Renault Zoe - Taking the EV Plunge...Can we change your opinion on electric cars? | Fifth Gear
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- Its time for a public test...We meet a driving instructor, who gets a Renault Zoe...will it be just as easy to teach in when it comes to mirror, signal, manoeuvre? We invite him to sample an EV for a few hours. Can we convert him to EV power? Can we dispel some of the myths, and put his minds at ease regarding range? And what cash could he save if they converted to the EV way of life.
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The "you could save" instead of "you will save" statement is exactly like playing the Lottery.
1. What are the costs of recharging at home vs quick charge (hint: massively different)
2. How much does it cost to replace the battery once is worn below a threshold?
3. What is the warranty on battery?
4. What is the resale value of a used EV?
1. True
2. The battery wil most likely outlast the car
3.8 years in most cases
4. Currently similar to a combustion engine vehicle and in future better, because less and less people will want the slower, noisier, dirtier, less reliable, more expensive alternative.
@@GordonMullanto be fair, used EV prices have junked over the past month or two.. which as a buyer, makes me very happy 😅
@@rbettsx All used prices have come down from the ridiculously inflated levels they were.
But EVs should drop faster because new prices are going to keep dropping, like any new technology
@@GordonMullanwell said 👏
Thanks Gordon I drive a Kona EV and if possible I'll never buy a fuel car ever.
Any upload of a new EV and you have in all countries and languages these EV criticizers . They are everywhere.
We've been running a 22kwh ZOE for the past 3 years and apart from a couple of coil springs, which is a testament to the quality of the roads, it's been perfect. It's now 9 years old and costs buttons to run
We have been using electric cars to provide automatic driving lessons for over 4 years. Our current electric Mini is very popular and it’s 140 miles range is more than adequate. Our instructor also takes the electric Mini on longer trips to the south of Wales and the north of England and plans to go even further.
Alan would be crazy to limit his market by offering auto only learning. Also, he can't reverse park for toffee! 😂
Auto lessons are more lucrative!
Its ancient just like the iphone 10...
I rather wait for the Renault 5
I feel about the same. If the car had just 100 more miles of range, it'd be fine. My car does about 320 miles of range and if I had 100 less (usually even less if you do highway driving), then it would make things complicated.
Why do u need 320 miles range PER DAY?
@@jamie1992ful imagine going for a road trip, and your short for time. You could either risk it and take an electric car and plan your recharge stops, or rent a car?
My friends and I do about 350 miles a day about 1-2 weekends a month, an electric car would make this just a bit more complicated than just having a fuel efficient gas car.
@@JoshL_76 u call it fuel efficient fuel car josh but in comparison to electric a full charge a yearly saving on fuel to electric is approx £1500 in petrol or diesel compared to £600 per year to run a electric, in regards to the 350 mile range u only doing that once every month am sure u could fit in a 30 min rest for a rapid charge ?
@@jamie1992ful there is some logic to your point, but I'm still waiting to find an electric car with the over 300 mile range that's visually appealing to me by looks and price 🤔
@@JoshL_76 that's fair to say, in that range area of 280-300+ u are looking at Tesla territory but they are considerably more pricey, u can get the mg 4 and 5 longe range versions that do 260-280 on a full charge me personally anything above 200+ is more than enough and I drive in my job from client to client as a care worker but I wouldnt be worried as long as I have 200 or more miles per day I would then go home and charge the car for the next morning, cheaper tariffs for electric normally start from midnight till about 5am and a full charge at home for 250 miles would cost about £8 off peak
Remember when this was a show for enthusiasts?
Shhhh...embrace propaganda and buy what the government tells you to.
Lost their way
But is the emergency services equipped to deal with lithium ion battery fires stemming from an accident?
How often does that happen considering the pyro fuses disable the HV system?
@lumicolour1 ask the fire service . You will be surprised. 500 in 5 years in London......
@@dashcam2417 Mercedes Benz electric car sales growing at similar pace to BYD EV sales!
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@@dashcam2417 Mercedes Benz electric car sales growing at similar pace to BYD EV sales!
The Electric Viking
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@@dashcam2417yes but not only zoe, it's for all electric car and bus. But yes it's a great danger, the electric fire lithium ARE UNCONTROLLABLE AND BRUTAL.
Stats say internal combustion engined vehicles catch fire 20x more than EVs. This is by proportion of vehicles on the road, so takes account of the smaller number of EVs. Other bargain benefits are that in the event of brake failure, the regen braking is almost 100% as effective, so an EV is useless for a Columbo-type episode where the main suspect or witness, mysteriously crashes of a mountainside road and their brake lines were cut! I particularly feel this is a great thing for lorries, so that’ll take time to feed through, but there have been tragedies avoidable if the lorries had either maintenance properly done, or were EV. Great proposition anyway, for an auto instructor. The higher price is justifiable because the benefits eg cheaper high-miles repairs etc, are felt very soon, a matter of months for a driving instructor. I cannot afford an EV that’s worth getting, but note many lease EVs are now coming to the used market, that are much improved on early cars. Take care all.
Nope not giving up ICE
It's ok, in 15 years time when everyone is driving around in these awful cars. The government will tell everyone that these cars are bad for the environment and everyone has to get rid of them, and the charge them a fortune for it😂. I wouldn't buy a French car in the first place due to dodgy electrics, Imagine the issues with a french electric car 😂
What’s your experience of EVs?
@@lumicolour1customer hit a pot hole in his Porsche which damaged the battery unit 24 thousand pounds plus fitting.
@@lumicolour1 plenty.... And they are useless..... For me anyway. No charging point at home...I can't. The charging points are either not working or constantly full. I was stuck in traffic on the way back from Dartford the other week. I saw about 4 cars on the hard shoulder. All were electric lol. And I really don't care what those idiots try and tell us... They really aren't good for the environment.
@@dashcam2417 Yes, Porsches are expensive to repair no matter the propulsion system.
@@lenny2918that's your view point on them because u can't have a home charger installed, and 4 EV cars on the hard shoulder? I call that bollocks pal
No
Not a chance can he acheive a minimum of 150 miles a day. My word, what a porkie.😂
I do between 120 and 200 miles a day in our EV.
I’m not an instructor or delivery driver but I don’t live in a city.
Suspect that 150 isn’t a porkie.
You are obcviously not a driving instructor. My reason for calling foul is based on the fact that no driving instructor does this kind of milage in one day. Unless he is on the road for around 10 hrs plus. Pupils can not learn much by racking up miles, they learn within towns and built up areas, encountering hazards to deal with.@@mootpoint974
They should release a smaller portable battery's for those unable to do a plug-in charge. Range is irrelevant, even a 30 mile radius would be surely better than petrol crap. Who cares for peoples opinions and range. Just force them to accept better tech.
Renault Zoe can’t see out the back of them when reversing
No not convinced!
Within 3 years they are predicted to outsell petrol. Of course it is. Give people a fair choice between petrol without all the regulations and ev and they will choose petrol.
So - when EVs are the same price or cheaper to buy, as well as already cheaper to run, and the charging infrastructure is expanded, and everyone knows multiple people who already own an EV, you seriously think people are still going to choose the noisier, dirtier, slower, less technologically advanced, more expensive option?
Yeah - think you might be wrong there.
The price of petrol is nowhere near the actual cost to the economy and the environment. Fuel duty hasn't been raised properly in a decade.
Except the elecrtic
fire the big problems for this car that's when you arrive at the end of the number of recharge, the car stop and it's finish.! You have to change them to keep riding and the battery pack is very expensive
How often do EVs catch fire vs fossil cars? Why would you need a new battery?
ICE CATCH FIRE MORE THAN EVs
@@24k__J how often do EVs catch fire vs fossil cars?
@@lumicolour1 It's the on-board computer that decides and when it says stop. recharging is impossible and only the battery pack changes, restarts the computer from zero it's not me but Renault and the chinese manufacturer who decide
@@ThePontiacgto65 What’s that got to do with the likelihood, or not, of catching fire?
I really cant see this working, electric nice idea, but Government forging ahead with ban of sale of petrol and diesel cars in 7 years but still no infrastructure for it, i live in a block of flats in a rural town the nearest charge point is supermarket car park 3 miles away and public transport is crap, i work 25 miles from where i work, it would take 2-3 buses and at least 2 hours each way daily adding 20 hrs a week onto my full time hours, its just not practical or achievable for me
You call 8,680 DC chargers (50-350kW) No infrastructure?
@@lumicolour1compared to fuel stations ?
@@dashcam2417 There are fewer liquid forecourts. I did of course leave out the 400,000 public AC charge points, 60,000 work place charge points and 500,000 home charge points.
EDF engery say 61 ,000 public charging points across the UK.
@@lumicolour1 really and you think that's adequate currently 840000 electric and ½ Millon plug in hybrids, with estimates by 2030 stating 11 million electric vehicles with only close to 9000 rapid chargers across the entire country most of which are in the south, no the infrastructure isn't there, there are 2 three miles from where I live and that's it 2 there are several more 10-15 miles from where I live, the are I live is predominantly terraced housing without driveway but on street parking so not allowed home chargers, but we can all queue for our vast infrastructure of 2 chargers average charge to 80% 30 minutes, how long will it take for all those that will need to charge to do so yet takes just 5 minutes to get a full tank of petrol and travel 500 miles, electric cars are not a viable option for the majority
Not a chance; ever! You buy one
When I can add 600 miles range in 5 minutes, I’ll give it a try.
How often do you drive 600 miles non-stop?
600 miles equates to about 12 hours driving in the UK.
Just what you need for your daily lands end to john o groats trip
@@meta0269 Yeah 600 miles falls short by 200 miles or so, not good enough. Where are the 1,000 mile cars eh?
@@lumicolour1 I do it about 5-10 times a year. But even if you did it only 1-5 times a year, you would have to get either a rental car, or risk going and hoping to find a charger on the way.
@@JoshL_76No need to hope - there are plenty of apps to help you plan a route with charging, and some (notably Tesla) have it built into the route planning.
Loads of people have done much longer journeys e.g. to the South of France, in EVs quite happily.
Pass your test in one of these and your limited to auto's.
Passed mine in auto never ever needed a manual
Sorry alan wouldn't b seen dead in it
You’d need a hearse then.
@@24k__J The thing is, fossil cars tend to go up pretty quickly because of the flammable liquid fuel, especially petrol which is a spirit which produces vapours. EVs don’t tend to so you’ll have more time to escape.
How many miles do you have to drive to break even on cost?
The new Vauxhall Corsa EV needs to be driven over 120,000 miles over 3 years before it breaks even with the petrol equivalent.
If you drive only short distances, like in an Zoe, you dont consume much gas.
If you dont consume much gas why drive a motorized shopping cart..?
A Zoe is one of the longer range vehicles on sale, especially in its class
@@GordonMullan I dont know what class you are looking at but to me trying to go 160 km winter time they are not good enough.
My tesla costs £8.60 for 300mls try that in a petrol or diesel yeah no answer to that?
@@tonyrobinson362 My brother in laws Model Y has costed him 20 grand in loss of value in a year.
No, you cannot change a normal person's opinion on electric cars. You're trying to sell them a worse product for more money to meet an arbitrary government mandate backed by no knowledge/evidence/experience/reality.
Anything is possible when you lie.
No knowledge/experience/reality - sounds like you're talking about yourself there
With a Tesla battery pack costing 17 thousand pounds and a porsche pack costing 24 thousand pounds .
No one will convert me to electric cars .
Do you look at the prices of new engines?
@lumicolour1 you repair the engine ,, not replace it as a whole unit when it goes wrong .
@@dashcam2417 Yes exactly. Same with batteries. They’re made up of cells contained in modules which are removable, so no need to replace the entire battery.
@@lumicolour1I think you will find a manufacturer dealer will only replace the pack as a whole. ASK TESLA .
@@dashcam2417 Nope, wrong again. Dealerships will and do repair them.
I'll just stick with my £1750 12 year old kia Rio thanks🎉
Sorry the numbers don’t add up , charging is now expensive and still time consuming , time is money if you want to go green keep your Petrol / Diesel car for 300,000 miles that’s what everyone does in Portugal UK has got to ditch the new car every few years mentality ..
Welcome to coal/gas powered vehicles.
Less than 2% of the UK’s grid is coal powered.
@@lumicolour1 might wanna check your 80% usage of coal powered facts again…
@@defaultdriftco00 Even on a pure coal grid, which only exists in a few nations, the emissions are below that of a fossil car. If we are to compare total emissions of electric vehicles on a “well to wheel” basis, then we must also include the 10-15 g/km for diesel and petrol extraction, transport and refining. All electricity grids in Europe are getting cleaner over time with additional renewable energy and this means EVs get cleaner as they get older, unlike fossil power vehicles. The battery itself is 95% recoverable and can be recycled in line with the legal requirements.
@@lumicolour1 not even true, dude. You already made false claims and still haven’t any clue how much is involved. Keep doing research, especially with fires, maintenance and longevity of the vehicles. The E waste. Not to mention they still produce almost as much particulate emissions from their brakes.
@@defaultdriftco00 Yup it is true. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s untrue. Even on a pure coal grid, which only exists in a few nations, the emissions are below that of a fossil car. If we are to compare total emissions of electric vehicles on a “well to wheel” basis, then we must also include the 10-15 g/km for diesel and petrol extraction, transport and refining. All electricity grids in Europe are getting cleaner over time with additional renewable energy and this means EVs get cleaner as they get older, unlike fossil power vehicles. The battery itself is 95% recoverable and can be recycled in line with the legal requirements. The way we produce and consume energy continues to evolve. People are already moving away from the grid and generating their own energy in their homes and businesses. Some energy providers also allow you to opt to use renewable energy. Common myths and conceptions are addressed by the National Grid here: ms.spr.ly/6186Tm7gK
Had the 17' long range Zoe, worst car of my life. Dumb, stup!d, id!otic. It was a nightmare. The only good thing is I sold it for a bit more a year later.
Why?