A trained eye can tell if a jockey is legit trying or fake trying, two very different styles and intensity levels. Adam Kirby is the easiest one to spot in this regard.
I am in Canada. In the early 90,s I was working at the track. I brought a horse over that was looking much the best...the jockey told me, as I was leading him out...we cannot beat the two. I knew we could and said we are much the best in here, again, he looked at me and said, I told you, we cannot beat the two, we will win the next one.....Sure enough, we ran second to the two. I was smart, bet the exactor and cashed large, we did in fact win the next one with the same rider.....fixed it...sure did.
dave wintle smelt the investigating team a mile of he was not a stupid man and he taught them a lesson at uttoxetor by getting the jockey to throw the race,horse trainers are not stupid thats why they are around longer than the punters
Yes, sir MP was the master of getting a horse to run down the field in sprints then amazingly it would be bet off the boards in a mile and a half race and win easily.
Anyone who knows anything about horse racing knows that this practice goes on. Trainers have been using 'tactics' to get a horse's handicap mark reduced since the system began - its common sense to be honest! If you know your racing and analyse form you will be astute enough to know when the practice is likely to happen i.e its on a mark it cannot win off, and racing in unfavourable conditions (going, course, distance etc). In addition, when at the races taking the time to scan the horse in the paddock will tell you whether its fit or not (flank tightness, coat condition etc). If you bet blindly without doing these things and don't use your head and common sense you have no one to blame but yourself if you lose a gamble.
OK so when I had a forecast accumulator in 90s I needed Bonny Melody and Summer Wind too finish in first 2 it looked a for gone conclusion until Bonny Melody's jockey stopped riding in last furlong 1st and 3rd 😮
Most of the protagonists here are now considered 'friends of the show' by those two clowns on ATR on a Friday night. Honestly, only in Brithish Racing, you really couldn't make it up.
The best example was when Paul Mulrennan became an Racing UK Ambassador. Osborne and his in-house jockey William Carson on the AW are a sight for sore eyes on the betting exchanges. Win and place nothing ever gets left behind.
In Australian racing slang, saying a horse is 'dead' means it isn't trying. This famous exchange between jockeys allegedly took place amongst the milling horse at the start of a race at Randwick in Sydney in February 1952 when the news of the King George VI's death had just come through. One jockey said to another, "Have you heard, King George is dead!?" The other jockey replied seriously, "No, who's riding him?" Probably apocryphal. Another racing pundit was asked if he'd back at horse at 15/1 on? He said, mate, I wouldn't take 15/1 on about the sun coming up tomorrow let alone a horse.
See it all the time in racing. Inaam the other night from the John Butler yard is a prime example. Last 5 starts beaten 13l 9l 12l 15l 5l... this a 7f horse... turns up and backed like it can't lose at Wolves Saturday night... wins by 3l on the snaff.
Remember back in 96 at a hurdle race for top hurdlers at the time there was a horse called Hard To Figure he was a 10 year old sprinter on the flat useful enough on the flat at 5-6 furlongs but here he was never jumped a hurdle in his life at 10 years of age in race in a race over hurdles at a distance of over 2miles against the top champion hurdle material horses!! he pulled up half way through always wondered why this horse was in this race and I think fixing or some scam had something to do with it he never raced over jumps again
None of this surprises me, it’s part and parcel of the game at a lower level, always has and always will be slightly bent, the only difference is that most of us who have had our fingers burnt in the past are now well aware of this. It will never change so adjust your betting accordingly... better still don’t ever bet on handicaps... simple
Richard Johnson the well know jockey,has been beaten on12 odds on favorites 1/5 0N 1/4 0N 1/7 0N 1/2 ON 8/15 0N 4/6 4/6 2/7 1/3 2/9 1/2 2/5 Things is he did it again the nexst year
He's the worst of the lot, the thing is everyone knows he s bent as fkuk, but if there not they won't become jockeys, it's how it is, i heard they look at people who want to become jockeys for at least 5 years to see if theyv got the temprement to be bent and cope with it, keep there system to themselves, if horses could talk they'd all be in jail.
@@terencetrentwatford.632 hi dave it means if you put 5 pounds on you win one plus your 5 back making it 6 pounds,a lot of these horses are false favourates,if you have never bet well my advice is dont and thank fuck all bookies are on lockdown as it will help more poor gamblers to quit and hopefully the bookies will go skint ,imagine you are an owner paying 400 pounds a week to keep a horse and it looks like no more racing till 2021 wow the joys of ownership lol
I had a share in a horse with Osborne. Our syndicate manager talked exactly the same crap that Jamie does in the video. We got a few places out of the horse and I stopped going to watch it run in the end. You only need to look at him using Timmy Murphy to know that he is still at it. It's a shame as he is obviously a good trainer as Toast of New York showed. The best thing to do with this yard is look at the jockey bookings. If he uses Spencer and Kirby they are trying, the others like Murphy you take the chance that you will do your money on a non trier.
Trying when Osbourne gets Kirby on like last week Kirby on Osbourne odds on fav and his in house jockey Costello on his second string wins hope karma kicks in with Osborne how does he look at himself in the mirror !!! mind you it will be an expensive mirror payed with punters cash !!!!
kirby and spencer trying?sweet jejus lol.wen osbourne books spencer he books him ona front runner and spencer a hold up jockey.as for kirby if he wasnt dirty he could bein a top class jockey.
@@aidanshaw826 - Jamie Spencer is actually a very good jockey from the front, when that is what he sets out to do. He;'s a jockey of extremes, and often makes the race tactics more complex than they need to be. But sometimes this does pay off, on a horse that wouldn;t have won otherwise.
@@mattylamb9194 i hear you bro,i dont think i have ever seen jamie ride from the front doh..9 times out off 10 he gets the fractions wrong on hold ups..looks fantastic when it comes off,but hate seeing horses given too much to do,when they are the best in race.
Fiddling a horses weight doesn't work as consistently as suggested. Wasting time and opportunity to set a horse for a race is risky with no guarantee. It's old hat for desperates to make a few quid of days gone by. $ others in your job race may be doing the same. However since 60's gradually more sophisticated elements arrive to help a horse win with S for sprints and E for staying makes prospects more likely to succeed. This story has holes in it and is very tin pot. Maybe one should be looking at what the untested distant handlers have been doing since the 60's with "champion" jumpers for prize and punt and top flat horses for stud. World wide. Money influences all sports.
Terry Hall its not hard if done properly,, for a kick off they need to learn a horses track strengths (a track like nottingham vs epsom etc), where it likes to sit, ground and most importantly what its winning mark is in relation to class/weight. This isnt something done in 4 weeks ffs, you cant just stick it in at 2 tracks and then wham the 3rd race 3 weeks later is a hack up job,, esp in a 16 runner handicap 😂😂😂😂 you use the 16 runner race to help with its decrease in mark.. you need to know how well in it is against its opponents aswell, so when the hack job is on a smaller field is better, say 8 runners. This program got shafted well and truly,, and it found fuck all truth out in how they do it.
It's not stopping a horse that counts it's having one that's good enough to stop that does. If he's that good and get spotted you'll get very little on before others jump on the band wagon. Overall if you have one that's good enough to stop you're better running on it's merits in the long run
No there's not. They're the same thing. Handicap marks are based on ability and if a horse is a non-trier then they are attempting to fix a future race in their favour.
Osborne retired young as a jockey because his name had become shit and not many trainers trusted him on their fancied horses. He must have had big gambling debts to pull up Large Action as no jockey would do that unless they had big money problems. Lots of his horses run in his own colours which is a sure sign that he don't have a trustworthy reputation nowadays either.
Some trainers train for people who can only have shares or who simply can't get their colors for some reasons. The trainer sort of lends them his colors.
Re Bet Fair it is ludicrous to set up a facility for connections to lay a non trier. By ridding that bet or the betting company these folk would use buddy bookies to marginally lay the horse at the track or office bookies hold singles and multiple bets with any of these fiddling horses included. But there again it's tin pot. Just enjoy the races, have a good feed, a couple of wines, fun with your buddies and bettingwise, randomly throw in a stoomer to hedge any iffy goings on. Its a wonderful sport and the skills of breeding, training, looking after, caring and then riding horses are a blessing. Many horses need a few races before they can perform at their best......get nigging injuries along the way as do soccer players and when everything is right on the day they do well.
By setting up this model, the bookmaker isnt the actual bookmaker, another punter is - so BetFair avoid the risk but see all of the information. If they can see a trainer is laying their horse, they know it cant win and will increase its price, to entice more punters not in the know) to back it. Thats where they win...
David Twohig loved the jockey pulling it up at uttox 😂😂 shafters shafted. They knew they were undercover and swingled them 😁. The media are scum anyway
It's not cheating .it's playing the system.owners and trainers are not in the game to please the punters .Good luck go everyone who manages to pull a stroke.
Yeah it's just like you say these are only the ones mentioned ,they all cheat one way or another we know that but us punters are hooked line n sinker hey 😂
No it went to the contact in Spain 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Plus Wintle took the training fees off these clowns n sold him a dodgy horse did Seatlle ally ever win a race ?
The logic is that if it’s so easy and profitable to fix races, there wouldn’t be any point in getting other people involved. It’s a good idea to pull up a lame horse before something catastrophic happens.
i think you've got to consider a few things here before going and saying its cheating in its purest essence. Every horse has its limitations in terms of handicap mark, once it realises that mark then winning off it is near enough impossible for most, unless something miraculous happens. The job of the trainer is to get them back to a 'winning mark', now as a punter - of which i am - you should recognise when a horse has got to a mark they cannot win off, the proceeding races you can expect to see the horse compete in races that aren't necessarily suitable for it - is this cheating? - No its not, if you're having a bet you should be analysing the form, this means checking whether a horse has its conditions i.e.. distance, going, track etc. To call someone a cheat because they work the system is wrong. Its not fixing it is simply using what you have in front of you to your advantage.
They are both cheats by their own words. You might not consider it as cheating but Osborne, Murphy and Wintle do according to the evidence of the film. Osborne himself described what he does as cheating. Ferdy Murphy was just as candid about stopping. his runners. I am not judging I am just putting the information out there so people who bet on the likes of Osborne know what they are risking their hard earned cash on!
In my opinion the punter should understand what they are gambling on - before they're all called cheats. Do you judge a football team for fielding lesser players, isn't that a form of non-trying, running a horse left handed when it wants right handed for the sake of it being right the next day is the same thing. All with another day in mind, same as other sports
Lesser ability does not equate to deliberately losing. Like I said handicap marks not relevant in a championship race at Cheltenham are they! All three of the crooked trainers are actually saying that they cheat. They admit that they are crooked. Osborne says it over and over again.
Of course it is cheating if a trainer sets a horse out not to win then what else can it be absolutely shocking all that shite about playing the system is bunkum
@@douglasbarr3319 A jockey must try for the best possible placing in the race, a trainer must place that horse in a race where it can have the best possible chance of "winning" or gaining a "place". All other reasons /systems are cheating and should be rewarded with long ban of many years, racing would be a lot straighter if several rule breakers were to be warned off in one given week.
How do they know that other trainers aren't doing the same, in the same race unless the is further collusion., therefore how can they be certain of the outcome. It's called gambolling.
Went into my local bookmakers in the days before Betfair and I was looking to back a horse owned my a local Businessman who I had a drink with now and then. Anyway as I was writing out my bet £20 on the nose a voice said " are you backing my bosses horse up at Sedgefield today"? yes I said, "Well don't, we are pulling him to aim for a better race in a few month's time". Pulling him I said, do you mean he's not going to win "YES THAT'S RIGHT". I still love a go on the horses but tend to keep my bets these days for the meetings they all try for like Cheltenham but even that is now under threat due to Betfair as a trainer well connected could make a fortune stopping his horse winning. I always wonder about people like Timeform who have to sell a formbook and Racecards to survive yet if people are not running horses as they should what's the point of buying a formbook?. Stick a pin in because you might have a better chance. I know one thing with this carry on and people having accounts closed if you dare to win or even look like you know what you are doing the sport is doomed. Shame really because looking back its been a wonderful game, now just a con.
Jim moore corruption is name of.the game pal and everyone knows that, horse racing is no different to any other sport, all fixed for money making purposes
Any buisness that runs of money, of course there is corruption a lot more that is being highlighted, the only time the jockey club or the bhb will act is when it comes to the public eye otherwise its dealt with behind closed doors.unfortunately the public who keep the industry going are not privy to any wrongdoings. The click within racing is like a old gentleman's club both arrogant and aloof. They dont want anyone outside the exclusive brand of racing knowing what's going on.
All the people slaging them off lol for fuck sake lads if they told you where to put your money you wouldnt be moning then would you. Fair play to to them at least they have the savvy to get a few quid.
Id bet any money when the trainer rang his pal to place the bet it never went on. He done the bbc for 1500 because he already knew they were undercover
This is why ! You can’t win on the horses ? It’s crooked and always will be ! Plotting them up till it’s time to lump on ? But you won’t know where or when ! So they make more backing losers ? Betfair my arse it’s punters getting ripped off again !
😮I make one observation which is that any one connected with racehorses especially the trainer who becomes involved in laying horse s has to become involved with other criminals as they are not allowed to do so, Therefore they risk both their freedom and livelihood,I not saying this doesn't happen but it is the road to ruin,
This is really terrible it should be not allowed to do it this is very wrong and no one can stop this going on it’s so very out of order the people who do this should not do this it’s very naughty to do this it should not be done to stop this horse when it can run very fast and win but it don’t win it not try to win when you want it to win it was not winning it is very bad I can’t win now they stopped it winning when it can win I am very unhappy with my horse it’s so bad
Hes not the worst though. Roy bowring is the worst when it comes to handicapped racing, and he wins it by a streak,, how the fuck does he have the money he has without being bent,, he has like 5 horses that are decent class 5 donkeys ffs haha. Ace Master,, that horse has been strangled more times than a tart in a low budget movie,, look at its races,, entered in a 1m3f race, then a 7f race, then a 1m2f race b4 bolting up in a 1m race.... dont tell they dont know that horses optimum trip,, they even had it out at 5f a couple of weeks back, despite it being outpaced at 6f previously,, how the fuck do they explain that away in a legit stewards room?,, good job they are bent aswell.
lol all u have to do is watch the horses out the back ,at say lingfield.the ones who came 7or 8 horses wide ,sling shot on the bend know ther horses cant win from there and burnt out half way the straight.karma is a bitch cuz now the high street bookies is fucked.this tape isnt as bad as the taped chat between paul mulrennan and martin dywer.its on u tube .sweet jejus.:)
Good video, don’t like the stupid circus music in the background. No need for it. More dramatic without it. The sport is riddled it’s a hopeless cause. Very interesting what goes on. Can’t say I’d do any different if I owned horses to be honest. Bad luck on the average joe but they are none the wiser to it, it’s not like it’s a recent trend. Some you win, some you lose.
I thought it was about the crass dishonesty of Osborne, Murphy and Wintle. You only have to look a little outside the box to see that they all have other indiscretions on their chargesheets. Unless you are new to the game you will know exactly what I am referencing.Last time I checked the champion hurdle wasn't a handicap!
community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30820679/kirby-osborne#flvWelcomeHeader No smoke without fire is there with Jamie. Is the jockey he's talking about in this Adam Kirby?
Its a classic this though lol,, the wankers pretending to be owners for the show buy a horse? And are in on its cheating the handicap? Knowing people have money on it?.... is that right?... a show about "cheats" becomes a cheat itself?... its hilarious hahaha. They all cheat, knowing that helps in either 2 things,, giving it up or knowing how to learn to work around it.
A trained eye can tell if a jockey is legit trying or fake trying, two very different styles and intensity levels. Adam Kirby is the easiest one to spot in this regard.
Wherever there is money, there is corruption. The more money, the more corruption.
Fact of life.
I am in Canada. In the early 90,s I was working at the track. I brought a horse over that was looking much the best...the jockey told me, as I was leading him out...we cannot beat the two. I knew we could and said we are much the best in here, again, he looked at me and said, I told you, we cannot beat the two, we will win the next one.....Sure enough, we ran second to the two. I was smart, bet the exactor and cashed large, we did in fact win the next one with the same rider.....fixed it...sure did.
Osborne cheated as a jockey so obviously will do the same as a trainer
The jockey club is guilty because you don't fine people that cheat, you ban them for life. You also send undercover baits frequently.
Reputation of racing 🤣
It's full of lying, cheating, corrupt, greedy, sciopaths from top to bottom.
Dave Wintle was The seller king.
do not bet in small prize races wait till the big races as the trainers all try for 100,000 pound plus races and follow the best trainers
if the game was straight we'd all be Millionaires..
Never heard as much shyte in all my life .
Correct
SIR MARK PRESCOTT THE MASTER AT PLAYING THE HANDICAP SYSTEM 😉
dave wintle smelt the investigating team a mile of he was not a stupid man and he taught them a lesson at uttoxetor by getting the jockey to throw the race,horse trainers are not stupid thats why they are around longer than the punters
@@johnbutler3654 I wonder if they gave Wintle the 750 ew in cash for him to put in on with his so-called Spanish contact pmsl
Your still taking a gamble at the end of the day you can't necessarily make a horse win a race
Yes, sir MP was the master of getting a horse to run down the field in sprints then amazingly it would be bet off the boards in a mile and a half race and win easily.
Yes but the bookies have caught on hence 6/4 for a horse whos form reads 00 lol
'please don't hit me.....ow!' gotta laugh.
Anyone who knows anything about horse racing knows that this practice goes on. Trainers have been using 'tactics' to get a horse's handicap mark reduced since the system began - its common sense to be honest! If you know your racing and analyse form you will be astute enough to know when the practice is likely to happen i.e its on a mark it cannot win off, and racing in unfavourable conditions (going, course, distance etc). In addition, when at the races taking the time to scan the horse in the paddock will tell you whether its fit or not (flank tightness, coat condition etc). If you bet blindly without doing these things and don't use your head and common sense you have no one to blame but yourself if you lose a gamble.
Exactly
And you will still do your money, in the long run if not short. Leave it alone kid.
OK so when I had a forecast accumulator in 90s I needed Bonny Melody and Summer Wind too finish in first 2 it looked a for gone conclusion until Bonny Melody's jockey stopped riding in last furlong 1st and 3rd 😮
Most of the protagonists here are now considered 'friends of the show' by those two clowns on ATR on a Friday night. Honestly, only in Brithish Racing, you really couldn't make it up.
The best example was when Paul Mulrennan became an Racing UK Ambassador. Osborne and his in-house jockey William Carson on the AW are a sight for sore eyes on the betting exchanges. Win and place nothing ever gets left behind.
Yes but Mr Tracksuit Dave is also a friend of the show remember on the line he was on it every Sunday
In Australian racing slang, saying a horse is 'dead' means it isn't trying.
This famous exchange between jockeys allegedly took place amongst the milling horse at the start of a race at Randwick in Sydney in February 1952 when the news of the King George VI's death had just come through.
One jockey said to another, "Have you heard, King George is dead!?" The other jockey replied seriously, "No, who's riding him?"
Probably apocryphal.
Another racing pundit was asked if he'd back at horse at 15/1 on? He said, mate, I wouldn't take 15/1 on about the sun coming up tomorrow let alone a horse.
In our local bookies Osborne and Bradley were thought of as the worst of the NH jockeys for fiddling. You couldn’t kid the old hands.
It's called good placing and having it right off .
See it all the time in racing. Inaam the other night from the John Butler yard is a prime example. Last 5 starts beaten 13l 9l 12l 15l 5l... this a 7f horse... turns up and backed like it can't lose at Wolves Saturday night... wins by 3l on the snaff.
Butler is defo a king at this!!!
@@deano007 he calls it re-handicapping. Dont back him today. He's being re-handicapped.
@@therebel4332 Yes if u know anything u know when to back J Butler it’s the same with Jim Goldie up here!
Looks like he has got the horses teeth as well
Excellent stuff Dave.
fuck off idiot...this was on tv...this clown only copied it
My brother worked at Osbornes stable & he said he was the biggest crook in the game as well as been a ponce & was a nasty piece of work.
I now know exactly how they do it
Mark Prescott is a sir.
jockey club biggest criminals in British sport the sport of kings
There are more honest men doing life in jail than all these trainers, jockeys, owners etc
Luke and Jason's 'friend of the show'.
Remember back in 96 at a hurdle race for top hurdlers at the time there was a horse called Hard To Figure he was a 10 year old sprinter on the flat useful enough on the flat at 5-6 furlongs but here he was never jumped a hurdle in his life at 10 years of age in race in a race over hurdles at a distance of over 2miles against the top champion hurdle material horses!! he pulled up half way through always wondered why this horse was in this race and I think fixing or some scam had something to do with it he never raced over jumps again
And your point is? Are you saying it wasn't trying? It went off at 33/1 and Betfair wasn't around. Who benefited?
Noel Wright did you ask for your money back?
Learn to use some punctuation.
None of this surprises me, it’s part and parcel of the game at a lower level, always has and always will be slightly bent, the only difference is that most of us who have had our fingers burnt in the past are now well aware of this. It will never change so adjust your betting accordingly... better still don’t ever bet on handicaps... simple
Richard Johnson the well know jockey,has been beaten on12 odds on favorites
1/5 0N
1/4 0N
1/7 0N
1/2 ON
8/15 0N
4/6
4/6
2/7
1/3
2/9
1/2
2/5
Things is he did it again the nexst year
He's the worst of the lot, the thing is everyone knows he s bent as fkuk, but if there not they won't become jockeys, it's how it is, i heard they look at people who want to become jockeys for at least 5 years to see if theyv got the temprement to be bent and cope with it, keep there system to themselves, if horses could talk they'd all be in jail.
1/5 ON
What the fuk does that mean ??
It's 1/5 or 5/1 ON
idiot .
@@terencetrentwatford.632 hi dave it means if you put 5 pounds on you win one plus your 5 back making it 6 pounds,a lot of these horses are false favourates,if you have never bet well my advice is dont and thank fuck all bookies are on lockdown as it will help more poor gamblers to quit and hopefully the bookies will go skint ,imagine you are an owner paying 400 pounds a week to keep a horse and it looks like no more racing till 2021 wow the joys of ownership lol
I'm bored . I need to bet at Catterick
If u back horses at they prices u are mental!
And still people bet when they have zero chance of winning !! Disgusting so called sport !!
I had a share in a horse with Osborne. Our syndicate manager talked exactly the same crap that Jamie does in the video. We got a few places out of the horse and I stopped going to watch it run in the end. You only need to look at him using Timmy Murphy to know that he is still at it. It's a shame as he is obviously a good trainer as Toast of New York showed. The best thing to do with this yard is look at the jockey bookings. If he uses Spencer and Kirby they are trying, the others like Murphy you take the chance that you will do your money on a non trier.
Trying when Osbourne gets Kirby on like last week Kirby on Osbourne odds on fav and his in house jockey Costello on his second string wins hope karma kicks in with Osborne how does he look at himself in the mirror !!! mind you it will be an expensive mirror payed with punters cash !!!!
kirby and spencer trying?sweet jejus lol.wen osbourne books spencer he books him ona front runner and spencer a hold up jockey.as for kirby if he wasnt dirty he could bein a top class jockey.
@@aidanshaw826 - Jamie Spencer is actually a very good jockey from the front, when that is what he sets out to do. He;'s a jockey of extremes, and often makes the race tactics more complex than they need to be. But sometimes this does pay off, on a horse that wouldn;t have won otherwise.
@@mattylamb9194 i hear you bro,i dont think i have ever seen jamie ride from the front doh..9 times out off 10 he gets the fractions wrong on hold ups..looks fantastic when it comes off,but hate seeing horses given too much to do,when they are the best in race.
This thing still on even now 2020 no one will stop them
At the end of the day , they have to fiddle , as the prize money in the uk is rubbish
Great video
Obviosly Wintle was conning they pricks a contact in Spain 😂😂😂
Running 1 mile 4 horses over six furlongs for a ‘lenient’ handicap mark.
Yet no one is chasing Prescott around racecourses.
Yes he is “the handicap king” while the plebs are cheats. Wintle seen this clown coming (a contact in Spain 😂😂
It's less a plot and more just his modus operandi. If you are backing Prescott horses in maidens you need your head looking at!
Fiddling a horses weight doesn't work as consistently as suggested. Wasting time and opportunity to set a horse for a race is risky with no guarantee. It's old hat for desperates to make a few quid of days gone by. $ others in your job race may be doing the same. However since 60's gradually more sophisticated elements arrive to help a horse win with S for sprints and E for staying makes prospects more likely to succeed. This story has holes in it and is very tin pot. Maybe one should be looking at what the untested distant handlers have been doing since the 60's with "champion" jumpers for prize and punt and top flat horses for stud. World wide. Money influences all sports.
Terry Hall its not hard if done properly,, for a kick off they need to learn a horses track strengths (a track like nottingham vs epsom etc), where it likes to sit, ground and most importantly what its winning mark is in relation to class/weight. This isnt something done in 4 weeks ffs, you cant just stick it in at 2 tracks and then wham the 3rd race 3 weeks later is a hack up job,, esp in a 16 runner handicap 😂😂😂😂 you use the 16 runner race to help with its decrease in mark.. you need to know how well in it is against its opponents aswell, so when the hack job is on a smaller field is better, say 8 runners. This program got shafted well and truly,, and it found fuck all truth out in how they do it.
£150 the Jockey gets just to sit on the horse.
Win or lose plus £500 to pull the horse not bad for 5mins work.
90% of jockeys are just about earning a living
All odds on again!
It's not stopping a horse that counts it's having one that's good enough to stop that does. If he's that good and get spotted you'll get very little on before others jump on the band wagon. Overall if you have one that's good enough to stop you're better running on it's merits in the long run
There's a difference between fixing a race and fixing a handicap mark be honest
I think that you need to watch the first part again mate!
No there's not. They're the same thing. Handicap marks are based on ability and if a horse is a non-trier then they are attempting to fix a future race in their favour.
BLOODY BAR LAMBS
@@TracksuitDave THAT IS THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. DOG SHIT EMPIRE
Been going dog racing for 30 years and it’s quite normal to hold dog 3-9 months then the gamble started we knew the dodgy trainers watch the money
We're is the low when you need them
At least barny curly never affected the public when he done the bookies rip curly
If u want to avoid this which goes on everywhere best to bet on the big money Saturday races!
Osborne retired young as a jockey because his name had become shit and not many trainers trusted him on their fancied horses. He must have had big gambling debts to pull up Large Action as no jockey would do that unless they had big money problems. Lots of his horses run in his own colours which is a sure sign that he don't have a trustworthy reputation nowadays either.
Some trainers train for people who can only have shares or who simply can't get their colors for some reasons. The trainer sort of lends them his colors.
Young Saffie gave Metior a peach of a ride in the Chester Cup I was on at 9s 👍
My Jockey The Great Sir Osbourne
He couldn't lay straight in bed
Does anyone know what happened to the horse? I see it never raced again - was it given a happy retirement to a field?
Re Bet Fair it is ludicrous to set up a facility for connections to lay a non trier. By ridding that bet or the betting company these folk would use buddy bookies to marginally lay the horse at the track or office bookies hold singles and multiple bets with any of these fiddling horses included. But there again it's tin pot. Just enjoy the races, have a good feed, a couple of wines, fun with your buddies and bettingwise, randomly throw in a stoomer to hedge any iffy goings on. Its a wonderful sport and the skills of breeding, training, looking after, caring and then riding horses are a blessing. Many horses need a few races before they can perform at their best......get nigging injuries along the way as do soccer players and when everything is right on the day they do well.
By setting up this model, the bookmaker isnt the actual bookmaker, another punter is - so BetFair avoid the risk but see all of the information. If they can see a trainer is laying their horse, they know it cant win and will increase its price, to entice more punters not in the know) to back it. Thats where they win...
Angle journalism at its finest
David Twohig loved the jockey pulling it up at uttox 😂😂 shafters shafted. They knew they were undercover and swingled them 😁. The media are scum anyway
WHY DO THAY THAT.
MONEY. MONEY. MONEY.
AND MORE MONEY
RIP OFF THE PUNTERS.
It's not cheating .it's playing the system.owners and trainers are not in the game to please the punters .Good luck go everyone who manages to pull a stroke.
oh yes it is cheating.
HORSE RACING DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT THE BETTING PUBLIC YOU "£~"££@$~##3'2£@
Yeah it's just like you say these are only the ones mentioned ,they all cheat one way or another we know that but us punters are hooked line n sinker hey 😂
If you KNOW the races are fixed and yet you still play, what does that tell the rest of us?
You should run for president of the US!
How else do you get a horses weight down? Trip,ground,course anyone who gambles and doesn’t see this should never be betting on horse racing
Hello TSD. An old pal from twitter (banned ffs).
Good afternoon
Another bent trainer , what's new , they are all at it only he was unlucky to be caught
Dave Wintle was brilliant dealing with a clueless Paul Kenyon
I bet your $750 e w bet went straight into the trainers pocket
That's a racing certainty.
No it went to the contact in Spain 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Plus Wintle took the training fees off these clowns n sold him a dodgy horse did Seatlle ally ever win a race ?
As if anyone wld bet Seattle ally anyway before he started at 6s. And every punter knows about Ferdy Murphy and when to back his horses.
I'm not sure why they called horse racing sport
A bookies jockey and con man not for the punter,
Your channel helping with my crap mood, cheers mate ❤️
Is that what you call it
the biggest gambling industry in the country, really? FBOT now dwarfs it
1.01 smashed
David Wintle is in his 60s n he decked that reporter by bending his fingers 😂😂😂
If it were so easy to fix races, trainers wouldn't need owners.
I don't get your logic?
It is not easy to fix races, but it is easy to pull up the jolly in the Champion Hurdle
The logic is that if it’s so easy and profitable to fix races, there wouldn’t be any point in getting other people involved. It’s a good idea to pull up a lame horse before something catastrophic happens.
Absolutely but it wasn't lame
Tracksuit Dave Er...yes he was. He came sound enough to run a couple more times without showing anything like his best form.
And the horse never ran again. The trainers must have closed ranks.
i think you've got to consider a few things here before going and saying its cheating in its purest essence. Every horse has its limitations in terms of handicap mark, once it realises that mark then winning off it is near enough impossible for most, unless something miraculous happens. The job of the trainer is to get them back to a 'winning mark', now as a punter - of which i am - you should recognise when a horse has got to a mark they cannot win off, the proceeding races you can expect to see the horse compete in races that aren't necessarily suitable for it - is this cheating? - No its not, if you're having a bet you should be analysing the form, this means checking whether a horse has its conditions i.e.. distance, going, track etc. To call someone a cheat because they work the system is wrong. Its not fixing it is simply using what you have in front of you to your advantage.
They are both cheats by their own words. You might not consider it as cheating but Osborne, Murphy and Wintle do according to the evidence of the film. Osborne himself described what he does as cheating. Ferdy Murphy was just as candid about stopping. his runners. I am not judging I am just putting the information out there so people who bet on the likes of Osborne know what they are risking their hard earned cash on!
In my opinion the punter should understand what they are gambling on - before they're all called cheats. Do you judge a football team for fielding lesser players, isn't that a form of non-trying, running a horse left handed when it wants right handed for the sake of it being right the next day is the same thing. All with another day in mind, same as other sports
Lesser ability does not equate to deliberately losing. Like I said handicap marks not relevant in a championship race at Cheltenham are they! All three of the crooked trainers are actually saying that they cheat. They admit that they are crooked. Osborne says it over and over again.
Of course it is cheating if a trainer sets a horse out not to win then what else can it be absolutely shocking all that shite about playing the system is bunkum
@@douglasbarr3319 A jockey must try for the best possible placing in the race, a trainer must place that horse in a race where it can have the best possible chance of "winning" or gaining a "place". All other reasons /systems are cheating and should be rewarded with long ban of many years, racing would be a lot straighter if several rule breakers were to be warned off in one given week.
How do they know that other trainers aren't doing the same, in the same race unless the is further collusion., therefore how can they be certain of the outcome. It's called gambolling.
Went into my local bookmakers in the days before Betfair and I was looking to back a horse owned my a local Businessman who I had a drink with now and then. Anyway as I was writing out my bet £20 on the nose a voice said " are you backing my bosses horse up at Sedgefield today"? yes I said, "Well don't, we are pulling him to aim for a better race in a few month's time". Pulling him I said, do you mean he's not going to win "YES THAT'S RIGHT". I still love a go on the horses but tend to keep my bets these days for the meetings they all try for like Cheltenham but even that is now under threat due to Betfair as a trainer well connected could make a fortune stopping his horse winning. I always wonder about people like Timeform who have to sell a formbook and Racecards to survive yet if people are not running horses as they should what's the point of buying a formbook?. Stick a pin in because you might have a better chance. I know one thing with this carry on and people having accounts closed if you dare to win or even look like you know what you are doing the sport is doomed. Shame really because looking back its been a wonderful game, now just a con.
Jim moore corruption is name of.the game pal and everyone knows that, horse racing is no different to any other sport, all fixed for money making purposes
Any buisness that runs of money, of course there is corruption a lot more that is being highlighted, the only time the jockey club or the bhb will act is when it comes to the public eye otherwise its dealt with behind closed doors.unfortunately the public who keep the industry going are not privy to any wrongdoings. The click within racing is like a old gentleman's club both arrogant and aloof. They dont want anyone outside the exclusive brand of racing knowing what's going on.
What has happened to them ? Are they warned off or still training ?
www.jamieosborne.com/
I used to have my own betting ......INSIDEEYE
Interesting video but the mumbling dialouge and grainy film spoil it
All the people slaging them off lol for fuck sake lads if they told you where to put your money you wouldnt be moning then would you. Fair play to to them at least they have the savvy to get a few quid.
What happened he didn’t win with the money on. You got rolled.
Horse racing so crooked !
Id bet any money when the trainer rang his pal to place the bet it never went on. He done the bbc for 1500 because he already knew they were undercover
Keep theys vids coming bent ppl . conman
Jockey Club rule 666 ..all dumb punters are our bread and butter.
666a unless her maj and pals.
Not a sound spot in horseracing everybody's St it.
This is why ! You can’t win on the horses ? It’s crooked and always will be ! Plotting them up till it’s time to lump on ? But you won’t know where or when ! So they make more backing losers ? Betfair my arse it’s punters getting ripped off again !
😮I make one observation which is that any one connected with racehorses especially the trainer who becomes involved in laying horse s has to become involved with other criminals as they are not allowed to do so, Therefore they risk both their freedom and livelihood,I not saying this doesn't happen but it is the road to ruin,
He couldn't train ivy up a wall, absolutely useless
They fixing horses but no one his doing something about it only panter they suffered
This is really terrible it should be not allowed to do it this is very wrong and no one can stop this going on it’s so very out of order the people who do this should not do this it’s very naughty to do this it should not be done to stop this horse when it can run very fast and win but it don’t win it not try to win when you want it to win it was not winning it is very bad I can’t win now they stopped it winning when it can win I am very unhappy with my horse it’s so bad
Greyhound racing the only pure form of racing,no cheat aboard.
Spin my head haha
Lol Greyhound racing is the most bent thing going. Makes Elton John look straight.
Mark Prescott has a knighthood.
its a hereditary knighthood
That doesn't mean hes not a crook
Who is the retired jockey?
@osbornejamie
Hes not the worst though. Roy bowring is the worst when it comes to handicapped racing, and he wins it by a streak,, how the fuck does he have the money he has without being bent,, he has like 5 horses that are decent class 5 donkeys ffs haha. Ace Master,, that horse has been strangled more times than a tart in a low budget movie,, look at its races,, entered in a 1m3f race, then a 7f race, then a 1m2f race b4 bolting up in a 1m race.... dont tell they dont know that horses optimum trip,, they even had it out at 5f a couple of weeks back, despite it being outpaced at 6f previously,, how the fuck do they explain that away in a legit stewards room?,, good job they are bent aswell.
lol all u have to do is watch the horses out the back ,at say lingfield.the ones who came 7or 8 horses wide ,sling shot on the bend know ther horses cant win from there and burnt out half way the straight.karma is a bitch cuz now the high street bookies is fucked.this tape isnt as bad as the taped chat between paul mulrennan and martin dywer.its on u tube .sweet jejus.:)
ferdy is fixing now in heaven :P
Good video, don’t like the stupid circus music in the background. No need for it. More dramatic without it. The sport is riddled it’s a hopeless cause. Very interesting what goes on. Can’t say I’d do any different if I owned horses to be honest. Bad luck on the average joe but they are none the wiser to it, it’s not like it’s a recent trend. Some you win, some you lose.
The music is stop the video from being taken down. Copyright claim prevention.
and having watched this video through, it is essentially just a video about this chap understanding the handicap system
I thought it was about the crass dishonesty of Osborne, Murphy and Wintle. You only have to look a little outside the box to see that they all have other indiscretions on their chargesheets. Unless you are new to the game you will know exactly what I am referencing.Last time I checked the champion hurdle wasn't a handicap!
Champion Hurdle isn't a handicap last time I checked!
osborne holy fuck is he still in racing? must be riding more than horses. bent as a 10 bob note
I'm not sure why they horse racing is sport Little man sitting on top off him betting him hhhhh
What a complete and utterly load of BS
community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30820679/kirby-osborne#flvWelcomeHeader No smoke without fire is there with Jamie. Is the jockey he's talking about in this Adam Kirby?
Its a classic this though lol,, the wankers pretending to be owners for the show buy a horse? And are in on its cheating the handicap? Knowing people have money on it?.... is that right?... a show about "cheats" becomes a cheat itself?... its hilarious hahaha. They all cheat, knowing that helps in either 2 things,, giving it up or knowing how to learn to work around it.
Shame
Brilliant Wintle saw these fools coming a mile off haha he didn't put there ew bet on Betfair straight in his pocket haha