Please check these links to see the original crossing equipment, as filmed by my good friend, Jamie's Rail Photography. Original Barriers: th-cam.com/video/jGEGVHzBSgM/w-d-xo.html Roshni Alarms: th-cam.com/video/9L4NXdMkP9E/w-d-xo.html
It made sense, seeing as you have footage of the original equipment, whereas I don't. I've done the same in the past with my lift videos, where other people have filmed lifts before a modernization and I've only got there afterwards,
Cool video! Interesting to see the operation of the 2nd Train warning system, perhaps the pedestrian crossing could be fitted with swing gates to make it safer?
As someone who both lives in Linden and works on the trains (I'm a train manager for the Wellington region passenger services, lol) it was disappointing but not surprising how many people jumped across at that crossing. Unfortunately the area around the Linden crossing is a rather infamous location for train fatalities, both accidental and not. To a certain extent it's impatience since double crossings are quite common especially during peak times, but it's still selfish and stupid to cross the track when there's a train approaching. Also about the automatic gates, I don't know how accurate this information is but I believe that after trialling the gates at Redwood and Tawa they're intending to add pedestrian gates at Linden as well. I'm not sure if or when, but I do hope it's something they include in the future! At the very least to stop all the near misses and collisions that happen here.
Yes it needs to happen there for sure! I'd also like to see the magnetic locks for the "emergency exit" gates (with a button to release them from the inside) brought in, which is used in Auckland. So many times I see people use the emergency gates to skip the lights, especially on the pedestrian crossing by Tawa Pool/Tawa College.
I lived in Linden (bottom of Woodman Drive) for the first ten years of my life, so know that level crossing quite well, although it's a bit different from how it was in the 1970s, with those new barrier arms and lights, not to mention the two-train warning system (is that still there today? - I see this video is from five years ago). Still, seeing this video feels like catching up with an old friend. My mother and I sometimes used to take the train from Linden into town (we also occasionally went on the Johnsonville line). In my late teens/early 20s, my paternal grandmother (who lived in Tawa) and I did a few train trips from Tawa to Paraparaumu and back (we were both rather fond of trains, and she used to give me the NZ Railway and Locomotive Society Calendar every Christmas; I continued to buy it in her honour until they sadly stopped producing it in about 2020).
I am absolutely sick of people jumping the Level Crossings. I agree with you on them being idiots. I like the 2nd Train warning system. Do you like it?
Nice job with the tripple train crossing, I have tried to get one of those on film and never got it. I really like the second train warning at this level crossing, It's just a shame most of the people from around there don't think it applys to them. This is (and always has been) the worst level crossing in the Wellington area for missuse!!! People have died here and they still haven't learned!!! The orignal second train warning system was installed here in the 70's and is the only example in Wellington. Christchurch has three level crossing currently with that system but they only have the light up signs. I am really hoping to film down there sometime soon.
The issue is likely because the people who do it are the locals who are familiar with the crossing, so they're used to it. I think most only went accross because they noticed how slowly the train was moving (not that it makes a difference when it hits you). Had it been a full-speed Express, I doubt as many would've gone. When the second train passed, the third was still at McLellan Street. I think that becuase it was going was slowly people assumed it was another stopping train, when it wasn't.
Another problem with this level crossing is that it can be active for a whole 2-3 minutes, The system is great for expresses, But this is a very poor design for stopping trains, For south bound trains, The trigger for the second train warning is as far back as the new overpass for the Transmission Gully turn off on the other side of Kenepuru station, That means if a train is going over McLellan Street and the other train is pulling into Kenepuru station, The warning comes on even though the second train is stopping or is stopped. So as you saw, People don't like waiting that long time (Even though by law they should).
This is an issue that pertains to most crossings on this line through. The only crossing that aren't impacted by being next to stations are Redwood (due to the staggered platforms) and McKay's, becuase it's nowhere near a flaming station and possibly Waikenae, as i think that's far enough back that trains in the platform don't trigger it. Linden is definitely the worst one though. This crossing went down at least 2-3 other times whilst I was there that I didn't film, and I was only there for 25 minutes. It must have been going down every 3-5 minutes!
@@the_alex_ellis_channel6923 Yes that sounds about right, I'm pretty sure I counted the same when I filmed there... It has a lot of rail traffic at that time of day.
Now THAT is an epic capture! Damn Tawa people like to take risks! That train must have been getting quite close as the last few stragglers crossed the tracks. I'd give em a reasonable blast on the horn if that was me. That sign sure is hard to see during the day. Perhaps sometime in the future they might upgrade it with LED's, using them to form the letters like with the Train Coming signs at stations such as plimmerton.
The third train was running at an unusually low speed, as it was stuck behind the all-stopper (which was held up due to the freighter in front of it). Still doesn't excuse it though.
Actually in Minneapolis, MN there are similar systems for the light rail system. Many major crossings have "ANOTHER TRAIN COMING" lights and a more urgent tone is played. Most ATC equipment is supplied by TAPCO.
The old gate mechanisms look really old! Nearly all of those that are left of that type in the US are in museums. The taller lights make them more visible at windsheild height! 10:11 I thought there would never be a 3rd train here because there are two tracks and trains aren't that frequent! Probably the rarest scenario with this crossing equipment! Although this 2nd train coming system is of a unique desing, I've seen 2nd train coming lights in Denver. Also, the British E2S alarm has a similar 2nd train voice announcement! 11:05 so that's why this 2nd train system was never used elsewhere!
There's still a few crossing's around with the Griswold barrier's, however they are gradually being replaced with the new WCH ones. Have a look at some of my other videos for more NZ Level Crossing equipment. There's a few other channels out there too, if you just search for NZ Level crossing videos. You'll find that nearly all of our equipment comes from the USA. After Griswold went bust, Kiwirail switched to Western-Cullen Hayes. There's also a few Safetran type 3 E-Bells around (but very rare). The older crossings in my area (Wellington) are not going to survive too much longer. As one of the busiest rail networks in the country (due to having a commuter rail network), our crossings often activate more times per hour than many others in rural areas do per day!
They don't run on trip switches, it's a current shunt, the locomotive axel bridges the two rails together to make a circuit that triggers a computer that calculates the resistance changes to when to trigger the alarms
I believe that all major cities around the country that have 2 track level crossings should have the “another train coming” warning and sign in place as well as automated gates that close when the crossing is active and there shouldn’t be a manual “emergency exit” gate (because that would make the automated gates useless) Edit: dang, those WCH barrier arms are noisy especially @7:51
I know Spath level crossing did use the exact same lights, I'd be interested to know where else did. Later designs of level crossing over there used diffident versions of it.
One time in the states I was watching trains (not filming unfortunately) I was at a crossing where there are only 2 tracks, the gates went down and I saw 2 trains go by. The gates didn’t go up. I witnessed the super rare event of 5 trains going by in one activation. I do really like your triple catch as well.
That's amazing! Was the crossing fully automated, or one controlled by a signalman? Would be especially awesome if automated, less so if under manual control.
The trains were all MTS Trolley light rail trains if you’ve heard of that. The crossing there has 3 tracks but I said 2 because only 2 are used by light rail. The third is used by BNSF Railway’s freight trains. BNSF also has a yard down there. The crossing I saw this at was the Front St. railroad crossing in San Diego, CA.
What is the first word spoken by the automatic announcement. Is it a local dialect word In the UK we do not have that warning. Here people are just as mad as there taking their lives in their hands
Yes it is, it is "Whakarongo" a Te Reo Maori word meaning Listen, or Attention. Still unsure exactly why they needed to do it. I'm all for cultural recognition, but why should a life-safety device use a word most people don't know.
Each city which has commuter rail lines in the United States operates their lines differently. In Denver, where I lived, they don't install any kind of warning for the pedestrians crossing the light rail tracks to get to the platform. I guess they figure that we're adults and can decide to cross the level crossing or not. The light rail drivers are very cognizant of this, so they move the trains slowly until they pass the commuter level crossing. Now street level crossings are treated with a very high degree of safety. First, the crossing is a four quadrant gate crossing so vehicles cannot go around the gates. A few of the street level crossings have a concrete median which serves the same purpose. There have been very few light rail/pedestrian accidents, but more light rail/vehicle accidents, especially downtown where the crossings are not guarded at all, and the trains are treated as just another vehicle which has to stop on the red traffic signal and go on the green.
3rd Train: *Coming* Alarm Status: Louder Than Crossing 95% Of People: Ignore And Go Across 5% Of People : Wait You Idiots 95% Of People Again: The Train Is Far Away 5% Of People Again Also: It's An Express 5% Of People : So??? 95% Of People : It Can Kill You
The warning itself is only in English, but the very first word, "whakarongo" is the Te Reo Maori word for "Listen" or "Attention". Though the word has other uses to, being also the name of a suburb of Palmerston North.
All stops from Porirua in the afternoon peak all stops to Porirua morning peak. Some trains stop there in peak hour at off peak and weekends all trains stop there
The word is "Whakarongo", which is the Te Reo Maori word for "Listen"........in Te Reo, the "wh" makes a "f" sound, so you would say this word as "Fa-ka-rongo".
I can't deny it: I would've just walked across between the two trains, the second train was so far away. I must be an idiot. They need to put gates in or build a pedestrian overpass for people like me and al those other idiots...
That stupid driver has crossed that level crossing when there was a train approaching and some stupid people crossed it when there was an express train approaching that was dangerous. If someone fell over on the train tracks and there was a train coming they can easily get crushed and end up in hospital. Those stupid people have to wait before they cross. That was very dangerous
In Me There Is A Sign Saying "Stop Your Car Train Is Coming Stop, Look, And Listen" In Vietnamese Which Is "Dừng Lại Quan Sat Tao Xin Qua Khong Sat" My Name Is Vietnam
I think *^just maybe^* they should put automatic pedestrian gates. Then again people will just use those emergency exit gates. What I think they should do is put emergency callpoints that open the gate for 15 seconds, but they are in a place where you can be safe from the tracks, but not so misusing morons can reach over and press them.
Awesome Video! Greetings from the US! I see your country uses alot of crossing equipment from the US! I think thats pretty cool Check out some of my videos when you can, you might like what i got!
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Please check these links to see the original crossing equipment, as filmed by my good friend, Jamie's Rail Photography.
Original Barriers: th-cam.com/video/jGEGVHzBSgM/w-d-xo.html
Roshni Alarms: th-cam.com/video/9L4NXdMkP9E/w-d-xo.html
Also thank you so much for the shout outs!!! 😃
It made sense, seeing as you have footage of the original equipment, whereas I don't. I've done the same in the past with my lift videos, where other people have filmed lifts before a modernization and I've only got there afterwards,
*activates the unbreakable western cullen hayce electronic bell *
@TrainMan2190 Yes, since making this video, Jamie stopped making videos and privated everything..
There are many Linden towns in Canada, USA, and Australia.
That crossing warning works really well. All those people really took notice.
"Another train is approaching, DO NOT CROSS
That one person: *crosses the train tracks with train approaching*
94% Of People : Follow The Leeder Now!!!!
I will stop that
Cool video! Interesting to see the operation of the 2nd Train warning system, perhaps the pedestrian crossing could be fitted with swing gates to make it safer?
1:48 A Red Light Flashing At The Crossing = An Absolute Stop Respect The Highway Code My Name Is France
As someone who both lives in Linden and works on the trains (I'm a train manager for the Wellington region passenger services, lol) it was disappointing but not surprising how many people jumped across at that crossing. Unfortunately the area around the Linden crossing is a rather infamous location for train fatalities, both accidental and not. To a certain extent it's impatience since double crossings are quite common especially during peak times, but it's still selfish and stupid to cross the track when there's a train approaching.
Also about the automatic gates, I don't know how accurate this information is but I believe that after trialling the gates at Redwood and Tawa they're intending to add pedestrian gates at Linden as well. I'm not sure if or when, but I do hope it's something they include in the future! At the very least to stop all the near misses and collisions that happen here.
Yes it needs to happen there for sure! I'd also like to see the magnetic locks for the "emergency exit" gates (with a button to release them from the inside) brought in, which is used in Auckland. So many times I see people use the emergency gates to skip the lights, especially on the pedestrian crossing by Tawa Pool/Tawa College.
I lived in Linden (bottom of Woodman Drive) for the first ten years of my life, so know that level crossing quite well, although it's a bit different from how it was in the 1970s, with those new barrier arms and lights, not to mention the two-train warning system (is that still there today? - I see this video is from five years ago). Still, seeing this video feels like catching up with an old friend. My mother and I sometimes used to take the train from Linden into town (we also occasionally went on the Johnsonville line). In my late teens/early 20s, my paternal grandmother (who lived in Tawa) and I did a few train trips from Tawa to Paraparaumu and back (we were both rather fond of trains, and she used to give me the NZ Railway and Locomotive Society Calendar every Christmas; I continued to buy it in her honour until they sadly stopped producing it in about 2020).
I am absolutely sick of people jumping the Level Crossings. I agree with you on them being idiots. I like the 2nd Train warning system. Do you like it?
Nice job with the tripple train crossing, I have tried to get one of those on film and never got it. I really like the second train warning at this level crossing, It's just a shame most of the people from around there don't think it applys to them. This is (and always has been) the worst level crossing in the Wellington area for missuse!!! People have died here and they still haven't learned!!! The orignal second train warning system was installed here in the 70's and is the only example in Wellington. Christchurch has three level crossing currently with that system but they only have the light up signs. I am really hoping to film down there sometime soon.
The issue is likely because the people who do it are the locals who are familiar with the crossing, so they're used to it. I think most only went accross because they noticed how slowly the train was moving (not that it makes a difference when it hits you). Had it been a full-speed Express, I doubt as many would've gone. When the second train passed, the third was still at McLellan Street. I think that becuase it was going was slowly people assumed it was another stopping train, when it wasn't.
Another problem with this level crossing is that it can be active for a whole 2-3 minutes, The system is great for expresses, But this is a very poor design for stopping trains, For south bound trains, The trigger for the second train warning is as far back as the new overpass for the Transmission Gully turn off on the other side of Kenepuru station, That means if a train is going over McLellan Street and the other train is pulling into Kenepuru station, The warning comes on even though the second train is stopping or is stopped. So as you saw, People don't like waiting that long time (Even though by law they should).
This is an issue that pertains to most crossings on this line through. The only crossing that aren't impacted by being next to stations are Redwood (due to the staggered platforms) and McKay's, becuase it's nowhere near a flaming station and possibly Waikenae, as i think that's far enough back that trains in the platform don't trigger it.
Linden is definitely the worst one though. This crossing went down at least 2-3 other times whilst I was there that I didn't film, and I was only there for 25 minutes. It must have been going down every 3-5 minutes!
@@the_alex_ellis_channel6923 Yes that sounds about right, I'm pretty sure I counted the same when I filmed there... It has a lot of rail traffic at that time of day.
I think that the pedestrians crossing needs a gate
Amazing! Im american, so nice to see some WCH E-Bells over there!
They are fitted to like 90-95% of our Crossings now.
@@the_alex_ellis_channel6923 I can tell from your videos lol. Good job!
Now THAT is an epic capture! Damn Tawa people like to take risks! That train must have been getting quite close as the last few stragglers crossed the tracks. I'd give em a reasonable blast on the horn if that was me. That sign sure is hard to see during the day. Perhaps sometime in the future they might upgrade it with LED's, using them to form the letters like with the Train Coming signs at stations such as plimmerton.
The third train was running at an unusually low speed, as it was stuck behind the all-stopper (which was held up due to the freighter in front of it). Still doesn't excuse it though.
I like how your train stuff is different than ours in the states. I would love to film that crossing for my channel
Actually in Minneapolis, MN there are similar systems for the light rail system. Many major crossings have "ANOTHER TRAIN COMING" lights and a more urgent tone is played. Most ATC equipment is supplied by TAPCO.
So actually here in America, some crossings have a system similar to this. New Jersey Transit has one of these systems at their grade crossings.
And this is why we need barriers for footpath crossings too and not just car crossings
The old gate mechanisms look really old! Nearly all of those that are left of that type in the US are in museums. The taller lights make them more visible at windsheild height!
10:11 I thought there would never be a 3rd train here because there are two tracks and trains aren't that frequent! Probably the rarest scenario with this crossing equipment!
Although this 2nd train coming system is of a unique desing, I've seen 2nd train coming lights in Denver. Also, the British E2S alarm has a similar 2nd train voice announcement!
11:05 so that's why this 2nd train system was never used elsewhere!
There's still a few crossing's around with the Griswold barrier's, however they are gradually being replaced with the new WCH ones. Have a look at some of my other videos for more NZ Level Crossing equipment. There's a few other channels out there too, if you just search for NZ Level crossing videos.
You'll find that nearly all of our equipment comes from the USA. After Griswold went bust, Kiwirail switched to Western-Cullen Hayes. There's also a few Safetran type 3 E-Bells around (but very rare).
The older crossings in my area (Wellington) are not going to survive too much longer. As one of the busiest rail networks in the country (due to having a commuter rail network), our crossings often activate more times per hour than many others in rural areas do per day!
They should probably Upgrade that 2nd train light to Red LEDs because when this video was shot the thing was almost impossible to see
Great job buddy I saw a triple train race
I’ve just caught my own triple catch on video! I just uploaded it yesterday!
They don't run on trip switches, it's a current shunt, the locomotive axel bridges the two rails together to make a circuit that triggers a computer that calculates the resistance changes to when to trigger the alarms
I believe that all major cities around the country that have 2 track level crossings should have the “another train coming” warning and sign in place as well as automated gates that close when the crossing is active and there shouldn’t be a manual “emergency exit” gate (because that would make the automated gates useless)
Edit: dang, those WCH barrier arms are noisy especially @7:51
You must have filmed at linden yesterday because those DL locos I filmed yesterday on a different freight train
Yes I did.
@NZREngine Which freight was this, Train 212 or 220??
How frequent do the trains pass through this location
They should repair the second train sign in use for deaf people.
It is still in use.
They sound and look just like ours here in America. But other countries interest me down to the last detail! Even railroad crossings!
I love the western Cullin haze ebell sound
Great video!
5:31
This signal was used on UK level crossings, but they were all removed which is a shame.
I know Spath level crossing did use the exact same lights, I'd be interested to know where else did. Later designs of level crossing over there used diffident versions of it.
Someone needs to put Pedestrian gates here, Maybe even Quad gates
Awesome video keep it on
One time in the states I was watching trains (not filming unfortunately) I was at a crossing where there are only 2 tracks, the gates went down and I saw 2 trains go by. The gates didn’t go up. I witnessed the super rare event of 5 trains going by in one activation. I do really like your triple catch as well.
That's amazing! Was the crossing fully automated, or one controlled by a signalman? Would be especially awesome if automated, less so if under manual control.
Automatic
The trains were all MTS Trolley light rail trains if you’ve heard of that. The crossing there has 3 tracks but I said 2 because only 2 are used by light rail. The third is used by BNSF Railway’s freight trains. BNSF also has a yard down there. The crossing I saw this at was the Front St. railroad crossing in San Diego, CA.
What is the first word spoken by the automatic announcement. Is it a local dialect word In the UK we do not have that warning. Here people are just as mad as there taking their lives in their hands
Yes it is, it is "Whakarongo" a Te Reo Maori word meaning Listen, or Attention. Still unsure exactly why they needed to do it. I'm all for cultural recognition, but why should a life-safety device use a word most people don't know.
Each city which has commuter rail lines in the United States operates their lines differently. In Denver, where I lived, they don't install any kind of warning for the pedestrians crossing the light rail tracks to get to the platform. I guess they figure that we're adults and can decide to cross the level crossing or not. The light rail drivers are very cognizant of this, so they move the trains slowly until they pass the commuter level crossing. Now street level crossings are treated with a very high degree of safety. First, the crossing is a four quadrant gate crossing so vehicles cannot go around the gates. A few of the street level crossings have a concrete median which serves the same purpose. There have been very few light rail/pedestrian accidents, but more light rail/vehicle accidents, especially downtown where the crossings are not guarded at all, and the trains are treated as just another vehicle which has to stop on the red traffic signal and go on the green.
3rd Train: *Coming*
Alarm Status: Louder Than Crossing
95% Of People: Ignore And Go Across
5% Of People : Wait You Idiots
95% Of People Again: The Train Is Far Away
5% Of People Again Also: It's An Express
5% Of People : So???
95% Of People : It Can Kill You
Is the train warning alarm saying it in mari and English.
The warning itself is only in English, but the very first word, "whakarongo" is the Te Reo Maori word for "Listen" or "Attention". Though the word has other uses to, being also the name of a suburb of Palmerston North.
This one has to be my favorite because it looks like American
All level crossings in New Zealand have American Equipment.
Where does the express get a chance to pass the all stops train on this line though???
All stops from Porirua in the afternoon peak all stops to Porirua morning peak. Some trains stop there in peak hour at off peak and weekends all trains stop there
Is it fine if i use the another train coming alarm for a game for a video i will give credits
@@ThatOneBusGuy25YT nope
@@the_alex_ellis_channel6923 oh ok
What is Buckarolo
The word is "Whakarongo", which is the Te Reo Maori word for "Listen"........in Te Reo, the "wh" makes a "f" sound, so you would say this word as "Fa-ka-rongo".
Wait till he sees how bad people act when it comes to railroad crossings in America
1:47 and 11:01 in my country that's so common
Express coming through
This is an opposite of NJ railroad crossings there are less idiots but still there are some
I always see people crossing groups and groups of kids crossing
Where is this?×
It's in the title of the video, dipstick.
I can't deny it: I would've just walked across between the two trains, the second train was so far away. I must be an idiot. They need to put gates in or build a pedestrian overpass for people like me and al those other idiots...
What is Muckarolo
"Whakarongo" is the Te Reo Maori word for "Listen"........in Te Reo, the "wh" makes a "f" sound, so you would say this word as "Fa-ka-rongo".
That stupid driver has crossed that level crossing when there was a train approaching and some stupid people crossed it when there was an express train approaching that was dangerous. If someone fell over on the train tracks and there was a train coming they can easily get crushed and end up in hospital. Those stupid people have to wait before they cross. That was very dangerous
In Me There Is A Sign Saying "Stop Your Car Train Is Coming Stop, Look, And Listen" In Vietnamese Which Is "Dừng Lại Quan Sat Tao Xin Qua Khong Sat" My Name Is Vietnam
Is the train crossing second train sound horde make to make that static after warning second train approaching do not cross then static static static
2:36: *(forgot to add "gates" between the 2 words "crossing", and "goes", sorry about that!)*
Literally no one calls them gates in NZ.
I think *^just maybe^* they should put automatic pedestrian gates. Then again people will just use those emergency exit gates. What I think they should do is put emergency callpoints that open the gate for 15 seconds, but they are in a place where you can be safe from the tracks, but not so misusing morons can reach over and press them.
Some Idiots Never Stop Their Buses, Cars, And Motorcycles At The Crossings At level crossings, slow down!
Awesome Video! Greetings from the US!
I see your country uses alot of crossing equipment from the US! I think thats pretty cool
Check out some of my videos when you can, you might like what i got!
Type 4!
5:00 K3LA?
No idea what you're talking about.
The_ALEX_ELLIS_Channel he’s talking about a train horn. K3LA is a train horn.
Yes sir
That’s unacceptable
film thier faces and post it on local pages, then edit in near miss video clips and shame them
Good thinking in dear i think the people don't always wait.
10:23 Darwinism failing to act.
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