I got a chance to see the Kudoke 1 and 2 in person at the Watchbuys Roadshow in NYC back in the December. The Kudoke 2 was one of the main reasons why I went. Stunning watch.
Great vid Bill. These sure are works of art. I like the more traditional dress watch with the Kaliber 1 movement because I am a sucker for a hand wind movement. Even though the prices are more than I can afford they really are not as much as I would think that craftmanship of this caliber "no pun intended" would cost. Thanks again Bill for these nice 5 minute tidbits of great content. Brian.
NSsomething, the next steps will be most important. He's trying to get the YOURwerk up and running where he's taking individual design orders. The one he has on his site is called, "White Elephant" and I'm wondering what direction that will take too. Cheers, Bill
Bill, so pleasantly surprised for your video about Kudoke. I was similarly drawn to the Kudoke 2 and now working on obtaining one later this year with a few personal touches. The watchmaker and his business partner/wife seem like lovely people. Keep the great videos coming!
Joseph, what personal touches are you having added? I too like the Kudoke 2 and came very close to getting it, but got the H. Moser instead. Kindest regards, Bill
@@watchartsci Bill, your new H. Moser is stunning, congrats! For the Kudoke 2, I'm just planning on a different dial color and skeletonizing the bridge plate--since it's in Kudoke's wheelhouse and what he was best known for prior to the GPHG, why not? And I have you to thank in no small measure. As a novice collector, it was watching your videos that encouraged me to reach out to watchmakers whom I'd like to get to know and work with (budget permitting). Kudos to you, Bill. Enjoy your new watch in good health and fair weather!
Bill, I think the Kudoke 1 and Kudoke 2 use the Habring2 A11 with Kudoke enhancements and embellishments. The A11 is highly serviceable because it is modeled on one of the ETA movements that lapses into the public domain and for the further reason that Habring2 goes out of their way to make sure that their in-house movements can be serviced anywhere in the world where there is a competent watchmaker. The part of Kudoke’s watch output that still interest me are his skeltonized and elaborately decorated ETA movements which I call pictorials with the face of the watch essentially telling a story or at least a visual narrative. One reference is called Black Beauty and another is Oktopus. These are pretty amazing works of horological art and run from about $5500 to $10,000. I would be keen to own one. You can see them on the Watchbuys website or on Martin Pulli’s website. Cheers.
Howard, I don't think Kudoke used an A11 and called it "Kaliber 1." The Harbrings have won too many GPHG awards for the judges to be unfamiliar with the A11 called by another name, and I doubt that he would have won the Petite Aiguille Prize were he to use the A11 and not an original movement. As for the ETA "modeling," the main aspects of ETAs that are used are the dimensions so that watchmakers can use the movement simply swapping it in where an ETA used to go. Martin Pulli is where I got my Felix ... great guy. Cheers, Bill
On the treadmill. Looked at sjxwatches.com 2018 0302 The story covers Kudoke’s. new movement and states it shares component parts in common with the A11. This suggests to me that his base is the A11 with enhancements.
Forbin, I believe it is pronounced Koo-DOUGH-Kay ...that's what I heard on the German translation audio ... with my hearing ... who knows what it is. Cheers, Bill
Very artistic, but very germanic deign. I really like his watches definitely a name to look for in the future. What do you think is the biggest issue with small watchmakers that hand made watches, is it the fear that the service would be challenging in the future? Thanks, Bill for the great video.
Abdul, those who fear the unusual will never be happy. Certain people should buy only "safe watches" with designs that will neither inspire nor offend. Take care, Bill
This is an important concern and drawback of small indies. Kudoke, for their part, are building a for sales and service network. For instance, US customers can have their Kudoke serviced at RGM.
Hi Hugo, I like Kudoke just fine-cannot afford to buy every watch I like... but looking at Rolf Lang Dresden and what new may be coming from Marco Lang. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci he came across my radar several months ago. the only thing i was concerned with was that some of his pics on his website did not do the finish any justice. definitely going to discuss picking up a piece or two for my personal use if we can come to an agreement on price. i was born in germany and follow watch making there very closely.
There’s something odd about this movement and what it is based on. According to him it’s based on some old English pocket watch movement ( mimicking or inspiration ). But there are many similarities with Habring2 A11 movement which was based on Valjour 7550 due to various logical explanation the habring2 couple had. Kudoke is putting more effort on polishing and engraving than inventing or creating movements. Could be due to high costs of movement creation and years of hard work and budget. He hasn’t been that clear about he movements. I know for skeletons he uses ETA 6XXX like Berzinger but don’t know ETA supplies parts or movements to them anymore.
Hi Amatrice, the A11 is a bit more complex than just "based on the Valjoux 7750." [not 7550] The wheelwork was 7750-based, but as the A11 evolved, there wasn't a lot left of the Valjoux even though the origins were certainly from that wheelwork, but not the escapement, hairspring/balance and the keyless works. It appears as though the Habrings have adopted an établissage system based on a certain area of Austria, Germany and Switzerland (D=Deuchland; A= Austria; CH=Switzerland-"DACH region") That same system is used by Daniel Roth making these fabulous [and expensive] watches in Switzerland. Re-read this section by Richard Habring and that will give you a better idea. www.habring2.com/index.php/en/294-faqs1/495-what-s-the-story-behind-the-a11. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Hi Bill. You are correct. I was trying to point out that their idea was based on having a movement similar to Valjour at the beginning for parts replacement as ETA wasn't going to supply them anymore to them ( according to his presentation at the HSNY). I wish Kudoke had explained his movement and what exactly is different and where the parts are coming from in detail rather than just talking about polishing and engraving in his presentation video. Unless there's a document or presentation somewhere that i'm not aware of. Dornbluth and sohn has grabbed my attention a lot more than Kudoke.
You know, Ivan, I've found a lot of German watchmakers acknowledgements to John Harrison and his marine chronometer development that helped solve the problem of calculating longitude at sea. Rolf Lang also credits Harrison. Cheers, Bill
Absolute Watch Royalty! Mind blowing! Thank you so much for bringing into our world.
Hey Paul, I'm glad you like it. Kindest regards, Bill
Thanks for bringing that to our attention!
Hey Erik, it's the kind of watch I thought you'd like! Cheers, Bill
WatchArtSci absolutely! Thanks again
I got a chance to see the Kudoke 1 and 2 in person at the Watchbuys Roadshow in NYC back in the December. The Kudoke 2 was one of the main reasons why I went. Stunning watch.
It is beautiful Bobby, and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I wonder how much longer that will last... Cheers, Bill
Intriguing gentleman, thanx Bill! 👍🥃
It's a challenge, Bubba, going off on your own that way. I really respect that! Cheers, Bill
Wow! A hidden gem!
There's one for you, Nowshed! Take care, Bill
Great vid Bill. These sure are works of art. I like the more traditional dress watch with the Kaliber 1 movement because I am a sucker for a hand wind movement. Even though the prices are more than I can afford they really are not as much as I would think that craftmanship of this caliber "no pun intended" would cost. Thanks again Bill for these nice 5 minute tidbits of great content. Brian.
Well Brian, sometimes 5 minutes is all the time any of us can spare. Glad you like them and that Kaliber 1 is on my radar too. Cheers, Bill
Great video Bill. Very cool and interesting watches.
Hey Bruce! Thanks man! He's not too from Rolf Lang Dresden! Cheers, Bill
I remain intrigued with Stefan Kudoke's watches. It will be interesting to see where he takes his brand in the future.
NSsomething, the next steps will be most important. He's trying to get the YOURwerk up and running where he's taking individual design orders. The one he has on his site is called, "White Elephant" and I'm wondering what direction that will take too. Cheers, Bill
Bill, so pleasantly surprised for your video about Kudoke. I was similarly drawn to the Kudoke 2 and now working on obtaining one later this year with a few personal touches. The watchmaker and his business partner/wife seem like lovely people. Keep the great videos coming!
Joseph, what personal touches are you having added? I too like the Kudoke 2 and came very close to getting it, but got the H. Moser instead. Kindest regards, Bill
@@watchartsci Bill, your new H. Moser is stunning, congrats! For the Kudoke 2, I'm just planning on a different dial color and skeletonizing the bridge plate--since it's in Kudoke's wheelhouse and what he was best known for prior to the GPHG, why not? And I have you to thank in no small measure. As a novice collector, it was watching your videos that encouraged me to reach out to watchmakers whom I'd like to get to know and work with (budget permitting). Kudos to you, Bill. Enjoy your new watch in good health and fair weather!
Have been close to get a Kudoke 1; will keep following their novelties in the future 😁
Same Leya. I wonder what direction Stefan will take? Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci Just received an email from Marco Lang, but it's also co-signed by Ev Kudoke. Maybe they will have a collaboration?
@@leyay7540 Wow! That is big news Leya! What did you learn about what Marco Lang is doing? Thanks, Bill
@@watchartsci So far only this www.marcolangwatches.com
Bill, I think the Kudoke 1 and Kudoke 2 use the Habring2 A11 with Kudoke enhancements and embellishments. The A11 is highly serviceable because it is modeled on one of the ETA movements that lapses into the public domain and for the further reason that Habring2 goes out of their way to make sure that their in-house movements can be serviced anywhere in the world where there is a competent watchmaker. The part of Kudoke’s watch output that still interest me are his skeltonized and elaborately decorated ETA movements which I call pictorials with the face of the watch essentially telling a story or at least a visual narrative. One reference is called Black Beauty and another is Oktopus. These are pretty amazing works of horological art and run from about $5500 to $10,000. I would be keen to own one. You can see them on the Watchbuys website or on Martin Pulli’s website. Cheers.
Howard, I don't think Kudoke used an A11 and called it "Kaliber 1." The Harbrings have won too many GPHG awards for the judges to be unfamiliar with the A11 called by another name, and I doubt that he would have won the Petite Aiguille Prize were he to use the A11 and not an original movement. As for the ETA "modeling," the main aspects of ETAs that are used are the dimensions so that watchmakers can use the movement simply swapping it in where an ETA used to go. Martin Pulli is where I got my Felix ... great guy. Cheers, Bill
Check it out. I think that Kudoke was the first third party A11 customer. I’ll see if I can pinpoint my source and share it with you.
@@watchartsci hi Bill, Stefan Kudoke himself says the Kaliber 1 is based on a Habring movement. Maybe it's just the base plate or pin locations?
On the treadmill. Looked at sjxwatches.com 2018 0302 The story covers Kudoke’s. new movement and states it shares component parts in common with the A11. This suggests to me that his base is the A11 with enhancements.
And A11 has the same base arrangements as the 7750.
Hi Bill, Wish you a happy 2023 and good health. When you have time, can you talk about Krayon watches please?
Will do Eugene! Happy New Year, 🥳 Bill
@@watchartsci Thank you Bill.
May I say Okey Dokey Ku-DO-key ? The hands on the White Flower are beautiful and different.
Forbin, I believe it is pronounced Koo-DOUGH-Kay ...that's what I heard on the German translation audio ... with my hearing ... who knows what it is. Cheers, Bill
Very artistic, but very germanic deign. I really like his watches definitely a name to look for in the future.
What do you think is the biggest issue with small watchmakers that hand made watches, is it the fear that the service would be challenging in the future?
Thanks, Bill for the great video.
Abdul, those who fear the unusual will never be happy. Certain people should buy only "safe watches" with designs that will neither inspire nor offend. Take care, Bill
This is an important concern and drawback of small indies. Kudoke, for their part, are building a for sales and service network. For instance, US customers can have their Kudoke serviced at RGM.
Awesome video, definitely lovely watches. Why didn’t you buy the kudoke 2? What about it didn’t you like?
Hi Hugo, I like Kudoke just fine-cannot afford to buy every watch I like... but looking at Rolf Lang Dresden and what new may be coming from Marco Lang. Take care, Bill
How in the world are these watches not 3-5 times the price? Unbelievable
People are willing to pay that much Daniele ... that's all there is to it. Take care, Bill
Nice video mate !
Hey Tim, thanks man! Cheers, Bill
very nice watches..
Nice of you to say...cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci he came across my radar several months ago. the only thing i was concerned with was that some of his pics on his website did not do the finish any justice. definitely going to discuss picking up a piece or two for my personal use if we can come to an agreement on price. i was born in germany and follow watch making there very closely.
Good video Bill.
As always, it's my pleasure! Cheers, Bill
7k for a handmade watch is a good price. Tempted, but aesthetically it is a bit coarse.
Well Kuglepen, 7k is a lot of money; so one would need to choose wisely. Take care, bill
There’s something odd about this movement and what it is based on. According to him it’s based on some old English pocket watch movement ( mimicking or inspiration ). But there are many similarities with Habring2 A11 movement which was based on Valjour 7550 due to various logical explanation the habring2 couple had. Kudoke is putting more effort on polishing and engraving than inventing or creating movements. Could be due to high costs of movement creation and years of hard work and budget. He hasn’t been that clear about he movements. I know for skeletons he uses ETA 6XXX like Berzinger but don’t know ETA supplies parts or movements to them anymore.
Hi Amatrice, the A11 is a bit more complex than just "based on the Valjoux 7750." [not 7550] The wheelwork was 7750-based, but as the A11 evolved, there wasn't a lot left of the Valjoux even though the origins were certainly from that wheelwork, but not the escapement, hairspring/balance and the keyless works. It appears as though the Habrings have adopted an établissage system based on a certain area of Austria, Germany and Switzerland (D=Deuchland; A= Austria; CH=Switzerland-"DACH region") That same system is used by Daniel Roth making these fabulous [and expensive] watches in Switzerland. Re-read this section by Richard Habring and that will give you a better idea. www.habring2.com/index.php/en/294-faqs1/495-what-s-the-story-behind-the-a11. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
@@watchartsci Hi Bill. You are correct. I was trying to point out that their idea was based on having a movement similar to Valjour at the beginning for parts replacement as ETA wasn't going to supply them anymore to them ( according to his presentation at the HSNY). I wish Kudoke had explained his movement and what exactly is different and where the parts are coming from in detail rather than just talking about polishing and engraving in his presentation video. Unless there's a document or presentation somewhere that i'm not aware of. Dornbluth and sohn has grabbed my attention a lot more than Kudoke.
Well if only I have the money.
Yep, Tippy ... that's true for us all. Take care, Bill
A return to grassroots watchmaking.
Hey Ivan, that's exactly what it is! Well said! Cheers, Bill
WatchArtSci quite a nice nod to English watchmaking practices.
You know, Ivan, I've found a lot of German watchmakers acknowledgements to John Harrison and his marine chronometer development that helped solve the problem of calculating longitude at sea. Rolf Lang also credits Harrison. Cheers, Bill