This was a really interesting video but video games for me are a inspiration for creativity but yeah I can see that now video games tend to shove politics down our throat and that can get annoying fast.
There is a fundamental issue in your stance. (and I don't care what you think of me) While videogames can easily be an escape, without people playing them solely for the escapism. The same way Sporting events are escapism, and the popular shows. They have to be an escape from our 'reality', an outlet... else we'd have just more themed reality shows. the way you argue the point is counter productive & damaging. It's not demeaning to video games, so much as it's another way to claim the world of x game, or X show, or X event is in no way tethered to your day to day, and you can enjoy it for what it is. There is a FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE between. 'Videogames being an escape' & ' Videogames being X persons personal escape'.. One is unhealthy, the other is fact. Escaping isn't fear, nor running away. It is when you aren't hiding from life to the detriment of it, a very healthy outlet. Alcohol isn't negative into it self, and has very legitimate uses when not abused and used to just 'have fun' without making sure that you & others will be safe. While smoking is nothing more then a mental effect, the nicotine & tobacco actually have legitimate uses as well. indulging within Excess is bad nevermind the medium, but it's not the fault of the medium, and it's not the fault of escapism, and pretending it's a blanket bad thing and being an armchair phycologist and blatently telling someone advice that could as easily destroy them as help. No one 'escapes' without reason, and while facing reality has to be done to touch in again and heal, you'd be a blatent idiot for stepping outside the sheltered cave as the storms rip across the land infront of the entry, and not letting some recovery happen allowing to face it. I'd prefer RL politics shove right into the abyss instead of my games. Games while having complicated mechanics shouldn't bare the complicated reality dynamics unless designed to. (I love sad & fucked up games.. with those exploring dark subjects as enjoyable thought experiments)
I agree with pretty much all of this. Reality TV never has and never will actually reflect reality. it is a shitty genre of TV shows. You start talking about excess near the end. That is not something I talk about in the vid. Basically, we agree. I just used "escape" to, in context, mean "leaving the real world because of fear or discomfort in order to find momentary happiness". you argue for a different definition, which is fair. I could have been more specific.
I talked about 'Excess' because that's the factor, that makes enjoying a game a separate activity from one who does it to 'escape from reality' in the truly unhealthy way. The problem is 'a lot of times' that you take simplistic views on things, and this time you ignored the key factor or two.. You can make anything 'dangerous' and deadly if you've enough of it to the exclusion of other things. -You can get 'water poisoned', which is effectively drinking enough in a short enough people to actively flush out enough stuff in the body without replacing what's lost. -Any food eaten solely will lead to malnutrition & some of those can have live long effects. This is why 'blanket' statements like 'Games as escapism are bad', & 'Just get up and face reality' without knowing what a situation is or what a vague word like 'escapism' is for that person. Though I will say that the majority of the time when 'political BS' is complained about, that it's the hamfisted shit, and honestly even a full team whom agree on a subject matter will screw it up. [Like putting transgender characters into a high magic setting of D&D, because representation. Try to think why that's utterly retarded concept] The vast amount of the problem is... they want their representation of 'this reality' regardless the facts of the game world, or even if the Player characters would ever see those things for w/e reason. The end game of such logic is destructive... as those types are NEVER satisfied.. and even if they had a perfect mythical representation (which would require forcing creative types to only create characters to fill a quota, and effectively create a market for being able to create or release games that is controlled by some 3rd party to them for some reason outside the game, and that's not addressing retrofitting games to be acceptable either, which is what they would do as well) and it'd always be 'something'. You really might want to think about the phrase "leaving the real world because of fear or discomfort in order to find momentary happiness", as this alone will apply to almost anything... That 5 minute radio/stream song, The Cup of coffee in the morning that lets you pretend you aren't in a rush, any given 'nap', any given use of painkillers. It's a very broad take, and is VERY dangerous.. Humans are very good at 'finding comfort' with small things (most likely if we weren't we'd be dead & killing ourselves when our existence only brings us pain, or we end up being very destructive to our self & others). Finding happiness momentarily, is what humans do. It's complicated, it's dangerous, & it's pretty much necessary for our species to not burn out & react very poorly to everything.
i can agree that anything, in excess, can be dangerous. but that certainly does not make everything equal. just because water can poisen you doesnt mean it is as poisonous as bleach. alcohol is far more dangerous than video games, but video games are more dangerous than a cup of coffee with a friend you havnt seen in a while. your final paragraph is exactly what i am talking about. not dangerous, true. If you need to escape from a bad breakup or a death in the family or something then do that. But escape, in the way i described it, is almost never beneficial.
Funny though, I never said coffee/drink with your friends, nor did I suggest that water was more deadly then bleach or alcohol. I pointed out how excess can take even the most needed things and turn them poisonous. The problem with your view is that.. saying that something is more dangerous then another thing requires qualifiers? that drink in the bottle isn't going to shit if it sits there, nor will it kill someone who is healthy & doesn't take risks with it. You are pretending there is a blanket statement.. There is not.. They are all tools of a kind, and any tool disrespected can end up in a bad way. I would argue common things like butter knifes & forks are far deadlier then a video game when misused. A fork can cause physical injury against another person who doesn't wish to do anything. The same when alcohol (or any other substance) is misused in riskier situations (like driving, or in control of some equipment that can cause injury easily) The problem is that you are blanket statement making. You don't understand my point. I doubt you could without some serious thought & reflection. though a starter on it would be that those actions like many others, that easily can get out of hand if taken to excess are as vital as moving forward. That you do not understand the nature of pain or those whom suffer. That while as simple as 'go forward' is, it's never as easy as all that. It's not an excuse, it's the very nature of coping and panning a media because someone calls it an escape improperly is poor form. That misunderstanding what escapism is, when not in full force self destruction is not the fault of the medium. If you truly understand it, then you'll know how utterly wrong you come off, and dangerous it is to put it so simply and allow those whom want to change & harm the medium to have more ammo & use your words against you, and twist what you say because you clearly can not communicate in fine enough language where others can not twist what you say. (Ya I have little respect for anyone who isn't able to see past blanket statements & the irony of that isn't lost on me, nor on how 'unpopular' I am when it comes to some views) In short.. you used far to simplistic language to communicate a very complicated idea and it comes off as condescending and insulting to those in need, while insulting to those whom do it just because, along with missing the fact that it's not the medium at fault for the escapism, nor will it ever likely be, and pretending to know what someone means by escapism and suddenly judge them for being extremely unhealthy isn't good for your pov either. Doing something is only wrong when you have something deemed more important, or it is violating some morality... and I'm curious who is in charge of others lives so they can decide what's healthy activities for that person socially, or is it a moral panic & justification? when is 'escaping' ones surroundings mentally bad.. Is it because others demand you address reality? Is it that they don't follow what you decide to be good? See the problems here?? anything can be good or bad, anything can kill or save a life, who gets to blanket blame & say what is good or bad for you.. I'd say certainly not a biased Christian gamer who'd take choices away from others because they feel it shouldn't be. I'd leave in to those whom bother studying the utterly complicated & dangerous minefield that is the human condition. Everything has it's place, and far to often we have those whom forget their place and demand others place match theirs for many a reason.
This was a really interesting video but video games for me are a inspiration for creativity but yeah I can see that now video games tend to shove politics down our throat and that can get annoying fast.
an "inspiration" is an excellent use for video games! A+
There is a fundamental issue in your stance. (and I don't care what you think of me)
While videogames can easily be an escape, without people playing them solely for the escapism. The same way Sporting events are escapism, and the popular shows.
They have to be an escape from our 'reality', an outlet... else we'd have just more themed reality shows.
the way you argue the point is counter productive & damaging. It's not demeaning to video games, so much as it's another way to claim the world of x game, or X show, or X event is in no way tethered to your day to day, and you can enjoy it for what it is.
There is a FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE between. 'Videogames being an escape' & ' Videogames being X persons personal escape'.. One is unhealthy, the other is fact.
Escaping isn't fear, nor running away. It is when you aren't hiding from life to the detriment of it, a very healthy outlet.
Alcohol isn't negative into it self, and has very legitimate uses when not abused and used to just 'have fun' without making sure that you & others will be safe. While smoking is nothing more then a mental effect, the nicotine & tobacco actually have legitimate uses as well.
indulging within Excess is bad nevermind the medium, but it's not the fault of the medium, and it's not the fault of escapism, and pretending it's a blanket bad thing and being an armchair phycologist and blatently telling someone advice that could as easily destroy them as help. No one 'escapes' without reason, and while facing reality has to be done to touch in again and heal, you'd be a blatent idiot for stepping outside the sheltered cave as the storms rip across the land infront of the entry, and not letting some recovery happen allowing to face it.
I'd prefer RL politics shove right into the abyss instead of my games. Games while having complicated mechanics shouldn't bare the complicated reality dynamics unless designed to. (I love sad & fucked up games.. with those exploring dark subjects as enjoyable thought experiments)
I agree with pretty much all of this.
Reality TV never has and never will actually reflect reality. it is a shitty genre of TV shows.
You start talking about excess near the end. That is not something I talk about in the vid.
Basically, we agree. I just used "escape" to, in context, mean "leaving the real world because of fear or discomfort in order to find momentary happiness". you argue for a different definition, which is fair. I could have been more specific.
I talked about 'Excess' because that's the factor, that makes enjoying a game a separate activity from one who does it to 'escape from reality' in the truly unhealthy way.
The problem is 'a lot of times' that you take simplistic views on things, and this time you ignored the key factor or two.. You can make anything 'dangerous' and deadly if you've enough of it to the exclusion of other things.
-You can get 'water poisoned', which is effectively drinking enough in a short enough people to actively flush out enough stuff in the body without replacing what's lost.
-Any food eaten solely will lead to malnutrition & some of those can have live long effects.
This is why 'blanket' statements like 'Games as escapism are bad', & 'Just get up and face reality' without knowing what a situation is or what a vague word like 'escapism' is for that person.
Though I will say that the majority of the time when 'political BS' is complained about, that it's the hamfisted shit, and honestly even a full team whom agree on a subject matter will screw it up. [Like putting transgender characters into a high magic setting of D&D, because representation. Try to think why that's utterly retarded concept] The vast amount of the problem is... they want their representation of 'this reality' regardless the facts of the game world, or even if the Player characters would ever see those things for w/e reason. The end game of such logic is destructive... as those types are NEVER satisfied.. and even if they had a perfect mythical representation (which would require forcing creative types to only create characters to fill a quota, and effectively create a market for being able to create or release games that is controlled by some 3rd party to them for some reason outside the game, and that's not addressing retrofitting games to be acceptable either, which is what they would do as well) and it'd always be 'something'.
You really might want to think about the phrase "leaving the real world because of fear or discomfort in order to find momentary happiness", as this alone will apply to almost anything... That 5 minute radio/stream song, The Cup of coffee in the morning that lets you pretend you aren't in a rush, any given 'nap', any given use of painkillers. It's a very broad take, and is VERY dangerous.. Humans are very good at 'finding comfort' with small things (most likely if we weren't we'd be dead & killing ourselves when our existence only brings us pain, or we end up being very destructive to our self & others). Finding happiness momentarily, is what humans do. It's complicated, it's dangerous, & it's pretty much necessary for our species to not burn out & react very poorly to everything.
i can agree that anything, in excess, can be dangerous. but that certainly does not make everything equal. just because water can poisen you doesnt mean it is as poisonous as bleach. alcohol is far more dangerous than video games, but video games are more dangerous than a cup of coffee with a friend you havnt seen in a while.
your final paragraph is exactly what i am talking about. not dangerous, true. If you need to escape from a bad breakup or a death in the family or something then do that. But escape, in the way i described it, is almost never beneficial.
Funny though, I never said coffee/drink with your friends, nor did I suggest that water was more deadly then bleach or alcohol. I pointed out how excess can take even the most needed things and turn them poisonous.
The problem with your view is that.. saying that something is more dangerous then another thing requires qualifiers? that drink in the bottle isn't going to shit if it sits there, nor will it kill someone who is healthy & doesn't take risks with it. You are pretending there is a blanket statement.. There is not.. They are all tools of a kind, and any tool disrespected can end up in a bad way.
I would argue common things like butter knifes & forks are far deadlier then a video game when misused. A fork can cause physical injury against another person who doesn't wish to do anything. The same when alcohol (or any other substance) is misused in riskier situations (like driving, or in control of some equipment that can cause injury easily)
The problem is that you are blanket statement making. You don't understand my point. I doubt you could without some serious thought & reflection. though a starter on it would be that those actions like many others, that easily can get out of hand if taken to excess are as vital as moving forward. That you do not understand the nature of pain or those whom suffer. That while as simple as 'go forward' is, it's never as easy as all that. It's not an excuse, it's the very nature of coping and panning a media because someone calls it an escape improperly is poor form. That misunderstanding what escapism is, when not in full force self destruction is not the fault of the medium.
If you truly understand it, then you'll know how utterly wrong you come off, and dangerous it is to put it so simply and allow those whom want to change & harm the medium to have more ammo & use your words against you, and twist what you say because you clearly can not communicate in fine enough language where others can not twist what you say. (Ya I have little respect for anyone who isn't able to see past blanket statements & the irony of that isn't lost on me, nor on how 'unpopular' I am when it comes to some views)
In short.. you used far to simplistic language to communicate a very complicated idea and it comes off as condescending and insulting to those in need, while insulting to those whom do it just because, along with missing the fact that it's not the medium at fault for the escapism, nor will it ever likely be, and pretending to know what someone means by escapism and suddenly judge them for being extremely unhealthy isn't good for your pov either.
Doing something is only wrong when you have something deemed more important, or it is violating some morality... and I'm curious who is in charge of others lives so they can decide what's healthy activities for that person socially, or is it a moral panic & justification? when is 'escaping' ones surroundings mentally bad.. Is it because others demand you address reality? Is it that they don't follow what you decide to be good? See the problems here?? anything can be good or bad, anything can kill or save a life, who gets to blanket blame & say what is good or bad for you.. I'd say certainly not a biased Christian gamer who'd take choices away from others because they feel it shouldn't be. I'd leave in to those whom bother studying the utterly complicated & dangerous minefield that is the human condition. Everything has it's place, and far to often we have those whom forget their place and demand others place match theirs for many a reason.