That kit is huge! I am continually amazed by your skills and more importantly, your patience. I am so appreciative of the pointers, the problem solving, and optimism that you continually bring to the modeling community. Thanks Lou!
This video was helpful when I built my Valley Forge earlier this year. I opted for purchasing the domes and structural length of the ship, made the center section out of sheet plastic and 3d printed almost everything else, so it was not as heavy.
Easily one of the funnest episodes yet! I had a great time watching this tonight and I agree 100% that it isn't a great movie, but one heck of a ship design. Can't wait till next week. Stay safe and healthy! #justiceforlouie.
Bruce Derne, Silent Running,Hughie, Dewie and Lewis. Also the Valley Forge guests in the original Battlestar Galactica. Great days good stories. Great to revisit on these long dull days.
Nice looking kit of the Valley Forge!! I liked Silent Running and Bruce Dern back in the day and his efforts to save the plants. I also liked Huey, Dewey and Louie. They kind of look like R2 units in a way. The scale of this kit is nice to show a lot of structural details. Great looking paint job so far Lou. I see someone else mentioned it but I too thought of the Cygnus from the Black Hole. Must be a girder thing. Looking forward to the next episode!!!
Very happy to see you doing a Valley Forge build Lou. You have been doing some classic subjects lately, especially the Nautilus a few weeks ago and now the Valley Forge from Silent Running. Enjoying the video a great deal.
Truly an impressive model of one of the best spaceship designs in movie science fictions to date. If only they had added rocket engines. I look forward to watching the rest of this series. Can't wait to see how you handle the biodomes.
An amazing amount of work for one week. It’s looking great and the colour of the girders is fantastic (would make for a beautiful Red Dwarf base). Stay safe Lou, and thanks for the vids :)
Wow! I didn't know there was even a model of this out there. You have way more patience than I would with such a kit. It's looking awesome already though. Looking forward to your build of this beast.
That is the most gorgeous model kit I have ever seen. Don't feel bad about the blue domes, I was thinking the exact same thing until you explained about the backing film.
Loved it as a kid, but it hasn't aged well and oh lord the Joan Baez music, definitely a product of the '70s. I did get a chance to see one of the domes along with the Dark Star model at the Equicon convention of 73 or 74. The grid on the domes was copper wire with beads at the vertices.
Psyched to watch this build. I got to work with Doug Trumbull a couple of years ago, he exec- produced our movie ( I was the prop maker ), and he was really nice, quite an impressive mind. It was surreal getting to visit his studio after growing up idolizing his films.
About ten minutes in it strikes me how much that (how much does it weigh?) double-wedge greeblie-covered main hull section resembles the general design flavor of Star Wars, particularly the wedges on the Consular ship at the beginning of Episode IV. Then I recalled that Silent Running came out *five years BEFORE* Star Wars. (Thank you George Trumbull!) If I was going to build that model to keep I might think about either making a vacuform copy of the main hull (or scratchbuilding a hollow styrene copy) with slices of the resin block inside to align the tubes. EDIT: Part of what made the movie so awful was the ridiculously tight budget and the even more ridiculously tight shooting schedule that only allowed one or two takes per scene. Think about that for a minute. No time to refine dialogue or characterization, no time to remind Dern that he was playing a human instead of a robot, no time to pick better music, no time to plug the plot holes... It's definitely better with the sound muted. And yes, #justiceforLouie
This is also my favorite Science Fiction Film from that era. I wonder which version it will be. Details kinda changed during filming. Look close and you'll notice. Especially after it was damaged in the middle of production by the 1970 earthquake (6.5) here in Los Angeles. This production is a dream come true for me!
A very interesting build Lou, looking forward to how you tackle the rest of the build. You have inspired me to locate my kits of the droids made by Posigrade Creations they have been orbiting on my stash shelf for some twenty five years now.
I love happy accidents! Just happened upon this build and could not help but hit Subscribe! The Valley Forge, one of my early childhood favourites too of what I still consider a quirky yet memorable if not haunting movie. Not bad for a college project eh? Watching with a whetted appetite!
Heya Lou! Probably way too Late- but the Actual Colour for the Framework and Superstructure is a Salamander Orange. Particularly Humbrol Salamander Orange in the Authentic Range. It is a Line Long Discontinued But I Have a Tin That is Nigh 30 years Old? I’ve used it sparingly since I was a Kid and it still serves me well today! It maybe a paint that you have in your stash. But that is the colour that you are after! Best
Silent Running, now there is a blast from my childhood. I remember watching the film in the mid 70s and thinking it was the coolest thing, then rewatching it many years later and coming away with a different opinion. Looking forward to seeing the finished product, and since you'll have so much experience with posts and girders, maybe you'll want to tackle the Cygnus from The Black Hole. BTW, stock footage from the movie was also used in an episode of Battlestar Galactica, so you can always rationalize that you're building that model instead, not that that show was much better :)
What an AMAZING kit for you to build Lou. This is in the same realm as a Cygnus in scope if not size. I'll help smuggle you to Canada if you wish to keep it...….Haaaaaaa! I believe the pieces that you said were 3d printed are more likely from an SLA RESIN Printer.....This is Another type of printer along with a filament or FDM Printer I encourage you to try.....you can get a PRUSA MINI for round $350 and a good resin printer (ELEGO MARS) for about $250, printing resin and filament can start for less than $50 bucks for both.....I've been printing masks for people lately but when I have time I'm gunna send you some 3d printed (FDM) stuff including a better Phaser 2 than last time. Be Well my friend....I look forward each week to the Lou Dalmaso show and the Longer the Better. One last thing....Really enjoy Watching you work and not just cuts of after work done...Good Change.....just sayin.....
Wow, that's an impressive kit. I would have been tempted to use rattle can automotive metal & plastic primer to ensure a good bond to both materials. Fuel modules are a bit like a ship in a bottle! Yes, the actual movie is a bit clunky but I still love it - unfortunately I can't watch it very often - too emotional at the end :(
Lou, here is the behind the scenes making of Silent Running. You might of seen this by now ... but at the 32 minute mark is the actual 25 ft something model they made of the Valley Forge!
It looks like ( I know it's not ) you're so rich, you use a toilet paper roll (at today's going rate, one could buy two of those ships) as a girder support for painting. I guess you can still use it with a little paint on the paper,just make shure it's dry first. Great video as always, thank you. John S.
LOU -- We should talk ... as not only is SILENT RUNNING my favorite film from age 12 and caused me to be a screenwriter and director -- but I worked for Doug Trumbull as an editor in the mid-80's at ShowScan. AND -- I have seen the real DOMES in person and studied them for hours -- so -- there's some things you need to know about the Geodesic parts. Trust me ... I know SILENT RUNNING backwards. In fact, a photo Bruce Dern signed to me is framed and 6 feet from me now. D.A.
I stand by my opinion. It is a Beautifully designed film. but the story itself is a stinker. I hope you turned out to be a better screenwriter then these guys
@@aztekdummy Dear Lou ... I agree in many ways -- but these screenwriters, did actually turn out to be really great screenwriters. DERIC WASHBURN: He is best known for co-writing the original screenplay of The Deer Hunter with Michael Cimino. He was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Writing (Original Screenplay) and a WGA Award for "Best Drama Written Directly for the Screen" for The Deer Hunter, along with Quinn Redeker, Louis Garfinkle and Michael Cimino. MICHAEL CIMINO: After co-writing the script of Magnum Force and Silent Running he wrote the preliminary script Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. Clint Eastwood read the script and sent it to his personal production company, which allowed Cimino to direct the film. After its success, Cimino co-wrote, directed, and produced the 1978 Academy Award-winning film The Deer Hunter. His next film, Heaven's Gate (1980), proved to be a financial failure. STEVEN BOCHCO: Went to work for Universal Pictures as a writer and then story editor on Ironside, Columbo, McMillan & Wife, and the short-lived Lorne Greene and Ben Murphy series, Griff, as well as Delvecchio and The Invisible Man. He wrote the story and teleplay for the Columbo episode "Murder by the Book" (1971), and the teleplays for several other episodes. He wrote the screenplay for the 1968 film The Counterfeit Killer and worked on Silent Running (1972) and Double Indemnity (1973). He left Universal in 1978 to go to MTM Enterprises where he had greater scope for producing. His first effort there was the short-lived CBS police drama Paris, notable as the first series on which James Earl Jones played a lead role. He achieved major success for NBC with the police drama Hill Street Blues. It ran from 1981 to 1987 and Bochco was credited as co-creator, also writing and producing. The series also garnered considerable critical acclaim and many awards, and was nominated for a total of 98 Emmy Awards throughout its run. Bochco was fired from MTM in 1985 following the failure of Bay City Blues (1983). Bochco moved to 20th Century Fox where he co-created and produced L.A. Law (1986-94) which aired on NBC. This series was also widely acclaimed and a regular award winner. In 1987, Bochco co-created the half-hour dramedy Hooperman which starred John Ritter but was canceled after two seasons, despite Bochco offering to take over direct day-to-day control of a third season. Hooperman was part of a lucrative deal with ABC in 1987 to create and produce ten new television series, which prompted Bochco to form Steven Bochco Productions.[a] From this deal came Doogie Howser, M.D. (1989-93) and Cop Rock (1990). The latter combined straight police drama with live-action Broadway singing and dancing, and was one of his highest-profile failures. In 1992, Bochco created an animated television series, Capitol Critters, along with Nat Mauldin and Michael Wagner. After a lull, Bochco co-created NYPD Blue (1993-2005) with David Milch. Initially controversial at the time, the series was created with the express intention of changing the nature of network one-hour drama to compete with the more adult fare broadcast on cable networks. The spring 1994 television schedule on ABC presented the only run of a television series executive produced by Bochco, The Byrds of Paradise. The Byrds of Paradise showcased a plot structure that was an early forerunner in presenting a more realistic, and not idealized, representation of character development in the primetime television format, but it aired for only one season, and has yet to be re-aired on television.[5][6] Although The Byrds of Paradise achieved significant critical acclaim during its initial run, and helped launch the careers of actors Seth Green and Jennifer Love Hewitt, the show has never received an official release on any home video format or streaming media platform.[7][8][9] Other projects in this period that failed to take off include Murder One (1995-97), Brooklyn South (1997), City of Angels (2000), Philly (2001), and Over There (2005). All five shows failed to match Bochco's earlier success though Murder One and Over There garnered critical praise. In 2005, Bochco took charge of Commander in Chief (2005-06), created by Rod Lurie, and brought in a new writing team. However, in spring 2006, he left the show because of conflicts with ABC, and shortly afterward the program was canceled. Bochco described his experience on the show as "horrible".[10] In 2006 Bochco produced a pilot for an ABC show, Hollis & Rae,[11] and was reported at the same time to be developing a baseball drama and another legal drama for ABC in partnership with Chris Gerolmo.[citation needed] It was announced in March 2007 that Bochco had taken his first steps into internet TV with the 44-episode Cafe Confidential, each episode being 60-seconds of unscripted "confessions" by members of the public.[12] Yet another legal drama titled Raising the Bar was produced for TNT, this time in partnership with David Feige, although it was cancelled in December 2009 during the second season --------------------------------- In short -- I think these guys did pretty good after SILENT RUNNING. But -- the thing I want to talk to you about is the GEODESIC PATTERN on the DOMES. Specifically, they were not screen printed onto the domes, rather were COPPER WIRES in 3 LAYERS. And the dome color was CLEAR. I know this because I spent hours studying them in-person not only as a kid at a Star Trek Convention, but much more when I worked for Douglas Trumbull's ShowScan in the mid-80's. So ........ pretty please, consider putting the COPPER WIRE and the STUDS on the domes. Thanks-! D.A.
@@MeBeTheDB yes the writers went on to do much better things, I agree. but this product was still poorly written. Maybe sci-fi just wasn't their strong suit. but enough of that. I've also seen the domes with all of their intricate copper wire. that would be sadly out of scale to replicate on this kit. maybe on a bigger dome, but not this one. if the wire was thin as a hair and wrapped 4 times (for the sake of argument) around each post at full scale for the filming miniature, then this kit (which is about 1/10th the size of the filming model) would need to have wire 1/10 of a hair wrapped 4 times or even 1/5 a hair wrapped twice. Not gonna do it printed pattern is just fine by me
@@aztekdummy Ya got me there about the wire. As to the writing -- that line by FREEMAN LOWELL, (Bruce Dern) ... "Everywhere you go on Earth it's 75 degrees ..." is becoming oh so true. That film was shot 50 years ago ... so, what is past is prologue. If anything -- the writers got that right. By the way, the film was shot for 1 Million bucks. Back then, not much. In fact, Dern shot THE COWBOYS at the same time as SILENT RUNNING. Go figure. D.A.
Maybe it's the cynic in me, but the best line was the one I used in the intro for my video. After all Lowell lied, stole and murdered to get what he wanted. A hell of an American, indeed.
Epic build - time to break out the model train set scenery supplies for the gardens me thinks - and maybe one with a mini droid with a watering can :-)
I suggest that the problem with the joining plugs for your tubing not fitting is that the brass tube, when it's cut, tends to roll in the edge (only by a few ten thousandths maybe) but enough to stop the plug going in. Ream the tubes out with a correctly sized drill bit and you should be able to fit them.
Lou, have you ever seen an old sci-fi series called, Starlost (1973)? It’s Canadian but stars Keir Dullea! Anyway it features the same model of the Valley Forge, one episode features a model of “their Ark” too. I found the series on TH-cam.
Absolutely astounded by how much you accomplished on this kit in only a week! I was lucky enough to purchase the Valley Forge and a standalone 11" diameter dome kit from Tony a couple of months ago, and your video has helped me overcome some initial trepidation at starting a build as complex as this. Any chance that when all is said and done you will make your Valley Forge masks available for purchase? Thanks Lou!
Sorry, Lou, no fuel cells in the Big Dome kit, just the latticed dome, base, spheres, tanks, thrusters and cargo pod stand. My question about masks assumed that you would find additional areas in need of masking as the VF build progresses. Happy building!
You are doing a great job with this model. I went to the Hunk of Junk productions site and could not find this model listed. How did you find it at the site. How much did this cost. Thanks for any help you can give.
That is a thing of beauty. I can't wait to see what the end result looks like. As someone else mentioned, this had me thinking of the Cygnus from the Black Hole a lot. I wonder if the Valley Forge was an inspiration for the model makers. How on Earth are you going to ship this thing back to the person who commissioned it???
Ah - my favourite movie model. WOW, WOW, WOW. A great job so far👍👍👍👍👍!!! Just out of curiosity, are you going to light the domes? There are so many great looking movie models like Discovery, Leonid, Entreprise, Cygnus, Millenium Falcon, etc, but I have always had a soft spot for the Valley Forge. The movie's theme song and the music that ran when they zoomed away from the window and showed the ship/fleet, was playing between my ears for the whole length of your video. At $1300 that is way beyond my means so I'll have to dream through your vids. No doubt that this model will cost your client twice that much at least by the time everthing is complete and hung in his house. Is this a possibility to consider - use brass rods (not tubes, LOL), to fit inside the ends of the brass tubes. Would it not give better structural rigidity to the model overall if you cut about a foot length and then pushed them thru both ooen ends. That way you'll have 6" as opposed to the 1/2" inside both ends of the rods. They are attached to the main body so they'll be held in place in any case. Like I said, I just thought it give the whole model better overall strength at not much more weight. My movie is on tape so I wouldn't have been able to watch it as often as you did. Unfortunately, many scifi movie/tv shows plots and dialogue are often that way.
Hi, Lou! Very much inspired by your builds. Want to make a USS Franklin with a lightkit from Tenacontrol. I have some questions on a integrating it to a model and about a circuit, but they don’t respond. How i can get in touch with you and maybe if you have couple minutes you might be able to answer my couple questions?
Did you get you some of that Bojangles dirty rice too, Lou? I just can’t have any Bojangles Chicken w/o some of their dirty rice. Oh well that’s neither here nor there, concerning this video so......, the Valley Forge is looking good Lou!
Randy Hall - well I still liked the movie overall. Typical sci-fi movie back then and now too in many ways. Yes for BSG. It was in the first half of the pilot, that was the ship the cyclones blew up with a nuke as the little girl sat there on the park bench. It was then also used as part of what was left of the fleet and I think was blown up again in the final season. I may be wrong.
Hi Lou, I built this kit about three years ago, and posted some images of my build here, for example: facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10220443605935574&set=pcb.10158256429390421&type=3&theater&ifg=1 It's a fun build, but a little tricky in spots. I did commission the production of some details parts, mostly for the hull, which significantly improve the accuracy and detail of the model. These are available on Shapeways. I don't receive any compensation for the sale of these parts; I'm just telling you because they really add to the build. You can find them here: www.shapeways.com/shops/308bits?page%5Bnumber%5D=1&page%5Blimit%5D=48&page%5Border%5D=asc&s=0§ion=SciFi Looking forward to seeing more of your build!
That was a great job on that model. Very impressive. You said that colour orange is what they used? Interesting, it looks nothing like that from screen grabs.
One of my all-time favorite movies. I had no idea this model was available. For those interested, the kit can be get here: www.monstersinmotion.com/cart/other-c-271_274_299/silent-running-valley-forge-49-inch-1650-scale-p-18938.html and it is not cheap. This is going to be great!
As for the movie quality, don't forget, this movie was produced for only 1 or 2 million. even in '71, that was cheap. I, for one, will always stand up for the story, as the environment doesn't get a lot of representation, other than soppy, empty rhetoric. Beautiful model, wish I'd been able to procure one. Great job man! Rock on Joan Baez!!! "If I wanted to lick a hippie, I'd call Joan Baez" Jack Donagy, 30 Rock!
It's gotta be said soooo I'm gunna say it......I believe you've touched (up) your balls enough in this video Lou.....also everybody take a shot every time Lou says the word 'girder'........Haaaaaaaaaaaa
Sweet Momma! The BIG ONE! Yipes-and-a-half, Lou-- if you were ever worried about gray hair-- worry no more. What a beast. Eaten by another beast which is owned by a very big beast. Well, you said it-- it's just not such a good movie. The ecological message is outright dumb. Now, I know... making a movie can be a real chore... the money people want to see a script and they have a handful of money and another handful of great ideas. What we are left with is the average Lucky Starr novel. Eventually you have to say, roll camera. Good Mr. Trumbull who spent his formative years working with Stanley Kubrick, wished to take the sting off the design of the Discovery. What we have is this magnificent palimpsest of ideas. All aimed at showing off his motion control expertise-- hence the spindly nature of much of the ship. Score by Pete Schickele... stands apart from everything else. I don't want to cause unrest but this Tony guy should be charging more. Astonishing levels of craft and dedication. And then there's you. Talk about marching happily onward. "Just kill enough..." (Okay, when you write your book, here's your title: "1001 Dalmasions-- Quotes To Make Models By" -- huh? whaddaya think?) I may have said it before, but this sure asks for repetition-- this is bravura model-making. One thing, can it really be "multi-media" without decals? Looking forward to week 2.
My balls are painted, my balls are painted, thank God almighty, my balls are painted! Gotta agree with you Lou, the movie wasn't that great. However, the model you are building is magnificent! I think the biggest problem you are going to have is getting the finished project successfully delivered to your client.
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That kit is huge! I am continually amazed by your skills and more importantly, your patience. I am so appreciative of the pointers, the problem solving, and optimism that you continually bring to the modeling community. Thanks Lou!
This video was helpful when I built my Valley Forge earlier this year. I opted for purchasing the domes and structural length of the ship, made the center section out of sheet plastic and 3d printed almost everything else, so it was not as heavy.
Easily one of the funnest episodes yet! I had a great time watching this tonight and I agree 100% that it isn't a great movie, but one heck of a ship design. Can't wait till next week. Stay safe and healthy! #justiceforlouie.
Only 11 minutes in, and I'm floored by the craftsmanship put into this kit. It looks studio quality. Can't wait to see this completed!
This was one of my favorite movies of that era and looks like a great project!
I'll be watching this one
Nice one Lou ;)
Thanks Lou, that was fantastic! I always love to sit down and watch your videos. This has been a really great one - such an inspirational modeller.
Bruce Derne, Silent Running,Hughie, Dewie and Lewis. Also the Valley Forge guests in the original Battlestar Galactica. Great days good stories. Great to revisit on these long dull days.
Nice looking kit of the Valley Forge!! I liked Silent Running and Bruce Dern back in the day and his efforts to save the plants. I also liked Huey, Dewey and Louie. They kind of look like R2 units in a way. The scale of this kit is nice to show a lot of structural details. Great looking paint job so far Lou. I see someone else mentioned it but I too thought of the Cygnus from the Black Hole. Must be a girder thing. Looking forward to the next episode!!!
Very happy to see you doing a Valley Forge build Lou. You have been doing some classic subjects lately, especially the Nautilus a few weeks ago and now the Valley Forge from Silent Running. Enjoying the video a great deal.
Truly an impressive model of one of the best spaceship designs in movie science fictions to date. If only they had added rocket engines. I look forward to watching the rest of this series. Can't wait to see how you handle the biodomes.
An amazing amount of work for one week. It’s looking great and the colour of the girders is fantastic (would make for a beautiful Red Dwarf base). Stay safe Lou, and thanks for the vids :)
Wow! I didn't know there was even a model of this out there. You have way more patience than I would with such a kit. It's looking awesome already though. Looking forward to your build of this beast.
One of my favorite movie ships. When I hang stuff from the ceiling I use guitar strings
Amazing kit!! great job on it so far Lou, well worth the wait.
That is the most gorgeous model kit I have ever seen.
Don't feel bad about the blue domes, I was thinking the exact same thing until you explained about the backing film.
Loved it as a kid, but it hasn't aged well and oh lord the Joan Baez music, definitely a product of the '70s. I did get a chance to see one of the domes along with the Dark Star model at the Equicon convention of 73 or 74. The grid on the domes was copper wire with beads at the vertices.
LOL. "Just kill enough." What a great line.
One of my all time favorite movies.
Valley Forge Valley Forge, Berkshire to Valley Forge!!… love that move.. saw it in the theater when I was a little kid :)
Ok I really need this in my collection.
Omg my favorite space movie since I was a little kid.
Psyched to watch this build. I got to work with Doug Trumbull a couple of years ago, he exec- produced our movie ( I was the prop maker ), and he was really nice, quite an impressive mind. It was surreal getting to visit his studio after growing up idolizing his films.
About ten minutes in it strikes me how much that (how much does it weigh?) double-wedge greeblie-covered main hull section resembles the general design flavor of Star Wars, particularly the wedges on the Consular ship at the beginning of Episode IV.
Then I recalled that Silent Running came out *five years BEFORE* Star Wars.
(Thank you George Trumbull!)
If I was going to build that model to keep I might think about either making a vacuform copy of the main hull (or scratchbuilding a hollow styrene copy) with slices of the resin block inside to align the tubes.
EDIT: Part of what made the movie so awful was the ridiculously tight budget and the even more ridiculously tight shooting schedule that only allowed one or two takes per scene. Think about that for a minute. No time to refine dialogue or characterization, no time to remind Dern that he was playing a human instead of a robot, no time to pick better music, no time to plug the plot holes...
It's definitely better with the sound muted.
And yes, #justiceforLouie
This is also my favorite Science Fiction Film from that era.
I wonder which version it will be. Details kinda changed during filming. Look close and you'll notice.
Especially after it was damaged in the middle of production by the 1970 earthquake (6.5) here in Los Angeles.
This production is a dream come true for me!
A very interesting build Lou, looking forward to how you tackle the rest of the build. You have inspired me to locate my kits of the droids made by Posigrade Creations they have been orbiting on my stash shelf for some twenty five years now.
Looking great.
This. Kit. Looks. Amazing.
I love happy accidents! Just happened upon this build and could not help but hit Subscribe! The Valley Forge, one of my early childhood favourites too of what I still consider a quirky yet memorable if not haunting movie. Not bad for a college project eh? Watching with a whetted appetite!
"My Balls are Painted! My Balls are Painted!" A great t-shirt idea!
Isn't this the Space ship that was in the movie Silent Running?
Brik Bardo - yes indeed it was.
I was totally hoping this would be the model. Truly. LOL! So cool.
Heya Lou!
Probably way too Late- but the Actual Colour for the Framework and Superstructure is a Salamander Orange. Particularly Humbrol Salamander Orange in the Authentic Range. It is a Line Long Discontinued But I Have a Tin That is Nigh 30 years Old? I’ve used it sparingly since I was a Kid and it still serves me well today! It maybe a paint that you have in your stash. But that is the colour that you are after!
Best
You got a helluva lot done this first week!
Enjoyable as always Lou!
I love Silent Running.
Silent Running, now there is a blast from my childhood. I remember watching the film in the mid 70s and thinking it was the coolest thing, then rewatching it many years later and coming away with a different opinion. Looking forward to seeing the finished product, and since you'll have so much experience with posts and girders, maybe you'll want to tackle the Cygnus from The Black Hole.
BTW, stock footage from the movie was also used in an episode of Battlestar Galactica, so you can always rationalize that you're building that model instead, not that that show was much better :)
What an AMAZING kit for you to build Lou. This is in the same realm as a Cygnus in scope if not size. I'll help smuggle you to Canada if you wish to keep it...….Haaaaaaa! I believe the pieces that you said were 3d printed are more likely from an SLA RESIN Printer.....This is Another type of printer along with a filament or FDM Printer I encourage you to try.....you can get a PRUSA MINI for round $350 and a good resin printer (ELEGO MARS) for about $250, printing resin and filament can start for less than $50 bucks for both.....I've been printing masks for people lately but when I have time I'm gunna send you some 3d printed (FDM) stuff including a better Phaser 2 than last time. Be Well my friend....I look forward each week to the Lou Dalmaso show and the Longer the Better. One last thing....Really enjoy Watching you work and not just cuts of after work done...Good Change.....just sayin.....
Wow, that's an impressive kit. I would have been tempted to use rattle can automotive metal & plastic primer to ensure a good bond to both materials. Fuel modules are a bit like a ship in a bottle! Yes, the actual movie is a bit clunky but I still love it - unfortunately I can't watch it very often - too emotional at the end :(
Lou, here is the behind the scenes making of Silent Running. You might of seen this by now ... but at the 32 minute mark is the actual 25 ft something model they made of the Valley Forge!
It looks like ( I know it's not ) you're so rich, you use a toilet paper roll (at today's going rate, one could buy two of those ships) as a girder support for painting. I guess you can still use it with a little paint on the paper,just make shure it's dry first. Great video as always, thank you. John S.
HA! That's a roll of transfer tape. I suppose I could use it as toilet paper in a pinch, but it would be like wiping with masking tape...OUCH!
LOU -- We should talk ... as not only is SILENT RUNNING my favorite film from age 12 and caused me to be a screenwriter and director -- but I worked for Doug Trumbull as an editor in the mid-80's at ShowScan.
AND -- I have seen the real DOMES in person and studied them for hours -- so -- there's some things you need to know about the Geodesic parts.
Trust me ... I know SILENT RUNNING backwards. In fact, a photo Bruce Dern signed to me is framed and 6 feet from me now.
D.A.
I stand by my opinion. It is a Beautifully designed film. but the story itself is a stinker. I hope you turned out to be a better screenwriter then these guys
@@aztekdummy Dear Lou ... I agree in many ways -- but these screenwriters, did actually turn out to be really great screenwriters.
DERIC WASHBURN: He is best known for co-writing the original screenplay of The Deer Hunter with Michael Cimino. He was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Writing (Original Screenplay) and a WGA Award for "Best Drama Written Directly for the Screen" for The Deer Hunter, along with Quinn Redeker, Louis Garfinkle and Michael Cimino.
MICHAEL CIMINO: After co-writing the script of Magnum Force and Silent Running he wrote the preliminary script Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. Clint Eastwood read the script and sent it to his personal production company, which allowed Cimino to direct the film. After its success, Cimino co-wrote, directed, and produced the 1978 Academy Award-winning film The Deer Hunter. His next film, Heaven's Gate (1980), proved to be a financial failure.
STEVEN BOCHCO: Went to work for Universal Pictures as a writer and then story editor on Ironside, Columbo, McMillan & Wife, and the short-lived Lorne Greene and Ben Murphy series, Griff, as well as Delvecchio and The Invisible Man.
He wrote the story and teleplay for the Columbo episode "Murder by the Book" (1971), and the teleplays for several other episodes. He wrote the screenplay for the 1968 film The Counterfeit Killer and worked on Silent Running (1972) and Double Indemnity (1973). He left Universal in 1978 to go to MTM Enterprises where he had greater scope for producing. His first effort there was the short-lived CBS police drama Paris, notable as the first series on which James Earl Jones played a lead role.
He achieved major success for NBC with the police drama Hill Street Blues. It ran from 1981 to 1987 and Bochco was credited as co-creator, also writing and producing. The series also garnered considerable critical acclaim and many awards, and was nominated for a total of 98 Emmy Awards throughout its run. Bochco was fired from MTM in 1985 following the failure of Bay City Blues (1983).
Bochco moved to 20th Century Fox where he co-created and produced L.A. Law (1986-94) which aired on NBC. This series was also widely acclaimed and a regular award winner. In 1987, Bochco co-created the half-hour dramedy Hooperman which starred John Ritter but was canceled after two seasons, despite Bochco offering to take over direct day-to-day control of a third season. Hooperman was part of a lucrative deal with ABC in 1987 to create and produce ten new television series, which prompted Bochco to form Steven Bochco Productions.[a] From this deal came Doogie Howser, M.D. (1989-93) and Cop Rock (1990). The latter combined straight police drama with live-action Broadway singing and dancing, and was one of his highest-profile failures. In 1992, Bochco created an animated television series, Capitol Critters, along with Nat Mauldin and Michael Wagner.
After a lull, Bochco co-created NYPD Blue (1993-2005) with David Milch. Initially controversial at the time, the series was created with the express intention of changing the nature of network one-hour drama to compete with the more adult fare broadcast on cable networks. The spring 1994 television schedule on ABC presented the only run of a television series executive produced by Bochco, The Byrds of Paradise. The Byrds of Paradise showcased a plot structure that was an early forerunner in presenting a more realistic, and not idealized, representation of character development in the primetime television format, but it aired for only one season, and has yet to be re-aired on television.[5][6] Although The Byrds of Paradise achieved significant critical acclaim during its initial run, and helped launch the careers of actors Seth Green and Jennifer Love Hewitt, the show has never received an official release on any home video format or streaming media platform.[7][8][9] Other projects in this period that failed to take off include Murder One (1995-97), Brooklyn South (1997), City of Angels (2000), Philly (2001), and Over There (2005). All five shows failed to match Bochco's earlier success though Murder One and Over There garnered critical praise.
In 2005, Bochco took charge of Commander in Chief (2005-06), created by Rod Lurie, and brought in a new writing team. However, in spring 2006, he left the show because of conflicts with ABC, and shortly afterward the program was canceled. Bochco described his experience on the show as "horrible".[10] In 2006 Bochco produced a pilot for an ABC show, Hollis & Rae,[11] and was reported at the same time to be developing a baseball drama and another legal drama for ABC in partnership with Chris Gerolmo.[citation needed]
It was announced in March 2007 that Bochco had taken his first steps into internet TV with the 44-episode Cafe Confidential, each episode being 60-seconds of unscripted "confessions" by members of the public.[12] Yet another legal drama titled Raising the Bar was produced for TNT, this time in partnership with David Feige, although it was cancelled in December 2009 during the second season
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In short -- I think these guys did pretty good after SILENT RUNNING.
But -- the thing I want to talk to you about is the GEODESIC PATTERN on the DOMES. Specifically, they were not screen printed onto the domes, rather were COPPER WIRES in 3 LAYERS. And the dome color was CLEAR. I know this because I spent hours studying them in-person not only as a kid at a Star Trek Convention, but much more when I worked for Douglas Trumbull's ShowScan in the mid-80's.
So ........ pretty please, consider putting the COPPER WIRE and the STUDS on the domes.
Thanks-!
D.A.
@@MeBeTheDB yes the writers went on to do much better things, I agree. but this product was still poorly written. Maybe sci-fi just wasn't their strong suit. but enough of that.
I've also seen the domes with all of their intricate copper wire. that would be sadly out of scale to replicate on this kit. maybe on a bigger dome, but not this one. if the wire was thin as a hair and wrapped 4 times (for the sake of argument) around each post at full scale for the filming miniature, then this kit (which is about 1/10th the size of the filming model) would need to have wire 1/10 of a hair wrapped 4 times or even 1/5 a hair wrapped twice.
Not gonna do it
printed pattern is just fine by me
@@aztekdummy Ya got me there about the wire. As to the writing -- that line by FREEMAN LOWELL, (Bruce Dern) ...
"Everywhere you go on Earth it's 75 degrees ..." is becoming oh so true. That film was shot 50 years ago ... so, what is past is prologue. If anything -- the writers got that right. By the way, the film was shot for 1 Million bucks. Back then, not much. In fact, Dern shot THE COWBOYS at the same time as SILENT RUNNING. Go figure.
D.A.
Maybe it's the cynic in me, but the best line was the one I used in the intro for my video. After all Lowell lied, stole and murdered to get what he wanted. A hell of an American, indeed.
Epic build - time to break out the model train set scenery supplies for the gardens me thinks - and maybe one with a mini droid with a watering can :-)
I suggest that the problem with the joining plugs for your tubing not fitting is that the brass tube, when it's cut, tends to roll in the edge (only by a few ten thousandths maybe) but enough to stop the plug going in. Ream the tubes out with a correctly sized drill bit and you should be able to fit them.
To keep paint from pulling up with the mask, seal the paint with a satin clear coat. This also works with decals.
I loved this ship as a kid, will you light this kit? The domes would be a real challenge!
Lou, have you ever seen an old sci-fi series called, Starlost (1973)? It’s Canadian but stars Keir Dullea!
Anyway it features the same model of the Valley Forge, one episode features a model of “their Ark” too. I found the series on TH-cam.
Brick-red trusses. What do we think? Inspired by the Saturn V launch tower or the Golden Gate Bridge (which I believe was near the filming location?)?
Very well done.
Would you consider a little more detailing by adding Louie's torn legs somewhere on the ship's exterior?
you cruel bastard. he was only doing his job...he didn't deserve what he got ...#justiceforlouie
Holy Moly that is a big kit! That kit has to weigh 20lbs.
That looks awesome! Great job!
What an amazing kit! Enjoy...
The plugs that go in the tube maybe designed to be a pressor fited
Look up, "Yard of Ale". the stand for a yard of ale glass worked for "USS Discovery" (2001)
Wow what an epic build! Great work so far .I would like to build this kit are the kits avalible?
Absolutely astounded by how much you accomplished on this kit in only a week! I was lucky enough to purchase the Valley Forge and a standalone 11" diameter dome kit from Tony a couple of months ago, and your video has helped me overcome some initial trepidation at starting a build as complex as this. Any chance that when all is said and done you will make your Valley Forge masks available for purchase? Thanks Lou!
I was curious about the single dome kit. does it come with Fuel cells? that's the only thing I masked
Sorry, Lou, no fuel cells in the Big Dome kit, just the latticed dome, base, spheres, tanks, thrusters and cargo pod stand. My question about masks assumed that you would find additional areas in need of masking as the VF build progresses. Happy building!
You are doing a great job with this model. I went to the Hunk of Junk productions site and could not find this model listed. How did you find it at the site. How much did this cost. Thanks for any help you can give.
That is a thing of beauty. I can't wait to see what the end result looks like. As someone else mentioned, this had me thinking of the Cygnus from the Black Hole a lot. I wonder if the Valley Forge was an inspiration for the model makers.
How on Earth are you going to ship this thing back to the person who commissioned it???
he is coming to collect it himself. Once it's in his vehicle, it's out of my control
Heating the brass tubing should expand them a touch - maybe enough to fit the joiners in?
no...you need them to contract a bit if anything. they fit tight as it is
Lou, while it would be a weight concern, would adding wooden doweling inside the brass rods help prevent bending? Just a thought Dane
no worries about them bending. the cumulative strength and stability of the 9 tubes is more than a match
Great job. How much is the kit
EPIC WORK....
Wow I love that ship
Ah - my favourite movie model. WOW, WOW, WOW. A great job so far👍👍👍👍👍!!! Just out of curiosity, are you going to light the domes?
There are so many great looking movie models like Discovery, Leonid, Entreprise, Cygnus, Millenium Falcon, etc, but I have always had a soft spot for the Valley Forge.
The movie's theme song and the music that ran when they zoomed away from the window and showed the ship/fleet, was playing between my ears for the whole length of your video.
At $1300 that is way beyond my means so I'll have to dream through your vids. No doubt that this model will cost your client twice that much at least by the time everthing is complete and hung in his house.
Is this a possibility to consider - use brass rods (not tubes, LOL), to fit inside the ends of the brass tubes. Would it not give better structural rigidity to the model overall if you cut about a foot length and then pushed them thru both ooen ends. That way you'll have 6" as opposed to the 1/2" inside both ends of the rods. They are attached to the main body so they'll be held in place in any case. Like I said, I just thought it give the whole model better overall strength at not much more weight.
My movie is on tape so I wouldn't have been able to watch it as often as you did. Unfortunately, many scifi movie/tv shows plots and dialogue are often that way.
Hi, Lou! Very much inspired by your builds. Want to make a USS Franklin with a lightkit from Tenacontrol. I have some questions on a integrating it to a model and about a circuit, but they don’t respond. How i can get in touch with you and maybe if you have couple minutes you might be able to answer my couple questions?
does it come with a miniature Bruce Dern?
Did you get you some of that Bojangles dirty rice too, Lou? I just can’t have any Bojangles Chicken w/o some of their dirty rice. Oh well that’s neither here nor there, concerning this video so......, the Valley Forge is looking good Lou!
Oh, you bet! Dirty rice is the best
Lou Dalmaso - yes sir’ee!
I loved this movie as a kid, I don't like it now. Great ship thought. Wasn't it in Battle Star Galactica?
It was used in Battlestar later on but silent running first - you need Huey, Louie & Dewey 👍
@@woods2461 they just took the footage from this movie and inserted it into battlestar.
Randy Hall - well I still liked the movie overall. Typical sci-fi movie back then and now too in many ways.
Yes for BSG. It was in the first half of the pilot, that was the ship the cyclones blew up with a nuke as the little girl sat there on the park bench.
It was then also used as part of what was left of the fleet and I think was blown up again in the final season.
I may be wrong.
Hi Lou,
I built this kit about three years ago, and posted some images of my build here, for example: facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10220443605935574&set=pcb.10158256429390421&type=3&theater&ifg=1
It's a fun build, but a little tricky in spots.
I did commission the production of some details parts, mostly for the hull, which significantly improve the accuracy and detail of the model. These are available on Shapeways. I don't receive any compensation for the sale of these parts; I'm just telling you because they really add to the build. You can find them here: www.shapeways.com/shops/308bits?page%5Bnumber%5D=1&page%5Blimit%5D=48&page%5Border%5D=asc&s=0§ion=SciFi
Looking forward to seeing more of your build!
Beautiful job.
I went to your FB post. That is an amazing model!!! 12⭐ 👍👍👍🖖
That was a great job on that model. Very impressive. You said that colour orange is what they used? Interesting, it looks nothing like that from screen grabs.
One of my all-time favorite movies. I had no idea this model was available. For those interested, the kit can be get here: www.monstersinmotion.com/cart/other-c-271_274_299/silent-running-valley-forge-49-inch-1650-scale-p-18938.html and it is not cheap. This is going to be great!
that must be for one they have in stock. Tony's price has gone up to 1300.00 for a new one
As for the movie quality, don't forget, this movie was produced for only 1 or 2 million. even in '71, that was cheap. I, for one, will always stand up for the story, as the environment doesn't get a lot of representation, other than soppy, empty rhetoric.
Beautiful model, wish I'd been able to procure one. Great job man! Rock on Joan Baez!!!
"If I wanted to lick a hippie, I'd call Joan Baez" Jack Donagy, 30 Rock!
It's gotta be said soooo I'm gunna say it......I believe you've touched (up) your balls enough in this video Lou.....also everybody take a shot every time Lou says the word 'girder'........Haaaaaaaaaaaa
Are you gonna light it? Does it come with the little droids?
Lou, do you think the kit is worth what they're charging for it now? $1,300
In a word. Yes. If you have the room to display it.
@@aztekdummy Thanks. PS: love your products!
Thanks
Is that Battlestar Galactica?
Sweet Momma! The BIG ONE! Yipes-and-a-half, Lou-- if you were ever worried about gray hair-- worry no more.
What a beast. Eaten by another beast which is owned by a very big beast. Well, you said it-- it's just not such a good movie. The ecological message is outright dumb. Now, I know... making a movie can be a real chore... the money people want to see a script and they have a handful of money and another handful of great ideas. What we are left with is the average Lucky Starr novel. Eventually you have to say, roll camera. Good Mr. Trumbull who spent his formative years working with Stanley Kubrick, wished to take the sting off the design of the Discovery. What we have is this magnificent palimpsest of ideas. All aimed at showing off his motion control expertise-- hence the spindly nature of much of the ship.
Score by Pete Schickele... stands apart from everything else.
I don't want to cause unrest but this Tony guy should be charging more. Astonishing levels of craft and dedication. And then there's you. Talk about marching happily onward.
"Just kill enough..." (Okay, when you write your book, here's your title: "1001 Dalmasions-- Quotes To Make Models By" -- huh? whaddaya think?)
I may have said it before, but this sure asks for repetition-- this is bravura model-making.
One thing, can it really be "multi-media" without decals? Looking forward to week 2.
did i forget to mention the decals? oh yes, there are a couple of decals
@@aztekdummy Woah! Okay, truly a many multi-media kit. It really is something.
Rapid prototyping was the original name before they were called 3D printers.
I am uncomfortable with calling it 3D printed as well. NASA calls it additive manufacturing, that's better but there should be something better.
My balls are painted, my balls are painted, thank God almighty, my balls are painted!
Gotta agree with you Lou, the movie wasn't that great. However, the model you are building is magnificent! I think the biggest problem you are going to have is getting the finished project successfully delivered to your client.
I have to disagree with you on Doug Trumbull. I loved "Starlost" and this film. Also you wouldn't even have this model if it weren't for him.
well so fare so good yes me never realy like film yes more wold of dumb but the models does make come back in yes all places battle star glagta as the agrow ships withch is cool ???? are going with film or the TVshow ???? post and will see