It's not for you, Jen. *THE IT CROWD* 4x01 Reaction - "Jen the Fredo"
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One of the worst things about reaction channels is when people laugh because they think they should. There are far too many (usually American) people just constantly trying to appease Brits by reacting to British shows that British people love, but then laughing at things usually because there's studio laughter giving them a cue to laugh. There's no secret that people who love something want others to love it too. But the reactions always need to be genuine. Which they are on this channel. I watch channels like this because it's a reason to rewatch shows I love.
There are but also it's a shame seeing someone hold back laughter because they feel they should.
There's nothing wrong with not laughing or finding something funny, or not liking something. But finding it morally egregious is what people find hilarious and ridiculous.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 Come on, everybody has things they don't like, and that has the potential to affect a person's enjoyment of comedy or other entertainment. This is basic human nature.
@@Will-nn6ux To morally adjudicate on sitcoms? I don't think it is lol.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 What you are describing quite dramatically is simply having an opinion and saying what it is.
Love that you exclaimed "ruddy mysterious!" milliseconds before the show....👀👏👏😂💜
The "cringe" is definitely specific to UK humour. We go to the places that make you feel uncomfortable, and it's funny because you can either relate to the situation/know a person like that irl, or the character is shown in such a way that it's obvious that they're flawed but not intrinsically evil and there's the glimmer of hope that they might have a redemption arc or get their comeuppance. It's the cringe that makes it so bad it's good, in the same way cheesy pop makes you smile even if it's terrible. But definitely culture-specific and not funny haha but more uncomfortable awkwardness.
Thanks for the reaction!
Cringe is definitely not specific to UK humour. Its Always Sunny, Parks and Rec, and The Office US, are all cringe comedies. Its Always Sunny is especially cringe, and I would recommend any cringe humour fans give it a try.
@@allbrave8781 I can't watch Always Sunny... horrible, horrible characters 😁
@@philb2085 Exactly. They are horrible, horrible people, much worse than Douglas. But they are actually funny because they suffer for being horrible people.
actually never thought about it like that but maybe you're right. British humour loves riffing on the awkward feeling! Green Wing is like an acid trip through British awkward funny.
@@allbrave8781 I think US cringe humour developed from British humour. British humour was cringey way before it appeared in the US. It kinda goes along with rooting for the underdog and the loser... the humour of an ex-empire.
As an individual moment, the Queen Esmerellda and role playing part is one of the peak moments of IT Crowd. Like Neil says, there's some real acting going on there
Well said Neil, love the honesty and keep doing what you're doing.
Great introduction. Completely agree. Reaction channels are for seeing your opinion. And whether we like or dislike it it's your opinion and while we can offers ours in comments, it's not our job to make you believe a certain way.
I can understand Douglas isn't for everyone - the humour is meant to be at their expense. Unfortunately powerful people never do face repercussions, which I think is the point. Douglas is a clown, uses his money and power to play around and chase women rather than work and nobody really notices the difference.
Very true to life.
I can understand you'd find it awkward though, especially given the portions of the show that are really unpleasant. It's not aged well in places.
Keep your honest reactions coming!
Take comfort from the journey of Douglas’s cronies: they ended the episode as changed men.
....... and one of them will be even more changed once he reaches the Rugby Club. 😜
As a Brit I'm quite used to laughing at terrible people like Douglas in comedies. But if that's not for you that's perfectly fine.
Fortunately the D&D subplot is so good it overshadows any other problems. The way it takes stereotypical workplace lads and puts them in an unfamiliar hobby that they initially dislike, only to have them actually get invested is brilliant.
You need the parts Neil dislikes, to elevate the parts he loves, I hope he gets that’s part of it by the end, as it’s very British imo
It took me a moment to notice but I love your mended drum tshirt, it always makes me smile to see a reference to my favourite author and his vast Canon of work.
Perhaps it's a more British leaning thing, the cognitive dissonance required to find Douglas genuinely funny. It's like Cartman from South Park. He is a disgusting character but is also very funny, and just because you genuinely laugh at him doesn't mean you in anyway sympathise with his views.
You pretty much nailed that. Sure, a few things may be off-putting to some but it's like stand-up comedy where they roast anyone and everyone. They're just jokes and Douglas is a pure stereotype.
Aaah...... I don't know. British comedy fan here who finds the humour of his character entirely unpalatable.
You can like it, but don't say it's a British thing. I think there's more to it than that.
i love Douglas. I think hes funny as fuck. Hes a character, and a bloody good one at that.
I appreciate your honest reaction. I wish it wasn't necessary to remind people to be civil, but unfortunately it is. Don't change your style at all.
What a shame you had to say that, Neil. Your reactions, channel, and the community are often supportive and wholesome. Let's hope this is a moment of community refinement :)
Thanks for giving us authentic and heartfelt reactions. It's really appreciated. And thanks for highlighting how wonderful the show is when it's just Moss and Roy interacting, which is something I hadn't fully appreciated until you shone a spotlight on it.
I’ve really enjoyed your reactions. I watch some other reaction channels and yours brings something a lot more intelligent and I always learn something along with having a good laugh.
I haven’t got involved in the comments exchanges. But agree that discussions should stay factual and not offensive. 👍
There are some great moments coming up in series 4...can't wait to see them with you
I definitely understand your aversion to a lot of the Douglas humor, but I find it darkly funny because I've worked with enough people in positions like that to know how real it is. Not to paint with a broad brush, but most people i've worked with in CEO/executive/sales type positions are very much like that and this show uses Douglas to exaggerate it but the truth is still there. Those people only fail upwards and never really face consequences for their actions so the humor is grounded in a sad reality where all we can really do is laugh about it. Not defending the actions or the characters, but it's just funny to me because it's too real.
I'm with you on that scene tho, Chris O'Dowd's acting!😱👏👏👏😂💜
Love your reactions bro.
I think Douglas' character appeals more to a british audience as anyone 40 or over will have had or known of a boss with his qualities to some degree. I agree the trans storyline hasnt aged well but I still find Douglas a loveable character due to matt berry's over the top characture depiction of Douglas and lack of self awareness as a misogynist but I would much rather you give your honest opinion than pretend laugh and ignore the bits you are uncomfortable with. Hopefully the rest of the season is less problematic as there are some great episodes in the 'final' season. Im Looking forward to next weeks review of street countdown
Douglas is a very entertaining character, who's well written & acted - but I wouldn't describe him as a likeable man.
I agree here. I think a British audience will identify with an inherently unfair situation where the bad guy never suffers and the underdog never really wins. I think a North American audience expects (or at least hopes) for the plucky underdog to stick it to the successful, but bad, boss.
@@markism2096 any person who worked from the bottom can relate to that
Personally, I don’t like Douglas at all as a character. I find him unfunny and a massive negative on the show.
I struggle to think of a British sitcom character I like less
I think this is a really harmful view, Douglas is meant to be the butt of the joke, he's meant to be seen as terrible, if you find him loveable that's hugely questionable and really not a good look
D&D is therapy.
Great intro. Well said Sir.
"Dumpo" tho👀👏👏😂😂😂
I’ve been waiting for your reaction to the next episode since you started series 1. Pure comedy, promise!
Ditto!
Same! The next one is my fav
i was waiting for u to get to the D&D scene, omg, what a gem ♥
I agree with Neil to refrain from insults towards him & each other on here. I'm surprised at the negative reaction by many people to this sitcom, which I've enjoyed watching several times since it began in 2006, but we can discuss it in a civil manner.
serious question Neil: do you not actually get that Douglas and friends are a parody....something to ridicule....something Graham is NOT saying to aspire to?
I disagree with the people who disagree. "We are all individuals - I'm not" MP
Your views on the show are fine to be honest, I wont pretend I don't find it disappointing when you end up disliking moments I have never had a problem with but that's that. I saw this show when I was a child so most of the undertones / adult jokes went right over my head but I still found it hilarious because of how silly the show is. Now I have grown up I am more aware but it is still one of my favourites.
At leased for me it seems when people grow up or enjoy something for years and they see someone else begin this journey part of the enjoyment comes from seeing their reaction as a way of going back and re-experiencing their first watch through the other persons eyes, unfortunately many people see any kind of criticism towards the thing they love as an attack against them, I actually was and still am a little like this with some things and have to constantly check myself to make sure I'm not taking something personally, however other people seem to forget that criticism isn't an attack.
Being disappointed with someone's view on something you love is fine, you're allowed to be and your allowed to express your side, however it is also just as okay for that person to disagree.
By the way, even though you don't get along with Douglas try not to let that colour your opinion of the actor. Matt Berry is a brilliant comedian, I've been thoroughly enjoying him in the What We Do In The Shadows tv series, and also loved Year Of The Rabbit before the second season was unfortunately cancelled.
Sorry people have been so rude to you Neil, I hope these comments don't affect you too much and that you continue to make and enjoy making these reaction videos. And while I have your attention you have to watch Succession :)))))))
This is one of my favorite episodes lol
Love the Mended Drum shirt ;)
The problem with Douglas is that he no longer feels like parody. Since the release of IT Crowd, more and more stories have come out about executives that genuinely act like Douglas, and just like Douglas, they never face any repercussions.
"...stories..."
exactly.
@@miff227 Stories can be non-fiction.
It's more Douglas is the subject of the joke rather than us finding Douglas himself funny
Well said at the start! I'm not usually one to usually comment on videos but obviously still have opinions and respect others too. That being said I admire the way you have handled this as I can see how difficult it would be to find humour in subjects so close to the reasons why people have opinions on Graham linehan. Cool constructive conversations is definitely what is missing from this world because people are so quick to segregate themselves from others with different opinions. I welcome a different perspective or opinion and feel we can only grow and progress if we do listen to each other and consider things not from our own jaded look on the world.. we forget we are all unique and real greatness come from collaborative thought and analysis not to mention respect. I definitely feel some jokes in this show haven't aged well but it depends how it's perceived.. I still laugh at many of the jokes considered too far in today's world because I associate it with a certain time when I saw it. Its very tough to remove our "modern tinted glasses" to watch something and not associate with todays topics and situations, but, in conclusion, if that tells us anything, then maybe we have grown more than we know.
I am genuinely curious about the reaction to Douglas. Like his father he is a caricature that doesn't exist in the real world. His behaviour is spectacle to be mocked. The humour is sort of in the ridiculousness of him. I feel like it might be a UK comedy thing but then you have characters like Todd in Scrubs or the Dean in Community. Zapp Branigan in futurama. Dwight in The Office. I am curious what makes some caricatures read as straight characters to some people and others not...
oh, mate! don't let others bully you into thinking you're too sensitive or something. Like what you like, dislike what you don't like. Everybody else can bog off! Graham Linehan is a very divisive character. So much so that he is a cause celebre for the "is it possible to separate the artist from the art" debate. I think he's a thin skinned man-child that cant handle legitimate criticism of his art and needs to call the whole thing "being cancelled" to feed his cavernous ego. Its a giant hole that cant be filled by the looks of it. He's not alone, there's plenty of entertainment industry attention seekers at it. ...take your own position on it...or leave it alone to enjoy the art, as you see fit. Nobody else's business...
Yeah, except he has been "cancelled". Episodes of his show have been pulled and he's been kicked off Twitter etc.
We know who the insensitive ones in this debate are, they're the ones who want things they find "offensive" to not be permitted to exist or be said. Which normal people find repressive. That's the nub of the issue.
We're laughing at the ridiculous/awful things that Douglas does & says - he's a parody of a type of boss that exists in some workplaces.
Cringe humour is a fundamental of British humour, I would wager that if you took the top 10 UK Comedies from the last few decades probably 9 (if not 10) of the 10 would contain cringe humour. Whether that says something about British people being inherently warped to nastiness or whether it says that British people have the ability to find humour within subjects that other nationalities would not touch is a question thats open for debate.
Hey Neil, You should perhaps watch some of the other sitcoms that Matt Berry has been in such as 'Garth Marhengi's Dark Place', a comedy also starring Richard Ayoade and set in a 1980's Hospital drama tv show. Very funny. Also Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimers 'House of fools' which is quite silly and surreal in equal measures. This way you could get a wider feel for the actor rather than just one characterthat he has played. just a thought!
Toast of London & Snuff Box.
And What We Do In The Shadows.
The Mighty Boosh!! Haha might be best after some of the finest Canadian herbs 🌿 🤣
In a perfect world you would have Graham Linehan on for an interview and dive into his motives behind the character of Douglas. For myself I can keep him strictly in the comedy realm and don't find this offending in any way. After all he's clearly portrait as a horrible person. Maybe his purpose is to intentionally create an uneasiness in the series to elevate the funnier moments. Much like in some songs where there are short moments of dissonance and rhythm breaks just to pick you up again and emphasize what's coming. I like that contradiction. And if you follow more of Matt Berry's roles, you will find, it' has somehow become his schtick to be a somewhat controversial and blunt character. You either like that or you don't.
A writer friend of mine tried to do just that. Apparently it wasn't worth the effort 😖
the cringe is part of the uk humor, cause its real cringe, coming from realism, i get it as seeing real people, shitheads, misogynist, transphobes, socially inept people. its the cousin of dark humor.
its different from the corny cringe, that is there artificially cause of a script, and most often than not, not at all pulled from real interaction or human behavior.
None of The IT Crowd's characters are in LTRs during the show.
You are the only reaction channel that I am subscribed to. Why? Because you are NOT "OMG! BLOWN AWAY!" by anything and everything that you watch, in the hope if people giving you likes because you pretend to like something that they love.
it's just a shame that Graham Linehan's later opinion is the elephant in the room, it's a pity that it's not possible to unknow his opinions. Still one of the best comedy series. Only beaten by SPACED.
His opinions such as that an 8 year old girl in a changing room shouldn't be forced to change with a 50 year old man with his genitals out?. Funny how men like you and Neil find such opinions so objectionable.
As someone who grew up in an abusive home, I know that there's only one kind of person who supports the erosion of boundaries between grown men and children. And I know that children will never be safe while those people exist.
I am somewhere between your age and Graham Linehan's and I can see it both ways but I didn't really see it so clearly your way until you pointed it out, so I am grateful for that. I don't really think either is right or wrong, I see them both as inevitable given the environment at the time.
Would be good to see you react to “red dwarf” it’s a sci-fi comedy and one of the greatest from uk.
I totally agree with you, one episode is at the same time the best and the worst
Matt Berry makes it perfect cringe humour imo, can't see it being played by any other actor and be as funny. One of my favourite episodes this
I enjoy so much of the British humour that you enjoy. I don't enjoy this one as much as I'd hoped I would, especially since I'd heard a lot of positive feedback. The Moss and Roy stuff slays me! But the storylines have been less and less funny in the last two seasons.
The show is very self-aware of the misogyny and only celebrate it on the surface level. The main lesson or deeper meaning is that the result of being asses is they're deeply sad and unfulfilled. Douglas himself felt the happiest when he explored his homosexuality with April but the tragedy is he could'nt get past his upbringing to accept himself and be truly happy. The guys in this episode learn how fun it can be just being "nerdy" and playing adventure games that I'm willing to bet when they follow through and tell their other friends about role playing games they'll be made fun of and will probably go back to their old selves. The main lesson is just be yourself and if you don't fit in with 'normal' society don't force it.
The D and D stuff would have been less funny if the random blokes were natural RPG fans... So the contrast with the sleazy tossers is where at least part of the humour comes in? And Matt Berry is VERY funny (while playing a very odd-and-also-unpleasant character, which he does very well).
Haha, I loved that "goodbye". I totally felt like it felt good doing that.
Anyway, I do disagree with you, Neil, as I see it purely as comedy to not look into, that being said, I get that you are looking into it and aren't comfy with it, but as you say, we're all different, and I think that's an awesome thing. We may align morally, but how we view comedy differently. "Agree to disagree" and move on to something different. Boom. It's that easy, I guess not for other people, though.
On to the next reaction, bud.
Brilliant reaction by the way.
One of my favourite episodes.
Hi Neil - Can you link where you bought your Mandalorian figurine please?
I think that's the whole point with Douglas, he's a caricature of rich YT men,who more often than not, face absolutely zero repercussions for their actions. Him,and the things he does are basically satirical in my eyes,they're the most obvious, ridiculous examples of that particular subject.....but they're often things that rich YT men have actually done/publicly been in trouble for,I can't remember particulars but I'm sure at least a couple of scenes were referring particular news stories around the time....👀🤷♂️💜
A great reaction and as always a good analysis. A lot of British sitcoms have always had characters that come across as 'difficult' Rigsby from Rising Damp always springs to my mind. The next episode in IT crowd I believe is a lot easier to watch, especially as there is less crass humour, ideal perhaps to have seen Countdown or 8 out of 10 cats does countdown before watching the next episode.
I think the Douglas character hits different for those of us who discovered the show prior or unaware of the creator's personal views coming out. I always enjoyed Douglas because I viewed him as a sort of Archie Bunker type of character, where it's his personality and worldview that's being satirized and is actually the butt of the joke. But I suppose Archie would have come across very differently if Norman Lear was a known racist.
BOTTOM!! You'd LOVE that !
Love the Mended Drum tee! My absolute favourite author!
I grew up watching this show and other British series. I fully understand your reasoning. That parts here and there hasn't aged well. But even back then I didn't find the lgbtq or sexist jabs funny. I did find them uncomfortable but British humour isn't done the same as the US kind. It is ment to be uncomfortable. Swedish humour is pretty close as well.
One thing that this show does well is the set up and pay off. Which is one of the reasons I like this series.
What it is with IT crowd:
It was written by graham linehan, and he is well known for having no filter when it comes to controversial subject matters. He takes jokes to their cringiest extremes sometimes, then pulls back, and sometimes he hurts people's feelings. He recently got "cancelled" for voicing his opinions about woke culture. A lot of people agreed with what he said, but he definitely annoyed a lot of people.
I know this video was posted 10 months ago, but to speak to your issues with the problematic elements of the show, sometimes it's hard to remember that if something was produced a while ago, they might have been working with information that we don't have nowadays. Old movies used to feature people smoking without any issues. There was an old episode of Tom and Jerry I saw once that had a disclaimer before it because there was a scene with blackface. It can be very tempting to look at old media through the lens of the information we have nowadays and cast judgment as a result, but try to keep in mind that the world has changed since these episodes were made, and if anything, you can see these moments as evidence of the progress we have made as a culture and a sort of freeze frame of the culture at their time.
yeah give your opinion, it's boring when people just say they love everything
My argument regarding Douglas not facing the consequences for his reprehensible actions would simply be - how often does anyone like Douglas face the consequences for their actions in real life?
I think id once again make the point that this sit com isn't trying to say anything. It doesn't have a moral message it's trying to impart. It's a cartoonish, heightened reflection of types of people who work in just about every office in the world. It's surrealist and absurd, that's the whole gag.
Douglas is just the villain. To be a villain you have to say some crass things, Douglas is very recognisable to many British employees. I've had at least 3 bosses similar to him. He's anti feminist homophobic, and has no understanding of the modern transgender issues we find we have today.
Fawlty Towers or The office (UK) would be interesting to see you meet an episode of. Michael Scott in the US Office is an example of the difference of humor and acceptance of discomfort, he's an ass, but lovable, whereas his British counterpart David Brent (in a tradition going back to Basil Fawlty and beyond, which includes Douglas) is a relatively irredeemable asshole throughout. Sometimes it's finding the level of cringe you're comfortable with, and it is perfectly understandable that you're uncomfortable with Douglas.
Dude, your channel is for your opinions. It is not necessary for anyone to agree with you on any subject. (Most of us do, obviously.) We are fans of your channel BECAUSE you are honest with your opinions when experiencing new shows. For my part, I really didn't notice the problematic elements in Graham Linehan's shows when they first aired, I just found some stuff markedly less funny than other stuff. Thank you for being able to recognise and articulate the reasons why you find some of it objectionable.
The instinctive repulsion you have is a good trait to have, a lot of people around the world, including myself have been taught to laugh at the outlandish and insane. But outside of a comedy perspective the outlandish and insane are just people who have no self-control and people with disabilities. Unlearning something is difficult and having to accept some things are bad to laugh at is also difficult. I don’t know what my point is of these ruminations is but, you’re a good man Neil.
I totally understand where you are coming from Neil and we do appreciate your honesty, however, cringe is part of the humour. You are not always meant to laugh in a way that you agree with it (of course) but just realise the absurdity of the situation and the characters. If you know what I mean.
I enjoy watching your reaction videos because you are not uncritical. Please keep criticising the problematic and unfunny elements.
One of my favourite things about your channel is your honesty..I'm a brit and fully agree that the IT Crowd sometimes just missed the mark, when it works it's bloody hilarious but other times I just cringe....sorry people get personal, some just can't help themselves, says more about them than you....take care lovey x
D&D really is a form of therapy. Community played that concept as well.
Maybe those of us who dont always agree and done mind that should be more vocal, drown out the rude ones with polite discussion ;)
Watch Calvary, Chris O'Dowed is in it
Some characters you love to hate whilst some you hate to love and in the end it is just fiction.
I’m really glad you’re honest about this show. I feel the same way. I love the funny episodes but the ones that don’t land as well always make me feel uncomfortable, maybe because I’m a lesbian and I get defensive about lgbt things, I dunno. But anyway, your reactions are top notch
I find it fascinating how characters like Douglas or David Brent can so divide opinion among people who otherwise share a similiar sense of humour. I don't, however, think it has anything to do with wokeness - as I assume some people in the comments have theorized - but rather empathy with the character.
In the scenes with Moss and Roy we, the audience, laugh WITH them because we like them. In scenes with Douglas half of us laugh AT him, becuase he's a buffoon, whereas the other half fail to do so because they feel embarrassed either for him or for whomeve he's interacting with instead.
I think that's why "the Simpsons" and "Family Guy" are so popular. Making the characters literal cartoons the audience are able to detach themselves enough to not empathize and just be amused with the situation.
As for your comment that "he doesn't face any consequences for his actions" I think that's an unfair standard to which to hold a sitcom. Just think of "Friends". About half way through the characters become quite awful against each other, lying and manipulating all the time. There might be exceptions, but most sitcoms rely on a "reset button" that allows a scene to just be funny and quickly forgotten.
Just wait 'till the Countdown episode - that is wen you will get a genuine taste of UK culture!
The parts that are cringey are meant to be cringey. What is there to be offended about. Unless you are taking it entirely too serious which is not the intent.
Love that reaction because you always keep it honest. Roy and Moss never miss. Jen and Douglas have their moments but the storyline between them has little chemistry and is bad and repetitive
@20:13 "without a laugh track" - really, you think The IT Crowd was filmed with a laugh track?
Inbetweeners would be a great next watch
It's interesting. I personally recognise Matt Berry's character as a sexist pig cartoon almost, and am able to laugh at him. This could be age related, me having seen some really obnoxious stuff on primetime tv in the 70s, which I would hasten to say I never really found funny. What I think it is is that I was never aware of any scandal involving Graham Linehan and it has been fairly obvious that this has loomed large for you and been at the back of your mind all the time. I've had a check after hearing you mention it and I see he has been banned from twitter for homophobic or transphobic comments or both. I recognise Reynolm's sexism - it would be impossible to miss - but being unaware of the background, have never made particular note of any homophobia. I could go back looking for it but frankly, that way lies madness.
The long and the short of it is that I'm sorry you weren't able to fully immerse n this, and that you survive Matt Berry in 'What We Do In The Shadows' if you ever get to it.
This is by far the best series 👌
Don't know if it's just a British thing but the comedy in Douglas is in wrongness...we're laughing at him and the ludicrous things he says..and the brilliant delivery.
I get you on Douglas. He's too exaggerated for me to feel offended by him but he rarely makes me laugh.
How about Matt Berry's other characters?
@@andrewjones575 Don't think I've seen his others, though I'm curious about that vampire show. He seems like he's probably a funny guy. He just doesn't work for me here. The older Denholm was funnier.
@@UnveiledAngel Toast of London is great.
The IT Crowd & Graham Linehan weren't controversial in the 2000s.
They're not controversial now
They're only controversial to butthurt cry babies
@@jgreen2015 The IT Crowd is controversial enough for one ep to be removed from C4's website & not broadcast for years. GL is one of the most controversial people in the UK.
@@andrewjones575 Only to a fringe minority, who have their opinions amplified for some reason.
@@andrewjones575 Like Fawlty Towers having an episode removed is controversial.
British comedy is very different from US comedy in that with characters like Douglas we laugh at how ridiculous his comments are rather than what he is saying. It goes a long way back UK in sitcoms.
Perhaps the American/UK divide on sitcoms stems from theirs being rooted in real life, for example Friends, Cheers, Roseanne were all somewhat grounded in real people you felt like you could be friends with and decisions had weight and episodes ended with a 'you know what, I really learned something today' kind of moral to them. UK sitcoms were much less grounded, with almost a cartoon style escapism and an exaggerated approach to humour. This may be because for many decades highly educated and eloquent individuals were given the opportunity to be very, very silly, especially by the BBC.
Sorry you've been insulted. Part of the problem we have is the lack of ability to disagree maturely. There's too much of it about. Good episode.
I totally agree with your opening remarks… of course you’re entitled to your own onions, however wrong they may be. 😉
vive la différence!
I like your opinions, it's what I'm here for, I see where you're opinions come from in relation to the IT Crowd, I don't necessarily agree with them but my dislike for parts of this show is just I don't find them funny. Rather just watch Roy, Moss and Jen interact for the whole show.
Comedy shows obviously come with characters that are wild caricatures. Moss is, too. You laugh at their foolishness in a tv show, because you can't make people to you liking in real world.
Don't worry. The ones who are more vocal are also the ones who always come back. As they say, bad publicity is still publicity 👍.. So I guess the same is applicable for this.
I don't have similar views to you and I like that..
Looking forward to this season 😁
I liked show cuz its NOT PC
For me, it would be a problem if the show didn't make a point out of him being a shithead. If the show just made those jokes and nothing else, it would be a problem.
Jokes about sexism and misogyny are squarely aimed at outdated management and power structures. I trust intelligent viewers can appreciate humour is found a little deeper than what one hears.
I'm honestly pretty mixed on The IT Crowd. It has some really brilliant moments, but it also does some stuff that I don't at all care for. And while Moss, Roy and Jen are all great, I don't find Richmond all that funny, and Douglas is downright unbearable much of the time. At times, I've said that The IT Crowd is really funny, and at others, that it's really not my cup of tea, and it took me a while to realize that those viewpoints don't represent an evolution of my opinion, but rather a more consistent evaluation of different facets of the show.
Genuinely, I love the IT crowd for launching O’Dowd and Ayoade (at least as far as my awareness of them is concerned) and for a few great classic scenes. But it’s also got a lot of guff in it. It’s quite a patchy show. A lot of pretty bland low budget, weakly written filler that just happens to have some classic moments scattered in there.
That’s not uncommon for British TV. A lot of shows that just have that 1 episode and one or two other iconic scenes that almost have a life of their own outside the original show for being so iconic, but otherwise it’s a fairly generic show
And my issue with Douglas isn't even that I find him problematic, but rather one-dimensional and obnoxious. He's a one-joke character, and that joke wasn't even funny in the first place, much less after it'd been beaten into the ground over and over again.
I think this show is a great example for the phrase "shooting oneself in the foot". It could be one of the greatest, but it constantly sabotages itself. Douglas has no qualities other than being a sleaze. IMO, they should either show him meeting the consequences of his actions, or he shouldn't exist at all. Sadly, The IT Crowd was my first "interaction" with Matt Berry, and it ruined this otherwise cool actor for me. Whenever I see him in some other shows, all I can see is Douglas.
its just a character that he plays , geeeez get a grip
Even when you watch Year of the Rabbit?
It was/is supposed to make you uncomfortable and was exposing the hypocrisy and is the basis of most British comedy.
I just watched some US clips of Married with Children and you will cringe at that. As you say each to their own and the
'inbetweeners' , Little Britain , Gimme Gimme Gimme , Black Adder and many more may not be your cup of tea as we say.....
Still I love your Taskmaster reactions and I just watched the first few episodes of Alex Horne's new sitcom which is
rubbish so far imo but hopefully will get better or it will be cancelled....Cheers for reacting to the IT crowd I watched when it
was first aired and that D&D section was fun. I would suggest Father Ted another great sit com but I'm not so sure now ???