It's going to be a great race. If Jonas is in great shape, he has the team to compete with Pogi (who has the best team). If Jonas is not fit, then Sepp Kuss could step up. No matter what, Remco and Primoz will be up there and fighting hard to win.
Hot take- the actual showdown will be at the Vuelta this year. Pog will dominate tdf, then announce intentions to go for triple. Fully healed Ving will battle Pog at Vuelta
wanting to do a giro tour double is not copying anyone's footsteps. Any GT specialist will want to do the double And talking about hardest things to achieve, wout's 2021 tour- 3 stages: mont ventoux, ITT, champs elysees. Only 3 riders have pulled this off till date
Whether Vinegar is ready for the Tour or not is irrelevant. Pog is in monster form, Vinegar won't beat him. Next, as to the Double, Vinegar is forgetting one obstacle, Pogacar!
Lol, Vingegaard has been with his best friends Rasmussen and Bjorn Ris after his injury. The three musketeers have been doped to their eyeballs getting ready for the TdF.
@@davidbee8178I would actually say it's the opposite! If Jonas really puts his mind into it, his riding style would be perfect to do the double. Waiting for the high mountains only to gain advantage while saving as much energy in the other stages, while Tadej seems to have the need to attack even when he could be saving So, I think Jonas management would be perfect for the double
@@davidbee8178 i mean if he really wanted he could already have done it by winning the vuelta after the tour, but because of Jonas’s Big heart and friendship with Sepp he gave it to him, dont be silly and say that Jonas can’t do a double😅 its just so stupid and show that you are pog fanboy with hate towards Jonas 😂
@@lowliquidity that's true - but AI voicing although the recent "rage" is a monumental turn off . . . maybe he could get a better voiced friend to do the chat ? LOL
If Jonas had the right team around him and was 100% healthy, he might be able to do the Giro/Tour double. If Pogi showed up at both, I would say no, because he'd have to push too hard to win both.
I hope Jonas will be ready - crashes are SO horrible - however I'm not as optimistic as you are - I don't think that Jonas will be able to be fully competitive day in and day out for 21 days -
@@BenjaminUbayyed-po9tc The peleton has changed but not that much. Just in his last podcast Chris was saying that the watts per kilo has not changed that much.
lets be honest, Pog has had a free ride this yeah and if he wins the Giro Tour double it will be a hollow victory given he had zero competition at the Giro and his arch nemesis is very likely going to be well under his usual best.
You are delusional. Crashing is part of cycling. Or are you saying that Jonas 2023 TdF is hollow because his only competition had injury and he won it with over 7 minutes gap? Giro was easy just because Pog was there or it would be battle between 10 guys. Also last year Roglic won Giro with same level of guys, is that hollow? Gtfo
@@fangru7294 nope, just a realist. Listen, few others can compete with Jonas and Pog, Primoz is up there for sure, very close, Remco could be but we dont know yet...but theyre miles ahead of everyone else, so when the big guns race and the others aren't present then yeah, its a victory, but nobody should be under any illusions that it may have been different with the other aliens present. This works both ways, its the same for Pog, Primoz, Remco and Jonas... winning in the pro peloton is an achievement for sure, but these guys are another level, and their victories demand a little extra....its like Hinault pushing LeMond in 86, he did it for a reason...hollow victories are meaningless, the Badger knows better than you do....or was Hinault delusional too?
@@Nosh_Feratu I agree with the aliens part but I am just saying that being so much better than others does not mean its hollow victory. Even if Roglic or Remco were at Giro, Pog would still win. Also yoi are talking about Hinault but by your standards his TdF wins in 1979,81 and 82 were hollow because nobody was touching him and it eas walk in park for him.
I think it is, same as Cycling Highlights. It’s very good AI, but you can tell with the constant tone and style of speech. I’m no linguist but it’s so consistently the same, just like the other channel narrator. It’s annoying because I asked if Cycling Highlights was AI narrated, and they denied it. Maybe “they” is the AI. 🤔
@@celko889 I posted a reply before you did. It’s being suppressed so here it outta again: I think it is, same as Cycling Highlights. It’s very good AI, but you can tell with the constant tone and style of speech. I’m no linguist but it’s so consistently the same, just like the other channel narrator. It’s annoying because I asked if Cycling Highlights was AI narrated, and they denied it. Maybe “they” is the AI.
Last year, a partially prepared Pogacar almost blasted Vingegard during the first two weeks... then came the failure during the last week. At any moment, I can't imagine Vingegard beating Pogacar, Yates, Roglic or Evenepoel (mostly because to the TT).
Did You forget stage 5 ? Week one. Please watch it again Did you forget the TT Stage 16 where Jonas drove the best TT ever. 1 min 38 sec . and did you forget I am gone I am dead. stage 17.
The way I see it is, Pogi is at the top of his game right now. He was outstanding in the spring races and cruised to a win in the Giro and has a super great team on top of that. Whereas Jonas we didn't even know if he was going to race again this year until just today. His training schedule is obviously not the same, and the team has been struggling a bit as well. Who knows, maybe Visma "Lisa" bike can wow us and carry him to a win, but I doubt it this year.
Jonas didn’t destroy Tadej ! 2022 his team fell apart ! & had to battle a strong Jumbo team virtually on his own ! 2023 he had a less than perfect prep ! Blocked by a motorbike & unnecessary Bike change which cost him dearly !!
Searching for excuses like crazy😂 lets be fair tadej wrist injury didnt affect him one bit last year, and if he didnt make that bikechange he would have lost by over 2minutes😉 tadej Said himself that he is about 40seconds faster on that climb with the Road bike so just 🤫
Agree . . . if he lines up for the TDF he might do well during the initial stages but then fade - I"m sorry for him despite being a Tadej fan - crashes are SO unfortunate
He's still young, so he can bounce back. Of course so was Bernal, and he didn't bounce back, different situation, but it's possible Jonas never gets back to his winning form. I think the main problem he has is Tadej. Pogi looks amazing this year and is always going to be a rival. In my opinion, if Pogi only concentrated on the Tour (like Jonas does) he would win it against Jonas with both on the same even playing field (not hurt, solid team, peaked at the right time, etc).
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I'm psyched for the tour!!! No matter the result... It will be epic!!
When was this video made? Visma shared their roster in mid to late June... Jonas will be at the TdF. As will Wout.
I hope Jonas will be fit enough…he will be a beast if he is…
It's going to be a great race. If Jonas is in great shape, he has the team to compete with Pogi (who has the best team). If Jonas is not fit, then Sepp Kuss could step up. No matter what, Remco and Primoz will be up there and fighting hard to win.
It looks like Matteo Jorgenson would probably be the one to step up
Roglic can’t avoid the asphalt
Hot take- the actual showdown will be at the Vuelta this year. Pog will dominate tdf, then announce intentions to go for triple. Fully healed Ving will battle Pog at Vuelta
nah, he's not going to the Vuelta. He wants to win TDF, Worlds and Olympics. Don't think he'll have the legs to then go to Vuelta onto of everything
Thought they confirmed Jonas part of it
They have
They did, I pointed out the video was in production before the news came out😄 These take a bit to make, sorry for the inconvenience
@@WattsYT Dont say sorry! We all know the productions take few days before the current day!! Always enjoying your contents and your videos!!!
He should try the tour and croatia double.
Again.
wanting to do a giro tour double is not copying anyone's footsteps. Any GT specialist will want to do the double
And talking about hardest things to achieve, wout's 2021 tour- 3 stages: mont ventoux, ITT, champs elysees. Only 3 riders have pulled this off till date
Poggi has learnt from his mistakes and this time i think he has matured and more prepared...giro was a prepararion..he had no compatition at all
We'll see. Hard to find any excuses for Pog this year if he is beaten again by Jonas.
The Giro was a training camp for Pogi
Nah he’ll be beat by the end of tour
Brilliant as always.
How Can Jonas copy something pogachar has never Done?
Whether Vinegar is ready for the Tour or not is irrelevant. Pog is in monster form, Vinegar won't beat him. Next, as to the Double, Vinegar is forgetting one obstacle, Pogacar!
Vinegar indeed...
The name is Vingaagard... Vingagaard... Vinga... oh screw it, Vinegar it is 🤣
Lol, Vingegaard has been with his best friends Rasmussen and Bjorn Ris after his injury. The three musketeers have been doped to their eyeballs getting ready for the TdF.
Beating Tadej Pogacar by 7+ minutes is more impressive than blitzing a bunch of 2nd tier GC leaders
An injured, unprepared Pogacar. Ok.
jonas can absolutely do a double. but jonas only thinks about the tour
I don't think that Jonas has a double in him like Tadej has - not anymore anyway . . . after his very unfortunate crash.
@@davidbee8178 You are thinking with your heart, Pog fanboy - not your brain.
@@davidbee8178I would actually say it's the opposite! If Jonas really puts his mind into it, his riding style would be perfect to do the double. Waiting for the high mountains only to gain advantage while saving as much energy in the other stages, while Tadej seems to have the need to attack even when he could be saving
So, I think Jonas management would be perfect for the double
@@mrsewe417 guilty as charged but you ought to try it for yourself - works out more often than not ! Pogi has WAY better style LOL
@@davidbee8178 i mean if he really wanted he could already have done it by winning the vuelta after the tour, but because of Jonas’s Big heart and friendship with Sepp he gave it to him, dont be silly and say that Jonas can’t do a double😅 its just so stupid and show that you are pog fanboy with hate towards Jonas 😂
To be honest, Jonas is probably the strongest rider in the GC.
But he won't be able to win this year.
WHY the AI voice ???? Why??? can you not read from a prepared script ? HUMANS look at these videos ! why not TREAT them as such??
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Dude might have a terrible voice .. still content in a niche sport
I'm SICK of not being treated like a human. This voice is an assault on my humanity. Why won't you talk to me dadddy??
@@lowliquidity that's true - but AI voicing although the recent "rage" is a monumental turn off . . . maybe he could get a better voiced friend to do the chat ? LOL
@@guantisengkun4342 thanks ! LOL
If Jonas had the right team around him and was 100% healthy, he might be able to do the Giro/Tour double. If Pogi showed up at both, I would say no, because he'd have to push too hard to win both.
I hope Jonas is ready because Pog just stepped up not a notch but two and I"m not sure if healthy Jonas would stand a chance against Pog 2.0..
lol
Of course he has that special Jumbo Juice 💉💉💉
Chris Horner explained it better, he will be ready
horner is old school and the peleton has changed so much. he doesn't even believe in intervals. but he did suffer the same injuries
I hope Jonas will be ready - crashes are SO horrible - however I'm not as optimistic as you are - I don't think that Jonas will be able to be fully competitive day in and day out for 21 days -
@@BenjaminUbayyed-po9tc The peleton has changed but not that much. Just in his last podcast Chris was saying that the watts per kilo has not changed that much.
I can’t stand Chris. I prefer this review myself.
@@danielkaminske5048 Yeah - I am kind of turned off by Chris too - it's hard to put a why and how on it but it's just the "vibe" I guess LOL
lets be honest, Pog has had a free ride this yeah and if he wins the Giro Tour double it will be a hollow victory given he had zero competition at the Giro and his arch nemesis is very likely going to be well under his usual best.
You are delusional. Crashing is part of cycling. Or are you saying that Jonas 2023 TdF is hollow because his only competition had injury and he won it with over 7 minutes gap? Giro was easy just because Pog was there or it would be battle between 10 guys. Also last year Roglic won Giro with same level of guys, is that hollow? Gtfo
@@fangru7294 nope, just a realist.
Listen, few others can compete with Jonas and Pog, Primoz is up there for sure, very close, Remco could be but we dont know yet...but theyre miles ahead of everyone else, so when the big guns race and the others aren't present then yeah, its a victory, but nobody should be under any illusions that it may have been different with the other aliens present. This works both ways, its the same for Pog, Primoz, Remco and Jonas... winning in the pro peloton is an achievement for sure, but these guys are another level, and their victories demand a little extra....its like Hinault pushing LeMond in 86, he did it for a reason...hollow victories are meaningless, the Badger knows better than you do....or was Hinault delusional too?
@@Nosh_Feratu I agree with the aliens part but I am just saying that being so much better than others does not mean its hollow victory. Even if Roglic or Remco were at Giro, Pog would still win. Also yoi are talking about Hinault but by your standards his TdF wins in 1979,81 and 82 were hollow because nobody was touching him and it eas walk in park for him.
Is this AI commentated?
I think it is, same as Cycling Highlights. It’s very good AI, but you can tell with the constant tone and style of speech. I’m no linguist but it’s so consistently the same, just like the other channel narrator. It’s annoying because I asked if Cycling Highlights was AI narrated, and they denied it. Maybe “they” is the AI. 🤔
It is, it’s in this channel’s description.
@@celko889 I can’t listen to it. 🤖
@@celko889 I posted a reply before you did. It’s being suppressed so here it outta again:
I think it is, same as Cycling Highlights. It’s very good AI, but you can tell with the constant tone and style of speech. I’m no linguist but it’s so consistently the same, just like the other channel narrator. It’s annoying because I asked if Cycling Highlights was AI narrated, and they denied it. Maybe “they” is the AI.
@@paddymurphy-oconnor8255 it’s weird bc the “ghiro-tour double” pronunciation at around 0:42 was bad, but later on it’s all good again😅
Last year, a partially prepared Pogacar almost blasted Vingegard during the first two weeks... then came the failure during the last week. At any moment, I can't imagine Vingegard beating Pogacar, Yates, Roglic or Evenepoel (mostly because to the TT).
Did You forget stage 5 ? Week one. Please watch it again Did you forget the TT Stage 16 where Jonas drove the best TT ever. 1 min 38 sec . and did you forget I am gone I am dead. stage 17.
@@glennchristensen3674Pogačar #1
The way I see it is, Pogi is at the top of his game right now. He was outstanding in the spring races and cruised to a win in the Giro and has a super great team on top of that. Whereas Jonas we didn't even know if he was going to race again this year until just today. His training schedule is obviously not the same, and the team has been struggling a bit as well. Who knows, maybe Visma "Lisa" bike can wow us and carry him to a win, but I doubt it this year.
Jonas didn’t destroy Tadej !
2022 his team fell apart ! & had to battle a strong Jumbo team virtually on his own ! 2023 he had a less than perfect prep ! Blocked by a motorbike & unnecessary Bike change which cost him dearly !!
Searching for excuses like crazy😂 lets be fair tadej wrist injury didnt affect him one bit last year, and if he didnt make that bikechange he would have lost by over 2minutes😉 tadej Said himself that he is about 40seconds faster on that climb with the Road bike so just 🤫
Jonas will become another C.Froome, he will slowly go off the radar
Not what we wish for.
Who is we?
LMAO
Agree . . . if he lines up for the TDF he might do well during the initial stages but then fade - I"m sorry for him despite being a Tadej fan - crashes are SO unfortunate
He's still young, so he can bounce back. Of course so was Bernal, and he didn't bounce back, different situation, but it's possible Jonas never gets back to his winning form. I think the main problem he has is Tadej. Pogi looks amazing this year and is always going to be a rival. In my opinion, if Pogi only concentrated on the Tour (like Jonas does) he would win it against Jonas with both on the same even playing field (not hurt, solid team, peaked at the right time, etc).