Armored Core For Answer vs Armored Core 6
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- So I went back to play a bit of Armored Core For Answer - as one usually would - and while going through the Arena it struck me just how different it play from Armored Core 6.
I think I'm a fan more long, drawn out battles, but there's a lot of satisfaction derived from AC6's combo potential.
I think ultimately both games try to do such different things it's quite irrelevant to pit them against each other, rather they are two sides of the same coin.
Would be cool if both Arenas were a bit more challenging though...
I missed chain boosting can't lie.
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Armored Core For Answer - Scorcher
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I just hope we will have AC4A level of customization again.
I've seen a lot of people wanting FA kind of speed in AC6, but I really don't feel like it belongs outside of FA and 4. The speed of NEXTs is what made those two games unique and is what keeps people coming back to it, and I'm glad Fromsoftware preserved that by making Armored Core 6 more like the games in the third generation.
We should be thankful for really diverse takes on these games
I would like that someday we get something like 4/FA again, but AC6 is really nice meanwhile, the second best imo. I don't see the problem with them being different.
@@SilverGlint Agree
AC:FA is more movement/positioning oriented, whereas AC6 is more combo oriented. As long as my opponent isn't using X-SOMBRERO, I prefer AC;FA's combat over AC6. Both games are indeed super cool tho!
I will say, as someone who entered with 6, the HUD positioning in FA is objectively superior.
Looking to the bottom left corner for health in AC6, the bottom middle for ACS and boost, the bottom right for the really small ammo counter and overheat alert, and the position of the head buildup bar on the target lock HUD element feels awkward.
Putting it at the bottom forces them to shrink it because that's also where alot of enemies on your screen will be in PVE, that's where the ground and most environmental hazards are, and, I don't know if it's the same for everyone, but I find that with HUD at the top, I actually have better awareness.
I have over 140 hours in 6, yet I still sometimes struggle to keep track of all the information that is needed.
Watching gameplay videos of the two games, I've noted that I process the state of the POV player's AC much better in FA, despite having no experience with FA, which means the HUD is pretty well designed. Conveying information to someone who doesn't know the game better than AC6 conveys information to someone who has 100% beaten the game.
i say ac3 hud is the superior one it really gives you everything you need
This may sound weird, but I wish AC 6 have some sort of HUD customization option where players can "drag and drop" the HUD parts. Personally I still like old Gen 1-3 HUD style, bright colours and all vital info are situated at the left or right side.
And personally, I want a louder, panic inducing "generator energy depleted" alarm sound, instead of the AC 6 airline "Please Fasten Your Seat belts" chime.
i actually think both systems are fine, and think they build into the gameplay and the lore of the games, i think the reason ac4/a have their armour at the top is because it’s much more a reaction focused game, it’s higher speed, whereas ac6 seems to be a middle point between the very deliberate 1-3rd gen ac games and the speed and reaction times of 4th gen.
it’s also interesting to note that NEXTs may be faster than ac’s due to lore reasons, as NEXTs are piloted similar to the way Eva’s are piloted in evangelion, where the pilots nervous system is linked with the NEXT, whereas in other AC’s the pilot simply controls the next with manual controls (iirc, i think there’s some trickery in ac6 with coral) but this seems to be conveyed in the gameplay, where ac1-3, 5-6th gens seem way more deliberate and slow, whereas 4th gen are blindingly fast. pretty interesting
Imagine how piloting a NEXT would feel on current-gen engines... 😭😭😲. NGL, there are still aspects of ACFA that I miss so much in AC6. But I have faith Fromsoft will keep expanding on what they started with ac6.
it would have being the same but the scenery would have more stuff beyond empty desert with a few buildings or massive ocean with 6 boats
@@yokai1235 I’m mainly talking about the movement and speed, and customization options (FCS in PVP, stabilizers, overall more options). As great as AC6 is, it’s still missing certain layers of enjoyment that FA and previous entries had.
YESS!! TH-cam needs more AC4:FA content. I've been too lazy to play some lately! Awesome video!! Your AC4 build is super cool.
Thank you! Yeah I'm going to do my part and keep the old games alive too as best as I can
The pacing of FA feels fast because of the AC speed, but considering the range and higher AP + PA it's actually slower.
6 on the other hand, has slower speed, but with the reduced range and a reworked EN system, the fights are more fast-paced and methodical.
Can't really say which is better because both have their own pros and cons
Both are still cool regardless
Fights in 6 are over too quickly. It feels like the smash bros brawl of ac
AC6 AKA Stagger core 6 lol
I ain’t gon’ lie…I miss quickturning 😔
Then use it, its actually a great way to manuever when you're assault boosting.
@@gamedominatorxennongdm7956Nah, there is no need for quick-turning in AC6 cuz turning speed is universalized. I tried playing with quick-turns in AC6 for a while and I actually found it either did nothing, or actually hindered me by suddenly turning and making me lose track of my target.
@@gamedominatorxennongdm7956 it feels like ass and doesn't work properly lol
Preach brother!
I wish there weren’t different publishers for the last batch of AC games (SEGA, Ubisoft) as it makes me think For Answer could’ve gotten put on Xbox Series X via BC, but I could be wrong about that as V and Verdict Day didn’t make the cut either.
Ironically, I believe the two games that are the LEAST LIKELY to be remade is those of 4th gen for that exact reason: Publisher rights.
Its weirder still in that From has publishing rights in JP, just not anywhere else?
@@kyokyodisaster4842copyright laws
The speed & control in FA will always be top tier to me. If only AC6 was faster & had better quick boosting similar to AC:FA.
usethe NEXT movement regulatioin mod from nexus!
@@mauauauauaua14mods don’t count
@@mauauauauaua14 I am on console 😩
I like 4 and FA remaining unique in the franchise for their style of gameplay. It keeps people coming back to those games and I feel like if 6 has done that instead of returning to Nexus and Last Raven style gameplay, it would've taken away from that.
I really hope we get some sort of collection/remaster for previous AC's.
I wanna play ac4a so bad
i've only played ac6, and i fell like acfa looks more interesting to me
there is this game called project nimbus it plays like for answer but doesn't have the same level of customization
@@yokai1235 I heard its more like what Daemon x Machina was supposed to be
Daemon X Machina is the AC game before AC6 for PC. Excellent game
AC6 has better combat and mission designs but ACFA has better weapon variety, fast pace, customisations
I love AC6, and it's my personal GOTY. But I much prefer the combat in 4A. The speed, lack of lock on so outmanouvering is actually possible, ranges being much longer, the general power fantasy of it... it all just hits the right spot for me. I also really don't like how heavily 6 leans on the stagger mechanic and Assault Boosting.
Hopefully we'll get a sequel to 6 that will fine tune the combat, and give us more part variety.
now if just ze Music fer AC6 like AC4/ACV...
I find it genuinely impressive that FromSoft have made 7 completely different generations (if you separate 3 and 3.5) of a game that are all extremely good in their own way. Other series have clear "best" and "worst" entries, and usually they're just evolutions on the same formula, but every Armored Core has such distinct layers surrounding the same core game.
And I love that they made their comeback game one that fans of any previous entry could enjoy. You want the crazy fun speed of the 4th gen? Here you go!
100% wrong. It's 6 Gens, has clear best and worst entries & same formula different execution.
If they remaster FA with pc, take my money!
Bro you gotta play the NEXT movement and tuning mod in AC6 if you haven't
Does it have chain boosting?
@@SilverGlintyes
@@SilverGlint yes
AC6 is a big improvement. The speed in For Answer was cool but it also made the game feel kind of one note. The combat is AC6 is slower but much more dynamic.
Na speed ftw
@@denisn8336 fr 🗣️🔥🔥
This is absolutely false. People used slow heavy builds all the time it just required skill and not only that but the in game regulations could be changed to make the game play almost exactly like the earliest games in the franchise. You don’t know what you’re talking about
@@denisn8336 yes. Speed. Skill. Aggression
@@FlatEarthAdministratorBut speed builds were favored. One of the memes in the fandom used to be how useless tank legs were due to their low maneuverability, so most of the builds you'd see in fights were either light to midweight bipedal builds. It isn't nessessarily a bad thing, but to a casual audience it would suck if you're new to build crafting and learn that a build you stuck with most in the main campaign isn't viable for a lot of the online matches.
So this ac6 we got in 2023 was the result after 7 years of development in the between releases of sekrio and elden ring
It would be correct to assume so yes!
If you look at the franchise as a whole, it is VERY clear that NEXT's and 4th gen were an anomoly and maybe it should stay that way. I personally like how 6 feels a bit like a return to form, a more refined version between 3rd and 5th gen and finally the melee combat is SOO much more viable now (and pretty fun too).
Gen 4 and 5 are both highly experimental and *the anomaly*, I personally favor gen 3, particularly AC3 and SL - as the best vision the series had so far, whilst admittedly being far inferior to its successors in terms of fun engaging combat. I love them all, and I appreciate what all of them do differently, 6 treads a fine balance between all of them not just the old format, it's more of a melting pot of all the generations feature wise, whilst borrowing from it's cousin franchise (Dark Souls) in some aspects. AC6 Stands tall as its own thing however, yet another example of how stellar the dev team is in bringing all these different interpretations of a single concept come to life so effortlessly.
Honestly, ideally I would love a version of AC6 that plays more into AC4 territory, with AC5's multiplayer features, AC1's unforgiving and obscure world building and progression mechanics and 3rd Gen's immense customization options and visual mech design!
I like the speed and mecha design of AC4 and the AC5 world and BGM, I don't dislike AC6 but it wasn't my favorite armored core. Translation used.
The one thing I don't like in AC6 is the stagger ACS mechanic. Which is a shame as it could have been the best game ever for me, but the gameplay is way too centralized around said mechanic, which limits competitive diversity.
Nothing will ever compare to ac4a it’s the absolute pinnacle of the franchise and as a 10 year veteran I look at this footage and gameplay you provide and know our skill will never be seen again. You don’t know and will never know what Gods of battle once existed…. The truth is beyond your comprehension
Definitely living up to your name with this 4chan level bad take
@@NuclearRizzicist like I said the truth is beyond you. If you know you know
@@FlatEarthAdministrator the truth is that you're nostalgia blinded and living up to your name. Both games have their own unique skills required, as well as their own skill ceilings. Being unable to see that basic comparison a toddler could make just tells everyone that being capable of basic thought is beyond your comprehension.
@@NuclearRizzicist we were pilots and you are only a player. The fact that you don’t know the difference is only proof of what you will never understand. Run along boy back to your delusions of grandeur
@@NuclearRizzicistyou know there is no points arguing with Fa fanboy
Both games have their place.
Gen4 was an experiment for speed.
Gen6 is an experiment for onboarding (I hope that's all it amounts to, and its bare-bones design doesn't become the future of the series)
But we must all admit, the PS2 era was the best era.
3 and SL are my favorites hands down
"I GOT STRONG HANDS" 🗣🔥🔥
At times it feels like AC6 is on rails.. Hopefully they incorporate the more manual and technical way of control to the AC6.5!
Same
If there is a weapon I don't miss from AC4FA its the scatter missiles. AC4FA was so fast that most weapon bullet speed could barely keep up with the ACs speed.
Honestly compared to 6 everything hits funny enough, I don't think there's a single weapon except rockets that doesn't land its shots
notice how he used the for answer song for both gameplay
yeah I mean it would be jarring to just cut a song in half for a 3 minute video
@@SilverGlint you could've just faded the song into mute, then played the ac6 arena song.
I've tried for answer now, it feels clunky and impossible to control. I just cannot grip the controller.
pros and cons i feel. FA made lighter ACs way faster and more useful than lightweights in AC6, but AC6 makes melees more useful than FA
they do play differently though, a bit shameful for me to say, but the tutorial heli took me 3 tries when i first started out. mostly because i'm used to ACFA controls and pressed wrong buttons a lot
easy game when you get the controls though
Melee was broken in fa lmao you had to build four it though.
Melee was absolutely bonkers strong in FA, what are you smoking. In AC6 heavies and short range weaponry reign supreme.
I do prefer how melee is in 6 to how it was in FA, but it was much stronger in FA if played well.
@@osakanone Yoo yoo chill you two, melee wasn't that great when I played It, but I only played in 1.00, so I think maybe he did not play with the same rules that you two same as me. I heard a lot that blade meta was real at some point but in the last regulations I think.
0:59 Super Saiyan moment
Can't lie, I was surprised I managed those many second stages
@@SilverGlint impressive, ngl.
I actually disagree. 4 & FA I couldn't get into. But 6. OMG Armored Core is back. I actually wonder if AC6 actually came out a year later (like usual) instead of YEARS later, would I have loved it like I do now or is it the memories of AC plus the comeback the reason I love it?
I like ac6 because I finally can see what im shooting at
I dislike 6 because it's claustrophobic.
I dislike that in 6 our super advanced space technology mechs can only engage targets at a range of
@@ReelRaiour ac is just you know an ac, sure its advanced by our tech but not their tech, like sportcar or humvee, and mt is just your regular car. Its just a regular better death machine. Bazooka and missiles has long range but you gotta use manual aim. the only thing that super advanced space technology mech in ac6 universe are the ibis series, those c-weapon and laser weapon. Maybe you need more software or more hardware to aimbot more than 300m, and bigger weapons to shoot more than 300m like the satellite or that cannon from ice worm which need the entire space port power to shoot so it can penetrate the ice worm (btw it's c-weapon too) shield but our ac can't handle those weapons
Best argument against 4A 😂
Wait you can see what you're shooting? I can only if it's a C Weapon.
AC:FA's level of customization and less important about staggering your opponent ASAP really makes me think AC6 could've done better. Don't get me wrong, I like AC6, but seeing the older gens able to have such dynamic is just....
Does ACFA and AC4 have lock-on? Similar to 6 or something, the older armored cores i've tried (ps2 ones) didnt have it at all and I couldnt make my mind to play them
While not quite the same AC4 and FA have very similar lock on styles to 6 indeed!
@@SilverGlint it seems it's time to dust off my old PS3 😎
i love this narrative, now try making one for 5th gen games XD
I would if I didn't suck at them, I would be doing a disservice to high level 5th gen play, it would look boring when in fact it's great
@@SilverGlint When i heard that AC6 was being made, i did a marathon of the previous titles.
But instead of going to 4th gen when it was its turn, i went for 5th gen instead and appreciated it more. The structure of V in particular isn't something I'm fold of. Reminds me of AA or Nexus. But the weighty ninja like wall kicking shoulder weapon missing junk bots of 5th gen have a certain charm to them.
@@eyescreamsandwitch52
When Chole explained that V had 100+ missions, I feel the comparison to Another Age is more than an apt descriptor. You will find SOMETHING to like in that game, but like Another Age don't expect perfection forever.
Quantity and Quality and all that...
@@kyokyodisaster4842 played both, and both felt the same, V had more "arenas" compared to AA which has a sudden appearance from OG nine ball but its the same white noise of bite sized missions overall.
@@SilverGlint 5th gen are absolute trash
I prefer ac6 more close ranged combat
I mean, I think we can objectively say some things are better. I'm not a big fan of 4th gen's HUD but it's better than 6's, which seems to be universally disliked for how hard it is to read information. The controls are also a lot tighter and allow for a significantly higher skill ceiling. 6's absolute dependence for all combat to revolve around the stagger meter is frankly.. a trash design choice, in my opinion. Seems some people like it. But I think 6 dips a bit too far into typical arcadey Bandai mecha fare and doesn't stick to the grittier feel that the franchise traditionally is known for. And then of course tuning is basically absent in the game, with whatever they put in there instead being more like a leveling up system which in no way reflects the original concept.
But those are all somewhat small issues, aside from my distaste for the stagger mechanic. I think 6 really trips over and falls when it comes to its levels. There's just no good PvP maps at all in the game. I really, really didn't like 5th gen, but they gave us a damn lot of really interesting maps to fight on and in 6 the levels seem to be an after thought versus the backgrounds. Like the game was designed to appeal more to the people watching the streams than to the people actually playing the game. It's really hard to go hours on end in PvP in 6 like we could in 4th or 5th gen. I wonder sometimes if that's because VD is still actively being played and they didn't want to have two AC games competing with each other for the same niche. But I think 6 will have a hard time keeping its player pop both high and happy over an extended period of time because of its absolute dedication to the campaign to the total detriment of the multiplayer aspect.
Maybe with the sequel to 6 we'll see that fixed. It's kind of unfair for us to judge when we're comparing a sequel like For Answer, which fixed so many of 4's initial issues.
after playing AC4 and FA, I definitely prefer those two over 6 any day, they feel fluent and proper when it comes to movement and controls. Meanwhile 6 feels clunky and its AC vs AC battle feels more like "you get caught in the combo, you lose" which is boring and annoying
tbh prefer ac4FA in customization like dual wield blade and the side shoulder weapon,combat pretty good for both AC4FA and AC6 but in term of speed prefered ac4fa fast movement and mech looks/design.
i dont know how someone can go from 4 to 6 and then think that 6's combat is better when its so one dimensional and funneled it makes me sick.
There are things about it that are better, it's not so cut and dry in my opinion
My only issue with ac6 is how the generator is just a stamina bar, it deostn feel unique to armored core, it feels a renamed stamina from dark souls.
Honestly I think this is the best implementation of energy in these games, generators are really unique and the only thing missing is cooling, but that's my personal preference
My man, have you seen the 1-3 gen AC games?!! Dark souls took their stamina bar from Armored core. AC franchise was a actually a large inspiration for the soulsborne design yet sadly remained unknown for a long time.
I bought for answer for 70 bucks gonna get like 100 hours on it and sell for profit 🤑🤑🤑
I don't like fast Armored Core. AC4 and 4A are actually the outlier. AC6 is closer to form.
Yes 4th gen are the outlier, but 6 is also an outlier
@@SilverGlint more like a lobotomy