Can you run a hydraulic auger with a compact tractor? Land Pride SA20 Low-Flow
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- Land Pride SA20 front hydraulic post auger on a Kubota B2650 cab tractor.
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Congrats to the new owner! My dream tractor! Great video Neal and awesome demonstration of the new land pride skidsteer mounted post hole auger
Great video as always Neil. TY for the explanation of the 3rd function. I never understood what the difference was until you explained it the way you did. Surprised the auger didn't spin faster. Looks like it does a good job if you have nothing but dirt, but at that speed might have some issues in a rocky terrain. Thanks again for the video.
You did leave out one big advantage of a hydraulic driven auger. They can be reversed. If the flights from the bit get caught under a rock and stuck just reverse the direction of the bit and screw it back out.
Yes it does.
The thing I find interesting is my tractor got down pressure 3point and the option of putting the PTO off the trans, making it turn background if in reverse.
I learn on that old Mtz and lots of what it do is not standard on most tractor.
Exactly. That was the number one reason for use transitioning to a hydraulic auger vs a traditional PTO auger. Our area is very rocky and you're constantly hanging up a PTO auger on a rock and it's hard as heck to get it unstuck. With the hydraulic auger, you just reverse and back it out easily.
Thanks for doing this, We have been getting questions on this very often.
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Hey Mike- I bought a 23s from you in Burlington about a year ago. I have some holes to dig in the rain storm this weekend to build a handrail for a neighbor who was recently in the hospital. I would love to demo this in the rock of the upper Skagit if you have one at one of your stores. I've been reluctant to pursue a three point auger, but this looks very interesting to me.
Very interesting video. Thank you
While I can see some people wanting this in ranch applications where you are altering fence lines occationally, for it's cost I'd think the vast majority of tractor owners would still be a lot better off renting a hydraulic auger when the need arrises. I rented a towable hydraulic auger from the Homedepot for a about $150 for a full weekend and drilled about 300 holes to set up 5 acres of horse pastures. If you mark out your holes before you rent it and then just go to town drilling you get a lot of holes dug quick. Seems like this would be a fairly expensive attachment that the majority of people would never need to use regularly...but it's still a cool toy I guess.
I think you missed the part about having the weight and downforce of the loader. A 3 point PHD has only the weight of the auger and no downforce so if it hits rock, it's just going to sit there and spin and not dig not to mention you can reverse the hydraulic auger if you get it stuck. With a 3 point pto driven auger, you're either gonna have to dig the dirt off the top or manually turn the bit backwards...neither of which are very fun.
@@zaappp1588I agree that having the weight of the loader and the ability to push down while drilling is nice. But I didnt mean to suggest a 3 point augers at all. I suggest renting a hydraulic stand alone auger for those setting up a property. I've used the 3 point augers and unless you are in a rock free area they are annoying to use. Stand alone hydraulic augers are the same as this attachment and smaller footprint than this unit attached to the tractor. The one I rented looked like a mini skid steer with the auger attached to the front. This is a cool piece of kit...just not usually useful once people set up their property and the fences are done.
@@erikniemi1977 I have seen some "towable" augers with an auger head on one end of a frame and a handlebar on the other end like a seesaw with no downforce other than what a person could apply. I assumed that's what you meant.
It sounds like you're talking about something like a Toro Dingo or Boxer or Bobcat MD.
I've used those before with limited success. They still don't handle rocks well and you are more limited on your hole depth than with a tractor or skid steer.
Around here, you can rent a skid steer auger to use on a tractor for around $100/day or $245/week plus tax/ins. etc. Auger bits rent for about $25/day and $70/week.
As long as you have a third function or can run it off your rear remotes then that's about the cheapest way to go.
We have decided to buy a front end loader hydraulic auger. The main reason is we cannot rent a mini loader with an auger easily as they can't be rented out locally. Previously we rented a loader with an auger and it costs a bit over $1500 a week. They can be rented for $300 a day. The auger driver and bit will cost us about 3500 fitted. So its expensive. However we will have continued use from it over time, digging holes for trees in our orchard. We balanced up the cost of renting a skid steer for two weeks for $2500. against the cost of buying the driver and auger for $1000 more and we decided to buy.
RENTING hydraulic equipment can CONTAMINATE your hydraulic system with whatever fluid or contaminates the previous users had.
I'm putting this attachment on the list too!😉
Thanks Neil! You're the reason I bought a Kubota as my first (hopefully only) tractor. BX23S, love it!
Nice setup.
Good video as always. As with anything, having options is always good. I have a 3 pt phd on my b2650 here in the granite state. Love it. Imo, pros for the loader phd for downward thrust & reverse the direction of the auger~~~ Cons- very slow, can't see how a bigger auger would even operate, limiting the actual phd to smaller holes. I can also easily see rolling a tractor after getting the auger stuck trying to lift it out of the ground instead of reversing for any inexperienced operators.
Love your vids. Lots of Great info. Wish you were in Upstate SC to shop for my new tractor.
Thanks for the information video. I personally drilled 100's of post holes in my younger life. Personally if I can drill a proper hole in less than 5 minutes, it still beats more than an hour of hard physical work. A compact tractor is not a 100 hp skid steer.... but a 100 hp tractor could pile drive your posts. Maybe a lower geared gear box could be a solution... just my thoughts
glad he let you show us thanks
Nice ..... 5 star Video as aways !
Hey Neil, I have a B3350 with a Landpride HD-35 auger. The speed at which yours just spun and my HD-35 spins is nearly identical.
Great video Neil! By the way what’s the implement cost?
I made my own from a used hydraulic motor. It spins quite a bit faster. I also want it off the side of the loader because many holes I need are for replacing posts at an existing fence. The centered diggers make it a PITA. I run it off the curl circuit. That's good enough. My auger is a tiny bit undersized for the post size. I push the posts in with my forks when all the holes are drilled. Done .
Ive had one for years , couldn't even buy a setup at the time , i made one for the front but run of the rear hydraulics , ive drilled 2.7metre deep 450mm holes with a ck22 kioti 😁
I've had mine for about a year with a 9" bit. I've been running it on my BX23S. I'm using a Kubota diverter kit, not a true 3rd function. Judging from the video, I would say the speed is about the same. It definitely goes slow but it still gets the job done. Much safer and more convenient than a 3 point mounted. Plus with a BX you can drill deeper holes. Just be sure to have rear ballast or you will tip forward.
Gene Sanders what model with the BX23? Also, what happen if you get stuck on a rock?
Mine is the SA20 with the low flow motor. The same one that Neil is showing in the video. I found that if you get stuck, just reverse it. Also in harder soil sometimes you have to clean out the flights 2 to 3 times. I've never really found that be a problem though.
Interesting to know. I'm looking at the BX2680 as my first tractor on a 1 acre property, on occasion would need to dig new post holes. The ground here is pretty hard, I've dug hundreds by hand over the years, but getting a tractor gives me the option to get some attachments to make life easier. So, I'd suspect buying a hydraulic auger would be a great way to go over buying the PTO type as the hydraulic is easier to hookup and use....I'm not in a hurry so if it turns slower, and takes longer who cares, its easier and less back breaking than trying to dig by hand.
Looking at the BX2680 with fast attach loader, roto-tiller, and box blade for now, but once you get the tractor your world of attachments is wide open within reason of your tractor's capability of course....only having an acre of land limits the size of the tractor that I need of course but I feel the sub-compact would be more than plenty. I just need something with a loader and ability to grade and level my driveway and roto-till and be able to regrade areas out in the field. Its not much but a riding lawnmower can't do any of that LOL.
@@genesanders1468 do you still have your sa20? I have a bx2680 and am thinking of getting one
@@hayesunified3670 yes I do! I still love it as much as the day I got it.
Well with the bobcat coupler and higher flow rates Leeds this to be better for a skid steer but I'm willing to watch and see how this goes.
That would be one funny post. Gotta drill them straight
Love your videos, where's the utility paint marks. 😉
I’d be curious if the cost would be worth it versus renting a skid steer with an auger for a week. A front mount auger would definitely be useful. The only downside is I usually carry the posts on my forks :)
I wish they would make a switch to make a 3 point have down force and floating. I have hard clay soil, and i cant even get a subsoiler to sink further than 3inches
Can you tell the MSRP on the implement- if bought separately?
WOW dirt with no rocks, wonder if that thing works in rocky soil ?
So at the end of the day is this recommended for a B2650? Understand it may run slower.... does it have the power to drill through heavier soils?
Neil, what's your opinion on the new Land Pride SA10 hydraulic skid steer auger that can mount on the pallet fork frame? I think it is 6-8 gal/min for B and BX
How do they do in really rocky soil? Glacial till: lots of round rocks from 2 to 7".
I've heard some 3rd functions are limited on their flow. Are you able to tell me what the flow would be through my Landpride 3rd function (380-166a) on my Kubota MX5200?
It looks like it doesn't want to be straight and plumb. I have "issues" with the three point in one axis but there is no left and right tilt. How do you keep that under control?
Neil - I've noticed over time with your videos (which I enjoy) that with each new video, it seems to me, you can call out Messick's phone number just a bit faster than the last time.
Nice video
I gave stumps I need taken out
I wonder if they make a stump planer instead of auger
My tractor only has 2,975 psi and 11 gallons per minute though
BaumaLight makes a stump planer if you have access to a skidsteer. Check out this video that we shot with it. th-cam.com/video/Wct0MPxecLY/w-d-xo.html
Will this model work well on mx5400?
This is obviously an old video but.... You mentioned torque limits on bigger augers. Can you start with a smaller auger and step up to bigger diameters to mitigate the torque loss?
A lot quicker than hand digging! Are there other size augers or just one size?
its a 2" hex shaft, dozens of choices.
This implement are available for the m5-111 tractor?
Hello had a random question. Is there a EGR on that b2650? Thanks good video 👍🏻
No
What I learned most from this is that Rocks don't exist where Messicks is at. Around here its one solid piece of basalt bedrock about 30" down.
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What is the cost of the SA20 unit you have in the video?
How do I find out if my third function is the better one? It was installed when I got a Grapple bucket. I have no idea if it will run a hydraulic motor. My tractor is a TA33DA. Also, that was running no more than half the speed of the one on our old AC D-14 which was 8 inch PTO driven. BTW, open a store in central or northern CT. sdh in CT
If you can operate the third function (open/close grapple, spin the auger bit) while curling the bucket, then it's true 3rd function. If you have to stop curling, then flip a switch or press a button to change the joystick's "curl" over to "open", then it's a diverter....you're diverting the curl function into open grapple function.
I wonder how much an auger would be for my m100
It looks like the vertical indicator needs to be two-axis. While you were vertical in one axis it appeared you were going in quite crooked in the other axis.
There is one on both sides
There's a left/right pivot that the motor hangs from. Lifting the bucket slightly allows gravity to center it left/right. The indicator is so you get the curl angle correct.
Hope you made call to dig first. :) Great video as always!
Is there attachment you can put on the tractor for higher flow of hydraulic fluid
3pt hydraulic pump unit.
Interesting. Will the auger work in clockwise and anticlockwise directions. The pto version could get stuck as pto only rotates one direction
Yes it does.
How does the solenoid on the third function valve hold up? Does it get to hot? My only concern is premature failure to the solenoid with constant on. Why not run it off a rear remote?
For periodic use like this, you would not have a problem. Attachments like a trencher or rotary cutter could cause some heat concerns.
what is the minimum/maximum flow and pressures needed to run this implement? i have an 11.5 gpm PTO mounted pump and 3 point mounted hydro reservoir that i would like to try to power something like that.
There are motor options. The low flow one is 6-15. Your PTO pump would be perfect.
Just a quick question here Neil. Do you know if there is aauxillary hydraulic pump that is driven from the mid PTO?
Never seen one. Not enough room for a tank.
Can this mount up to my m 7060?
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Neil, I assume the hydraulic implement pump is the flow rate of concern with one of these. I've seen a couple of folks on TH-cam using the Sa20 with a B2650 (one fellow was even using the mid-range motor instead of the low flow motor, and it worked fine in the soil he was playing in). I'm not familiar with the implement flow on the B2650; how does it compare with the L2501? I'm wondering if the 2501 can handle one of these even though its implement pump claims to be a hair over 5 gpm.
This was my question as well. I am currently shopping for a tractor and I am trying to decide what implements I want and what tractor I need to run them. Originally I planned on an 3pt auger. But after watching this video, I'm thinking that may not be the best plan.
Why doesn't he answer such a crucial question?
What would be a good flow rate for an auger mounted on a tractor as you show? Say 15.9 gpm? Or more? What about an aux hydraulic power pack on back of three point? How much gpm can they add and can that setup work?
For the low-flow motor like this one 6-15 gpm.
It would be great to see a side by side race to a 3 point
Why can't there be an accessory hydraulic pump off the front or mid PTO just for the attachment. Then you run it just like a shaft driven implement.
That's an option off the rear. You need room for a reservoir
Neil, would a L6060 run this any better? I can't find how many GPM it has out of the third function? Seriously considering one!
Faster, yes
I thought the pump on tractors would not allow for powering hydraulic motors? Especially 3rd function valves.
you can. There would be heat dissipation concerns if you had an attachment than ran non-stop. For example a Titan Trailblazer... not a great choice on a 3rd function.
For something that runs so extremely slow like an auger motor, and for relatively short periods of operation, it's not a problem.
It's definitely better than post hole diggers.
Can I get this auger in the U.K.?
The bucket arms move in an arc. Without moving the tractor the hole is not straight vertical. Can you move the tractor while drilling to keep the hole straignt?
its kinda hard to explain, but once its started it wants to stay straight. So either move the tractor or roll the bucket to keep it where it wants to be.
what to do when the auger grabs and starts driving itself into the ground? Is there a reverse of the auger direction
on a hydraulic one, yes you can reverse it. You can't with a PTO.
It’s got reverse too right? So if you start getting screwed down you can reverse it? Unlike some PTO that may only go one way and not stop until it stalls out.
Yes
Messick's Equipment that’s what I thought. I’d like a 3pt bitch version because they are way cheaper but I’ve watched some videos on how once they hook they’ll just keep going. I have to do some fence posts in the woods and know I’m going to have a hell of a time with tree roots if I don’t get one I can unscrew if needed.
Can you run a ditch trencher with the front of a tractor
Yea, but it would make a lot of heat.
Compact Tractors have quite small hydraulic pump's, I've seen them wear out in under 500 hours due to being overworked with demands of a Loader and 4 in1 bucket.... An Auger would also give the pump a hard time I imagine.
The pumps are low flow... but wearing out? We'd sell 1000 tractors\year and I would not agree with that.
I like it , , , , I install flag poles . . .production dont matter . . .I make lots on money on one a day . . .I do not need high RPM nor do I want to use it more than once a day . . I like to earn my day pay and do it right and go home.. My loader is low volume PSI and best to not rush it . . . if I was in fencing . . .i would not get this . .I will look for one to buy
Why not run a longer line to the rear remotes for more flow and no need for 3rd /diverter?
That's how it was done a decade ago. This is nicer to use, no flow difference.
Hi Neil - not sure if you will see this but I would interested in seeing an SA10 in action on a BX if you are looking to add more content. Thanks.
New model. We have them in order but have not gotten any yet.
@@MessicksEquip I would be interested to know if the SA10 motor is compatible with the Artillian frame too… if you can do a video on it!
@@whiskeycreek4038 No, the frames are not the same. It would not be hard to do, but not out of the box.
@@MessicksEquipHi Neil, test the SA10 yet? Looks like 6-8 gal/min, perfect for B or BX.
@@sameagletheregal8526 I have not, but you are correct. Perfect for a BX.
Hi Neil, Thanks for sharing this. I've had my eye on the SA20 auger for some time and needed proof that a b2650 could handle it. Could you tell me which SA20 motor option you were using in this video? The Land Pride website appears to offer different motor to match your hydraulic flow.
Low-flow one. 6-15 i think?
Could this be use to reduce/remove stumps?
No
Does the bx23s have enough flow for this?
BX 23 has a flow rate of 5.5 GPM. It, if the dialogue in the video is correct, should.
Mine works great.
How is it in rocky soil?
@@velomaxx Lucky guy! You should have fun & be productive with that rig! Mind sharing what other attachments you're using on it?
Could you run the auger off of one of the hydraulic remotes on the rear?
With long hoses, yes
Have a friend that does that on a bigger tractor, he took a 3pt auger he already had and converted it to hydraulic drive using a reel drive motor off a grain head then built a mount for it that slides into a 2" receiver hitch tube on his loader bale spear.
That's exactly how we do it. We didn't have any aux remotes on the loader, so we got a couple of 20 ft hoses with our auger and plug it into a set of remotes in the back.
upupaepops I have been thinking about doing this. I am guessing that you dump the return directly into the hyd fill hole. Does your setup have both forward and reverse? Thanks!
I use a m 70 60 at work almost daily we have a front quick hitch auger for the loader and it spins just a crumb faster than the little b you are showing honestly you can hardly tell the difference so I’m assuming that no matter what size tractor you use it is gonna be wayyyy slower that the flow on a skid steer?
Unless you use a low flow one, I would usually choose torque over speed.
Perfect option...found a local dealer.
How many HP does that tractor have? Would my B 2601 handle that?
26, yes.. would work on your tractor
Would it be able to cut at 14 inch hole
Depends on the soil, probably...
Call before you dig?
Hello Mr. George... haha
Would the SA20 work on a B2601?
Yes
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And north WI.
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When are they going to raise the flow on tractors?
They would need to increase hp for that to happen.
Modern compact tractor have a lot of flow even when compared to older large tractor like a super major
They make pto hydro pumps with tank that can run high flow.
Warsign01 : yes, I’ve seen those. They’re expensive and cumbersome. Plus they mount right where my backhoe is. I love my backhoe but would REALLY love it more if the tractor could provide it more flow.
(L3301 w/ BH77)
@@stephengmeiner3264 older Kubota backhoe had a pto pump but then you don't have any pto power available, flow=hp
While I understand that more flow would require more HP, I marvel at how fast and smooth a 35 HP excavator works compared to a backhoe on the back of a 35 HP tractor.
I remember somewhere they drilled a hole so deep, I mean really deep, I mean deep. Lowered a microphone in to it and they claim the sound they recorded was like people screaming!! On a note on the video I think it would have been cool to see a skid steer do the same hole and see a unit more made for this use drill a hole. Thanks for the video.
Will this work on a BX?
There is a Sa10 that would.
Are you on a CNG easement?
Yea, no. That would be unfortunate 🤣
will this go through tree roots?
Small ones.
I have the same setup on a L4600, it is better than a 3pl auger, but the downside of this setup is if the auger starts drilling to the side you can't counteract it.
Everything Earthmoving I think you just talked me out of buying one. I would like to have a front mounted post driver, but my L4240 is too small.
flow=RPM, pressure=torque
We use a skidsteer because it has more power
Is it an illusion in this video, or is that augur not plumb?
Illusion.look at power pole
@@joebowd4726 Good reference.
Could you use the backhoe hydraulics for more flow and plumb it up to the front?
Yea, but you would not have significantly more flow
If you have a backhoe, there's a way to attach the auger motor to the backhoe in place of the backhoe bucket. A huge amount of flexibility in that arrangement, but I'm not sure about height clearance. You can swing the boom left and right, drill two holes without moving the tractor.... :)
How about a T-Post driver?
He effectively let you unbox and take the plastic wrap off this thing.
Are there options to increase the flow on a smaller rig in order to run better?
Pilger pumps and hoses would be my guess
Before investing in any post hole drill you got to check your ground conditions, most are useless in any type of shale or rocky soil , I tried and ended up disappointed and just selling it. If you can't dig the hole by hand with a digging bar and shovel you won't dig it with one of these.
Actually.. before investing in any hole drill you want to rent one XD
you can get rock cutting augers. they will be very slow and probably the bit will cost more than the rest of the device
Depends on the bit. We have a rock bit on ours due to the rocky conditions we live in.
i've been thinking of building one of these but buying might be a better way to go. what do these cost?
you'll need to call and talk though the options. Several choices for motor flow, augers, mounts, etc.
That black auger would match MF Red much nicer
Yeh - a tiller video would be great but you can only ask so much from the owner.. Thanks take care
I would rather use a 3 point post driver.....
Looks like he had to drill a hole on the side of this hill because his loader arms weren’t tall enough to drill on level ground.
Plenty tall, went here because it was convenient. For smaller tractors still, there are shorter augers.
Awfully small auger width