This was the best of the trilogy in my humble opinion. It was a great origin story! Plus, Batman didn't have as much of a stupid ass growly voice like in the later ones.
No, it's the first good film in the franchise where the material is taken seriously, first film to be a character study of the title protagonist. It is not the best Batman film. The best Batman film is BY FAR and away, The Dark Knight. An instant modern classic.
Lastly, the Tumbler only jumps over a couple of roofs, but this is hardly a problem because everything the car does in the film, it can do in real life. You can check this out at Car Sensation and read the blueprints if you want to verify it. Why is Batman blowing up potentially occupied cars in the tunnels in The Dark Knight any less problematic than clipping a few cop cars in the chase scene in Begins?
And in regards to the "montages vs scenes". Batman Begins is amazingly well paced and the flash backs, montages are an excellent form of story telling.
Thanks! Dude, he drops mines out of the back of the Batmobile. Cop cars flip up into the air and turn over! How do you do that and yet somehow keep the safety of the occupant in mind?
Agree with you again! Sorry if I'm commenting too much. I'm binge watching your channel. The night before I saw Batman Begins, I saw that someone gave it 2 out of 4 stars in USA Today. And I tried not to let that bias my opinion, and I don't think it did. I wanted to like this movie, but I just didn't get it at all. Someone asked me after what I thought of the movie on a scale of 1 to 10, and I gave it a 6. The movie begins with Bruce Wayne in some prison in the middle of nowhere, and I was like "What?" And the rest of the movie was just as perplexing for me...seemed like Batman spent as much time fighting with the cops as he did the villains in the movie, and that ending was so confusing...everyone got exposed to Scarecrow's nerve gas, and we learned earlier that Rachel could've been permanently damaged without the cure. We never see those millions of people being helped...what happened to them? And microwaving the water supply so you can spread nerve gas? Why not just have a nerve gas bomb or something? Sounds very Wiley Coyote if you ask me. They waited 8 years to release another Batman movie, had an amazing cast and an amazing director, and that was the best that they could do? It wasn't until I watched The Dark Knight that I was like, "Aha! This is a brilliant Batman series!" But it was never really a brilliant trilogy. The whole trilogy is buoyed by the amazing second film, and the first and third movie are in the OK to "pretty good but not great range." And good call on the train! I never noticed it missing from The Dark Knight, but good riddance! The second film was much better without it! One more thing, I'm not sure what David S. Goyer's involvement in the story was. Jonathan and Christopher Nolan are credited as screenwriters for both Batman Begins and Dark Knight, and Goyer is credited for "story." Maybe it took them a while to hit their stride...I don't know...
I think you're too focused on the script. Yeah, it's not very good, but it's just one factor of the movie. BB's approach to the character is innovative; Batman had never been taken this seriously or imagined in this kind of gritty world on film before. To write off the rest of the movie because of some plot holes is just flippant. It's in no way "terrible".
I am trying my damndest to be cautiously optimistic. There are things about it that don't fill me with confidence, but I trust Nolan, and I think Zack Snyder has good movies in him, they just don't come out very often.
Batman begins was awesome, it washes down the bad taste of Batman and Robin. I know this is blasphemy to some but I prefered this movie than the Dark Knight.
+JReed1985 The actual blasphemy (against Batman and comic books) is saying The Dark Knight is a good Batman or a comic book movie. It is great as a movie but not as a Batman film.
I'm with you there. I'm not a big fan of 3D, either. Yes, I think a lot of theaters are showing all three films on the first night. So far as I know, however, I'll only be going to see DKR.
I totally agree with You on Superman returns and Dark Knight. However,I disagree with you on Batman Begins. Look, Superman the movie had a ridiculous plot but remember it's a comic book movie. Lex Luthor real estate plan was kinda stupid in Suprman returns also. Batman Begins brought Batman back to his true Character. Also, Liam Neeson was great in this film.
I didn't think the Year One movie was so good. It was such a flat, literal adaptation that it felt like a table read illustrated with animation most of the time.
I enjoyed watching your review but have to disagree. I think Batman begins is the best Batman film to date. I find repeat viewing of the Dark knight just reveals more things that bug me. But Heath Ledger was incredible. Can`t see him in there anywhere..Just the Joker. The Dark Knight Rises while having one of films best fight scenes, was a let down.
Batman Begins is a bad movie, but every Batman movie made before it (excepting Batman '66, which I love) was even worse. Hence, "Best Batman movie in 40 years" strikes me as damning with faint praise.
Batman was trying to turn off the microwave emitter. He entered with that purpose in mind. The fact that he had to face Ras was why he had Gordon destroy the rail, because he wasn't certain he could get to the emitter and deactivate it (and in fact couldn't, because Ras prevented him). Also, I asked a civil engineer about the train/water utilities sharing a common path, and she said it was definitely a possibility because it often minimizes space allocation and acts as a natural zoning system.
Batman Begins to me in a word is... 'confined' The world, the streets, the rooms, it all feels small and dim. TDK however creates this BIG city landscape world that doesn't seem limited.
And yes, TDK is about Batman. More so than BEGINS or RISES. It's about the effect the vigilante known as the Batman has had on the city of Gotham. The bookend films in the trilogy are about Bruce Wayne. The Batman isn't even a fully formed character until the end of the first film. Thus the end title credits, and the film being called Batman Begins.
I loved your Superman Returns vid, I completely agree with you on that movie. However I cant disagree with you more on this one. You mentioned that this movie plot was crap. I would say the plot is no worse than Dark knight and Rises. They all have 2 bad guys in each of them, He endangered peoples lives in all 3 movies with the 3 different vehicles, ridiculous parts were in all 3. Ie roof top driving, bomb in that went off in police depart that killed all but Joker who was in that room.
I liked Batman Begins despite it's many flaws. The biggest flaw is actually the Microwave Emitter itself, since it sets the watermain boiling it would do EXACTLY THE SAME THING to a person, or in fact boil the water in any living thing, making them explode, literally.
I think you raise valid points. I personally never thought Batman Begins was all that great either, and, actually, no one I know thought it was anything to swoon for either. It was okay. Sufficient to revive the franchise (not necessarily good though), but nothing more.
Nolan is great at directing scenes and constructing them so they feel emotional and significant. His 4 good non-batman films insomnia, prestige, memento and inception fall into two categories. Strong stories being adapted (insomnia and prestige) or stories where the scenes do not fit into a narrative flow (memento and inception). He made the exsting stories stronger by adding strong scenes and the non-narrative films worked because the lack of narrative is the point of the story.
I agree on Goyer being a hack. I think it says a lot that the Nolan brothers handled the script on their own from TDK onward. Good decision. As for BB, though there is a Goyer influence in the script, I feel most of the film is Nolan's vision. Goyer might have typed out the script, but it's pretty clear Nolan and co. were sitting next to him and peeking over his shoulder the whole time (and that was for the better). I'll have to politely disagree on the film itself. It was an excellent origin story. It gave a lot of emotional and logical insight into why and how Wayne gradually decided to create the Batman persona. It had moral ambiguity and complexity to many of the characters. It did justice to a lot of previously untapped villains and minor characters (to varying extents, but generally, it did). The grounded approach worked well. The fact that the film takes its time to explain, bit by bit, Wayne's backstory and the birth of the Batman persona, and pulls it off very well, is laudable. Also, Alfred is very vocal about berating Wayne when he returns home from the wild ride in the Tumbler. Causing property damage on cars and by the roadside, drawing the attention of the police... All irresponsible, as Alfred rightly points out. "Don't get lost in this monster of your's, master Wayne," he intones in that scene, livid. The whole film could be easily subtitled "rookie mistakes, until he truly matures as a superhero". He's a superhero in a world which has never had a superhero, so it's not all that surprising he's only slowly learning the ropes of what such a "job" would entail. In TDK, even though Batman's a lot more professional by that point, he still causes property damage (smashed-up cars of the Joker's henchmen, a flipped-over truck, blown up civilian cars, broken glass) and is even tempted/forced to compromise his typical principles (the whole 'snooping on phones to find the Joker' thing). Caring hero, yes, perfect hero, certainly not. I think the trilogy is fairly clear about treating Wayne as more of an antihero than a straight-up hero. In a grounded world like that of the trilogy, becoming some bat-themed vigilante would hardly seem a sane option to most people. Sorry for the long comment, hope it doesn't come across as an essay. :-) Just a few thoughts...
(cont) Scarecrow because he's SUCH an awesome villain and there could have been so many great scenes with him and the effects of the fear gas that I felt we just missed out on. I think he could have rivaled the Joker in terms of a gritty well played scary villain but that he was spent early on as what could best be described as a "mid boss".
I'm a sucker for any material where we see Bruce training to become Batman. (TAS has a flash back once to him hanging out with escape artists.) We want to know how Batman works. You pointed out some important things about the film. It still has lost of good scenes - but some are too short, like as you say, undeveloped trailer blurbs. I liked that the supporting cast was played by good actors. Thanks for the review.
I like Batman Begins quite a bit, but you're right about Batman's hypocrisy as far as his moral code is concerned. He says he won't kill a murderer early in the film but his solution to getting out of that predicament is to commit arson and blow up a building full of people. Then he needlessly runs over a cop car later on in the film. Dark Knight even has a bit of that in the big chase scene where he's blowing up cars without knowing if there's someone inside.
I agree big-time on the last one. "Didn't you get the memo?" is such a hackneyed line, and yet it's delivered so well both times we hear it, first by Rutger Hauer and then by Morgan Freeman, that it winds up being one of the most memorable lines from the movie.
Batman Begins is the one true Batman movie. The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises are better but are not comic book adaptions. That is why Batman Begins is the best of the three.
Jesus Christ, this guy truly is in the minority. And by minority, I mean he is probably the only friggin person on this planet who thinks Superman Returns is a great movie and Batman Begins is a bad movie. I have failed to meet a single person who did not love Batman Begins, not to mention, you will have a hard time finding and actual movie critic-not a youtube video maker-but an actual critic, who did not enjoy the movie.as well. It's funny thinking back how I actually liked this Steve guy once
I was really into the movie until Bruce Wayne became Batman. I would love to have seen the entire movie become Bruce Wayne's journey towards Batman. It could have been a very dark martial arts/psychological thriller flick, rather than just another cheesy super hero movie.
I thought that when I saw it too! And its a real easy thing for the movie to fix...just have Bats drop some spikes. Cop car blows its tires, and the chase is over. But NOOOOO..they needed a dramatic car flipping scene, occupant safety be damned.
Well batman does tell Gordon "I gonna stop him from loading that train but i MAY need your help' after it cuts there you have to imagine that the conversation went on. Hes implying that i am going to try and stop it but if i cant or i get killed and you see the train get to a certain point you need to take the track out so that makes sense to me.
I think it is because it is a training montages, i dont feel it was rushed, i think it was the best part of the movie, but i wish i could have had more untill he get back to the city. The first half is the reason why i love BB
7:00 have the first movie end with Bruce Wayne putting on the Batman suit for the first time. That would have been a very daring way to make the movie.
I saw Batman Begins after The Dark Knight. Boy was I disappointed. The worst part about the train scene was the obligatory Mr. Explainer character. He's some transit worker giving a play-by-play analysis of what's going on, as if the audience can't see the fucking scene.
I actually liked this movie, the track blowing up thing wasn't that big of a deal to me because I took it as Batman was going to try and stop the train or turn off the device and if he couldn't blowing the rails was a last resort. I'm also not surprised he couldn't just "turn it off", most big machines don't just have a simple off switch after all and even if they did I think Raz would have been smart enough to do something about that. The only thing I hated was how little we saw of (cont)
Glad to see that someone else shares my extremely low opinion of Batman Begins. At the time I was more annoyed because they relegated the scarecrow, possibly one of the more interesting villains in the Batman universe, to basically the level of plot convenience and comic relief. The character is taken out so suddenly and then has no further impact on the story beyond his invention, its criminal! Also there's too much analysing of Batman and, like the man says, ridiculous exposition.
This is the problem with nolan, he makes great emotional scenes but can't string them together. This is supposedly what Goyer should be doing. The nolan bat movies do not flow naturally and stop and start with often unnatural and disturbing gaps which can't be made into cool scenes.
The thing that bothered me the most was the microwave emitter. Its suposed to be able to evaporate any water nearby, wouldn't it evaporate the water in the bodies of the people killing them making the neurotoxin unnecessary.
You just underrated the shit out of Batman Begins. TDK and TDKR have more on their mind, and in a lot of ways break a lot of genre cliches. But you don't have those films without the mythology and character building, and overall ground work that this film lays for it's two successors in the trilogy. I've agreed with all your views on this franchise, even the scoffed at opinion of yours that I agree with, that B:TAS is a watered down overrated Batman. But your stupidity here is in full view.
DAMN YOU!!!!!!!! I had repressed those plot holes and really enjoyed the film. Now I can't see anything else. The train, how did I not see the train!?!?!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!! I could not agree more. I walked out of that theater very disappointed. And yeah, that car driving on the roof scene.... I was just thinking "WTF!? His giant ass tank just dropped down onto the roof of that old ass church (or whatever), and just happily drove across it?" Sigh... well, at least the Dark Knight was a shit ton better.
And I thought I was the only one over analyzing why this movie was overrated and sucked so badly lol Completely agree with you. However I'm not sure I'd pin it totally on the writer. The director should have known there wouldn't be as much time for character development. If they would have focused more on developing Liam's character in the beginning and left out some of the other unneeded garbage they might of had enough time to pull it off. I think it got a good rating because it was finally the first decent batman film in years, and people had lower standards because of it. Now I'm off to re-watch the Dark Night and see if I missed it's greatness.
While I disagree with his overall conclusion about the movie, which I still absolutely love, I felt like he opened my eyes to a few gigantic plot holes with his criticisms. But I can live with some major plot holes if the movie is crafted in a way that it takes somebody else to point them out to me.
According to the movie, the microwave emitter can't be turned off or some nonsense...Why? Why can't the Doomsday Machine be turned off? You would think that you would want it to do so in case of any mishaps occur.
I love all 3 movies but I give them a pass for those little things. I even overlooked the editing mistake they did on the 3rd movie when Bane Took Talya with him and not one scene later she was with lucious when Bruce came back into town. Either was was an editing issue or the worst plot nod I have ever scene. I understand Nolan was trying to make a surprise at the end, but to tell Bane's story perfectly,then to just make that talya's orgin was week. All 3 movies had flaws not just the 1st.
As you are a sucker for Michael Fassbender, I am a sucker for Batman. Batman Begins was superior to other Batman films before them, although Batman (1966) is pretty good. Will you review Batman (1943) films too? Great channel BTW! subbed!
Why do good directors like Nolan film bad scripts? The script had enough unusual in it to discount studio interference (maybe). Was it a time crunch to make the premier? I honestly want an answer to this.
The one thing I will agree with is how recklessly he endangers all those lives during the car chase,when he flattens the first cop car it seems like he's deliberately trying to kill those guys. Otherwise it seems like you're talking about a different movie. I somewhat agree with the superman returns review but this seems nuts
Batman Begins was a good movie. The story was fine. I wished they had used more time with Batman's origin story before he puts on the cape, and I agree with Steve Shives, that the concept of the finale battle was a bit ridiculous. But it didn't bother me that much. The biggest plus in Batman Begins was the cast. The performances was great: Christian Bale was the perfect Batman, Gary Oldman was the perfect Jim Gordon and Michael Caine was the perfect Alfred. Liam Neeson was awesome as Bruce's mentor Ducard. Morgan Freeman and Cillian Murphy also did a pretty good job, and Katie Holmes was okay. The thing that annoyed me the most in Batman Begins was the poor filmed fight scenes. You couldn't see what was going on, and that was a huge minus for the movie. Nolan did not do a good job with that. However, when that is said, Batman Begins was fun and entertaining to watch. Great performances from the cast. 4/6
The only perfect Batman movie is "Year One". Sadly the grown up masses allergy to animation ruins their chances of a superior cinema experience. Also as good as any other Frank Miller film (including Sin City).
If the train system was run through Wayne tower, you would think somewhere inside that building they would have the means to...oh, I don't know...turn the fucking train off?
Steve have you ever seen Batman Under the Red Hood? I think that's not only my favorite animated version of Batman but perhaps my favorite Batman movie of all time
The whole Harvey Dent 2 face story was not only rushed but also unrealistic. I have not heart of a public official doing something bad and then everything he may or may have not been accomplished would be undone do to his transgressions. That theme I dont think is very realistic. You also mentioned that the microwave weapon was stupid and ridiculous, I would submit that the Sonar cell phone program was just as non sense as anything you would see in Batman Begins.
Yea the studio would let Nolan make a Batman movie where he just gets trained and no suit at all, sure. Nolans just a hired gun hes not putting up the dough
@stevelikes2curse Yeah I know but when Batman and Ra's Al Ghul are fighting on the train, Ra's says that the machine can't be turned off because of codes or something. I just blame David Goyer for that little inconsistency
1) I agree this movie was overrated. I remember people going batshit about it while I looked around thinking "wtf is so great about it?". It certainly wasn't terrible though... 2) I completely agree the montage of training should have been a more fully developed part of the movie. 3) agree the guy playing scarecrow was very interesting 4) disagree about Katie Holmes. I liked her much more than that fugly goblin Gyllenhaal.
You forgot Gary Oldman as Jim Gordon. That was a good piece of casting;) I do like batman begins, but it felt limited, batman should feel a little OTT, that is (for reasons other than the Joker) The Dark Knight is a better film, its bigger, its more packed. For me, batman begins did everything is was suposed to to, give an origin story for Nolans batman.
Well I thought Act of this film was fantastic but then it really fell off the wagon after that. The pacing was off, there are too many pointless villains, it's overloaded with plot devices and the relationship portrayed b/w Bruce in Rachel is one of the worst I've ever seen in a movie. The 2nd one was far better. That was the one that took things to a whole new level.
and Bruce Wayne being in another country in the 3rd movie, being broke and the city was locked down, yet BW made it back home within a day. As far as I am concerned that makes them all equal. The only reason you prob like Dark Knight was because of the Joker, without Heath that movie would be sub par at best. Think about Batman begins was brilliant because Batman acted and fought like Batman. The scene in Dark knight where he meets Gordon in broad daylight in a bank vault. Terrible writing.
lol. You go too easy on it. I haven't seen THE DARK KNIGHT, but this and the last Nolan Batman are outright awful. You're wrong only in saying most of the flick was taken from the comics. In reality, very little of what we get as the Batman has any relationship to the comic character beyond the uniform, the name and a few other superficial elements. Goyer and Nolan chucked the source material and made up their own character, one far less interesting than the comic character. The central villain plot is a meaner version of an Adam West Batman plot. The film is an unfocused mess. And really awful.
LOL, I like BMB better than Dark Knight. .I enjoyed Dark Knight quite a bit when I watched it at the theatre. BUT...., I find the Dark Knight unwatchable more than once. I love Heath's performance of the Joker, but once you've seen it you've seen it. It drags .forever. The 2-Fface thing (while linking into DK Rises) seems totally out of place and extends the movie time too much (2-, too-, 2- MUCH). I can watch Batman begins repeatedly. I love B-man rises. Dark knight =tedious to rewatch.
I've always thought The Dark Knight was a great film, except for the ending. Bruce is supposed to be the "world's greatest detective", you mean that he and Gordon could not have found a way to pin Harvey's murders on the Joker instead? It made Batman not as strong a character as he could have been.
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Batman Begins is awesome!
This was the best of the trilogy in my humble opinion. It was a great origin story! Plus, Batman didn't have as much of a stupid ass growly voice like in the later ones.
Fuck Batman Begins, so says the man who loves Superman Returns.....Haha.
Can you even refute is points? because Im sure you can't...
+unknown unknown You're profile picture is fucking disturbing!
+unknown unknown nice selfie
No, it's the first good film in the franchise where the material is taken seriously, first film to be a character study of the title protagonist. It is not the best Batman film. The best Batman film is BY FAR and away, The Dark Knight. An instant modern classic.
Lastly, the Tumbler only jumps over a couple of roofs, but this is hardly a problem because everything the car does in the film, it can do in real life. You can check this out at Car Sensation and read the blueprints if you want to verify it.
Why is Batman blowing up potentially occupied cars in the tunnels in The Dark Knight any less problematic than clipping a few cop cars in the chase scene in Begins?
I was drunk. I shot these last four Batman reviews in one sitting, so the two beer Jagerbombs I did during Batman & Robin were still working on me.
And in regards to the "montages vs scenes". Batman Begins is amazingly well paced and the flash backs, montages are an excellent form of story telling.
Thanks!
Dude, he drops mines out of the back of the Batmobile. Cop cars flip up into the air and turn over! How do you do that and yet somehow keep the safety of the occupant in mind?
Agree with you again! Sorry if I'm commenting too much. I'm binge watching your channel. The night before I saw Batman Begins, I saw that someone gave it 2 out of 4 stars in USA Today. And I tried not to let that bias my opinion, and I don't think it did. I wanted to like this movie, but I just didn't get it at all. Someone asked me after what I thought of the movie on a scale of 1 to 10, and I gave it a 6. The movie begins with Bruce Wayne in some prison in the middle of nowhere, and I was like "What?" And the rest of the movie was just as perplexing for me...seemed like Batman spent as much time fighting with the cops as he did the villains in the movie, and that ending was so confusing...everyone got exposed to Scarecrow's nerve gas, and we learned earlier that Rachel could've been permanently damaged without the cure. We never see those millions of people being helped...what happened to them? And microwaving the water supply so you can spread nerve gas? Why not just have a nerve gas bomb or something? Sounds very Wiley Coyote if you ask me. They waited 8 years to release another Batman movie, had an amazing cast and an amazing director, and that was the best that they could do? It wasn't until I watched The Dark Knight that I was like, "Aha! This is a brilliant Batman series!" But it was never really a brilliant trilogy. The whole trilogy is buoyed by the amazing second film, and the first and third movie are in the OK to "pretty good but not great range." And good call on the train! I never noticed it missing from The Dark Knight, but good riddance! The second film was much better without it! One more thing, I'm not sure what David S. Goyer's involvement in the story was. Jonathan and Christopher Nolan are credited as screenwriters for both Batman Begins and Dark Knight, and Goyer is credited for "story." Maybe it took them a while to hit their stride...I don't know...
I think you're too focused on the script. Yeah, it's not very good, but it's just one factor of the movie. BB's approach to the character is innovative; Batman had never been taken this seriously or imagined in this kind of gritty world on film before. To write off the rest of the movie because of some plot holes is just flippant. It's in no way "terrible".
I am trying my damndest to be cautiously optimistic. There are things about it that don't fill me with confidence, but I trust Nolan, and I think Zack Snyder has good movies in him, they just don't come out very often.
Batman begins was awesome, it washes down the bad taste of Batman and Robin. I know this is blasphemy to some but I prefered this movie than the Dark Knight.
+JReed1985 The actual blasphemy (against Batman and comic books) is saying The Dark Knight is a good Batman or a comic book movie. It is great as a movie but not as a Batman film.
The Christopher Nolan films were trying to be realistic so that's why we couldn't have Joker fall into a vat of chemicals.
You state Batman Begins has a poor script, and yet you praise Superman Returns, which has a very dated and uninteresting storyline.
I'm with you there. I'm not a big fan of 3D, either.
Yes, I think a lot of theaters are showing all three films on the first night. So far as I know, however, I'll only be going to see DKR.
Thanks! I will respond. I've been a little behind this week, still trying to catch up, but I'll respond to your pro-Batman Begins case ASAP.
At this level I am. I'm also a total lightweight. If I'd done three or four Jagerbombs like that, instead of two, I would not be nearly so coherent.
I totally agree with You on Superman returns and Dark Knight. However,I disagree with you on Batman Begins. Look, Superman the movie had a ridiculous plot but remember it's a comic book movie. Lex Luthor real estate plan was kinda stupid in Suprman returns also. Batman Begins brought Batman back to his true Character. Also, Liam Neeson was great in this film.
I didn't think the Year One movie was so good. It was such a flat, literal adaptation that it felt like a table read illustrated with animation most of the time.
I enjoyed watching your review but have to disagree.
I think Batman begins is the best Batman film to date.
I find repeat viewing of the Dark knight just reveals more things that bug me.
But Heath Ledger was incredible. Can`t see him in there anywhere..Just the Joker.
The Dark Knight Rises while having one of films best fight scenes, was a let down.
Batman Begins is a bad movie, but every Batman movie made before it (excepting Batman '66, which I love) was even worse. Hence, "Best Batman movie in 40 years" strikes me as damning with faint praise.
Batman Begins wasn't all over the place?
I wouldn't say it's any more honest than any other review. People who like the movie aren't dishonest; they just have a different opinion.
I loved it personally. There was something about the no frills approach that I liked.
And what would you call such a debate?
A rolling-face-off.
They turned it on on the ship they stole it from, and apparently turned it back off.
It was beer, not Red Bull. I kick it old school.
this is actually the only good Nolan batman movie
Batman was trying to turn off the microwave emitter. He entered with that purpose in mind. The fact that he had to face Ras was why he had Gordon destroy the rail, because he wasn't certain he could get to the emitter and deactivate it (and in fact couldn't, because Ras prevented him).
Also, I asked a civil engineer about the train/water utilities sharing a common path, and she said it was definitely a possibility because it often minimizes space allocation and acts as a natural zoning system.
Batman Begins to me in a word is... 'confined'
The world, the streets, the rooms, it all feels small and dim.
TDK however creates this BIG city landscape world that doesn't seem limited.
And yes, TDK is about Batman. More so than BEGINS or RISES. It's about the effect the vigilante known as the Batman has had on the city of Gotham. The bookend films in the trilogy are about Bruce Wayne. The Batman isn't even a fully formed character until the end of the first film. Thus the end title credits, and the film being called Batman Begins.
I loved your Superman Returns vid, I completely agree with you on that movie. However I cant disagree with you more on this one. You mentioned that this movie plot was crap. I would say the plot is no worse than Dark knight and Rises. They all have 2 bad guys in each of them, He endangered peoples lives in all 3 movies with the 3 different vehicles, ridiculous parts were in all 3. Ie roof top driving, bomb in that went off in police depart that killed all but Joker who was in that room.
I liked Batman Begins despite it's many flaws. The biggest flaw is actually the Microwave Emitter itself, since it sets the watermain boiling it would do EXACTLY THE SAME THING to a person, or in fact boil the water in any living thing, making them explode, literally.
Thanks for subbing! I might review the serials, I'm not sure. I have them both on DVD. It's been a long time since I watched them all the way through.
I think you raise valid points. I personally never thought Batman Begins was all that great either, and, actually, no one I know thought it was anything to swoon for either. It was okay. Sufficient to revive the franchise (not necessarily good though), but nothing more.
Nolan is great at directing scenes and constructing them so they feel emotional and significant. His 4 good non-batman films insomnia, prestige, memento and inception fall into two categories. Strong stories being adapted (insomnia and prestige) or stories where the scenes do not fit into a narrative flow (memento and inception). He made the exsting stories stronger by adding strong scenes and the non-narrative films worked because the lack of narrative is the point of the story.
Very psyched for Dark Knight Rises. In the last few weeks my efforts to reasonably manage expectations have been abandoned utterly.
I agree on Goyer being a hack. I think it says a lot that the Nolan brothers handled the script on their own from TDK onward. Good decision. As for BB, though there is a Goyer influence in the script, I feel most of the film is Nolan's vision. Goyer might have typed out the script, but it's pretty clear Nolan and co. were sitting next to him and peeking over his shoulder the whole time (and that was for the better).
I'll have to politely disagree on the film itself. It was an excellent origin story. It gave a lot of emotional and logical insight into why and how Wayne gradually decided to create the Batman persona. It had moral ambiguity and complexity to many of the characters. It did justice to a lot of previously untapped villains and minor characters (to varying extents, but generally, it did). The grounded approach worked well. The fact that the film takes its time to explain, bit by bit, Wayne's backstory and the birth of the Batman persona, and pulls it off very well, is laudable.
Also, Alfred is very vocal about berating Wayne when he returns home from the wild ride in the Tumbler. Causing property damage on cars and by the roadside, drawing the attention of the police... All irresponsible, as Alfred rightly points out. "Don't get lost in this monster of your's, master Wayne," he intones in that scene, livid. The whole film could be easily subtitled "rookie mistakes, until he truly matures as a superhero". He's a superhero in a world which has never had a superhero, so it's not all that surprising he's only slowly learning the ropes of what such a "job" would entail.
In TDK, even though Batman's a lot more professional by that point, he still causes property damage (smashed-up cars of the Joker's henchmen, a flipped-over truck, blown up civilian cars, broken glass) and is even tempted/forced to compromise his typical principles (the whole 'snooping on phones to find the Joker' thing). Caring hero, yes, perfect hero, certainly not. I think the trilogy is fairly clear about treating Wayne as more of an antihero than a straight-up hero. In a grounded world like that of the trilogy, becoming some bat-themed vigilante would hardly seem a sane option to most people.
Sorry for the long comment, hope it doesn't come across as an essay. :-) Just a few thoughts...
(cont) Scarecrow because he's SUCH an awesome villain and there could have been so many great scenes with him and the effects of the fear gas that I felt we just missed out on. I think he could have rivaled the Joker in terms of a gritty well played scary villain but that he was spent early on as what could best be described as a "mid boss".
I'm a sucker for any material where we see Bruce training to become Batman. (TAS has a flash back once to him hanging out with escape artists.) We want to know how Batman works.
You pointed out some important things about the film. It still has lost of good scenes - but some are too short, like as you say, undeveloped trailer blurbs.
I liked that the supporting cast was played by good actors.
Thanks for the review.
I like Batman Begins quite a bit, but you're right about Batman's hypocrisy as far as his moral code is concerned. He says he won't kill a murderer early in the film but his solution to getting out of that predicament is to commit arson and blow up a building full of people. Then he needlessly runs over a cop car later on in the film. Dark Knight even has a bit of that in the big chase scene where he's blowing up cars without knowing if there's someone inside.
I agree big-time on the last one. "Didn't you get the memo?" is such a hackneyed line, and yet it's delivered so well both times we hear it, first by Rutger Hauer and then by Morgan Freeman, that it winds up being one of the most memorable lines from the movie.
Batman Begins is the one true Batman movie. The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises are better but are not comic book adaptions. That is why Batman Begins is the best of the three.
Jesus Christ, this guy truly is in the minority. And by minority, I mean he is probably the only friggin person on this planet who thinks Superman Returns is a great movie and Batman Begins is a bad movie. I have failed to meet a single person who did not love Batman Begins, not to mention, you will have a hard time finding and actual movie critic-not a youtube video maker-but an actual critic, who did not enjoy the movie.as well. It's funny thinking back how I actually liked this Steve guy once
Batman begins I think is great. The only faults are the underuse of the scarecrow and bad hand to hand fight scenes. Gets a 9/10 from me.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time better then the dark knight
I was really into the movie until Bruce Wayne became Batman. I would love to have seen the entire movie become Bruce Wayne's journey towards Batman. It could have been a very dark martial arts/psychological thriller flick, rather than just another cheesy super hero movie.
I thought that when I saw it too! And its a real easy thing for the movie to fix...just have Bats drop some spikes. Cop car blows its tires, and the chase is over. But NOOOOO..they needed a dramatic car flipping scene, occupant safety be damned.
I liked it. I'm a sucker for Michael Fassbender.
Well batman does tell Gordon "I gonna stop him from loading that train but i MAY need your help' after it cuts there you have to imagine that the conversation went on. Hes implying that i am going to try and stop it but if i cant or i get killed and you see the train get to a certain point you need to take the track out so that makes sense to me.
I think it is because it is a training montages, i dont feel it was rushed, i think it was the best part of the movie, but i wish i could have had more untill he get back to the city. The first half is the reason why i love BB
7:00 have the first movie end with Bruce Wayne putting on the Batman suit for the first time. That would have been a very daring way to make the movie.
Some friends are going to see it in IMAX as well. I bet it will be spectacular. I'll be seeing it the old fashioned way, however.
I really didn't like the part when Batman "calls in" all those bats to help him get away from the cops. Pretty silly
I saw Batman Begins after The Dark Knight. Boy was I disappointed. The worst part about the train scene was the obligatory Mr. Explainer character. He's some transit worker giving a play-by-play analysis of what's going on, as if the audience can't see the fucking scene.
I actually liked this movie, the track blowing up thing wasn't that big of a deal to me because I took it as Batman was going to try and stop the train or turn off the device and if he couldn't blowing the rails was a last resort. I'm also not surprised he couldn't just "turn it off", most big machines don't just have a simple off switch after all and even if they did I think Raz would have been smart enough to do something about that.
The only thing I hated was how little we saw of (cont)
Glad to see that someone else shares my extremely low opinion of Batman Begins. At the time I was more annoyed because they relegated the scarecrow, possibly one of the more interesting villains in the Batman universe, to basically the level of plot convenience and comic relief. The character is taken out so suddenly and then has no further impact on the story beyond his invention, its criminal! Also there's too much analysing of Batman and, like the man says, ridiculous exposition.
This is the problem with nolan, he makes great emotional scenes but can't string them together. This is supposedly what Goyer should be doing. The nolan bat movies do not flow naturally and stop and start with often unnatural and disturbing gaps which can't be made into cool scenes.
The thing that bothered me the most was the microwave emitter. Its suposed to be able to evaporate any water nearby, wouldn't it evaporate the water in the bodies of the people killing them making the neurotoxin unnecessary.
You just underrated the shit out of Batman Begins. TDK and TDKR have more on their mind, and in a lot of ways break a lot of genre cliches. But you don't have those films without the mythology and character building, and overall ground work that this film lays for it's two successors in the trilogy. I've agreed with all your views on this franchise, even the scoffed at opinion of yours that I agree with, that B:TAS is a watered down overrated Batman. But your stupidity here is in full view.
Thing is would it really be that simple for Batman to turn the device off?
DAMN YOU!!!!!!!! I had repressed those plot holes and really enjoyed the film. Now I can't see anything else. The train, how did I not see the train!?!?!
Later today.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!! I could not agree more. I walked out of that theater very disappointed. And yeah, that car driving on the roof scene.... I was just thinking "WTF!? His giant ass tank just dropped down onto the roof of that old ass church (or whatever), and just happily drove across it?" Sigh... well, at least the Dark Knight was a shit ton better.
I see what you did there . . .
And I thought I was the only one over analyzing why this movie was overrated and sucked so badly lol Completely agree with you. However I'm not sure I'd pin it totally on the writer. The director should have known there wouldn't be as much time for character development. If they would have focused more on developing Liam's character in the beginning and left out some of the other unneeded garbage they might of had enough time to pull it off. I think it got a good rating because it was finally the first decent batman film in years, and people had lower standards because of it. Now I'm off to re-watch the Dark Night and see if I missed it's greatness.
those were some big Jagerbombs. Never had a full beer mug of red bull before.
While I disagree with his overall conclusion about the movie, which I still absolutely love, I felt like he opened my eyes to a few gigantic plot holes with his criticisms.
But I can live with some major plot holes if the movie is crafted in a way that it takes somebody else to point them out to me.
According to the movie, the microwave emitter can't be turned off or some nonsense...Why? Why can't the Doomsday Machine be turned off? You would think that you would want it to do so in case of any mishaps occur.
I love all 3 movies but I give them a pass for those little things. I even overlooked the editing mistake they did on the 3rd movie when Bane Took Talya with him and not one scene later she was with lucious when Bruce came back into town. Either was was an editing issue or the worst plot nod I have ever scene. I understand Nolan was trying to make a surprise at the end, but to tell Bane's story perfectly,then to just make that talya's orgin was week. All 3 movies had flaws not just the 1st.
So many plots in movies and on tv seem to be written poorly,like we will not notice or they just do not care if we do or not.
As you are a sucker for Michael Fassbender, I am a sucker for Batman. Batman Begins was superior to other Batman films before them, although Batman (1966) is pretty good. Will you review Batman (1943) films too? Great channel BTW! subbed!
Why do good directors like Nolan film bad scripts? The script had enough unusual in it to discount studio interference (maybe). Was it a time crunch to make the premier? I honestly want an answer to this.
The one thing I will agree with is how recklessly he endangers all those lives during the car chase,when he flattens the first cop car it seems like he's deliberately trying to kill those guys. Otherwise it seems like you're talking about a different movie. I somewhat agree with the superman returns review but this seems nuts
Please. Be serious.
begins is the best batman movie by far. one of my fav films of my life
Batman Begins was a good movie.
The story was fine. I wished they had used more time with Batman's origin story before he puts on the cape, and I agree with Steve Shives, that the concept of the finale battle was a bit ridiculous. But it didn't bother me that much.
The biggest plus in Batman Begins was the cast. The performances was great: Christian Bale was the perfect Batman, Gary Oldman was the perfect Jim Gordon and Michael Caine was the perfect Alfred. Liam Neeson was awesome as Bruce's mentor Ducard.
Morgan Freeman and Cillian Murphy also did a pretty good job, and Katie Holmes was okay.
The thing that annoyed me the most in Batman Begins was the poor filmed fight scenes. You couldn't see what was going on, and that was a huge minus for the movie. Nolan did not do a good job with that.
However, when that is said, Batman Begins was fun and entertaining to watch. Great performances from the cast.
4/6
The only perfect Batman movie is "Year One". Sadly the grown up masses allergy to animation ruins their chances of a superior cinema experience. Also as good as any other Frank Miller film (including Sin City).
If the train system was run through Wayne tower, you would think somewhere inside that building they would have the means to...oh, I don't know...turn the fucking train off?
I can't stand the Tumbler. The Batmobile from 1989 was the best.
You left out how Bruce Wayne gets his ass kicked all the time even after being taught to fight.
I couldn't disagree more but I respect your views. Great videos.
Steve have you ever seen Batman Under the Red Hood? I think that's not only my favorite animated version of Batman but perhaps my favorite Batman movie of all time
The whole Harvey Dent 2 face story was not only rushed but also unrealistic. I have not heart of a public official doing something bad and then everything he may or may have not been accomplished would be undone do to his transgressions. That theme I dont think is very realistic. You also mentioned that the microwave weapon was stupid and ridiculous, I would submit that the Sonar cell phone program was just as non sense as anything you would see in Batman Begins.
Batman Begins is better than The Dark Knight imo. The Dark Knight although terrific at times, was all over the place..
Ehh. I liked the movie. I would have never given The Dark Knight a chance had it not been for this one.
Yea the studio would let Nolan make a Batman movie where he just gets trained and no suit at all, sure. Nolans just a hired gun hes not putting up the dough
He thinks Batman Begins sucks, and Superman Returns is the best superhero movie ever. Someone call a therapist.
@stevelikes2curse Yeah I know but when Batman and Ra's Al Ghul are fighting on the train, Ra's says that the machine can't be turned off because of codes or something. I just blame David Goyer for that little inconsistency
So then, how do you feel about the Nolan/Goyer 'Man of Steel' reboot next year? Yay, Nay, or too early to tell?
1) I agree this movie was overrated. I remember people going batshit about it while I looked around thinking "wtf is so great about it?". It certainly wasn't terrible though...
2) I completely agree the montage of training should have been a more fully developed part of the movie.
3) agree the guy playing scarecrow was very interesting
4) disagree about Katie Holmes. I liked her much more than that fugly goblin Gyllenhaal.
You forgot Gary Oldman as Jim Gordon. That was a good piece of casting;)
I do like batman begins, but it felt limited, batman should feel a little OTT, that is (for reasons other than the Joker) The Dark Knight is a better film, its bigger, its more packed.
For me, batman begins did everything is was suposed to to, give an origin story for Nolans batman.
Well I thought Act of this film was fantastic but then it really fell off the wagon after that. The pacing was off, there are too many pointless villains, it's overloaded with plot devices and the relationship portrayed b/w Bruce in Rachel is one of the worst I've ever seen in a movie. The 2nd one was far better. That was the one that took things to a whole new level.
I'm really worried it won't live up to the hype. I think it might be a good action movie, but not a good movie.
and Bruce Wayne being in another country in the 3rd movie, being broke and the city was locked down, yet BW made it back home within a day. As far as I am concerned that makes them all equal. The only reason you prob like Dark Knight was because of the Joker, without Heath that movie would be sub par at best. Think about Batman begins was brilliant because Batman acted and fought like Batman. The scene in Dark knight where he meets Gordon in broad daylight in a bank vault. Terrible writing.
lol. You go too easy on it. I haven't seen THE DARK KNIGHT, but this and the last Nolan Batman are outright awful. You're wrong only in saying most of the flick was taken from the comics. In reality, very little of what we get as the Batman has any relationship to the comic character beyond the uniform, the name and a few other superficial elements. Goyer and Nolan chucked the source material and made up their own character, one far less interesting than the comic character. The central villain plot is a meaner version of an Adam West Batman plot. The film is an unfocused mess. And really awful.
while i disagree with everything that comes out of your mouth you do make great points
LOL, I like BMB better than Dark Knight. .I enjoyed Dark Knight quite a bit when I watched it at the theatre. BUT...., I find the Dark Knight unwatchable more than once. I love Heath's performance of the Joker, but once you've seen it you've seen it. It drags .forever. The 2-Fface thing (while linking into DK Rises) seems totally out of place and extends the movie time too much (2-, too-, 2- MUCH). I can watch Batman begins repeatedly. I love B-man rises. Dark knight =tedious to rewatch.
I respect your opinion but this is on par with the Dark Knight imo. I think it's amazing.
I've always thought The Dark Knight was a great film, except for the ending. Bruce is supposed to be the "world's greatest detective", you mean that he and Gordon could not have found a way to pin Harvey's murders on the Joker instead? It made Batman not as strong a character as he could have been.
LordMalice6d9 True. Batman has a lot of willpower. That would not have stopped him.
Batman Begins was good and Batman The Animated Series is amazing
Man, if he thinks the script of Batman Begins is bad, i cant whait for the Man of Steel review !