1986 Mustang GT Project - Smog Pump Delete
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2017
- Removing the smog pump and related parts. No kit here, just a shorter serpentine belt. Making more room in the engine bay, and freeing a tiny tiny bit of horsepower. Fact is, it was already partially disconnected, so lets pull it out!
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Selfless acts of love these videos are. I just picked up a stock 86 convertible and the amount of time effort and money these videos have saved me is amazing. Thank you bro homeboys for life.
Heck yeah man!! Enjoy that car. Glad I can help
Looking forward to your intake install. I picked up the same one and figure your video will be my tutorial. Keep me coming Mike!
i know I am kinda off topic but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released movies online?
I seen people plus lmr do this but flipping the heads on the exhaust port is the most realistic approach everything else I seen is either for people with tiny hands that smell of cabbage or a bull crap was to sell products thank you man I used all your ideas it actually increased throttle response and fuel mileage and horsepower
I Don't Know what you are talkn but it was funny🤦🏾😭😁😁😁😂😂😂 hope that doesn't make my head small & smells cabbage
Good job Mike! She's still coming along nicely! Can't wait for the heads and intake. Keep the videos coming!
Thanks!
I just bought my first car a 1986 mustang gt t top hatchback super happy u make it look like so much fun working on it can't wait to get started
Its a blast to work on and drive for sure!
@HOUSE OF DULA The picture of the back of the upper intake, what is the t-spliced tubing going to? I have an 89 5.0 with the tube coming out of underneath the upper intake, but I don’t know where it connects to???
Great video! In the middle of taking this pesky pump off of my 93 coupe
nice work, I just put the motor back in my 85. Check to see if your tensioner has 3 keyway holes in the back. If your on #2 or 3 you might be able to get it to the top hole to alleviate some pressure. I obsessed about my 92 notch engine bay cleanup! I've got it down to darn near nothing. Keep up the good work and videos!!
Thanks Ray, i was unaware of the key hole adjustment. Good to know will look later tonight!
Mike Dula my 85 has it, but my 92 doesnt.....thanks Ford haha
Mike Dula what you at it what I did to my 90 Mustang I just remove the smog pump and then just kept the same belt just you should remove this smog pump might as well where you at it
Did this over 2 weeks... I took a scriber and marked the drivers side and passenger fittings to the heads before cutting them off the crossover tube.. It seems straight forward but theyre basically identical after removal.
im doing the same thing on my 1986 p30 454 chevrolet 7,4 liters great video dude!!
Thanks man!
@@HOUSEOFDULA youwelcome!!
Once you have removed the EGR with smog pump, do you need a check valve on the vacuum line from the air canister to the intake?
My smog pump bearings are make a death screech and smoking while engine running. Can I just add the 84.5 inch belt and keep the smog pump bolted in place? What will happen if I don't physically remove the smog pump?
good work i have a 85 nice modification
thanks for the video,is going to help alot...i bought the smog delete kit from American muscle. And going to install. Is it possible to just plug the piping instead of taking that tubing off the back of engine? Not sure what i am going to do depending on how hard those bolts are to take off... I have no cats on car anyways and where i live no smog testing anymore.
helped alot,not too many videos or clear info on this
Couldn’t find a video and stumbled on this one looking for timing help lol nice job
Thank you!
For the crossover pipe on the back the heads I just put a 3/4 galvanized steel cap over mine doesn't look pretty but saves time and headaches eventually when I pull the engine I'll do a cleaner job.
85 1/4 length pops right on. right number wronglength, a round trip to the parts counter. Gates brand correct length with 4060845
how does 4060845 have same name but 2 diff sizes?
Won’t these caus tuning issues such as the smog pump goes bad or isn’t there the car reads the wrong fuel mixture? Would you need a tune after this?
Does this apply all the way to 93 foxbody with 302?
Mike, i stretched a belt on mine once and it wore out the bearings in the alternator alternator pulley fast
Good point and good to know. Goes to show to set these belts to the a tension that not too tight.
Hey my smog pump actually just went bad on my 86 and I replaced it with one off of amazon and it's was shaking violently because of bad manufacturing so I returned it and I'm waitin for the money to come back I was wondering if you were gonna ever use or sell your smog pump? Because they are kind of pricey and if you would sell it and save me some money that would be great
How have you all capped the hole in the exhaust? I have holly carbureted 85. Everything here seems pretty much exact to what mine has going on but I dont know much about modifying exhausts. Some sort of cap something that can bolt on? weld a cover on?
Cut, hammer and fold the metal to cap it. Thats what I did, just pinch it close.
My Dad just gave my 13 year old son an 87’ GT convertible. Kept in a garage and not one door ding. It will be a great project for him and I. Fourth years ago my Dad and I built a 65’ out of the junk yard. Wish I still had it! I plan to delete the emissions stuff, swap the exhaust, cold air intake and modernize the lights and stereo. Thanks for the vid! Keep em’ coming!
Hi Mike,
I do not understand, in the cut pipes the hole is not closed?
(which are mounted on the rear of the engine)
On the cut part...where I cut the mounting flange from the pipe, take that mounting flange and flip it, mount the back side to the heads. The back side is flat so flipping it just blocks the hole...just be sure to clock it right so that it covers ALL of the hole...you'll know, your hear an exhaust leak if you dont.
Nice work.
Did you leave on the charcoal canister? Also like how the sparks flew over the WD-40 @22.25....🔥.
+Martin Yarman - I did, but it will be coming out with a new engine swap along with the rest of the EGR set up. Appreciate you noticing that. Always need to be super careful around that crap and welding.
Lol. I just watched another video doing the same thing. Same year mustang with air and power steering and he went to the auto store 4 times till he got the right belt and he's was a 76in belt. He's pump was going bad and he's pulley on hes pump had a 8ib drag So it did free up a tiny bit of HP for him.
Hey I know this video is pretty old but hopefully I get a quick response anyways do you know if 351 and 302 use the same belt lengths and do you know what size belt I would use if I have no smog pump and no ac thanks :)
I really dont know exactly. I know the 302 front accessory will not completely interchange because the higher deck height. As far as the length goes. Best thing to do is is use a old longer belt and route it, cut to length so that the ends butt up together then measure the length but add an inch to compensate for the tensioner. Then order that length, the length and it being 8 rib it typically in the part number of the belt.
HOUSE OF DULA Just curious, after smog delete was there check engine light showing or idol issues? Please help, I'm working on a 91 coupe & really want to dump the smog pump, but don't want to retune my car. Thanks
Removing it wont cause any idle issues, or a need to retune. It night cause a check engine light, because when the valve open fresh air into the cats the O2's are expecting it...if they dont see it it will throw a code. But it wont cause drivability issues. My fox was already throwing that code because the smog crossover tube in the heads are usually clogged with carbon, so its not working anyway. Its fine to remove it. Your idle issue is something else...removing the smog wont fix it or make it worse. Another thing to be cautious about is the cats. If they are 100% stock, they need fresh air from the smog pump to stay cool and not overheat and melt (likely are already, again this stuff usually is clogged with carbon with high miles)...I took mine off knowing soon id be going with a catless exhaust system....long story short...it made ZERO difference in the way it ran when I removed mine.
Thank you HOUSE OF DULA. I'm using Bassani X pipe with 2 Cats. I will follow your advice, info, and video, so I can loose some weight, less stress on crank, & cleaner engine bay. Great video for ppl like me in the Fox community:D
I'm doing this to my 89 town car The egr plate and the eliminator plug do work on a town car im keeping the smog pump just gutting it and re grease bearings so i can use stock belt already dont have cats ill be using the plates i cut from the crossover tube to plug head holes i find this to be easier because u dont have to clean out carbon filled holes
Did you put caps on the two solenoids you took the vacuum lines off of or did you just leave them open?
No, I pulled the lines and capped where needed. You never want any open vacuum lines. Vacuum leaks will cause all sorts of drivability issues.
I have a question my smog pump froze on me so I can just get the smaller belt and run it like that and just have the smog pump sitting there without taking the smog pump out??
Yes you can! you can just bypass it with a smaller belt.
HOUSE OF DULA hey bro I have a question My car starts up fine when it's cold start but when I drive the car for a while in the engine is hot it takes 3 to 4 cranks before it starts and these are long cranks do you have any idea why it's doing that
So what about the vacuum lines? My smug pump seized up on my 94 5.0, if I bypass the smog pump and leave pump and everything else in will i need to do anything else or is changing the belt to an 84.5 all it takes
@@kawaiichino9507 He answered this years ago. Your answer is 2 lines up
I see what you're doing at the 22:00 mark, showing off that fine Wilton vise.....show off ;-))
Hahaha...thats awesome. Man, I got that at a garage sale. Love it. Hate that the jaw has broken off.
im also going to put a 351 stroker in it super excited
+Issac Dixon - nice! To 408?
Yep I'm about to get to do this.
I like having mine on and it’s getting rare to see them on stock .Are you gonna take your charcoal canister off also
Its off too. Engine compartment looks 1000 times cleaner with the emission stuff gone. But, I kept it all in case I ever wanted to put it all back to stock. But, lets be honest, the stock engine was shot and the replacement engine will likely never have smog stuff put back on. Car is not original color, floor pans replaced, subframe connectors welded in, brakes, suspension are long gone in favor for the 5 lug...its far from stock, but not at all hacked up. Parts put on it all make it a better more modern, safer car to drive.
Did you install a plug for the wiring to keep the computer from kicking a code?
No. The 86 efi cars didnt even have a check engine light, youd have to scan it, and the codes doesnt change the performance at all. For 87+ cars, it would be annoying to see the light on all the time. Youd want to use a plug or like most tune it out.
Hey Mike, what do you plan to do with your Smog pump?
No plan. Let me know if you need it.
Will 84.5/8 work? And I’m leaving the pump on just removing the pulley
I bet it will be fine as long as your tension has movement both up and down. If you bottom out the tension pulley you could snap a belt. My belt at 84.5 was pretty tight getting on, every car might be a lil different but I'd bet that belt length would be perfect.
What about the EGR after removing the vacuum system?
It will trip a code, but not hinder or change performance, or keep it from passing inspections (Texas these are classis and do not need an emmissions test). My cars smog tubes we're blocked so the system wasn't working anyway, so I just got rid of it.
do u know when your going to post your next video
I'm wondering if this is the same as the 5.8 liter in my pickup, the length of the belt I mean?
Likely not. Best thing to do, remove the pump, then use a string and run it how the belt would run. Then measure string and subtract about 1" to compensate for the tensioner. Did this on my new trick flow motor and it worked perfect.
hell of a good deal, thanks for that info, i'll do just that, I much appreciate your advice.
MIke, you can also just cap off the crossover tube with a 3/4" cap.. For the belt, as long as the falt side is facing the water pump pulley, it is turning it counter clockwise. Last- make sure you dont have the belt too tight or you will wear out the bearings in the water oump prematurely. Good job though
Good point about the flat side of the belt, this is true! just never thought about it that way. I wanted the tube out as well, just looks a little cleaner. As far as having the belt too tight, the tensioner, being under spring pressure should it should maintain an even amount of tension on the belt. As long as you have free movement in both directions, spring is not worn, pulley bearing is fine, there should be nothing to adjust that would make the belt tight.
Big Daddy I did the same thing on my 88coupe. I just went to home depot and got a 3/4" galvanized cap. it's looks cleaner the way Mike did it though good job.
Bro hearing you cus was hilarious this had been the only time I ever heard you swear, but I see why this video was the one I heard it in lmao!!!
I do a LOT of editing. Lots of cussing going on in real life I promise
Hey Mike, good work, have a beer for me, you made some good space under the hood for ur turbo.
Thanks!
I jumped when the smog pump dropped
ME TOO lol
Oh nvm I just got to the part where you dropped it lol but this was a great informational video will your car still pass emissions without it on?? Because me by passing it the way you did would save me a lot of money instead of replacing the smog pump
It dropped, but its fine..Can is exempt from emissions here in Texas.
has anyone ever done the smog delete with crank & water pump under drive pulleys and been able to use the 84.5 ? i would think it would work because the same belt is still on it now that was on it with the stock pulleys ? never really bothered me before but im wanting to heat wrap the headers without removing them and its the main obsticle even though its going to be curse words from start to finish lol
Did you ever try it? I’m in the same boat, and my header is pulled right now (doing exhaust work). I’d like to delete smog at the same time.
How much would u pay for a 86 t top and it's not running want to get it but don't want to pay to much
$1,000 thats what i paid for my 1988 lx that wasnt running but the only problem was a key switch and the guy couldn't figure it out 😁
Need help on egr delete n gt40 heads can i use gt40p intake please help
Did you already do the egr delete?
@@eduardoramirez3307 no not yet
Is the length 84.5 for the no a.c. and no smog pump diagram
No, 84.5 is with AC, with power steer and NO smog pump. This is the length I used. On e thing to note is that if you have underdrive pulleys or not this could affect belt length.
No under drive pulleys here personally don't like them and I am running no a.c. and no smog pump
Gotcha....Yeah your right that diagram does not have a length for it. What I would do is take the old belt, cut it....route it then mark and cut again so the ends butt up againt each other. Then lay it out in a long line and measure it, add .5 to 1" for the tensioner. This should work for you or get you very very close. You might have to make a trip or two to the auto parts store. Remember, the PN usually indicates the belts length.
Hello, any drawbacks with fuel smell in the car? I've read that you shouldn't remove it because first it doesn't give any hp and second it helps in the fact that you won't smell like a gas tank when driving 😁
I want to remove mine on my 87 just to get a better access to my heads and plugs...
Keep up with the videos, I love them!
I think as long as you leave the charcoal canister connected, the fuel smell should not be too bad. I recently deleted mine, and havnt noticed a difference in fumes or smell.
Got my egr stuff out with just the 1/2in wrench luckily someone removed half the things that would be in the way and sure enough packed as fuck with carbon
Hell yeah lol Not doing crap anyway
what kinda belt do you need?
_ashlynn fox_ 4060845
What exactly do these pumps do?
angry bastard passenger seat only? 😂
Rookie question lol will your check engine light stay on after doing this to my 89
Yes, likely. PArt of your emmission system opens the solenoid to send fresh air to the cats...the O2's would be expecting it so will throw a fault. But will NOT cause the engine to change its performance at all. And, this can be tuned out. For me...86's dont have a check engine light, so one would never even know without running codes..My car is emission exempt in Texas as well.. Because of carbon buildup I would have had he light on anyway. The entire emmisions system would have to be replaced or cleaned up...Or, remove it all like I did and make more room under that hood. Not a rookie question at all. I wondered the same thing.
@@HOUSEOFDULA hi how you are doing will my engine light come on for my 1993 f150 5.0 flairside? And will this delete work for my truck as well?
what heads are you planning on using? I have a 86 gt also that I am working on and love the videos you are making. a lot of similar stuff I am having to do to mine. keep them coming. thanks
Trick Flow. If I keep the stock block, they will be compatible with my flat tops..If I rebuild the engine or replace they are still a good head.
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While you were there eliminate EGR valve?
If you do, on a stck ECU it will throw codes. But...I cold have easily just went ahead and removed it as well during the smog pump removal if I wanted. My trick Flow motor I put in, I eliminated EGR completely.
@@HOUSEOFDULA very helpful video, thanks.
an egr delete kit is available. I put one on mine and it tricks the computer in to thinking its still there.
I know this is old but after you deleted the vapor canister do you get a fuel smell from the tank? And did you just leave that line open?
Nice video of the back of your head blocking the view
Why thank you. All opinions appreciated lol
If I do this can you comment on what will happen to the cats? I heard they can be ruined from this or should I even care?
This is true. I didnt care to be honest because I dont need to pass smog on it and I know Id replace the exhaust anyway. BUT something to consider, the older CAT technology needed the air to help them do their job. I also heard with the air pump they will over heat and crack up internally, or at WORST block exhaust. Heres the deal though, I almost guarantee yoours isnt working anyway, like mine wasn't. The exit from the back of the heads we're completely blocked off with carbon.
Thanks for that. I intend to keep the stock engine and theres no emissions tests where I live. Will work on smog removal once I have to park it for the year due to road salt.
Hey Mike when you do that head swap you might as well do a cam too otherwise you're gonna be upset afterwards when you go to do a cam later. I'm just speaking from experience and food for thought.
Good point. I already thought about it. One thing leads to another and next thing I know im putting in a new engine!. Honestly by the time, the heads are off, the intake is off, the front end is off for the cam, there with be a bare block and oil pan left in the car anyway!
Mike Dula I know what you mean. One thing always leads to another. I can't wait to see more video sir. I'm almost done with my son's 89 hatch enginebay. I installed the scott rod fab panels but had to stop right before body filler sanding and primer cause I got tasked with my second tour to korea so I'm literally living thru your videos right now until January 2018 when I return home.
Scott, first off, thank you for your service to this country! Its an honor knowing service men or women watch these vids. Hats off to you sir. Secondly, knowing your reminded of home and working on your '86 vicariously through these motivates me even more to get out and keep at....would love to see progress of your 86, feel free to email the pics! Be safe out there
Mike Dula Thank you, that really means a lot to me sir. It's been an honor for me to serve our great nation. I will definitely send you some pics of what all I've done to the hatch. Keep up the awesome work! Happy 4th of July as well!
i allways cut them off and welded them shut but flipping them over might be an option
Yeah...welding would help big time in making sure it never leaks.
I have an extra hatchback spoiler for that if you all know who needs one
I’ll do this to my 1994 5.0 f150 also
Will doing this work on my 92 f150 5.0 also?
+Kevin Knapp - yes but as long as 92 is emission exempt in your county / state. Pulling the pump will make it not pass the smog test
Thank you very much! I'm in Oklahoma so no worries about emissions. I'm in the process of rebuilding it and didn't want to buy the pulley that deletes it.
My 84.5in belt was loose my tensioner bottomed out 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
All this depends on your combination, never ALWAYS a 1 size fits all. Im running an underdrive set in this video, which would make the belt shorten than a guy running stock pulleys.
Oh look headers ,that's what i said to the 1st time i saw the exhaust manifolds too.Then i bought a set ford performance shorty headers and the engine came alive ,WOW what a difference .Throw the stock manifolds away
+Mustang Greg v8 - new engine runs a set of Ford Performance shortys
Mustang Greg v8 where did you find you ford performance shorties?
Mustang Greg v8 I’ve been trying to look for them for my 93 LX
I got the Ford racing performance shorties from Tommy vaughn in houston about 8 years ago .If you can.t find the ford get Mac or Flowtech ,stay away from the chinese ones on EBAY
For fure- its easiest to install belt on largest puley last, thank me later
My tensioner is a 15mm
Your head is in the freaking way!
My fat head always in the damn way! Need a camera man ;)
You bought wrong belt that's why it's not fitting
yes if u search captainpicklechicken it'll pop up
+Issac Dixon - Got it! Thanks, will check it out.
cut off and leave 2" nipple...peen tube flat end...wire weld...then correctly install flange face...Don deal !!!...voice of experience