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Please, Ellie… stop with the ‘YouYube Stupid/Angry/Startled/Surprised Faces’. You were better than that when you started. Return to your honesty and in-depth reporting. Honestly, I now hesitate to click on your videos because of those “TH-cam Faces”. And I’ve been following since long-ago.
@@ernestgalvan9037 If that's what you need, may I suggest "Eager Space" as a good youtube alternative. Personally I enjoy Ellie's personality that she brings to a very interesting but potentially dry subject matter. Love this channel. Eager Space too but for different reasons. Side note: I wish Everyday Astronaut would come out with more but it's still possible Tim is mired in the funk of losing his Moon Mission. I would be. Hope he gets another chance to go. Tragic end to high hopes and dreams.
This was absolutely a horrific oversight on both Boeing & NASA's part. The very idea of not being able to return the capsule without astronaut input is critical to astronaut survival. No other detail really matters, the core of the mission should always be astronaut safety.
Scenario 3 - something goes dramatically wrong on Starliner, making it critical to separate it from ISS and de-orbit (even if a destructive de-orbit) without personnel. Say, after a debris strike that holes the pressure vessel or heat shield beyond orbital repair, and you need to clear the docking port for a rescue mission. The only reason to drop the automated control system was *cost savings* . Boeing and NASA are willing to add foreseeable risk to astronauts' lives in order to save a few bucks and salvage an obviously broken program that has been treated as a back door Old Boys Club gift by NASA administrators from the US Treasury to Boeing.
I left NASA because after being sent to Boeing to help this mess, Boeing didn’t want us there. They were just trying to cover up what they were doing. Temporary workers everywhere and that was 2018.
@@jamesnewman7860 They spent millions of dollars over 3 years refurbishing the B1 test stand at Stennis for the SLS core stage for 1 test. And almost cancelled that test because they were so far behind schedule.
Formed Boeing here. I appreciate this coverage. If you want to protect the identity of anonymous informants, it takes more than omitting their name. The email you showed on screen is plenty for a NASA IT worker to search the email system and quickly ID the culprit for “handling” by management and HR. If you haven’t worked in security-sensitive areas, this takes some careful attention to do properly. Always be thinking “hows can I use the info Ellie published to track down the whistleblower.” Remember that whistleblowers sometimes turn up mysteriously dead, and that when they merely lose their careers it doesn’t make the news.
True, @@subwarpspeed. If it were sent through, say, GMail instead, then the whistleblower could only be tracked down by collaboration with Google (another defense contractor for the US Gov). That would make a whistleblower vulnerable to a smaller (but non-zero) group of people.
NEWS JUST IN: Boeing have been ordered by the FAA: Order - exec-33/949567 to be built into all their new and existing aircraft, a door region underneath, a bit like a B52 bomb bay. Every passenger will be strapped into their seat throughout the flight. The seat will have a built in parachute that will open at any height below 10,000 ft, as long as the bay doors are open. The pilots will have a Martin Baker, that can remotely open the bay doors of the aircraft with explosive bolts if the bay doors could not opened before ejection. The landing is guaranteed to be light and giving the passengers somewhere to sit with ample legroom while they await collection. Boeing have set its sites high this year. The Boeing board will be able to look over the tabletop for the first time ever. NASA have give all board members a free seat on Starliner, or the option of 20 years in the jail-house with or without the rock breaking. Ball and chain extra.
Starliner is autonomous as long as someone On Board "throws the switch" , presses the button, enters their 4 digit pin, turns the key, hits "Return" on the keyboard, installs the autonomous floppy into drive C, turns Starliner off then back on, hits the "space bar", clicks on the help icon, says or enters the last 4 digits of their social security number followed by the pound sign, downloads the troubleshooting manual, push the transporter levers forward while saying "energize". Wishing the astronauts a safe return home...
Only to find out that sequence is specific for when the Sierra Nevadas are catching the first rays of daybreak, Bill Gates must be eating a breakfast bran muffin, 3 children must be standing around a butterfly while wearing ice cream cones on there heads in front of the Google building and in Istanbul bells ring... Any other time, you need to look up the correct checklist for the current time relative to your position as well as your position relative to the state of Virginia...
You forgot the and then press at exactly the right time before you see the message (or else it will be too late). If you do it correctly, then you'll get a code that you enter on the Boeing web site, which if done correctly will give you another code that you can enter and finally the autonomous system will take over. As long as your bill has been paid.
Starliner failing is the most predictable thing to ever happen. Literally everyone was nervous about the flight and for good reason. Boeing is showing that the old standards and practices that made the 747 into the work horse it is, has fallen into the garbage.
Boeing merged with Mcdonnell Dougles in 1997 and gradually MD corporate culture took over Boeing. So the engineers of the 747 were taken over by the money men of the DC-10.
Unfortunately, the problem with Boeing is not the CEO, but the bulk of middle management who are MBA types, don't really understand the engineering, and are willing to cut corners in desperate attempts to meet time and cost budgets. I bet there were engineers saying "hey, shouldn't we retain the autonomous control capability?", while a bunch of managers saying "if it is not strictly required by the customer, we can save time and money by not qualifying it". Putts Law dominates the organization : "Technology is dominated by two types of people, those who understand what they do not manage and those who manage what they do not understand."
I guess we’ll get to see: a major house cleaning of middle management is necessary to get a major cultural shift. It seems unlikely to me to actually happen, but if it does, it needs to start from the top, so the new CEO is a good first step.
It is certainly true of many large companies but most of them aren't making rockets and spacecraft to take people into space, or airliners for that matter! At this point you couldn't drag me onto a Boeing spacecraft or rocket. And while it's impossible to avoid them when flying commercially I try like hell to do that as well.
Disagree. Boeing CEOs have been embracing profit and cost saving strategies instead of actually pursuing quality products and best assembly practices for decades now. Remember when they lost the F35 program to Lockheed Martin? They were so off the mark it was hilarious. Then they got woke and went DEI. C suite and CEO are directly responsible for these leadership choices.
I’m a Project Manager consultant. If I failed a project or delivered a failed project to a customer I’d be fired. How is Boeing even still in business? They can’t even make good airplanes let alone a space capsule.🤷
even me as a Chinese with poor English can collect the information in English know that Boeing got solid connection with Congress ... many senators back Boeing even Boeing screw it up. 😅😅
Boeing needs to change their corporate culture to change for the better, to be competitive once again. This is absolutely necessary as Boeing is a big part of US industry & economy. Too many MBA suits cause basic errors in production & engineering.
@@mattpobursky850 My brother worked for a sub- contractor that made parts for certain flying vehicles made by certain DoD contract holders. It goes like this: You get a set of drawings. While you are looking them over and making CNC programs you get a revision. Change your working drawing, rewrite the CNC program and start making a part. When you are 75% finished with the part you get a new revision. scrap the part, go throught the process again and start making a new part which will be superceded before you finish, maybe during manufacturing, maybe all the way in testing, maybe after testing while waiting for approval. You get paid for those parts you scrap don't worry. BUT it's not just a part, this is going on with every single part you are working on. Over and over on each one. Each drawing goes through so many sets of hands it may be weeks old all the while someone has been busy changing it. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.
LOVED the song. You have a nice voice and very accurate pitch. Thank you for having me guts to post it without auto tuning it. The unmodified human voice is a beautiful thing.
This can't "Just" be a software thing. If we can update voyager's software while it is on the edge of the solar system, I'm sure we could update the software of a spacecraft docked to the ISS. And if they removed the ability for the software to be updated remotely, well, that really would be unthinkable. I'm sure they removed sensors or some other kind of hardware that the autonomous software makes use of. Anyone who owns a phone or a computer knows that updating software is a thing humans have learned how to do.
This is the most underrated comment. I was thinking about Apollo and how the astronauts had to reprogram things on multiple missions on a barely electronic computer. Starliner should have kept all of the automation code, with it double checked and verified that the astronauts could override it quickly - heck, that was a defining feature of older 7xx airliners from Boeing, that you could override the automation quickly in an emergency or let the computer do all the work on approach and landing. Ridiculous.
Great job Ellie - it’s so refreshing to see a journalist on TH-cam present an unbiased factual news report. Please expand beyond space and cover Tech in general.
I worked space launch and range for Air Force from 1986 to 1998 as active duty, civil service and contractor. In my retirement I still like to keep up with things. You have become my go to source for quick, to the point info. Keep up the good work.
If you are going to get on comment sections on YT, lampooning Boeing's collective stupidity, it would be good to not mouth off like a teenage fktrd yourself. One whistleblower shot himself, and the other died after 2 weeks in hospital, of pneumonia. Grow up.
My god I hate this conspiracy theory. "Mentor Pilot" did a good job covering it on his channel. Every single indication is that they were coincidental accidents. So either Boeing is MUCH better at taking out whistle blowers than doing their main job of building things, or it was just a coincidence.
I sent Ellie a Boeing whistleblower who worked on CST-100's cargo and had extreme grievances over the delayed launch of Starliner. I sent this info to various news outlets, social media people following this: They all ignored me (including Ellie). Anyways, good to see she's finally going back to being a journalist and risking 'bad blood' with Boeing/NASA with this non-puff piece story. She's much better at this, than being a "SpaceX Booth Babe"
This software situation is very bizarre. I worked at NASA back in the Shuttle days and we had to plan for every situation that we could imagine, even ones that were ridiculously unlikely. Thinking Starliner may have to fly autonomously isn't unlikely at all. What if in an emergency station evacuation the people who evacuated on Starliner were injured and not capable of full operation. Or, gasp, what if Starliner had a failure that made it unsafe for the crew to return in it?
What I don't get is, shouldn't there be autonomy available for if the astronauts become incapacitated? Who the heck made the decision to remove the autonomy configuration? This seems like criminal negligence to me. Loss of pressure, smoke in the cockpit, illness, could incapacitate the pilots.
This is the same company that claims Pilot error when their aeroplanes crash and it takes the death of many hundreds of people and several international investigations that prove beyond it doubt before they'll admit it was a design flaw. Boeing has become a synonym for unsafe.
Exactly the same mindset that allowed the 737 Max to be trapped into software glitch-to-crash, unless rhe customer paid extra money for an UNADVERTIZED option.
I am 99% positive that a requirement to even be allowed to dock at the ISS is having the ability to autonomously return the spacecraft. And I bet nobody even gets fired over this utter debacle.
@@andy_in_colorado7060 well... they might fire the dev who told them that it's a bad idea to not have that capability, but who got overruled by their management
8:05 "Consider converting a gas car into an electric one". Hmm. After considering that, I would just design an electric car from the ground up. Converting a gas car into an electric car would take more time, cost more money, and be a suboptimal product. Yup, that's Starliner.
@@darkstar7999 Part of the job, but is his job really worth his soul? Because intentionally knowingly lying like that is basically hydrofluoric acid for the soul.
@@killman369547 That is sort of up to him. Many would say whatever needed to be said to get into space. Some would say whatever needed to be said to get their next meal. For a lot of folks, it truly is just part of the job and it doesn't bother them a whit. I have worked for people like that.
There is something called an FMEA (Failure Mode and Effects Analysis) a simple tool used in many industries. It lists and analyses ALL things that can fail within a system/process. What would be all of the effects of that failure and what do we do to prevent that failure from happening. The probability of occurrence would be determined and actions taken as appropriate. They would at least ALL be considered. Apparently unheard of at Boeing /Nasa
@@ellieinspace Boeing is not the same company as 20 years ago or even 10. But as for Ellie she has become very watchable and informative, and I must say the humorous “what conversation was it?” Gag, was spot on. Good inclusion 👍.
Well, no one thought a few thrusters would fail on the way to the ISS. You saw Suni's dance once onboard, she was happy to be safe! Now the 'FUN' part of the trip begins... Going home has never been so hard...
NEWS JUST IN: Boeing have been ordered by the FAA: Order - exec-33/949567 to be built into all their new and existing aircraft, a door region underneath, a bit like a B52 bomb bay. Every passenger will be strapped into their seat throughout the flight. The seat will have a built in parachute that will open at any height below 10,000 ft, as long as the bay doors are open. The pilots will have a Martin Baker, that can remotely open the bay doors of the aircraft with explosive bolts if the bay doors could not opened before ejection. The landing is guaranteed to be light and giving the passengers somewhere to sit with ample legroom while they await collection. Boeing have set its sites high this year. The Boeing board will be able to look over the tabletop for the first time ever. NASA have give all board members a free seat on Starliner, or the option of 20 years in the jail-house with or without the rock breaking. Ball and chain extra.
NASA trained the two Starliner astronauts for ISS duties exactly because they had a contingency plan if Starliner failed on station. There are failure modes that could render Starliner stranded that do not have anything to do with software or failed thrusters. I'm curious about the software issue.
@@pdutube great contingency plan - SpaceX now has to reschedule three missions to be able to bring the two Stayliner-Astronauts down... a real contingency-plan'd have had a free return-seat in the next two spaceX-missions planned before Starliners launch! then again, a spaceagency sending a "faulty at the pad"-craft into space together with a crew - ...?
Starliner uses 30 year old computer technology (a Pentium Processor and memory) because the transistors on modern computers are so small that cosmic radiation can flip them on and off randomly. Also all of the code has to be stored in memory because optical and magnetic drives could fail during flight. So instead of one powerful computer ,they use several pentium computers networked together. (The ISS uses 386 computers) What probably happened is when they went to add manual override to the existing software they found out that the flight computers didnt have enough memory to do it. So they they just made two versions of the software (manned and unmanned) to avoid adding another computer to the network. The kind of decision an MBA would make. Dear Zoomers It's a "80386 based processor" from the late 1980's .....not 386 individual computers.
I grew up in 1970s and NASA was great at solving unexpected problems. Sklylab lost heat shield at launch - Nasa puts up external heat shield. Apollo 13 explosion - Nasa sents DIY repair instructions & home to earth they go. Fast forward to 2024, Starliner stuck at ISS - Nasa still thinking. I worry for the new moon mission astronauts with this kind of space tech.
They still do it with old tech stuff that was built correctly.. Voyager space probes have been remotely fixed I don't know how many times... Because they were built with the right mindset..
There will be no NASA moon mission. They don't have the necessary competence anymore. SpaceX will probably do it "just because they can" before NASA does.
I think it's less _NASA still thinking_ about it, than NASA are still asking Boeing, _"When are you going to get your sh!tshow fixed?"_ NASA has the minimum safety specs, and Boeing hasn't figured out how to meet them yet. It seems the politics requires alternates and Starliner is the only alternate to Dragon. As such, the politics says it _must_ succeed.
@@NemoConsequentae No, needs say you need alternatives.. One failed launch with falcon, and launches gets stopped until a fix is found. It just happened, although the fix was quick.. It could be a serious issue, and you get probs.. Like Boeings problems right now.. would kinda be a problem if Dragon/Falcon didn't exist, right?
@@MrZnarffy True. Just sad that this is the 'best' anyone else could do. I should have been more specific; politics requires _Boeing_ to make the alternate.
The automated mode isn’t just for sending home an unoccupied spacecraft, it’s also needed for a medical evacuation from the station, if the pilot and / or commander are incapacitated and unable to fly the module manually. I can’t believe Boeing dropped the feature.
This is a huge shocker! Sadly, many managers brownnose their way to the top, and so chaos occurs. A smart manager would have made a comprehensive, categorized FMEA that would address possible failures such as the one disclosed. The remediation would have been to have a fully-tested proven/validated solution such as a space shuttle or escape capsule (like the Apollo capsules that landed in the ocean). These solutions would have been on standby the day the astronauts went to orbit.
Up to killing people or destroying the ISS. Is Boeing trying to rob SpaceX by bringing down the ISS early? They kill two birds with one stone. Get rid of Starliner so no evidence of their failure remains and they don't have to worry about trips to the ISS if it's gone.
@@charlesmaurer6214 Hey! I grew up watching the Keystone Cops, they got things done, at some point... Even the Three Stooges built a better aircraft than Boeing does these days.
I hadn't noticed and went back and looked. WOW! It looked like a temporary hatch, just imagine that if Boeing can't install a temporary hatch properly and astronauts are expected to trust their lives with it, no thanks.;
@@thomasboese3793 paging doctors Howard, Howard, Fine, Besser and Howard your needed on the Boeing floor. Nuck Nuck Nuck, Moe, Larry, Curley, Shemp and Joe. Maybe Boeing could use a few more Howard boys and talk Rance and Ron into doing PR.
Ha Ha Ha I smiled..with your performed version of Starliner sung to the Gilligans Island theme song. I appreciate your great coverage of this concerning situation. Lives at stake. Semper-Fi my friend and thank you 😊 version
As a software engineer, I have to consider everything that could possibly happen and address it. The less careful an engineer is, the more problems are overlooked. You would think they have the best of the best coding for these critical missions. For instance, a single individual wrote the code to land SpaceX boosters-that’s the kind of coder you need to vet everything.
In a situation like a friggin space craft you would think they would have multiple people checking and rechecking code. I don't care how good you are at coding you will make a mistake you gotta have some kinda redundancy some oversight on something so critical.
@@ThmsDouglas exactly. The best of the best coding with the best checking. The smaller the team the better the outcome. That had been my experience. I’m going to guess that Boeing’s team is too large.
Reminds me of this old joke ( hopefully TH-cam doesn't eat the editing ): A software tester walks into a bar. Walks into a bar Runs into a bar. Crawls into a bar. Dances into a bar. Flies into a bar. Jumps into a bar. And orders: a beer. 2 beers. 0 beers. 99999999 beers. a lizard in a beer glass. -1 beer. "qwertyuiop" beers. Testing complete. A real customer walks into the bar and asks where the bathroom is. The bar goes up in flames.
I'm wanting to know why Nasa moved forward with dissimilar spacesuits for the 2 spacecraft, thereby negating any possible rescue using the other spacecraft because of different designs. I would have thought they learned this lesson with the CO2 scrubber issue on Apollo 13. It boggles the mind.
Not part of the memo of what the specs. were. Every company has its own ideas of how things get done and NASA sees that as a good thing. It pushes innovation. (Well, for SpaceX it worked. Boeing, not so much. Remember, there are the older Russian suits still in use also.)
Absolutely! There should at a minimum be some kind of universal connector piece that could connect the different spacesuits with the different spacecraft...and yes, an agreed upon size and fitting for all spacesuits, Boeing, Space X, NASA and the Russian spacesuits just seems like common sense...right?
NEWS JUST IN: Boeing have been ordered by the FAA: Order - exec-33/949567 to be built into all their new and existing aircraft, a door region underneath, a bit like a B52 bomb bay. Every passenger will be strapped into their seat throughout the flight. The seat will have a built in parachute that will open at any height below 10,000 ft, as long as the bay doors are open. The pilots will have a Martin Baker, that can remotely open the bay doors of the aircraft with explosive bolts if the bay doors could not opened before ejection. The landing is guaranteed to be light and giving the passengers somewhere to sit with ample legroom while they await collection. Boeing have set its sites high this year. The Boeing board will be able to look over the tabletop for the first time ever. NASA have give all board members a free seat on Starliner, or the option of 20 years in the jail-house with or without the rock breaking. Ball and chain extra.
Exactly, they need to remove all management above 1st line level and replace with people who have started out as engineers. Business Administration training can come from within. The crap being taught at current University level is 100% Maximize profits for large shareowners and management at the cost of everything else.
"Accountants are a dime a dozen as are MBAs" Um... so are engineers. Boeing was managed by an engineer CEO prior to the Max crashes. There goes that theory.
@@TD_YT066 NEWS JUST IN: Boeing have been ordered by the FAA: Order - exec-33/949567 to be built into all their new and existing aircraft, a door region underneath, a bit like a B52 bomb bay. Every passenger will be strapped into their seat throughout the flight. The seat will have a built in parachute that will open at any height below 10,000 ft, as long as the bay doors are open. The pilots will have a Martin Baker, that can remotely open the bay doors of the aircraft with explosive bolts if the bay doors could not opened before ejection. The landing is guaranteed to be light and giving the passengers somewhere to sit with ample legroom while they await collection. Boeing have set its sites high this year. The Boeing board will be able to look over the tabletop for the first time ever. NASA have give all board members a free seat on Starliner, or the option of 20 years in the jail-house with or without the rock breaking. Ball and chain extra.
Starliner can't undock without a human aboard. Put someone in a SpaceX spacesuit and have them manually undock. They then eject from capsule and spacewalk back to ISS after attaching rockets to Starliner and launching it into the Sun.
I guess they have thought about that. I just wonder if something makes it difficult to leave the capsule in space. That probably is a new senario for it. Things like emptying it of air so they can open the door might not be anything they ever thought they had to do. Anyway, I guess they won't detach it from the station until they have something on the way to replace it with.
It may be a different division of the Company but the B-52s probably want all of their component I.D. plates modified to remove the word Boeing. Q: How can this be the same Company? A: It's not.
Yeah , I lit a firework a few years ago ,in the kitchen . I didn't realise how dangerous it was till after I lit it . The house did burn down but it looked pretty cool .
Back. In the mid 80's, I moved to Seattle. One of my new friends was a Boeing employee. He gave me a cartoon of a stewardess at the front of the airplane saying, " If in the event we should suddenly loose cabin pressure, I fusloge repair kit will drop down from the compartment above your head." Nothing has changed in 40 years.
Boeing : "please don't have us in the middle of this". I have shocking news for Boeing, you ARE the "middle of this". Quote, "reads like an article from the Onion"......solid burn, man. Solid burn.
New requirement to inspire better decision making. For initial manned flights ALL top level deciders at the company get locked into a large airtight container with enough supplies for the planned duration of the trip. They get out when the crew gets safely back.
Did anyone else notice that parts were falling off the Starliner while it was being transported on the ground? Good Grief Boeing. You can't even design something to go 20 miles an hour.
Starliner needs a code update to add back the Fully Autonomous Return feature. There is a non-zero chance the code update could brick the Starliner. If that happens they have a Starliner stranded stuck on the ISS. That is what NASA never wants to happen.
Its worse than you say. There is a non-zero chance that on undocking the Starliner could go into an orbit that collides with ISS itself. The configuration patch is possible, but it is impossible to know if the soft/hardware interface will work properly with damaged thrusters. (Those damn unpredictable events.)
Someone (Ellie?) please make an image of Starliner at the ISS with "USS Minnow" on the spacecraft as if it was the official logo of Starliner.. It should go viral! (For those that don't know, "USS Minnow" was the name of the Gilligan's Island boat.)
The "Minnow" name came to be because FCC Chairman Newton Minow famously proclaimed in 1961 that network television was a "vast wasteland," and so Sherwood Schwartz answered his statement with the fearless crew of Gilligan's Island for three seasons and a movie. I wonder if it should start with USSF, for "United States Space Force"? It did launch from a USSF pad.
The hatch cover blew off while they were transporting it. Boeing said it was just a protective cover and wasn't important but somehow I'm not reassured... LOL
It was my FIRST thought way back then when I watched it for the first time. So excited about surviving the trip on the Boeing crapsule. Little did she know then!
Hey Ellie! You really have a great singing voice and natural musical talent! As a musician and song writer myself, I know how hard it can be for most people do a good job singing a cappella. You have good pitch and did pretty good changing the key accurately! I am very curious to know what your musical background is. Can you please share more about that with us in the near future? Not kidding girl! Your voice and talent is WAY above average!!! Great potential to do something with it if you chose to do so!!!
Wow! This made my day I grew up taking singing lessons, started doing classical music and then did some of my own songwriting in college. I’m pretty rusty and don’t sing much anymore, but it’s probably one of my greatest passions in the world and I don’t know why I don’t do it more. I’m sure once I have a baby eventually I’ll sing to it a lot. For the longest time I was too shy to sing, but man, I love it. I did get a certificate of merit once :-) Sure, I’d love to talk about it!
THAT isn't engineering as I understand it. Did they rely on summarized data under assumptions,,instead of verifying every every decision, process, and testing?
Project manager looks at quarterly finanical report : "Quality control and training...yeah I don't see those things listed anywhere as something investors or my bosses care about."
Oh, I really appreciate you covering this. I was on X yesterday and there are disagreements over the term "stranded" referring to Sunny and Butch. Sadly, a lot of misinformation was being spread. Arguments about how, "respectfully I dont see this as being stranded"....their quote..not mine. Ignoring the definition and meaning, but choosing to spin their own truth about their definition of the word. Its mind boggling to read posts on X with outright denial of this situation. You have not bent the truth or choose to redefine a word to suit your prespective....that speaks volumes to how awesome and honest you are. That msg you read off clearly indicating the intention to strand crews is not their design...we all get this. The take away is someone inside admits this is a situation where the crew is stranded...for now. Additionally, on X posts saying how other ships are their for them...when that is completely misleading and readers just swallowed it as ...oh, okay...their not stranded....which is far from truth. Nobody looked into what ships those are...none. The majority are supply ships not designed or equipped to hold crew...as they are full of carge. The only 2 crafts capable of holding crews is the SpaceX Endeavor and the Russian one. Both have a crew assigned to them, and if used will "strand" them until it can return. Furthermore nobody asked if butch and sunny can even fly the Russian craft..do they read Russian? Have they practiced in stimulators....its not like picking up a Nintendo controller. Additionally, can the dragon accommodate 2 extra people beyond crew 8...? Why is NASA so quiet on this? Does it have enough fuel or air for more people...does weight play a factor?...I would imagine these are details covered in all space flight and return. In the end Sunny a Butch, are stranded, as their own ship is not capable of leaving. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous, and Im glad you said they are ...stuck for now.
Expecting rational and sensible discussions on X (or here) between armchair “experts” who have probably never worked even _adjacent_ to a space program is incredibly optimistic. 😂
Sunita flew in a Soyuz previously to the ISS and can speak decent Russian. Dragon capsule could fit 7 people but persons 5, 6 and 7 would sit below persons 1,2.3 and 4 and NASA is uncomfortable with that arrangement for splashdowns. But they could do it in an emergency...However, NASA prefers to use seats 5,6 and 7 for taking supplies and equipment up and also bringing science experiments and broken hardware back down beneath the 4 returning astronauts.
@@ellieinspace You're already getting shadow banned. I can't cast your video to my tv or bring it up on the app on my tv. I can see it on my phone app and share it, but I can't put it on a tv. Lol. I think you might have a hit on your hands .
So, no autonomous software. Why? Were they too cheap to put in a large enough SSD for both sets of software? Could they not spare the additional $70 for the extra storage space? I sure hope that somebody gets fired for this.
Who would thunk that a stand-alone system that has known to be failure prone sensors and can force the plane to dive into the ground that we haven't trained pilots on could cause an issue 😮
What I am hearing, in the explanation Butch and Suni gave, in their NASA/BOEING briefing: Starliner does launch under minimal autonomous control. But when the problem with the RCS thrusters began, Butch and Suni had to engage manual control systems to /reconfigure/restart the RCS thrusters., and had to remain on manual control for ISS docking. This can mean that once manual control was engaged, it was impossible to reengage autonomous control programming. This is the problem in the 'auto/manual' control switchover protocol.
It's two very different things to autonomous dock with the space station and to autonomously undock and land. Going to the space station doesn't have the critical deorbit burn. In coming back you don't have do overs or time to correct and take several tries. You hit re-entry with one try and if you are outside the angle required you burn up or bounce off the atmosphere and out into space. There isn't enough power in the manoeuvering thrusters to go back into orbit and try again. On shot and you fail or succeed. Docking you can make several tries till you get it right.
Real life, real live action! The hatch protection cover came off due to a shift in the wind. No worries, no humans in danger. No damage to the Starliner. (It gets ripped off anyway.)
Thank you Ellie! That f'n tune has been ripping a hole in my head ever since this saga went into week three... I could hear the parallels warming up in the string section you might say... so thanks for taking a shot at it -- excellent pitch, great tambre, but you're only working with so much of a story to begin with :) Great fun! Thanks for taking a good shot at it!
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7:26 - did the window just pop out????
When someone says no one considered this, they considered it and said no.
Please, Ellie… stop with the ‘YouYube Stupid/Angry/Startled/Surprised Faces’.
You were better than that when you started.
Return to your honesty and in-depth reporting.
Honestly, I now hesitate to click on your videos because of those “TH-cam Faces”.
And I’ve been following since long-ago.
@@ernestgalvan9037I AGREE!
@@ernestgalvan9037 If that's what you need, may I suggest "Eager Space" as a good youtube alternative. Personally I enjoy Ellie's personality that she brings to a very interesting but potentially dry subject matter. Love this channel. Eager Space too but for different reasons.
Side note: I wish Everyday Astronaut would come out with more but it's still possible Tim is mired in the funk of losing his Moon Mission. I would be. Hope he gets another chance to go. Tragic end to high hopes and dreams.
Nobody at NASA thought that autonomous control would be needed? Really? Okay, scenario one: the astronauts are incapacitated.
This was absolutely a horrific oversight on both Boeing & NASA's part. The very idea of not being able to return the capsule without astronaut input is critical to astronaut survival. No other detail really matters, the core of the mission should always be astronaut safety.
Cost savings and short cuts.
Scenario two: something else breaks along the way
@@MrGchiasson DANG bean counters!
Scenario 3 - something goes dramatically wrong on Starliner, making it critical to separate it from ISS and de-orbit (even if a destructive de-orbit) without personnel. Say, after a debris strike that holes the pressure vessel or heat shield beyond orbital repair, and you need to clear the docking port for a rescue mission.
The only reason to drop the automated control system was *cost savings* . Boeing and NASA are willing to add foreseeable risk to astronauts' lives in order to save a few bucks and salvage an obviously broken program that has been treated as a back door Old Boys Club gift by NASA administrators from the US Treasury to Boeing.
I left NASA because after being sent to Boeing to help this mess, Boeing didn’t want us there. They were just trying to cover up what they were doing. Temporary workers everywhere and that was 2018.
@@jamesnewman7860 They spent millions of dollars over 3 years refurbishing the B1 test stand at Stennis for the SLS core stage for 1 test. And almost cancelled that test because they were so far behind schedule.
To be fair, which I shouldn't be, they were probably worried you guys were going to give away their trade secrets to other companies.
@@ryelor123 what trade secrets? how to miss the ISS on your first test flight?
@@ryelor123do you know what happen if NASA were to give proprietary data to another company? No you don’t. Go away.
@@ryelor123... secrets such as how to turn the 737 into a kamikaze dive bomber?
Formed Boeing here. I appreciate this coverage.
If you want to protect the identity of anonymous informants, it takes more than omitting their name. The email you showed on screen is plenty for a NASA IT worker to search the email system and quickly ID the culprit for “handling” by management and HR. If you haven’t worked in security-sensitive areas, this takes some careful attention to do properly. Always be thinking “hows can I use the info Ellie published to track down the whistleblower.” Remember that whistleblowers sometimes turn up mysteriously dead, and that when they merely lose their careers it doesn’t make the news.
Assuming that the informer sent the info though NASA IT systems. Could have typed that on any personal device and messaging account.
True, @@subwarpspeed. If it were sent through, say, GMail instead, then the whistleblower could only be tracked down by collaboration with Google (another defense contractor for the US Gov). That would make a whistleblower vulnerable to a smaller (but non-zero) group of people.
This assumes that the "whistleblower" wasn't instructed by NASA to leak in order to help make it look like Boeing, not NASA, were the bad guys.
It was just problem with semantics...when NASA said it was a "crewed mission", Boeing heard it as a "crude mission." 🤣
Ooooo dissssss
Screwed mission?
NEWS JUST IN: Boeing have been ordered by the FAA: Order - exec-33/949567 to be built into all their new and existing aircraft, a door region underneath, a bit like a B52 bomb bay. Every passenger will be strapped into their seat throughout the flight. The seat will have a built in parachute that will open at any height below 10,000 ft, as long as the bay doors are open. The pilots will have a Martin Baker, that can remotely open the bay doors of the aircraft with explosive bolts if the bay doors could not opened before ejection. The landing is guaranteed to be light and giving the passengers somewhere to sit with ample legroom while they await collection. Boeing have set its sites high this year. The Boeing board will be able to look over the tabletop for the first time ever. NASA have give all board members a free seat on Starliner, or the option of 20 years in the jail-house with or without the rock breaking. Ball and chain extra.
Rather "screwed" dont you think 😮😮😢😢😢
🤣🤣🤣
Starliner is autonomous as long as someone On Board "throws the switch" , presses the button, enters their 4 digit pin, turns the key, hits "Return" on the keyboard,
installs the autonomous floppy into drive C, turns Starliner off then back on, hits the "space bar", clicks on the help icon, says or enters the last 4 digits of their social security number followed by the pound sign, downloads the troubleshooting manual, push the transporter levers forward while saying "energize". Wishing the astronauts a safe return home...
Well, you only need ONE sacrificial astronaut to do all that. I guess Butch & Suni will have to flip a coin.
Only to find out that sequence is specific for when the Sierra Nevadas are catching the first rays of daybreak, Bill Gates must be eating a breakfast bran muffin, 3 children must be standing around a butterfly while wearing ice cream cones on there heads in front of the Google building and in Istanbul bells ring...
Any other time, you need to look up the correct checklist for the current time relative to your position as well as your position relative to the state of Virginia...
You forgot the and then press at exactly the right time before you see the message (or else it will be too late). If you do it correctly, then you'll get a code that you enter on the Boeing web site, which if done correctly will give you another code that you can enter and finally the autonomous system will take over. As long as your bill has been paid.
Astronauts will return safely thanks to SpaceX.
@@bondgabebond4907 Maybe so, but how will they de-orbit Starliner?
Starliner failing is the most predictable thing to ever happen. Literally everyone was nervous about the flight and for good reason. Boeing is showing that the old standards and practices that made the 747 into the work horse it is, has fallen into the garbage.
Boeing merged with Mcdonnell Dougles in 1997 and gradually MD corporate culture took over Boeing. So the engineers of the 747 were taken over by the money men of the DC-10.
Yes, good old fashioned greed took over.
And hey just last week the Air Force awarded Boeing 2.6 billion dollars to develop the E-7A AEW&C Wedgetail aircraft. I wonder how that will go
Apparently, the OceanGate motto: ""No uninspiring 50-year-old white guys!" is currently also sinking Boeing. They reap what they sow.
These updates sound like the movie..."Groundhog day".
Unfortunately, the problem with Boeing is not the CEO, but the bulk of middle management who are MBA types, don't really understand the engineering, and are willing to cut corners in desperate attempts to meet time and cost budgets. I bet there were engineers saying "hey, shouldn't we retain the autonomous control capability?", while a bunch of managers saying "if it is not strictly required by the customer, we can save time and money by not qualifying it".
Putts Law dominates the organization : "Technology is dominated by two types of people, those who understand what they do not manage and those who manage what they do not understand."
True of so many large companies.
@@jeffconley6366 I've said this for 20+ years about ANY large company. MBAs: Ruining a beloved business near you.
I guess we’ll get to see: a major house cleaning of middle management is necessary to get a major cultural shift. It seems unlikely to me to actually happen, but if it does, it needs to start from the top, so the new CEO is a good first step.
It is certainly true of many large companies but most of them aren't making rockets and spacecraft to take people into space, or airliners for that matter! At this point you couldn't drag me onto a Boeing spacecraft or rocket. And while it's impossible to avoid them when flying commercially I try like hell to do that as well.
Disagree. Boeing CEOs have been embracing profit and cost saving strategies instead of actually pursuing quality products and best assembly practices for decades now.
Remember when they lost the F35 program to Lockheed Martin? They were so off the mark it was hilarious.
Then they got woke and went DEI.
C suite and CEO are directly responsible for these leadership choices.
I’m a Project Manager consultant. If I failed a project or delivered a failed project to a customer I’d be fired. How is Boeing even still in business? They can’t even make good airplanes let alone a space capsule.🤷
Because f big money influence in congress. Oh was that a rhetorical question?
even me as a Chinese with poor English can collect the information in English know that Boeing got solid connection with Congress ...
many senators back Boeing even Boeing screw it up. 😅😅
Look at Boeing's DoD contracts and you'll get your answer.
Boeing needs to change their corporate culture to change for the better, to be competitive once again. This is absolutely necessary as Boeing is a big part of US industry & economy. Too many MBA suits cause basic errors in production & engineering.
@@mattpobursky850 My brother worked for a sub- contractor that made parts for certain flying vehicles made by certain DoD contract holders. It goes like this:
You get a set of drawings. While you are looking them over and making CNC programs you get a revision. Change your working drawing, rewrite the CNC program and start making a part. When you are 75% finished with the part you get a new revision. scrap the part, go throught the process again and start making a new part which will be superceded before you finish, maybe during manufacturing, maybe all the way in testing, maybe after testing while waiting for approval. You get paid for those parts you scrap don't worry. BUT it's not just a part, this is going on with every single part you are working on. Over and over on each one. Each drawing goes through so many sets of hands it may be weeks old all the while someone has been busy changing it. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.
11:08 When a TH-cam creator starts singing like that, you know that Boeing has a PR problem....
First space shanty?
LOVED the song. You have a nice voice and very accurate pitch. Thank you for having me guts to post it without auto tuning it. The unmodified human voice is a beautiful thing.
Imagine how much weight they saved by not retaining the unmanned Starliner capsule software! That software must have been very very heavy!
It was probably written in BOLD. We all know that bold text weighs more than standard text.
It probably required $500 in tech salary to rewrite a line or two of code.
Manager: "That's $500 in my bonus pocket! Toss it!"
Lol
even if a totally different computer was needed , I'd choose it over a smuggled bottle of vodka
This can't "Just" be a software thing. If we can update voyager's software while it is on the edge of the solar system, I'm sure we could update the software of a spacecraft docked to the ISS. And if they removed the ability for the software to be updated remotely, well, that really would be unthinkable. I'm sure they removed sensors or some other kind of hardware that the autonomous software makes use of. Anyone who owns a phone or a computer knows that updating software is a thing humans have learned how to do.
"It's better to have something and not need it than to need something and not have it".
New challenge: any newly built spacecraft is required to have at least the same features as the Gemini.
A true 21st century vehicle needs microtransactions to enable such luxurious features.
Including a hatch making it a cabriolet for those good weather days 🙂
This is the most underrated comment. I was thinking about Apollo and how the astronauts had to reprogram things on multiple missions on a barely electronic computer. Starliner should have kept all of the automation code, with it double checked and verified that the astronauts could override it quickly - heck, that was a defining feature of older 7xx airliners from Boeing, that you could override the automation quickly in an emergency or let the computer do all the work on approach and landing. Ridiculous.
@@downstream0114 I guess NASA's card declined.
The trouble is Boeing is stuck in the Gemini era where SpaceX has gone way beyond those times and is winning the game.
I hope you get 20k plus extra subscribers because of that last song in the final few minutes of the clip. That was good! Thx
Aw/ thank you
I was really worried about including it
Great job Ellie - it’s so refreshing to see a journalist on TH-cam present an unbiased factual news report. Please expand beyond space and cover Tech in general.
That Boeing article would make more sense if it was posted on April 1 and not the 4th.
It probably was, but it took 3 days to upload :’)
yeah the date was a typo!
I worked space launch and range for Air Force from 1986 to 1998 as active duty, civil service and contractor. In my retirement I still like to keep up with things. You have become my go to source for quick, to the point info. Keep up the good work.
You forgot to mention the steady stream of dead Boeing Whistle blowers.
Boeing: "Which whistle blowers? Do you know any? We would like to meet them."
If you are going to get on comment sections on YT, lampooning Boeing's collective stupidity, it would be good to not mouth off like a teenage fktrd yourself.
One whistleblower shot himself, and the other died after 2 weeks in hospital, of pneumonia.
Grow up.
Been learning from the Clintons.
Arkancide is a real thing.
Do we now have Boeingcide??
RIP
My god I hate this conspiracy theory. "Mentor Pilot" did a good job covering it on his channel. Every single indication is that they were coincidental accidents. So either Boeing is MUCH better at taking out whistle blowers than doing their main job of building things, or it was just a coincidence.
"I'm sorry Dave I'm afraid I can't do that."
I sent Ellie a Boeing whistleblower who worked on CST-100's cargo and had extreme grievances over the delayed launch of Starliner.
I sent this info to various news outlets, social media people following this: They all ignored me (including Ellie).
Anyways, good to see she's finally going back to being a journalist and risking 'bad blood' with Boeing/NASA with this non-puff piece story.
She's much better at this, than being a "SpaceX Booth Babe"
Butch's statement was made because he didn't want to commit suicide with multiple shoots to the head.
Clinton's in Space 🤣
This software situation is very bizarre. I worked at NASA back in the Shuttle days and we had to plan for every situation that we could imagine, even ones that were ridiculously unlikely. Thinking Starliner may have to fly autonomously isn't unlikely at all. What if in an emergency station evacuation the people who evacuated on Starliner were injured and not capable of full operation. Or, gasp, what if Starliner had a failure that made it unsafe for the crew to return in it?
Redundancy has taken on a rather different meaning in today's large corporations, sadly.
ISS policy is that any time a capsule changes ports its crew must be on board just in case the docking fails, and the crew must return to Earth.
@@jamescobban857 I am very surprised that someone who worked at NASA doesn't seem to be aware of that.
well, i guess all astronauts on this globe should learn an 11th commendment: "if it's boeing, thou shall not be going"...
Well apparently no one thought of that one; considering the issue with the spacesuits....
What I don't get is, shouldn't there be autonomy available for if the astronauts become incapacitated? Who the heck made the decision to remove the autonomy configuration? This seems like criminal negligence to me. Loss of pressure, smoke in the cockpit, illness, could incapacitate the pilots.
This is the same company that claims Pilot error when their aeroplanes crash and it takes the death of many hundreds of people and several international investigations that prove beyond it doubt before they'll admit it was a design flaw. Boeing has become a synonym for unsafe.
Exactly the same mindset that allowed the 737 Max to be trapped into software glitch-to-crash, unless rhe customer paid extra money for an UNADVERTIZED option.
I am 99% positive that a requirement to even be allowed to dock at the ISS is having the ability to autonomously return the spacecraft. And I bet nobody even gets fired over this utter debacle.
@@andy_in_colorado7060 well... they might fire the dev who told them that it's a bad idea to not have that capability, but who got overruled by their management
also who ever wrote that puff piece at Boeing about driverless car comparison didn't get the memo or outrighted lied.
8:05 "Consider converting a gas car into an electric one". Hmm. After considering that, I would just design an electric car from the ground up. Converting a gas car into an electric car would take more time, cost more money, and be a suboptimal product. Yup, that's Starliner.
You just brought a huge smile to a guy recovering from surgery. Thank you!
*Poor Butch … Imaging having to spout nonsense that you know to be bullshit?*
Part of the job, my friend. As a retired Navy Captain (O6) and Astronaut, I am sure he has slung his share of bullshit during his career.
@@darkstar7999 Part of the job, but is his job really worth his soul? Because intentionally knowingly lying like that is basically hydrofluoric acid for the soul.
@@killman369547 That is sort of up to him. Many would say whatever needed to be said to get into space. Some would say whatever needed to be said to get their next meal. For a lot of folks, it truly is just part of the job and it doesn't bother them a whit. I have worked for people like that.
There is something called an FMEA (Failure Mode and Effects Analysis) a simple tool used in many industries. It lists and analyses ALL things that can fail within a system/process. What would be all of the effects of that failure and what do we do to prevent that failure from happening. The probability of occurrence would be determined and actions taken as appropriate. They would at least ALL be considered. Apparently unheard of at Boeing /Nasa
For Bowing...the FMEA list would fill a book. So, they ignored it.
@@MrGchiasson Several books, but that's the point: cover absolutely every potential failure.
Ellie just “out angried” angry. Great reportage.
LOL what have I become!?
@@ellieinspaceWhat has Boeing become??
@@ellieinspace Boeing is not the same company as 20 years ago or even 10. But as for Ellie she has become very watchable and informative, and I must say the humorous “what conversation was it?” Gag, was spot on. Good inclusion 👍.
"until next time this has been Ellie, STAY ANGRY ABOUT SPACE!!!"
Wait , no one considered that a demo flight might have issues returning the crew home? Insane!
Well, no one thought a few thrusters would fail on the way to the ISS. You saw Suni's dance once onboard, she was happy to be safe!
Now the 'FUN' part of the trip begins... Going home has never been so hard...
NEWS JUST IN: Boeing have been ordered by the FAA: Order - exec-33/949567 to be built into all their new and existing aircraft, a door region underneath, a bit like a B52 bomb bay. Every passenger will be strapped into their seat throughout the flight. The seat will have a built in parachute that will open at any height below 10,000 ft, as long as the bay doors are open. The pilots will have a Martin Baker, that can remotely open the bay doors of the aircraft with explosive bolts if the bay doors could not opened before ejection. The landing is guaranteed to be light and giving the passengers somewhere to sit with ample legroom while they await collection. Boeing have set its sites high this year. The Boeing board will be able to look over the tabletop for the first time ever. NASA have give all board members a free seat on Starliner, or the option of 20 years in the jail-house with or without the rock breaking. Ball and chain extra.
NASA trained the two Starliner astronauts for ISS duties exactly because they had a contingency plan if Starliner failed on station. There are failure modes that could render Starliner stranded that do not have anything to do with software or failed thrusters. I'm curious about the software issue.
@@pdutube great contingency plan - SpaceX now has to reschedule three missions to be able to bring the two Stayliner-Astronauts down... a real contingency-plan'd have had a free return-seat in the next two spaceX-missions planned before Starliners launch! then again, a spaceagency sending a "faulty at the pad"-craft into space together with a crew - ...?
Especially when the previous test mission was riddled with issues...
Starliner uses 30 year old computer technology (a Pentium Processor and memory) because the transistors on modern computers are so small that cosmic radiation can flip them on and off randomly.
Also all of the code has to be stored in memory because optical and magnetic drives could fail during flight.
So instead of one powerful computer ,they use several pentium computers networked together.
(The ISS uses 386 computers)
What probably happened is when they went to add manual override to the existing software they found out that the flight computers didnt have enough memory to do it.
So they they just made two versions of the software (manned and unmanned) to avoid adding another computer to the network.
The kind of decision an MBA would make.
Dear Zoomers
It's a "80386 based processor" from the late 1980's .....not 386 individual computers.
I grew up in 1970s and NASA was great at solving unexpected problems. Sklylab lost heat shield at launch - Nasa puts up external heat shield. Apollo 13 explosion - Nasa sents DIY repair instructions & home to earth they go. Fast forward to 2024, Starliner stuck at ISS - Nasa still thinking. I worry for the new moon mission astronauts with this kind of space tech.
They still do it with old tech stuff that was built correctly.. Voyager space probes have been remotely fixed I don't know how many times... Because they were built with the right mindset..
There will be no NASA moon mission. They don't have the necessary competence anymore. SpaceX will probably do it "just because they can" before NASA does.
I think it's less _NASA still thinking_ about it, than NASA are still asking Boeing, _"When are you going to get your sh!tshow fixed?"_ NASA has the minimum safety specs, and Boeing hasn't figured out how to meet them yet.
It seems the politics requires alternates and Starliner is the only alternate to Dragon. As such, the politics says it _must_ succeed.
@@NemoConsequentae No, needs say you need alternatives.. One failed launch with falcon, and launches gets stopped until a fix is found. It just happened, although the fix was quick.. It could be a serious issue, and you get probs.. Like Boeings problems right now.. would kinda be a problem if Dragon/Falcon didn't exist, right?
@@MrZnarffy True. Just sad that this is the 'best' anyone else could do. I should have been more specific; politics requires _Boeing_ to make the alternate.
No.1 Hit
Ellie - Love that song.
I don't know the song is 7/10 her voice was a little high. Overall 8/10
All you need is Chris Hadfield to accompany you. Great lyrics.
@@rolfhauser3190 Yeah. Could use Autotune tho.
If not for the courage of the fearless team, the Starliner would be lost!
The Starliner would be lost..
A three week tour.
"If not for the SpaceX Dragon crew, the Starliner would be lost."
DEI NASA/Boeing make Gilligan & the Skipper look good.
Rename it StarMinnow.
The automated mode isn’t just for sending home an unoccupied spacecraft, it’s also needed for a medical evacuation from the station, if the pilot and / or commander are incapacitated and unable to fly the module manually. I can’t believe Boeing dropped the feature.
This is a huge shocker! Sadly, many managers brownnose their way to the top, and so chaos occurs. A smart manager would have made a comprehensive, categorized FMEA that would address possible failures such as the one disclosed. The remediation would have been to have a fully-tested proven/validated solution such as a space shuttle or escape capsule (like the Apollo capsules that landed in the ocean). These solutions would have been on standby the day the astronauts went to orbit.
‘Any press is good press.’-famous last words.
Challenger/Columbia type press is good press??
Up to killing people or destroying the ISS. Is Boeing trying to rob SpaceX by bringing down the ISS early? They kill two birds with one stone. Get rid of Starliner so no evidence of their failure remains and they don't have to worry about trips to the ISS if it's gone.
Yeah Airbus is loving the "MAX" press 🤣
Micheal O-Leary disagrees..
Though Ryanair can get away with it… Until they started taking delivery of MAXs.
Three Mile Island helped kill nuclear energy, before Chernobyl.
Love the Gilligan island parody ! 😂❤
The answer is yes, we've all seen the hatch cover blow off at 7:25
Totally LOVED the love! Thank you for letting me SHARE on my stream.
The song is destined to go viral.
I really enjoyed this format!
The skit was fun.
And, the song at the end was silly and awesome.
Thank you for creatively informing us!
Yay, thank you!
I was a little worried about how it would all be received
Let’s make news fun !
7:25 did anyone else spot the panel that decided it wasn't going to stay attached to starliner?
Yep and it never gets old, same issues as the planes. Keystone cops of spaceflight and flight is Boeing's MO now.
@@charlesmaurer6214 Hey! I grew up watching the Keystone Cops, they got things done, at some point... Even the Three Stooges built a better aircraft than Boeing does these days.
I hadn't noticed and went back and looked. WOW! It looked like a temporary hatch, just imagine that if Boeing can't install a temporary hatch properly and astronauts are expected to trust their lives with it, no thanks.;
I was watching and saw the same exact thing… 7:28… at least they are consistent…
@@thomasboese3793 paging doctors Howard, Howard, Fine, Besser and Howard your needed on the Boeing floor. Nuck Nuck Nuck, Moe, Larry, Curley, Shemp and Joe. Maybe Boeing could use a few more Howard boys and talk Rance and Ron into doing PR.
Please make a short of the jingle so I can share it with my NASA friends. This is solid gold!😂
Your song could be top ten if you make it a short video on its own. Please, please, pretty please.
Agreed!! 🏆⚓⛵🌌
Add a video with clips of the voyage and release it like a Weird Al video,
I thought Elle was going to sing a Bowie number. 😂😂😂
Just sing a little slower next time, you are running out of breath.
Edit: having the melody playing on headphones helps a lot.
Ha Ha Ha I smiled..with your performed version of Starliner sung to the Gilligans Island theme song.
I appreciate your great coverage of this concerning situation. Lives at stake.
Semper-Fi my friend and thank you
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7:25 typical Boeing, the door blew off!
As a software engineer, I have to consider everything that could possibly happen and address it. The less careful an engineer is, the more problems are overlooked. You would think they have the best of the best coding for these critical missions. For instance, a single individual wrote the code to land SpaceX boosters-that’s the kind of coder you need to vet everything.
In a situation like a friggin space craft you would think they would have multiple people checking and rechecking code. I don't care how good you are at coding you will make a mistake you gotta have some kinda redundancy some oversight on something so critical.
@@ThmsDouglas exactly. The best of the best coding with the best checking. The smaller the team the better the outcome. That had been my experience. I’m going to guess that Boeing’s team is too large.
Reminds me of this old joke ( hopefully TH-cam doesn't eat the editing ):
A software tester walks into a bar.
Walks into a bar
Runs into a bar.
Crawls into a bar.
Dances into a bar.
Flies into a bar.
Jumps into a bar.
And orders:
a beer.
2 beers.
0 beers.
99999999 beers.
a lizard in a beer glass.
-1 beer.
"qwertyuiop" beers.
Testing complete.
A real customer walks into the bar and asks where the bathroom is.
The bar goes up in flames.
I'm wanting to know why Nasa moved forward with dissimilar spacesuits for the 2 spacecraft, thereby negating any possible rescue using the other spacecraft because of different designs. I would have thought they learned this lesson with the CO2 scrubber issue on Apollo 13. It boggles the mind.
Not part of the memo of what the specs. were. Every company has its own ideas of how things get done and NASA sees that as a good thing. It pushes innovation. (Well, for SpaceX it worked. Boeing, not so much. Remember, there are the older Russian suits still in use also.)
Absolutely! There should at a minimum be some kind of universal connector piece that could connect the different spacesuits with the different spacecraft...and yes, an agreed upon size and fitting for all spacesuits, Boeing, Space X, NASA and the Russian spacesuits just seems like common sense...right?
The song was icing on the cake!😂. Prayers for a safe return--eventually!
Great report! I loved the closing song! Ellie has found space in my heart. ♥
This sounds like someone was told to take off their engineers hat and put on their managers hat again. Will they ever learn?
Congrats, Ellie, channel’s really evolving beautifully!
NEWS JUST IN: Boeing have been ordered by the FAA: Order - exec-33/949567 to be built into all their new and existing aircraft, a door region underneath, a bit like a B52 bomb bay. Every passenger will be strapped into their seat throughout the flight. The seat will have a built in parachute that will open at any height below 10,000 ft, as long as the bay doors are open. The pilots will have a Martin Baker, that can remotely open the bay doors of the aircraft with explosive bolts if the bay doors could not opened before ejection. The landing is guaranteed to be light and giving the passengers somewhere to sit with ample legroom while they await collection. Boeing have set its sites high this year. The Boeing board will be able to look over the tabletop for the first time ever. NASA have give all board members a free seat on Starliner, or the option of 20 years in the jail-house with or without the rock breaking. Ball and chain extra.
Ridiculous. Perhaps putting real experienced Engineers in charge would help. Accountants are a dime a dozen as are MBAs. My to cents.
Exactly, they need to remove all management above 1st line level and replace with people who have started out as engineers. Business Administration training can come from within. The crap being taught at current University level is 100% Maximize profits for large shareowners and management at the cost of everything else.
There is truth in what you say. However, many real engineers don't want to be managers, they want to do engineering.
Accountants should added to Lawyers in the Shakespearean reference.
"Accountants are a dime a dozen as are MBAs"
Um... so are engineers.
Boeing was managed by an engineer CEO prior to the Max crashes. There goes that theory.
@@TD_YT066 NEWS JUST IN: Boeing have been ordered by the FAA: Order - exec-33/949567 to be built into all their new and existing aircraft, a door region underneath, a bit like a B52 bomb bay. Every passenger will be strapped into their seat throughout the flight. The seat will have a built in parachute that will open at any height below 10,000 ft, as long as the bay doors are open. The pilots will have a Martin Baker, that can remotely open the bay doors of the aircraft with explosive bolts if the bay doors could not opened before ejection. The landing is guaranteed to be light and giving the passengers somewhere to sit with ample legroom while they await collection. Boeing have set its sites high this year. The Boeing board will be able to look over the tabletop for the first time ever. NASA have give all board members a free seat on Starliner, or the option of 20 years in the jail-house with or without the rock breaking. Ball and chain extra.
Starliner can't undock without a human aboard.
Put someone in a SpaceX spacesuit and have them manually undock.
They then eject from capsule and spacewalk back to ISS after attaching rockets to Starliner and launching it into the Sun.
"Space walk"? SpaceX suits aren't designed for that.
I guess they have thought about that.
I just wonder if something makes it difficult to leave the capsule in space. That probably is a new senario for it.
Things like emptying it of air so they can open the door might not be anything they ever thought they had to do.
Anyway, I guess they won't detach it from the station until they have something on the way to replace it with.
You just watched The Martian ending did you?
Starliner is not getting anywhere close to the Sun anytime soon.
😅
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge Δv required to shove something into the sun.
The airlock isn't designed to fit a worn spacesuit through it.
It may be a different division of the Company but the B-52s probably want all of their component I.D. plates modified to remove the word Boeing. Q: How can this be the same Company? A: It's not.
Yeah , I lit a firework a few years ago ,in the kitchen . I didn't realise how dangerous it was till after I lit it .
The house did burn down but it looked pretty cool .
Hey Boeing, it's _crewed mission_ , not _crude_ mission
Sadly it’s turned out more like “screwed” mission. :(
Gold
@@capnrico8877 Crudely Screwed Crewed Mission
Maybe there's a seat sensor like a lawn mower so it won't work autonomously unless it senses an astronaut is in the seat.
A seat sensor switch should be able to be shorted?
Seat pressure sensors that work with gravity?
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'do not bypass safety interlocks'
"like a lawn mower" - lol
my lawnmower is a safety briefing waiting to happen.
Back. In the mid 80's, I moved to Seattle. One of my new friends was a Boeing employee. He gave me a cartoon of a stewardess at the front of the airplane saying, " If in the event we should suddenly loose cabin pressure, I fusloge repair kit will drop down from the compartment above your head." Nothing has changed in 40 years.
Boeing : "please don't have us in the middle of this".
I have shocking news for Boeing, you ARE the "middle of this".
Quote, "reads like an article from the Onion"......solid burn, man. Solid burn.
I mean, it’s blasphemy
New requirement to inspire better decision making. For initial manned flights ALL top level deciders at the company get locked into a large airtight container with enough supplies for the planned duration of the trip. They get out when the crew gets safely back.
Did NASA know?
Of course NASA knew! They exercised proper oversight of Boeing under the Commercial Crew contracts, didn't they? 🤔
I think of the theme music from the 60's sci-fi show...
"Lost in space" when I hear 'starlings updates'.
Release the song at the end as a short, it could go viral
Great song at the end Ellie, and thanks for the update as always
Did anyone else notice that parts were falling off the Starliner while it was being transported on the ground? Good Grief Boeing. You can't even design something to go 20 miles an hour.
The fact that you made up more than one verse for your song was pretty impressive 😂 I was laughing pretty hard 👍
Starliner needs a code update to add back the Fully Autonomous Return feature.
There is a non-zero chance the code update could brick the Starliner.
If that happens they have a Starliner stranded stuck on the ISS.
That is what NASA never wants to happen.
Its worse than you say. There is a non-zero chance that on undocking the Starliner could go into an orbit that collides with ISS itself. The configuration patch is possible, but it is impossible to know if the soft/hardware interface will work properly with damaged thrusters. (Those damn unpredictable events.)
Someone (Ellie?) please make an image of Starliner at the ISS with "USS Minnow" on the spacecraft as if it was the official logo of Starliner.. It should go viral! (For those that don't know, "USS Minnow" was the name of the Gilligan's Island boat.)
SS Minnow. Not a military ship.
The "Minnow" name came to be because FCC Chairman Newton Minow famously proclaimed in 1961 that network television was a "vast wasteland," and so Sherwood Schwartz answered his statement with the fearless crew of Gilligan's Island for three seasons and a movie.
I wonder if it should start with USSF, for "United States Space Force"? It did launch from a USSF pad.
@@darkstar7999 Thanks for correcting!
StarMinnow, then?
Love the story and the song!
You are a unique treasure in this media space. You're doing great work that nobody else was doing.
Your Song and Singing worthy of Awards.! Great Coverage. :)😊
at 7:26 part of starliner blows away!
Yeah, Looked like a window cover. Probably not critical, but still hilarious, given the current situation.
The hatch cover blew off while they were transporting it. Boeing said it was just a protective cover and wasn't important but somehow I'm not reassured... LOL
@@kstaxman2 Hatch covers are detachable from their passenger aircraft, too. Okay, door covers, but isn't a doorway a hatch?
I just saw that. Anything falling off the Starliner is bad press. Is this the "Starliner" or the Ford Pinto? 🇨🇦
Ellie the filksinger! 😂
That took courage, and it’s sure took me out of my comfort zone!
But you did a great job with it. Thanks for the update.
All of the excessive excitement Suni had when exiting Starliner is starting to make sense now.
That excessive excitement was only to waggle that mess of hair. So unprofessional
It was my FIRST thought way back then when I watched it for the first time. So excited about surviving the trip on the Boeing crapsule. Little did she know then!
Hey Ellie! You really have a great singing voice and natural musical talent! As a musician and song writer myself, I know how hard it can be for most people do a good job singing a cappella. You have good pitch and did pretty good changing the key accurately! I am very curious to know what your musical background is. Can you please share more about that with us in the near future? Not kidding girl! Your voice and talent is WAY above average!!! Great potential to do something with it if you chose to do so!!!
Wow! This made my day
I grew up taking singing lessons, started doing classical music and then did some of my own songwriting in college. I’m pretty rusty and don’t sing much anymore, but it’s probably one of my greatest passions in the world and I don’t know why I don’t do it more. I’m sure once I have a baby eventually I’ll sing to it a lot. For the longest time I was too shy to sing, but man, I love it.
I did get a certificate of merit once :-)
Sure, I’d love to talk about it!
THAT isn't engineering as I understand it. Did they rely on summarized data under assumptions,,instead of verifying every every decision, process, and testing?
Project manager looks at quarterly finanical report : "Quality control and training...yeah I don't see those things listed anywhere as something investors or my bosses care about."
I, for the life of me, haven't been able to figure out why Starliner wasn't canned years ago.
Boeing has a lot of politicians in their pockets.
The word you are missing is "kickback".
Oh, I really appreciate you covering this. I was on X yesterday and there are disagreements over the term "stranded" referring to Sunny and Butch. Sadly, a lot of misinformation was being spread. Arguments about how, "respectfully I dont see this as being stranded"....their quote..not mine. Ignoring the definition and meaning, but choosing to spin their own truth about their definition of the word. Its mind boggling to read posts on X with outright denial of this situation. You have not bent the truth or choose to redefine a word to suit your prespective....that speaks volumes to how awesome and honest you are.
That msg you read off clearly indicating the intention to strand crews is not their design...we all get this. The take away is someone inside admits this is a situation where the crew is stranded...for now.
Additionally, on X posts saying how other ships are their for them...when that is completely misleading and readers just swallowed it as ...oh, okay...their not stranded....which is far from truth. Nobody looked into what ships those are...none. The majority are supply ships not designed or equipped to hold crew...as they are full of carge. The only 2 crafts capable of holding crews is the SpaceX Endeavor and the Russian one. Both have a crew assigned to them, and if used will "strand" them until it can return. Furthermore nobody asked if butch and sunny can even fly the Russian craft..do they read Russian? Have they practiced in stimulators....its not like picking up a Nintendo controller. Additionally, can the dragon accommodate 2 extra people beyond crew 8...? Why is NASA so quiet on this? Does it have enough fuel or air for more people...does weight play a factor?...I would imagine these are details covered in all space flight and return.
In the end Sunny a Butch, are stranded, as their own ship is not capable of leaving. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous, and Im glad you said they are ...stuck for now.
Expecting rational and sensible discussions on X (or here) between armchair “experts” who have probably never worked even _adjacent_ to a space program is incredibly optimistic. 😂
Sunita flew in a Soyuz previously to the ISS and can speak decent Russian. Dragon capsule could fit 7 people but persons 5, 6 and 7 would sit below persons 1,2.3 and 4 and NASA is uncomfortable with that arrangement for splashdowns. But they could do it in an emergency...However, NASA prefers to use seats 5,6 and 7 for taking supplies and equipment up and also bringing science experiments and broken hardware back down beneath the 4 returning astronauts.
Ever since Boeing and McDonnel Douglas merged, that new company's motto has been: short-term profit and the stock price above all else.
Thanks for keeping up to date
Is it just me, or were there bits falling off the capsule at 7:26 ?
Windshield cover fell off during transport
@@bubblesculptor thought for a moment there someone forgot some door bolts.. 🤔
You need to make that song a short to share. That was awesome!
I did! Just uploaded! Check the shorts tab!
@@ellieinspace You're already getting shadow banned. I can't cast your video to my tv or bring it up on the app on my tv. I can see it on my phone app and share it, but I can't put it on a tv. Lol. I think you might have a hit on your hands .
So, no autonomous software. Why? Were they too cheap to put in a large enough SSD for both sets of software? Could they not spare the additional $70 for the extra storage space? I sure hope that somebody gets fired for this.
It’s like NASA just missed the whole MCAS situation
Who would thunk that a stand-alone system that has known to be failure prone sensors and can force the plane to dive into the ground that we haven't trained pilots on could cause an issue 😮
What I am hearing, in the explanation Butch and Suni gave, in their NASA/BOEING briefing: Starliner does launch under minimal autonomous control. But when the problem with the RCS thrusters began, Butch and Suni had to engage manual control systems to /reconfigure/restart the RCS thrusters., and had to remain on manual control for ISS docking.
This can mean that once manual control was engaged, it was impossible to reengage autonomous control programming. This is the problem in the 'auto/manual' control switchover protocol.
It's two very different things to autonomous dock with the space station and to autonomously undock and land. Going to the space station doesn't have the critical deorbit burn. In coming back you don't have do overs or time to correct and take several tries. You hit re-entry with one try and if you are outside the angle required you burn up or bounce off the atmosphere and out into space. There isn't enough power in the manoeuvering thrusters to go back into orbit and try again. On shot and you fail or succeed. Docking you can make several tries till you get it right.
nope !
*the software for autonomous return is NOT loaded into the capsule*
@maxflight777 I don't think that's true. All the software is there, but the configuration isn't calling it.
I see lawsuits coming out of this, investors are pissed.
Why does 7:27 show a window support flying off???
Real life, real live action! The hatch protection cover came off due to a shift in the wind. No worries, no humans in danger. No damage to the Starliner. (It gets ripped off anyway.)
Thank you Ellie! That f'n tune has been ripping a hole in my head ever since this saga went into week three... I could hear the parallels warming up in the string section you might say... so thanks for taking a shot at it -- excellent pitch, great tambre, but you're only working with so much of a story to begin with :) Great fun! Thanks for taking a good shot at it!
As an Australian watching this it seems ludicrous that Boeing did not install the autonomous software.
How can you have reliable information on Starliner when Starliner isn't reliable ?
Great video!
I loved the enactments of the Boing-NASA phone calls.
Ii thought of that song when I 1st heard of this story. Your version is great!!!
If the original mission was supposed to be 10 days.. how did they know to pack enough supplies and food for 8 months? 🤔
Considering the issues Boeing has been having building their airplanes, why does anyone think they should be building spaceships at this time?
So, Boeing has partnered with The Onion. That explains a lot. Starloser is a joke.
Loved the Gilligan's allusion song.
Remember, most of the time trash in trash out.
They didn't pay the extra $7500 for the full self driving option.
Great singing!!!!!