Imperial Japanese Navy - The Man in the High Castle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2018
- The Man in the High Castle is an American television series depicting a dystopian alternate history. The series is based on the 1962 novel of the same name by Philip K. Dick. In the series' alternate version of 1962, the Axis powers have won World War II and divided the United States into the Greater Nazi Reich, comprising more than half of the eastern part of the continent, and the Japanese Pacific States to the west.
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The most unrealistic part of this is the Japanese Navy and Army getting along.
eh relations can change over time its been what 25 years? since WWII for them here
@@Methyll The bad blood between them goes all the way back to Sengoku period actually, so I doubt they would've fixed that in 20 years.
Actually they were united in cooperation during their early wars with Imperial China, Russia and Germany. They were also united and cooperative on how to deal with Nationalist China. The only division exists is that how could both of them deal with the deadlock.
But now that China is their province for almost 20 years, yes. This scene might be realistic.
Maybe perhaps with the will of the Japanese chief of staff, they needed a more combined arms effort to counter the Germans who were masters at it?
i dont get in why is navy and army not get along can some1 explain to me pls
If you look at the map , they have 5 yamato class battleship in the pacific ocean , like the japanesse navy planned to have 5 of them originally in real life . Nice touch 👌
I'm sure that is just a coincidence, this show is pretty terribly researched
He’s right, there does appear to be 5 of the same model on the map, the Yamato. It seems that Yamato is in San Francisco. Musashi, Shinano, Warship Number 111 and Warship Number 797 are either: two of them crossing paths in the middle of the Pacific Ocean (not in Pearl Harbour because you can make out Hawaii isn’t near them) one near the Aleutian Islands of Alaska and one in the New Siberian Islands. Which is interesting that most of them are in the north instead of being nearer to Japan or in the Philippines, and of course that we aren’t told of their warship names anyway, to keep the secrecy of the rest of the Yamato-Class, so yes- I think this show is *very* well researched.
@@FiveSkitsAtFreddys Are they shown in this clip?
@@arthurmead5341 No they're not lmao they have many German details in it and almost no leftist bias like most shows nowadays have the only weird thing in this show is that Himmler is 2nd in line and becomes führer while he ended up being a disloyal bitch towards the end of ww2 and Göring who always remained loyal (but fell out of favor w Hitler for his lifestyle etc towards the later years of ww2 to be fair) is dead and betrayed as a traitor vaguely and barely mentioned.
@@arthurmead5341 Let me be clear I'm speaking only about the Nazi German specifics about the show not the Japanese since I'm not nearly as well studied on those specifics so they might not have hit the Japanese details as well idk but they did very well with most Nazi German aspects
And this is how San Francisco became San Fransokyo
@SERGIO MONTES JR
Lol
Heh
@David Bal'air IT'S an IMAGE. How HOw HOW
@@Ricafort11 How did you...?
It's cool to see an Imperial Carrier with Jet-Fighters
Yet they still use Flak Guns
@@chloernilsson3265 this is the late 1950/1960s. SAM systems weren’t fully equipped onto every ship yet.
@@chloernilsson3265 OMG, I'm so glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that! No close in 20mm cannons (*not* talking about CIWS) either. Watching those battleships slip into the bay, all I could think was how weird it is that this is supposed to be roughly 20yrs after the end of the war, and despite apparent post-war military evolution resulting in the appearance of jets, large fleet carriers and helicopters in the IJN, the battleships are built to WWII configuration, equipped with WWII specific armaments. I mean in our timeline, the US SAM-N-2 Lark was 16 years old at this point, and the Nazis had been developing SAMs since about '41 onwards. Ironically, the Oerlikon RSD 58 would have been available as it was developed by Switzerland (who were still independent in this timeline) and were employed by Japan in our timeline from about 1958 onwards. VFX studios producing great imagery that's anachronistic (chronologically/historically inconsistent) is a fairly common thing in film and TV these days though.
@Bernard de Fontaines Except, they are. Flak isn't used on ships the same way it was last century. Now it's more about filling the sky with a screen of lead, instead of firing explosive charges that have an AoE.
@Bernard de Fontaines Yeah, but they're not flak guns, which was your point.
Love seeing Yamato and the IJN fleet. The situation between the Empire and the Reich would be the same as the postwar United States and Soviet Union in real life. Victors squabbling over the spoils.
It may not actually be Yamato herself. Possibly Musashi or Shinano. Interesting to see the re-fitted aft flight deck though
@@TeddylsALiar valid point there. I'll have a check. Yamato had more AA guns than Musashi. 0:17 you can see five 25mm mounts tight on the ships beam. I m pretty certain we have Yamato here. But alternate history....
That’s actually pretty interesting because you’d think Japan would retrofit their ships with superior AA after building a helicopter flight deck on them. The Japanese 25mm is renowned for being one of the worst AA guns of the war. But that’s well spotted.
@@TeddylsALiar This is not Shinano, because Shinano was converted to a carrier. Also, this would be not Musashi because Musashi did have less anti-air turret, but that could be possible changed if she didn't sink in this timeline in 1944.
Alternative history genius
Its cool to see the Yamato battleships get the Iowa treatment. And seeing jets on the decks of Japanese carriers is cool too.
Japanese are also using Kamov helicopters which was also cool
What the fuck is a "Iowa treatment"
@@JaguarKnight-hk7gl battleship modernization
For example, Yamato got missile and the plane catapult is changed to helipad like the Iowa
@@caa4118 Is this all in the show? because if so then that explains why I didn't know since I don't watch it
What fighter jets were they? What was their name
What no one told the Japanese of the massive oil and natural gas deposits in Alaska, Canada, and Mexico?
I'm not sure anyone really knew at that time...Alaska North Slope: March 1968. Plus the Mexican oilfields were in eastern Mexico and would have fallen under Nazi influence/control.
Siberia Also has oil
Yeah I’m female historian fired from Vikings for not being feminist, programs do not hire legit historians or scientists for sci fi.
Terrible research just terrible.
@@darcyjones279 really? That’s terrible
@Juan Garcia Canada has a massive amount of oil in the western half, the oilsands are part of that.
1:24 Funny how Sweden and Switzerland were able to maintain independence and neutrality
Yeah they traded with the nazi's and i think they didn't seem a big threat to hitler
@@fluffehpancakes1102 They probably turned national socialist themselves and hold good relations with the reich.
The borders in Europe makes no sense - Czechs still have Sudetenland, France has Alsace-Lorraine, Hungary has a pre-war borders, there's even Austria and Poland and that little
Königsberg/Kaliningrad area, created after the war. But whatever.
Hitler hated the swiss, he had plans to invade so this makes no sense but I'm not gonna question.
@@primkup If the map in the warroom, whole Europe is in nazi control. Maybe this was an outdated map.
Maybe they would not be having fuel shortages if they didn't sail a damn Yamato Class battleship all the way across the Pacific...
I bet there is 100 or more Yamato ships possessed by the Japanese. Not to mention the whole Japanese fleet which love to travel their territories instead of just chill in Tokyo or SF
when will the Japanese learn that BBs are pretty much obsolete in the world of CVs
@@erichvondonitz5325 The obsolescence of the battleship is slightly overstated. They had their uses and were still considered important assets to the fleet even in the later years of the war. What the carrier represented was the ability to project force over a much longer distance. Where as battleships were considered the premier strategic weapon of a nation before World War II, the carrier supplanted the battleship in that role. At least in the Pacific anyway. Its interesting because in the relative confines of the Atlantic and Mediterranean, battleships were still the most important element of a fleet. Probably because the shear number of land based aircraft meant that even carriers were not that useful.
Three words: Wave Motion Tech. They were probably bringing the _Yamato_ to San Francisco for a refit into a Space -Hotel- Battleship.
@@erichvondonitz5325
The Allies didn’t learn that lesson either, going by the Iowas…..
"we must convince them of our superior culture"
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Anime is superior culture!!
Hentai: worship me!
Ja
@@Zagoreni02A nope
@@eustache_dauger no
Honestly, man in the high castle should've ended with a world war between the nazi's and empire with the resistances caught in the middle
Definetly. That would be pretty neat
well anything for a different ending tbh
MONEY, if there was a greater interest in the show maybe, but for some reasons it never really took off. A bit too slow for the simples out there maybe?
Thank you for the Spoiler Asshole.
Plxton I think if the show had been higher budget overall, it would have done quite well. Especially if it was on Netflix with one or two known actors.
Being on amazon prime, a fairly small budget by some comparisons and also a pretty flimsy sci-fi element (honestly, the show just being set in this alternate universe was cool enough) all added up to the show never gaining much ground.
I did enjoy it though.
It's great to see both superpowers tech and manpower in this series, the Germans have enormous manpower, brilliant engineering and tech like jet planes, mighty tanks. While the Japanese on the other hand looks modest on the ground but puts tremendous value in Naval power.
The Japanese were also developing jet engines and high-tech.
Island nations like England and Japan always put more emphasis on naval power.
@@imrankh68 because they're island nations, ofc they're gonna put more effort and money in naval forces
Now back to the real world people where the US actually won the war. Built the best technology and gave most of the world freedom.
I can see why you'd like that. You have a highschooler's understanding of history.
Ahh what a fine fleet. TOO BAD NOTHING IS EVER DONE WITH IT.
This show rides on the coattails of one good idea, and that can only get you so far, so it's not surprising it nosedived in season 4.
Lol because World War Three of Japan vs. Germany would be too expensive so instead we get these cheap ass plots about Juliana sleeping her way through america
They needed that one extra season, Season 3 was setting up some interesting ideas between having more Japanese-American characters (Which this show sorely needed) and a ton of other things. Obviously though the fact that they had to change writers/showrunners after Season 2 wasn't a good sign though, and it definitely seems like they weren't giving things enough time to breathe. If they had that extra season, it should have focused more on the Japanese liberalizing and considering withdrawal, as well as actually introduce the BCR and let the audience understand their place in the plot. The last season would have been TOTALLY fine. Definitely disappointing to finish the series the way they did, it was like taking a steak out of the oven and throwing it in the microwave.
Its the problem with the whole show. Nothing is happening. It isnt even a "slow burn"-show, its more like the the burn goes out and every 5th episode someone rushes in to ignite it again in pure desperation
@@SuperAerie exactly! There was always some threat of WWIII or inter dimensional shenanigans that never materialized because they probably didn’t have the budget for it or kinda wrote themselves into a hole
The show only gets engaging when the season is about to end
Love that Kamov inspired helo at 1:27. I hypothesize that many Soviet scientists and engineers escaped to the Japanese Empire as the Reich overran the USSR.
Not Kamov inspired, it IS a Kamov; a Ka-27 to be exact
Seems to me that Japan would likely have started taking over giant swaths of the Soviet Union if the Germans had effectively destroyed them and were conquering the place. Japanese foreign policy before the end of WW2 was very opportunistic and they almost never failed to press a point of clear advantage. Like how they joined the Allies in WW1 and soaked up a bunch of German colonized islands and territories uncontested.
The Japanese in real life made it clear that they would invade the Soviet Union if they were either on the brink of collapse or if their army strength was lowered to a certain level in which the Manchurian-Japanese Army can handle
@@jornpop7973 they werre actually chased away in 1939.. the battles scared them so much that they decided to go for the us instead
Kinda like Operation Paperclip when the USA recruited German scientists who were fleeing from the Soviets (including rocket scientist Wernher von Braun, the former SS officer who later directed the Apollo program). That's a subtle touch from the film makers.
Weapons from different countries and times all mixed up together. A new genre is born : Military fusion films!
More like "Military CONfusion films"
@@golem5809 spritual succesor of uganda interviewa
Would watch a film specifically under that genre
Oh wait we already have a lot of them
Ace combat
India to be precise... We own US/Russians/Japanese/German/French/Swedes/Britain and our own made in India military equipment.
For anyone wondering, this may not actually be Yamato but instead Musashi as she was Inoguchi’s flagship in the Battle of the Sibuyan Sea, where Musashi sank, and because she replaced Yamato as flagship of the Combined Fleet in 1943. I’m guessing this is supposed to be Battleship Division 1 accompanied by Carrier Division 1 (based on Taiho’s appearance here). I’m not entirely sure which Destroyer Division is accompanying them here, so if anyone knows, please do tell.
As others have pointed out, it appears that the Yamato-class received the “Iowa treatment” and was fitted with modern equipment. What others may not have noticed is that the ship is not equipped with triple-mounted 25 mm Type 96 AA weaponry, but rather the twin-mounted 40 mm Type 5 “Bofors” as seen behind the sailors in 0:25, which Japan developed but never adopted thanks to incompetence within High Command and resource shortages within the IJN.
Yamato, I imagine, would have probably remained deep in Japanese territory as the flagship of the 2nd Fleet, possibly in Kure with their Naval District. Shinano would have likely been completed as a battleship, since she would have been completely useless as a support carrier, and most likely stationed in Maizuru with their Naval District. I imagine the show’s writers or historical consultants really did their homework when it came to Japanese equivalents to modern American equipment. Although, I, and I’m pretty sure others are as well, am still baffled as to why the IJN and the IJA are getting along given their incredibly hostile history towards each other ever since their establishment, and why Tojo is still Prime Minister instead of Yamamoto given how ludicrously incompetent the man was throughout the war.
Edit: Never mind, I’ve just noticed the map at 1:23, which indicated that Japan did construct all five Yamato-class battleships in this timeline: Yamato, Musashi, Shinano, Kii and 767 (possibly Mino). Yamato is most likely the one down south in the Pacific Ocean, possibly as part of Battleship Division 4, meeting Shinano, possibly Battleship Division 5. Kii might be the one in the Aleutians as part of Battleship Division 2 and 767 as part of Battleship Division 3 in the Arctic Ocean.
It’s a shame they didn’t commit to this level of detail when they went for Season 4, but oh well.
Season 4 was a total joke, we all know that. But the first 2 seasons as well as some part of season 3 is just awesome!
I think they chose to replace the Kyokukitsuki cause it's been associated with Japanese tyranny as I like to describe it like the Swaztika for the Nazi's
A British railfan spotted welcome aboard
That would be an incorrect comparison.
The Kyokujitsu-ki has been used by Japan before Hirohito’s, as well as Konoe and Tojo's reign, beginning from the Edo period in 1603.
The flag has been used throughout Japan's history and should not be tarnished because of 10 years of brutal reign from a tyrannical government that destroyed Japan's wartime reputation in the 1930s and 1940s. Fortunately, the flag is still in use to this day (albeit with a brighter color red to legally distinguish it from the Imperial version) by the modern JMSDF and allowed by the United Nations, with the only insignificant protests from Korea and the People's Republic of China. The flag is no different from the German Handelsflagge from 1867, which is still legally allowed to this day despite its brief usage by the Nazi government and Wehrmacht.
A more appropriate comparison with the Nazi Hakenkreuz would be the Taisei Yokusankai, which was created by the tyrannical government of Japan in 1940.
I now realize that the reason why the Kyokujitsu-ki wasn't used on the arm patches is probably the same reason why American, British, Russian and modern Japanese soldiers don't wear the flags of their armed branch, but rather their national flag to identify them by their country as the ships' colors will symbolize that they are the navy.
"A lighter hand is needed" Said no Japanese officer of the imperial Japanese army ever
Because of course states and their methods never change
@@fatchins9126 Japan declared total war, so I doubt it. The way they treated prisoners of war also is a good indicator they viewed the rest of the world as subhuman, (shall I maybe ask the Chinese also?) and weren't planning on changing anytime soon.
@@kurtmeyer2996 For god sake, stop with the feelings and start with your brain. The Japanese aren’t as stupid as like to view them, of course they would eventually come up with a way to try to stablize their empire, much like any nation in existence.
@@kurtmeyer2996 Do you know how the Japanese treated the PoWs who were transported to the Home Islands?
@@firemangan2731 The Japanese were strategically excellent. The navy magnificent. The cause behind them not so much. From what I'm feeling you'd rather they won they second world war? Maybe the Nazis would've stopped the holocaust too. I had a grandfather who was forced to march Sandakan, and the story's he told of how the Japanese treated other human beings would make you vomit. If they weren't defeated, I doubt they would've changed, but again I'm open to hear your argument.
When I first saw this scene with the Yamato passing under the Golden Gate bridge it gave me goosebumps!!
Goosebumps of horror
Man good thing we didn't have this weak ass version of the US the real one was cutting gold out of the head of the dead zippers and stackin em like sand bags dont forget that whole nuclear ordeal aswell
@@mixinthebisquic1238 and with our youth under a rainbow flag yelling "we are oppressed".
@@not_noah69 Look everyone. Here, we have a wild homophobe, in it's natural habitat of the internet. It seems to be doing it's purpose in life and hating on people seemingly because they simply like someone of the same gender. Ridiculous, I tell you.
Didn't some of the Iowa class vessels go under the Golden Gate Bridges a couple of times in real life? Quite ironic it's Japanese rival is doing the same thing in this universe.
It’s a shame we didn’t get to see a full scale initially non-nuclear WW3 play out between Japanese Empire and Greater German Reich in the final season. It would be a toss up for which side to route for as both sides are so horrible, but I think I’d probably route for Japan. Geographically I think it would be an interesting conflict to play out in a war game.
That could have been done after they fooled the Nazis after the Trade Minister brought back US Nuclear test films from our timeline since before that the Nazis wouldn't hesitate to use nuclear weapons if the Imperial Japanese doesn't have a way to retaliate
just the plot of warhammer 40k, every side sucks, now fight!
They died an easy death compared to the other option. You, however, will meet a much harsher fate.
@@kittyyuki1537 But then John Smith discovered the same evidence of the H bomb from our timeline. Chances are, he would be willing to call their bluff and assume they do not have that advanced of a nuke.
But regardless, the nazis did not need to go to war against Japan when they could control resources to edge Japan out. The Japanese territories are not nearly as well entrenched and are more spread out than the German. Germany has basically America up to the Louisiana Purchase, all of Europe, and I think Africa and Asia Minor. Many well developed trade routes. Japan has territories throughout the largest ocean in the world, and poking into mainland Asia. The Germans have a lot of territory but also well developed supply lines, and territories that can sustain themselves. Japan would need some robust economic expansion in the territories to catch up.
It's root, not route.
1:24 Random Russian Helix helicopter, first flight 1973, entered service in the early 80s. Clearly 1962 Imperial Japan has a time traveling device.
Don’t feel like you can question the historical accuracy of a tv show with a nazi portal to other dimensions
Since Japan occupies eastern Russia, maybe they found some kind of blue print or even a prototype and decided to make it?
Since Heydrich is alive in the early season's of the show (he died in 1942 in real life), the point of divergence from the real world timeline has to be pre mid 1942, anything after that date the writers have complete creative license over. Japan could have developed tech from parts of the world they controlled slightly earlier than in the real world timeline. So I appreciate the need to show off your knowledge, but its not inaccurate in the context of the show.
@@Live.Laugh.Lobotomy Fair point regarding the Nazi space/time portal.
@@JackoJ15 But is it believable?Creative license doesn't mean you can include anything.Might as well have the IJN equipped with F-35s by that logic and using GPS.
1:25 Why does Japan have 3 large fleets just chilling in the north pole.
Because they can I guess...? Maybe the North Pole is a naval base for the IJN...? Maybe those fleets are getting some repair and rearm...??? Who the hell can know
On the bottom
As reefs! Hirohito was a fish scientist!
An Itchy-cologist...
The Nazis have a literal base on Venus in this timeline, the Japanese can have a north pole base
i mean it wouldn't make logistical sense since in the same universe the japanese are dealing with a massive chinese uprising and their resources are spread so thin that they have to abandon their most bountiful supply of oil.
@Bernard de Fontaines Yea idk what he's talking about
A chopper together with Yamato, the most realistic war scene ever.
I just really love the mix of older World War II tech and vehicles with newer late 1950's and 60's stuff kind of reminds me of Fallout New Vegas before the nuclear war.
And a Russian one at that !
@@shannonman2 a KA-29 IIRC, which surprised me. That was also when I paused and read the description.
It's tricky business to pilot cargo ships into San Francisco Bay (I lived there). They always use tugs to guide them into the very narrow 'safe zone' free of underwater obstacles. If the Japanese Fleet were harbored in San Francisco most likely they would have stayed outside the Golden Gate Bridge, maybe one or two destroyers or heavy cruisers escorted into the bay. Still, it's a very scary and eerie sight to see the USA no more, and all the Japanese military present. I recall Juliana Crane saying how she remembered seeing the Japanese Tanks rolling along the embarcadero in 1946...
@Tim Larsen totally incorrect. Plenty of images of Missouri in the Bay Area, not to mention all the big cargo ships docked by USS Hornet. Guess I’d better add the (I live there) like you did to make me sound like some kind of expert! Also shave that moustache off, it makes you look like a massive twunt!
My dads carrier sailed under the bridge on it's way to Vietnam. Got pics of it and everything.
San Francisco had many battleship berths. It's not a major issue
Yeah, I thought that the clip showing multiple large Japanese capital ships going under the Golden Gate Bridge in very close formation was a little unrealistic.
@@user-do5zk6jh1kHence fleet week. But mostly came to the Bay Area for reparation at Mare Island, north east of the San Fransisco Bay.
The whole premise of the Axis powers winning ww2 is brilliant. The ultimate what if scifi story. Kudos to Phillip K Dick for imagining this, and to the makers of this TV Series to stay true to his vision.
Actually when people get into alternate history the first thing they think about is what if axis wins WW2, Philip K Dick is not the first person to think about this scenario
No it's not, it has been imagining thousands of times. It's only brilliant because you get an hard on Nazi and fascist
@@Arras13568 Yes and whoever writes it...its a very implausible premise anywhich way, but its "fun" to imagine...
@@fhlostonparaphrase I agree it, is fun to imgine
Is it faithful to the book? They made four seasons but there's only one book so was curious how similar they are to each other.
Theres something extremely satisfying about seeing a Yamato class superbattleship juxtaposed with modern aircraft
I know, right.
Inspector Kido was my favorite. He was the most pragmatic. Not a fanatic. Just a man who put his country first.
I gained a lot of respect for him throughout the show wish him and Frank didn't have to become enemies but he never should of executed Franks sister, niece, and nephew for something they weren't even involved in.
I always thought it was weird the way SF is still using Left Hand drive.
I feel like the Japanese would have changed it to Right Hand drive.
Japan drives on the left.
@@p0sn Japan drives on the left but it is a Right Hand Drive country.
The USA drive on the right, but is a Left Hand Drive country.
RHD & LHD refer to what side of the car the steering wheel is on. Not the side of the road.
To keep continuity of road with the German occupied East Coast when the two trade I guess
Think of the cost to move all the road signs, stop lights, removing and repainting all the lines. a lot of roads would have to be redesigned Also most of the population was still American. Why spend all that money and use all that time for the small population of Japanese?
@@Tampainian Whilst true, I just figured for the show it would've made it seem more stark. That it truly is a Japanese occupied zone.
I love the fact that in the middle of a Fleet still packed with battleships, the IJN are flying Ka-27 Helix choppers . . . . .
More like Ki-27 "Herrikkusu choppers
Well, it is 1962
I always liked the Soviet co-axial helicopters
どの国でも海軍は美しく、素晴らしい。
けれど、特に自国のものは感動する。
色々な事を考え、心が震える不思議なドラマだった。
I'm really impressed by the modern Japanese Self Defense Force. It might not be an offensive organization but they definitely make the most out of what they have available. My wife is Japanese and we've talked about moving to Japan from Kansas if I could get a job in the Japanese Self Defense Force.
It would have been so amazing if the series had more time to play out, show more scenes of the modernized German and Japanese technologies maybe even a modernized Tirpitz and Bismarck duking it out with the Yamato
I’m not sure about where exactly the timelines for this universe diverts from our own, but Bismarck would have likely already sunk by the time of Axis victory. Tirpitz however I could see surviving and possibly even Scharnhorst - with the latter even potentially getting that 15inch retrofit she so desperately needed.
Hell, maybe German actually managed to complete plan Z in this timeline? … As controversial as it may have been…
@@liamc9998 Bismarck didn't have to sink
@@liamc9998 what was plan z was that the carriers they were designing?
@@tea4life430, technically.
Plan Z, in the broadest of understanding, was the hope to essentially recreate, and improving upon, the power of Imperial Germany’s High Seas Fleet prior to WWI but with more modern developments in naval technology. This would be a large fleet (of around 230 warships) which - in theory - could hopefully place Germany on even footing with that of the Royal Navy when they eventually went to war.
A vague outline of what Plan Z primarily asked for:
- 10 Battleships
- 3 Battlecruisers
- 4 Aircraft Carriers
- 15 Armoured Cruisers
- 5 Heavy Cruisers
- 13 Light Cruisers
- 22 Scout Cruisers
- 68 Destroyers
- 90 Torpedo Boats
Erich Raeder (the man behind the plan and head of Germany’s Navy) believed that it would likely be possible to complete such a fleet by the end of the 1940’s at best and subsequently asked Hitler for his assurances that Germany wouldn’t go to war until then. Hitler agree to this… In 1939…
@@liamc9998 I cannot even fathom if they were successful with this. I mean with the limited ships they did have they wrecked havoc for so long. Tbh it would’ve also prolly caused the fall of Great Britain.
3 mogami class, 1 Yamato class, 1 upgraded Shinano class?
No, that's Taihou, not Shinano.
@@choysakanto6792 Taihou upgraded to Midway-like standards, what looks like F3Hs onboard?
Taiho class with angled deck.
I'd wrote my report in another video about ships below Golden Gate Bridge.
Shinano been built on Yamato's body, her flight deck had Yamato's width.
Decision to convert Shinano into a carrier was taken fairly late in the war out of a need to replace the carriers that were sunk. In such an alternate history scenario it would be very plausible that such need never arose and that Shinano was actually completed as the third Yamato class battleship.
@@mpir7084 Taiho was a better design anyway, Shinano couldn’t operate all the aircraft she carried efficiently
The IJN and Japanese army getting along? I know this is an alternate timeline, but this is immersion breaking
No it isn't. If you want to win a war then you need a central command of the armed forces. In this alternative reality the japanese may have been forced to find scenarios in which combined support was more factible.
@@15241 No, it is. In many cases the IJA and IJN hated each other more than they hated their enemies, and the intense (and sometimes bloody) rivalry stretches back in some form or another to even before the Meiji Restoration, despite popular belief. A magical "central command" doesn't suddenly erase over a century of hatred. This wasn't a simple "I don't like you because you disagree with me" rivalry, it was open assassination of officials, unsanctioned wars, and outright sabotaging each other in a vital and highly contested theatre. The IJA built its own planes, it own fleets, its own carriers, and submarines in competition with the IJN because they distrusted and hated each other so much. And the IJN built up their own ground warfare branches to replace their need for the IJA. They were two nearly independent military forces that hated each other openly and competed over every scrap of money and resources they could.
I like how Taihou new design and also small details on position painting like the arrows and also the Hinomaru
I agree, seeing an aircraft carrier of the Taiho design is nice to see, also that it’s modified with an angled flight deck like american Essex classes after the war.
The angled flight deck was invented by Royal Navy Captain Dennis Cambell.
I think that's a Shinano class - although both classes have angled smokestacks...
@@admiraltee You might want to double check the bow and flight deck. The one showed in video is a modernized Taiho.
You know... I can't really wrap my head around the Yamato chilling out with helicopters. My brain just refuses it.
Let alone Soviet KA57 helicopters painted in a Japanese scheme
1:24 I love how Germany divides Africa using arbitrary af modern borders that literally only exist because of Cold War era decolonialism rather then Reichskommissariats.
Not to mentioned the fact that they apparently never even bothered to annex Austria lmfao, let alone the Sudetenland, Alsace-Lorraine, Poland or anything from Ostland…
I get it’s a 2 second shot but come on, even ignoring internal borders completely would have been better then just painting over modern borders lol.
The map of Africa shown is actually the map when Europe still controlled it, not the present version of the map
@@firemangan5024i check it again it clearly a mordern border than colonial border
1:24 why are there OTL modern borders overimposed on the world map here?
For the record, this is not the first time that the show seems to not contribute a lot of detail to geopolitical scenery. For example, Greater Germany is called "Greater Nazi Reich" which is absurd.
Germany seem's to have prussia to it.
Perhaps former colonies in africa had the same or similar borders?
Shit, you're right
And look like sweden still fighting nazi. they haven't been conquer yet
@@user-ne8uj5ux7g Sweeden was nominally allied to Germany.
Liberal Hollywood morons! -D
A fascinating view of an Alternative Universe; thanks. In the spirit of the 1992 story "Fatherland " by Robert Harris, which was filmed a few years later by HBO with Rutger Hauer as one of the leads.
They are entertaining but just not believable as stories. The US was so powerful and more advanced than the Japanese or Germans that it was never a fair contest.
Fatherland deserves a proper adaptation, that 1994 film just wasn’t it. It’s a shame that we haven’t gotten a true adaptation yet because it’s one of the few alternate history scenarios of WW2 that is the most believable with its execution of the world.
@@brandellsarver9365 Well, it was good for its time (filmed five years after the fall of the Communist East and the Berlin Wall) and it was a fairly-good representation of 1964 Berlin and the "Germania" planned by Albert Speer. So many "re-boots" have a distressing habit of being "sub-optimal" re-interpretations of the original filming. I am sure that Robert Harris would not mind receiving a second set of filming royalty cheques!
@@mikehindson-evans159 I do agree that the best thing that movie did was showcase what a 1960s Germania would look like but I just don’t think a book like the Fatherland is built to be told in one single movie. They could either make a series of films that are all a decent length or just make a 1 to 2 season show (don’t really think it needs a full MITHC treatment of making up its own story).
This show had so much potential
1:24
You can see Sweden 🇸🇪 and Switzerland 🇨🇭
Still there on the map
Damn they made it
It’s weird that America being invaded by the axis powers, like impossible The U.S. is the most strongest country in the world there is no explanation what so ever
@@jesemioramirez5283 FDR died in this timeline
@@georgewashington3918 well I forgot, but still
Map showing pre-WW2 borders! Even Manchukuo isn't shown and Korea is divided! -D
@@jesemioramirez5283 unpopular opinion
The us was relying on the Atlantic They thought the germans could never invade them because of it so the us navy focused on japan because it was threatening the pacific and the us thought japan has the highest potential to invade them thats were they mistaken after germany got the Caucasus they have the enough fuel to get there ships to sail through the atlantic and thats were the usa falled
Mass production of JDM cars *INTENSIFIES*
Now I wanna see the Bismarck and the Tirpitz (if they also survived) sail along with the Yamato and the Musashi as allies
@@luanloudexe7528 imagine they built the G. Kurfurst class battleship
This fictional Cold War between the Imperial Japanese Empire and Axis Germany is much more interesting than our real world Cold War between the US and the Soviets or at least in my opinion.
Both Cold War factions of our time are cringe and birthed the "New Left."
@@Justin-yt7pi Yeah…
0:05 The ships looked like monsters when they crossed the bridge.
Remember this is not our world it's a parallel universe version of our world
@Pipi Land_Unlimited respect lil one
IJN still using 25 mm AA guns? They haven't learned anything..
It worked in that reality ;)
Well in this world they seem to work.
Maybe they attacked Pearl Harbor a day later and sunk the American carriers before they could scramble a defence, the planes go down with them and the Japanese have naval superiority in the Pacific for a few years until the Americans can replace the carriers but by the it would be too late. The Japanese invade all the Islands and fully conquer China in that time. When the Americans get their navy back online they're not going to be able to take down a mega Japanese navy with an extra Yamato and even more carriers and cruisers and destroyers with those Long Lance torpedoes. AA isn't as important so I guess the Japanese never switched the guns. Maybe they get a hold of some American bofors in San Francisco afterwards and consider adopting them.
@@JBGARINGAN This would'be happened had US lost Midway
@@happycatto9555 not relay becuse Japan would not have had the man power to invade us realy, only way to win they would have had to be able to starve the Us to submission, and that would have only worked if Germany did the same from the atlantic, had both invaded at same time, an invasion might have worked, Japan alone never.
Interesting how the Japanese discuss the Americans in the same terms the Americans discussed the Native Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries.
love the touch of a modernized japanes carrier while keeping all the tradions
So this is how it became San Fransokyo in Big Hero 6
Despite their superiority complex, the Japanese here sure tried hard to speak English...
Yep, you'd think that they'd force anime down upon us Americans instead...
In reality they’d force occupied people speak Japanese and use Japanese names.
That’s exactly what they did in Kingdom of Ryukyu now known as Okinawa which was conquered in 1870s by japan.
They gotta be pragmatic somehow.
@@JBGARINGAN everyone keep saying this....lol
@@nos8141 I find it funny when the Americans raise such a fuss over Anime when they do the same to rest of the world with Hollywood.
This show is in my top 5 favourite shows.
Its cool that even in the age of jets and helicopters, the Yamato is still rocking the outdated 25mm anti air cannons
They also have more modern Type 5 40mm guns which were largely based on (or copied) from the 40mm BOFORS like you can see from 0:25, sure it was an improvement but its still a late WW2 weapon so by the time in this universe they’re outdated anyway.
Long live for the imperial ✊✊🇯🇵🇯🇵🇯🇵
Sailing the Golden Gate Bridge using Yamato IJN +1000000 imperial credits
if I'm not mistaken, ships aren't supposed to have their flags up on both bow and stern while underway.....that's why when doing sea and anchor detail, they pass over the intercom "away, shift colors/ Moored, shift colors".....I was prior Navy....
On the middle reaches of the Lena, the largest freshwater river, there is a defensive ledge on the easternmost part of the USSR. This is Churapcha. Churapcha is still holding on, comrades! The defensive line from Tiksi to Vitim is standing. But it looks like the hottest spot there is Munduruchu.
Ooorah!
Ura!
Japan didn't have to win the war to convince the Americans of their superior culture. They just had to invent anime.
Best we'll ever get to seeing a Cold-War style IJN, 2.8th like too!
I love how the IJN just rocks up and is like "this shit is ours now"
It’s magnificent
64式使ってたり艦船が近代化改修されてんのすこ
結構よくできてますよね。
日本語がぁ...
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Very immpresive! I realy like the scene when battleship Yamato come to harbour in 1962. In real history Yamato was destroyed, near Phillipine islands in 1945. But its looked like that really hapened in 1962. Very relistic!
Been trying to find this series
Interesting to see the what if. But reality, is even more incredible.
Ah yes the prequel to Jin-Roh wolf brigade
I liked the Ijin Yamato, that was a great battle ship from Japanese. Then she has big cannons.
This was such a good show
Whoever wrote this wrote it poorly. If the Japanese empire had existed in this form they had PLENTY of oil. Oil fields existed in Australia, the Timor Sea off Indonesia, Brunei, Alaska. Plus they had sufficient uranium in Australia to last 1,000 years.
Maybe a lot of the oil fields were destroyed during the war.
Similar to how the Iraqi forces destroyed oilfields during the American intervention/invasion
When the cars and the ship are in the same frame... look at the size of these ships!
And then keep in mind how tiny these ships are, compared to some modern day container ships etc.
@@user-pc1er8zy7c *shivers*
@@user-pc1er8zy7c Yamato was 270 meters long which was the limit for container ships for a long time because they had to fit the old Panama canal
@@halowerder3356 it was 263 meters long(and 38.9 meters wide).
@@user-pc1er8zy7c Container ships are not that much bigger than battleships like the Yamato. "Tiny" is an overstatement.
The most unrealistic part of this is Germany successfully occupying Texas.
Shotguns and beer would do no good against fighter planes and tanks.
I hate to break it to you but thats very realistic
What a beautiful girl she was (IJN Yamato), it's a shame none survived to be a museum ship.
What do you call the intro music? I love the drums and stick sound.
Awesome scene! They should do Bismarck arrives to New York too!
The show is canceled tho 😔
By the 1960s Bismarck would probably be about to decommission. A more likely candidate would be one of the H-class ships. Would've still been awesome to see. Also a shame they didn't use more actual historical figures in the show...according to the wiki, Rommel was still alive at that time, so he could've made an appearance. They also never said what happened to Goebbels, either.
@@ijnfleetadmiral
Rommel was retired and out of both the Wehrmacht and politics by this point according to supplementary materials.
Now all we need are some kaiju and a few jaegers and we're all set.
a melhor série que eu já vi, deveriam continuar
Qual e o nome ?
@@rafaelfreitas6804 The Man in the High Castle
Love the entry theme music. Any idea what it's called?
What is the name of this ost 0:11?
Anyone able to get a closer look at those jets? I'm trying to figure out what model they might be based on.
Looked through the current world-wide list of Past and Present Jet-Engine based Fighters, and none of them match. But looking at the sides of all the fighters, they have propellers on the sides.
Best guess, it's the Japanese version of a Grumman F-14 Tomcat plus a McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II
The closest thing I could guess is the F3H Demon a subsonic/transonic predecessor to the F4 Phantom
The map at 1:23min includes Austria which was annexed by the Reich in 1938. The Czech Republic also would have been annexed by the Reich as well as the baltic states and Poland which would cease to exist.
That's the smoothest traffic I've ever seen over the bridge.
I’m glad i never got into this show. There’s always a tension with Germany and Japan, when in reality, the axis powers all were very respective of each other. Sure, they were uncoordinated (Japan and Germany) but for instance, Italy and Germany backed each other a whole lot in the early war. Japan and Germany would have never been like this with each other. Hell, it was Hitler who reached out to Japan for an alliance because he admired their fighting spirit. He chose them specifically because he felt they were the strongest force around, which behind Germany, they were.
what are you talking about this isnt ww2 lmao
Japanese veteran's dream at 3 am :
The Japanese carrier looks like a Taiho with an angled deck. They should have given those cruisers and the Yamato the guided-missile cruiser conversion.
The Japanese could call the Pasific ocean the largest ocean as their Mare Nostrum but it's also their curse, nothing can be gained by having 90% percent of your territory as unexplorable / unusable body of deep water
a melhor série que eu já vi, deveriam continuar. I literally bowed to the screen when the Yamato-class battleships appeared..
So they wanted to convince the natives of their superior culture? I always wondered how they would do that. Shinto is an ethnic religion so no way they could try and introduce conversions, plus all of the military seemed ethnically Japanese, which considering how big it is seems like a poor choice. It is likely that maybe some of the more core regions of the empire which had been integrated for awhile, like Korea or Taiwan would introduce natives into the main military, but local puppet states like China, Manchuria, and Azad Hind would have their own militaries under Japanese influence like they did otl. But if they want to convince the natives to take their side, they should just allow them to join the Pacific States military, and offer them maybe “honorary japanese” status, as well as maybe employing natives in the puppet government thus giving the pacific states people a sense of being “free just under Japanese protection.”
Your comment is underrated. I hate how often people exaggerates Japan’s plan for Asia due to the crimes of the Imperial army, I hated how the show implied that Japan fully annexed all of east china, India, Indochina, Indonesia, and the Philippines despite they were planned to be puppet states/quasi colonies by the imperial government.
@@firemangan5024 Thank you. They wanted to build an empire similar to Britain, in which some colonies had some autonomy, but were de facto controlled by Britain. The pacific states would realistically have been a puppet state, probably with some Japanese or those descended of Japanese in government, but also natives that they could trust. Of course it wouldn’t be actually free or democratic by any means, and Tokyo would decide who would win elections and who was able to be in gov, but they would maybe be seen as more of a protector or homeland rather than an occupation force.
@@darkwoods1224 It would be the same for the Reich had they got what they have in the man in the high castle, while their polish-baltic-Russian territories and Scandinavia would be in full German control as Reichskommissariats as well as their old African colonies from the days of the kaiser which would be controlled by an SS colonial division, Vichy France and fascist Britain would just be puppet states where the Reich’s economy would benefit from its economies, Germany would likely create an EU like faction to have minimal control over the economies of its allies in the balkans as well as Italy and Francoist Spain basically giving them full control over the European economy as a whole, realistically US and Canada would’ve been separate puppet states instead of a unified territory due to cultural differences and I’m pretty sure the Germans would’ve understood that, with pro Nazi Americans and Canadians being put in charge.
One axis victory scenario I've seen that does this more intelligently is the mod for Hearts Of Iron 4 called "The New Order".
First off, it isn't a total victory, the US simply signs a peace deal giving away Hawaii and leasing the ports of San Francisco and Los Angeles to the Japanese. There ends up being a sort of 3 way cold war between Germany, Japan and the US.
Japan doesn't annex much (mostly Pacific Islands, and a few Chinese cities). It balkanises China and effectively forces it to be an agricultural nation to keep it weak but China is ""technically"" an independent nation. It's industrial economy however is entirely run by Zaibatsus, ensuring Japanese economic domination of China and millions of cheap labour.
In fact Japan has no official colonies (other than the aforementioned islands) because it claims to be an anti-imperialist force. It's economic and military bloc claims to be a pan-asian brotherhood where every Asian nation is equal. But through underhand tactics such as rigging elections and altering economies and bribing, Japan ensures that only collaborators remain in power throughout Asia.
Japan even looks out to the wider world, particularly Africa, where it funds rebels of German and French occupation in Madagascar, the Congo, Angola, Western Africa. The natives have no choice but to side with Japan.
As a result, Japan can pretend to be a moral force that opposes western imperialism and fascism while simultaneously oppressing and subjugating hundreds of millions throughout Asia. If Japan tried something like in Man in the high castle they would very quickly see their empire collapse.
@@firemangan5024 >muh crimes
Your shit smells like your mums puss
Great depiction of battleship Yamato
Yamato is cool. I'd love to ride it.😄
The accompanying aircraft carrier is nice too.😄😄
That would be the Taiho with an Essex style modernization. Historically, she was torpedoed and sunk by the submarine USS Albacore at the battle of the Philippine Sea, June of 1944
@@metaknight115 Thank you. You know things very well.😳
"we need to convince them of our superior culture"
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Tennor haiyka, banzai!!
スコスコスコスコ
最後までロマンたっぷり。
I have one question,What did they use for the IJN,did they use models? Or did they somehow borrow the USS Midway for the Japanese carrier and did they build the Yamato for the parts of the scene or was this entire scene made in cgi
素晴らしい
Ah yes, Japan leaves a piece of JAPANESE territory, without a fight. I used to think that Japan thought it was dishonor to surrender. I know it's a show, but come on.
Ah Yes like i would believe the US would loose to Japan.
@Jack the Gestapo no its not even without fdr there was no way Japan could of beaten the usa industry and economy and the nazi's would never want to conquer America
@Jack the Gestapo well the Germans would have to change something cause hitler wasn't interested in nukes even though they where the first to start it in 1939 and there is no way they are invading the usa Japanese army was worse than the navy and d day barely succeeded even with air and naval superiority a deception campaign and it was difficult from 163 miles stretch of channel with doing it over 2 thousands miles at it's closest point from Scotland to Newfoundland is absurd
@Jack the Gestapo Great Depression would have been fixed later. Without the interventionist policy of the Roosevelt administration, Pearl Harbor would never have happened in the first place. Heck, UK might have agreed to end the war following the defeat of France.
@@MrChickennugget360 the whole thing is fiction neither the nazi or the japanese could win this war. And take the USA.
Amazing
did you guys notice the detail of yamato its the detail of iowa because of the antena at the back of the captain tower and the back of the yamato
提督という呼び名は正式じゃないので本来なら長官か大将だと思います。
This is how anime was borned in the man in the high castle universe. To show us the superior japanese culture. A very persuasive way to love japan indeed.
I know this is a little to late to comment for this movie, but when they said they're having fuel shortage does this mean they still doesnt discovered the oil reserved in manchuria? And in indonesia?
Its probably not enough for global operation or got some issue in the distribution process.
The ironic thing is that if this was a true scenario; Japan has no need for fuel issues. There’s oil in Australia, natural gas, same with Alaska and other parts of Asia such as Borneo etc. the esteem empire would have been rolling in oil so a slight poor research.
what do you know lol
If Japan took over we'd all be driving Toyotas, eating sushi and watching Anime.....wait a minute.....
That big battleship in the middle is either Yamato or her sister ship
Newer
Yet just as obsolete!
The New Reich needs no such outdated concepts!
Japan FAIL!
I still want to have a war between the 2 super powers, just for the eye candy and seeing full use of nukes and alternate universe jets, ships etc.
I do wonder how powerful is the Reich's Navy is?
I'd say its the Yamato but its not exactly 100% accurate since it seems like some bits are upgraded and modified.For Example the aft area and behind the bridge/shrine tower,seems like they added a tower there too.There are also much more changes though but the 2 is the most visible ones.
You mean on of her sisters? If things went well for Japan at least 4 Yamato's would of been built.