Devan Howell, yet that statement was really out of pocket. But I don’t think he meant it that way. I heard he meant it in a way that there was more slaves than masters so how come they didn’t just over take the slave master. Yet that’s where his ignorance comes into play
D Ransom If you look at Django(movie). Leo DiCaprio plays the role of a Slave Owner in a big plantation and said « I wonder why they don’t kill us all here ». It was actually the same thing that Kanye was saying. For black people to be enslaved for 400+ years he said « it SOUNDS ALMOST » like a Choice. Like people, maybe run by fear and stuff were too afraid and mentally break by the white man to take their liberty at the point where they(for the most part) accepted that place in society.
@@etondeelong8813 I know this was a year ago but people did attempt to run away and/or legitimately gain freedom from their slave owners. But many were caught and brutally tortured/killed in public. Even those slaves who became freed from their former slave owners weren’t safe either because there were slave hunters that would catch runaway slaves and/or suspected runaway slaves. They would bring them back to the Deep South regardless if they were actually runaways and they would be enslaved all over again. White slave owners only cared about exploiting black people for labor, not human rights.
I think alot of Americans need to read about slavery from African history books. Before slaves were put on the ships they were broken physically, mentally and psychologically. It was terrible ☹️
I would've liked to had the opportunity in school to have learned about it from an African history book or from an African American's point of view even. It'd be a good idea if schools would begin doing that! I bet the next generation of kids would be so much better educated in that area!
@@mimia.4810 "Choice" as in we indoctrinate slavery as a norm in a world that is becoming conscious. We cannot control external and historical events, but we can control what happens on the inside, how we respond (either as liberals or victims) but unfortunately, it goes a long way which is why I still don't defend what Kanye said, but I can tell he tried reasoning but failed dismally.
I’m not black but I’m quite educated on the things that happened to black people/people in general when they were enslaved, There was no way anyone would choose that. To even suggest that is flabbergasting.
His philosophy of “mentally enslaved” is actually CONTRADICTORY. Being “mentally enslaved” due to psychological trauma both directly And intergenerationally IS TRAUMA that wires the brain and IMPRISONS OUR BEHAVIOR to be CHOICELESS, AUTOMATIC AND UNCONCIOUS. All trauma that “enslaves” our mental state from childhood into adulthood IS NEVER AND WAS NEVER A CHOICE!!!! Especially when slavery was a way of life, a societal norm, socially accepted. Your unconscious behavior that is developed from childhood into adulthood were formed by constant messages of fear which automatically translate into behaviors that ensure survival. To ensure survival and safety, people conformed to their societal role in times of slavery. It was forcefully and traumatically ingrained and modeled into the wiring and programming of their brain WITHOUT CHOICE and passed down from generation to generation from parent to child through the child-parent relationship/interaction/experience. Every and any trauma-informed therapist that has studied psychology will tell you the same.
Why are people so surprised when a black person is so well spoken?! I have gotten that a lot from white people over the years. Why is this considered a “compliment”?
Listen, I’m appalled just like everyone else by what Kanye said and the message it could’ve potentially sent to our young people. But I can’t sit here and act like I don’t understand what he really meant by what he said. It’s just a shame that Kanye isn’t able to effectively articulate himself. This conversation could’ve went a completely different way if he would’ve worded it properly. Just my opinion.
Courtney cee while he doesn’t know how to articulate or organize his ideas into rational words, his idea of being “mentally enslaved” is still incorrect and contradictory in totality.
If you know Kanye, then you know what he stands for. People waisting too much time evaluating Kanye instead of doing something themselves to change things in America
every time Loni talks about the kardashians or Kanye it looks like she hates them, she doesn't look at both sides of the story when it comes to the kardashians and Kanye. I do really like Loni
I feel like so many people want to tread lightly when it comes to Kanye and what they say about him because they’re afraid of being disrespectful. I’m glad van the man spoke up!!!
y’all she ain’t surprised that he’s such a well spoken black man, she’s just impressed with how well he articulated his thoughts (i don’t think it had anything to do with him being black). However i do understand it could be perceived that way (NOT TRYNA START A FIGHT PLEASE DONT LET THIS COME OFF BADLY)
Kanye has made this type of comments before. Where’s Kim and his family to sit him down to keep him in check?! It’s sad that a stranger has to school him 😒🧐
@@ThanhMaiOFFICIAL I agree its not about being black or female, but the Kardiansians are not bright individuals! Kim isn't knowledgable about Black/African American History. Her family for YEARS have been appropriating Black culture, so how the hell is she going to check him. Honestly, none of them have a real college degree. They are all privilege entitled people, who use their privilege to get them far. Anyone who is smart should check Kanye because he is a disgrace to the Black race for his ignorance. I have my masters and I took several courses during my undergrad in African American history to educate myself because the school systems today, are not as diverse and seem to ignore Black history and other cultures in school social studies textbooks. It's sad that it is 2020 and its people like Kanye who clearly do not understand their own history and why Black people for centuries are oppressed due to slavery. I'm not bashing you, I just needed to correct you that his wife is defiantly not the right person to check him. Kanye has a big platform and it's not okay for him to spread lies! The guy from TMZ did a great job schooling him because clearly the people around him are not checking him because being silent is a response!
Medline I appreciate your response and opinion. Whether Kim knows enough to keep Kayne in check is debatable. I do like the fact that you can state your case in a civilized and intelligent manner.
@@user-nq6um4bs5y how is that a pick me thing? It was forced out before Jeanie's comment even settled in. Timing made it not sit well so again, I didn't it was cute.
@@bestress04 I honestly do not believe she would have said this if they were speaking to Harvey Levin. That is my personal opinion from watching them interview many well-spoken individuals.
I agree there is a lot of truth in what he was trying to say. Unfortunately we have become too comfortable with being victims even when we have all the power in our hands.
I am shocked that The Real never cut their ties with the Kardashians after all those crazy comments by Kanye. But nah, the worship of that family still continues.
Thank you Loni for keeping it REAL. Jeannie and Adrienne were talking about him feeling fat and inferior. That's not what we were talking about. They were talking about how dangerous misinformation, especially coming from a black man, and how those comments were wrong, misinformed, and disrespectful. Loni wasn't letting them curve the issue.
@@Kim-427 well spoken is not a compliment to black people. The word she should have used is eloquent. I noticed that she's said it in a few other past girl chats as well. They actually had a girl chat about this last year or something and every since then she hasn't said that. I used to get "you talk/sound white" why because I speak using proper grammar?! I know she didn't mean it as an insult or anything, but I had to shake my head at that because I hear it so much and it annoys me. Teaching moment that's all 🤷🏽♀️
What people don't understand is that k is a creative mind what he says isn't always what he means sometimes it's to provoke thought... notice the guy says he asked people to reply to what he said. And notice his face while he was being replied to.
Renee unavailable I kinda thought that to but, she meant that he was that 1 black person in the room to stand up for all black people. He didn’t take offense to it either he was thankful for the compliment.
I love Adrienne ,but I hate when people tell men or women of color “ ur so well spoken” I think she was wrong for wording it that way and it could have been said better like “ I love how you show off how intelligent you are” or maybe like “ your so educated and Intelligent I love the way you come across” ❤️
I feel people kinda missed Kanye's point, although I don't encourage what he said I feel if people understood what he was trying to say then the attempt made to educate him could have been more receptive, relatable and informative to viewers. I think there is still an issue of victim blame with this statement, as if it was our responsibility to take ourselves out of a situation we were forced in, and many slave who tried to escape were killed viciously, some having their feet chopped off to keep from running and even hanged so there was definitely a physical factor that played into it as well! I feel the reason what he said could be harmful was because it frames us as negligent for not taking control of our reality when we were oppressed. But this isn't true, it couldn't have been helped so easily and we tried our best. I think this just comes from his frustration and being mad at himself for feeling victimized, he was very passionate. I don't feel angered by his comment because it's just him trying to interpret and process like we all are. But his point was very valid, there was mental enslavement and many things done psychologically for example making us feel ugly, dumb, and degraded. Blacks could not be taught to read and write, and were made fun of for LEARNING A WHOLE NEW LANGUAGE but not having the right slang. Even in segregation we could not drink from the same fountain, the list goes on...
Kanye is brave enough to speak his truth and honestly sounds like he would agree with what Candace Owens is stating as well. Kanye was well spoken and clear. You guys and van just disagree with his point of view, instead of agreeing to disagree, you become bitter and hateful. It’s not right. Just because he thinks about a topic differently doesn’t mean “this must be his mental illness”. Stop.
Just because that is Kanye’s truth doesn’t make it THE TRUTH. Kanye has admitted to being bipolar after this interview. People seem to forget the horror of slavery. The being taken away from not only your land but your family and friends. Being stuffed in a boat where people were defecated upon not to mention being in the dark for 3-6 months only to come up for exercise or when your body was being thrown overboard. You are one of the fortunate ones who make it off the boat to where you are sold by a group of people who don’t look like you. They beat you or kill you to make an example of what happens if you don’t comply but you don’t understand because you don’t speak their language. Your family is then forcibly removed. Fathers, mothers, daughters and sons are separated. You are branded. Women and girls are raped.( Even after they are married). Husbands and fathers are forced to sit back and allow this. It’s against the law to read. You are seen as less than human. 400 years later you are “free” but as a grown man, someone’s grandfather you are a boy. They can come in your house and take you out of your bed. They can kidnapped, beat and take parts of your body as a Souvenir from your lynching. Time moves on and all sorts of roadblocks are setup before you. Hundreds of companies are started off of your blood, sweat and tears. Laws have been put into place to make sure only a few make it. But move on, get over it. It was a choice. People suffer from mental issues from things that happen in their childhood so could it be possible for generations who have suffered still have some issues within that community?
No one said they chose that! What Kanye was saying is that we had numbers on our side and just like how they got together and chose to inslave us we could have got together and chose to fight and end it within those 400 years. What did we really have to loose. He’s saying we chose fear over fight and that’s a mental thing when we lived in fear for 400 years anyway. Just like Black Lives Matter…..if we didn’t come together and fight back wouldn’t that mean we’re enslaved in the mind and we’re just taking anything that happens to our ppl or are we fighting back! I think ppl took it wrong because he was wearing that hat. He’s for his ppl he had a bigger message with that hat just like the slavery speech but he’s a genius and some ppl minds can’t go that far for thinking outside of the box. He wore that hat because he wanted blacks to know I’m rubbing elbows with him we good and let’s be true trump has did a lot for black ppl more then a lot of white presidents. He didn’t try to disrespect his own race he’s just very misunderstood.
Harvey’s look. 😂 He looked at him like “WTF did you just say?” The whole time I saw those wheels turning as he’s trying to comprehend what the hell he’s talking about.
He probably isn’t being medicated and has some type of health condition because his actions are just outrageous sometimes & his wife doesn’t make it any better ....
I agree with Jeannie. I don't think Kanye is a bad guy he just has some internal struggles. Maybe his views will change and he can learn. We all have had mindsets that weren't always right people can change.
He clearly forgot where he came from... be thankful for your roots everyone, just because you didn’t have to struggle for freedom doesn’t mean you shouldn’t respect those who did, especially if they’re your ancestors who got you here
I agree Loni, keep those blacks in the government's school books. Never let anybody second guess what those text books from history class force everyone to know
Why did they waste so much time talking about this? He’s been sick for years! It’s old news. But yet we’re supposed to gasp and indulge in every new stunt of his? He should take his meds and stay home.
Guys take care of your mental health. Start first with vitamins. Vitamin D3 helps with cognitive abilities. This might save you from taking other drugs that are more Synthetic.
Kanye sound like a rant, but exactly what did he say that wasn't correct. People don't like seeing a black man thinking for himself, and people are apart of the victim group. Van said nothing to one thing, and made a broad statement about nothing outside of victim mentality.
I got his point in general , but I don’t know maybe it was the way he said it the words he used ? He should have just not said anything. . And yeah he wouldn’t dare say that to his ancestors in the face !!
Kanye West has bipolar disorder and yes he does take medication for it so perhaps It was his disorder talking who knows But I hope that he is seeing a therapist in regards to his bipolar disorder and that he can express what he has said on TMZ to that therapist and hopefully he or she can help him make better choices with what he says and chooses to say in the future
There’s something to be said about the length of slavery… and to some extent Kanye places the blame back on the enslaved because it lasted so long. What Kanye seems to missing is the term and definition of enslaved. Sure, they were likely mentally enslaved as well, but I don’t think he understands the gravity of the physical enslavement and the power and control whites has at the time. I read something where whites made themselves out to be God, and used passages in the Bible to hold the soul of of the enslaved. That’s a lot of power that was used to keep blacks from uprising over the decades and then centuries. To make it the fault of the slaves, or to blame the enslaved as to their suffering and the cruelty showed to them is wildly disrespectful, and grossly inaccurate. If someone tells you they’re God, AND has every right over you in the sight of the law and every authority… it’s not a choice dear, it’s enslavement/ownership over you. It’s nothing they could’ve chosen, and if they did, they did so in the absence of hope or truth that hope was not on their side in their lifetime. Many head games can be played when you’re dealing with the devil, and that’s what slavery was, the devil incarnation into the whims and absence of consciousness of people carrying on what was once normal.
I don't know how people support him after this I know it's been a while but people really need to open them dam eyes. I'm not even black im Latina and boy I have so much respect for slavery topic. This is ridiculous 🙄I think he should of been CANCELLED since that point 🤷🏽♀️
@@VocallyYours3 regardless he apologize for his mistakes and continue to branch forward. Why must a person be condemned? Why keep being reminded of his mistakes daily, how is that love?
Jesus Christ I know it's been a while since that incident, but my God I'm still shocked at how horrible that statement was.
lilian makori yeah I forgot how like ignorant that statement was 😩
lilian makori I disagree with what he said but like why is everyone attacking him like he doesn’t have a right to free speech
Devan Howell, yet that statement was really out of pocket. But I don’t think he meant it that way. I heard he meant it in a way that there was more slaves than masters so how come they didn’t just over take the slave master. Yet that’s where his ignorance comes into play
Hmm, I'm still shocked at how peeps think it's okay to use the Lord's name in vain.. 💭
Devan Howell
Freedom of Speech is not Freedom of repercussion.
I like Van his such a smart individual. Hats off to him
He’s only smart to a dumb person.
I don't watch TMZ, I can only talk from what he said to Kanye
Marcko Blizz asshole lol
He said nothing outside of victim mentality. Proving kanye right, and all the baby seals clapping like what he said was basic facts.
@@turdferguson7105 van was right
Van did "Jamaal the intern" proud
This comment should have alot more likes lol
sims everybody's gotta start somewhere, but Jamaal's definitely gotten promoted by now lol
BEING FORCED IS NOT A CHOICE! And unequal playing field is not progress.
D Ransom If you look at Django(movie). Leo DiCaprio plays the role of a Slave Owner in a big plantation and said « I wonder why they don’t kill us all here ». It was actually the same thing that Kanye was saying. For black people to be enslaved for 400+ years he said « it SOUNDS ALMOST » like a Choice. Like people, maybe run by fear and stuff were too afraid and mentally break by the white man to take their liberty at the point where they(for the most part) accepted that place in society.
@@etondeelong8813 I know this was a year ago but people did attempt to run away and/or legitimately gain freedom from their slave owners. But many were caught and brutally tortured/killed in public.
Even those slaves who became freed from their former slave owners weren’t safe either because there were slave hunters that would catch runaway slaves and/or suspected runaway slaves. They would bring them back to the Deep South regardless if they were actually runaways and they would be enslaved all over again. White slave owners only cared about exploiting black people for labor, not human rights.
Idk why but it was so funny when after Jeannie’s rant about how good Kanye is and Tamara just said “K” 😂😂
People shouldn't listen to Jeannie. Most of what comes from her mouth is BS.
I think alot of Americans need to read about slavery from African history books. Before slaves were put on the ships they were broken physically, mentally and psychologically. It was terrible ☹️
😟😞😤😢😥
I would've liked to had the opportunity in school to have learned about it from an African history book or from an African American's point of view even. It'd be a good idea if schools would begin doing that! I bet the next generation of kids would be so much better educated in that area!
And people don't even know that slaves DID fight back, there is like over 200+ slave rebellions. Slave isn't taught properly in schools.
Yes wow 😔 God will bring justice for ever.
I am a Jehovah's witness and this is one of my favorite scriptures Psalm 37:10,11.
So happy van spoke up! But yes Loni it’s important to educate each other and talk about it.
Can people stop calling him a genius! He's not a genius!!
If he's genius then I'm Einstein.
MBDTF, Saint Pablo, Graduation, Kids See Ghosts etc. not to mention his vast influence on artists like Drake etc. & hip hop as a whole.
Musical genius
He is a genius. Listen to MBDTF fool and stop hating. He paved the way for alot of this generation Drake, Juice Wrld, J Cole, Big Sean, Kid Cudi, etc
ITA with teckaa 100 & Gee K. That dude is not a genius. 🙄🙄🙄
To even think that or say it is an insult to all true geniuses. 😑
@@czarinaczar Real Geniuses like Elton John, Paul McCartney, etc called him Genius. Prince even said Kanye is perfect
I disagree with Kanye's statements but I think I understand what he was trying to say by "choice"... I think he was unable to articulate it.
I still don't know what he means by "choice" can you try to explain to me what he means? Can't wrap my head around it.
@@mimia.4810 "Choice" as in we indoctrinate slavery as a norm in a world that is becoming conscious. We cannot control external and historical events, but we can control what happens on the inside, how we respond (either as liberals or victims) but unfortunately, it goes a long way which is why I still don't defend what Kanye said, but I can tell he tried reasoning but failed dismally.
Even the white guy was shooketh and looking at him like brah for real shut up.
I’m not black but I’m quite educated on the things that happened to black people/people in general when they were enslaved, There was no way anyone would choose that. To even suggest that is flabbergasting.
Thank you ❤️
His philosophy of “mentally enslaved” is actually CONTRADICTORY.
Being “mentally enslaved” due to psychological trauma both directly And intergenerationally IS TRAUMA that wires the brain and IMPRISONS OUR BEHAVIOR to be CHOICELESS, AUTOMATIC AND UNCONCIOUS.
All trauma that “enslaves” our mental state from childhood into adulthood IS NEVER AND WAS NEVER A CHOICE!!!!
Especially when slavery was a way of life, a societal norm, socially accepted. Your unconscious behavior that is developed from childhood into adulthood were formed by constant messages of fear which automatically translate into behaviors that ensure survival.
To ensure survival and safety, people conformed to their societal role in times of slavery. It was forcefully and traumatically ingrained and modeled into the wiring and programming of their brain WITHOUT CHOICE and passed down from generation to generation from parent to child through the child-parent relationship/interaction/experience.
Every and any trauma-informed therapist that has studied psychology will tell you the same.
TheVampireQueen 🙏🏾
exactly!!
I’m inspired by how calm he was ❤️ that’s my goal
I cant stand when people think these celebs are gods THEY ARE JUST PEOPLE NOT OR NEVER GOD!
Listen,I’m quarantining and youtube is kinda dry soooo 🤷🏾♀️😂
Same!
Same😂
Adrienne: u are well spoken
Yes, he is very articulate. He knows his facts!
Chatterbox Lane exactly, she even sounds surprised 🙄
Why are people so surprised when a black person is so well spoken?! I have gotten that a lot from white people over the years. Why is this considered a “compliment”?
Shelly Morgan you said it well!
So are Tia and Amanda. Is she surprised by that?
Manar E that “complement” is usually ONLY given to black people or people who don’t speak English as a first language.
Listen, I’m appalled just like everyone else by what Kanye said and the message it could’ve potentially sent to our young people. But I can’t sit here and act like I don’t understand what he really meant by what he said. It’s just a shame that Kanye isn’t able to effectively articulate himself. This conversation could’ve went a completely different way if he would’ve worded it properly. Just my opinion.
I agree with you 100%!
Courtney cee while he doesn’t know how to articulate or organize his ideas into rational words, his idea of being “mentally enslaved” is still incorrect and contradictory in totality.
We know what Kanye meant if you didn't, then you need to understand the message sometimes and not judge the messenger.
If you know Kanye, then you know what he stands for. People waisting too much time evaluating Kanye instead of doing something themselves to change things in America
Totally !!!!
I like how Jeannie didn't turn to Loni when she was cutting her off and kept finishing her sentence
every time Loni talks about the kardashians or Kanye it looks like she hates them, she doesn't look at both sides of the story when it comes to the kardashians and Kanye. I do really like Loni
Loni's makeup is awesome here
I feel like so many people want to tread lightly when it comes to Kanye and what they say about him because they’re afraid of being disrespectful. I’m glad van the man spoke up!!!
Adrienne saying he is so well spoken 🙄ugh.
Portia I instantly thought “Why is she so surprised that a black man can speak properly?” Swear I was offended. Lol
Vintvge exactly
Because she herself is not articulate. So she's in awe. 😳
@@czarinaczar Oh no 😂🙌🏾🙏🏾
y’all she ain’t surprised that he’s such a well spoken black man, she’s just impressed with how well he articulated his thoughts (i don’t think it had anything to do with him being black). However i do understand it could be perceived that way (NOT TRYNA START A FIGHT PLEASE DONT LET THIS COME OFF BADLY)
Kanye has made this type of comments before. Where’s Kim and his family to sit him down to keep him in check?! It’s sad that a stranger has to school him 😒🧐
Thanh Mai How can a woman keep a grown man in check? Is she supposed to babysit a grown man and controI his mouth/fingers)
It’s not about being black or female. Your family is supposed to keep you in check and tell you straight up when you’re wrong.
@@ThanhMaiOFFICIAL I agree its not about being black or female, but the Kardiansians are not bright individuals! Kim isn't knowledgable about Black/African American History. Her family for YEARS have been appropriating Black culture, so how the hell is she going to check him. Honestly, none of them have a real college degree. They are all privilege entitled people, who use their privilege to get them far. Anyone who is smart should check Kanye because he is a disgrace to the Black race for his ignorance. I have my masters and I took several courses during my undergrad in African American history to educate myself because the school systems today, are not as diverse and seem to ignore Black history and other cultures in school social studies textbooks. It's sad that it is 2020 and its people like Kanye who clearly do not understand their own history and why Black people for centuries are oppressed due to slavery. I'm not bashing you, I just needed to correct you that his wife is defiantly not the right person to check him. Kanye has a big platform and it's not okay for him to spread lies! The guy from TMZ did a great job schooling him because clearly the people around him are not checking him because being silent is a response!
Dez T the Asian guy has a name. Why do you need to highlight my race in the conversation? Don’t be ignorant now.
Medline I appreciate your response and opinion. Whether Kim knows enough to keep Kayne in check is debatable. I do like the fact that you can state your case in a civilized and intelligent manner.
Loni calling the man Jamal the intern wasn't cute or cool. He is an intelligent black man in the news room called Van
I know it didn't come out right but loni isn't good with words (she mean no harm). She was just a lil passionate
Natalia Williams pick me chickkk to the rescue
Bruh..
@@user-nq6um4bs5y how is that a pick me thing? It was forced out before Jeanie's comment even settled in.
Timing made it not sit well so again, I didn't it was cute.
I wish Amanda was here for this conversation.
who else watching in 2022 after the show has ended?
"You are SO well spoken." Thank you, A. Love it when a Brother is complimented like that....🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Not all HUMANS are well spoken, thus it would be a compliment. Not everything is about race.
@MAPULE VELLY Mampuru but isn't that related to being articulate?
@@bestress04 I honestly do not believe she would have said this if they were speaking to Harvey Levin. That is my personal opinion from watching them interview many well-spoken individuals.
I’m not much of a Kanye West fan but I feel that people took his comments out of context
Jaime Garcia I agree!
I agree. he just brought in in a very direct way, and people can't seem to handle that these days.
I agree there is a lot of truth in what he was trying to say. Unfortunately we have become too comfortable with being victims even when we have all the power in our hands.
@@Abundantli AMEN!!!!
Me too
You can be a black man and be well spoken. If he was a white man, I don't think Adrienne would say that tbh..
Loni interrupts people just to say a whole lotta nothing
Schehrazad A I hate when she does that. She’s has the least to offer conversationally. Never heard her say anything profound.
Courtney cee Exactly
Schehrazad A shut up everyone been saying that why don’t u go in there and can’t wait to get your opinion across 🖕🏽
Sonya Tucker Calm down before you give yourself a nosebleed, Sonya
They all interrupt eachother to get their point (or lack there of) across. They've ALLLLLL done it to eachother
I am shocked that The Real never cut their ties with the Kardashians after all those crazy comments by Kanye. But nah, the worship of that family still continues.
Right talking about calling the kettle black
tarawrr20 freedom of speech. This is AMERICA! And Kanye is not the Kardashians. And vice versa.
tarawrr20 why should women be punished for a mans actions?
Loni is actually right when she said, this is what happens when the education system not teaching history.
In my country Our Social Studies teacher would cain us everytime!after examinations.
Thank you Loni for keeping it REAL. Jeannie and Adrienne were talking about him feeling fat and inferior. That's not what we were talking about. They were talking about how dangerous misinformation, especially coming from a black man, and how those comments were wrong, misinformed, and disrespectful. Loni wasn't letting them curve the issue.
@@Kim-427 well spoken is not a compliment to black people. The word she should have used is eloquent. I noticed that she's said it in a few other past girl chats as well. They actually had a girl chat about this last year or something and every since then she hasn't said that. I used to get "you talk/sound white" why because I speak using proper grammar?! I know she didn't mean it as an insult or anything, but I had to shake my head at that because I hear it so much and it annoys me. Teaching moment that's all 🤷🏽♀️
@@nadiajohnson4648 My point exactly.I've heard that as well.
@@nadiajohnson4648 She may not have meant* it as an insult, but the reason behind it is in fact an *insult.*
Yeah, what was that about?? I guess they don't think they should have an opinion on slavery because they're not Black??
@@cynthiaclemons4987 What the two authorities on all things black not have an opinion?(rolling eyes) lol
What people don't understand is that k is a creative mind what he says isn't always what he means sometimes it's to provoke thought... notice the guy says he asked people to reply to what he said. And notice his face while he was being replied to.
Ugh I really wish Adrienne didn’t say ‘you’re so well spoken’ ..... I know she didn’t mean it how it sounded but that was such a bad moment.
Adrienne my woman crush all day errrr day ❤️
why did i read that in Queen's voice lmao
Angelica Gutierrez 😂😂
"Jamal the intern"
Now that was disrespectful.
Totally makes her view point invalid.
Renee unavailable I kinda thought that to but,
she meant that he was that 1 black person in the room to stand up for all black people. He didn’t take offense to it either he was thankful for the compliment.
@@tianasprincess5827
I get it! I just don't appreciate that comment but I do get it!!
Renee unavailable yea I kinda feel the same
Wait why is it disrespectful?
Dani Perry Wallace she called him an intern when in reality he is a whole ass producer
Lovin Tams hippie vibs wit dat outfit
I love Adrienne ,but I hate when people tell men or women of color “ ur so well spoken” I think she was wrong for wording it that way and it could have been said better like “ I love how you show off how intelligent you are” or maybe like “ your so educated and Intelligent I love the way you come across” ❤️
Well I consider Adrienne a person of color. Van is brilliant.
can you guys upload full girl chat segments from more recent episodes?
Loni 😍😍😍 looking extra Amazing today !! I love the bob 😍
I love it. Really nice. Hope everyone is doing well and safe
ONE TIME FOR VAN LATHAN👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
We lost Kanye when Donda died
Yes 1000%
We found Kanye when he found Jesus..
No we didn't. We don't know him personally to know if he's lost. Stop watching media
And when he got caught by Kartrashian curse!
Nah because after she died he released his 3 best projects
Imagine if this had went down now, while Amanda is on the show?! 🥵
Tamerah and adrienne Stop making excuses for him , his new statement he doubled down on it !!!
I feel people kinda missed Kanye's point, although I don't encourage what he said I feel if people understood what he was trying to say then the attempt made to educate him could have been more receptive, relatable and informative to viewers.
I think there is still an issue of victim blame with this statement, as if it was our responsibility to take ourselves out of a situation we were forced in, and many slave who tried to escape were killed viciously, some having their feet chopped off to keep from running and even hanged so there was definitely a physical factor that played into it as well!
I feel the reason what he said could be harmful was because it frames us as negligent for not taking control of our reality when we were oppressed. But this isn't true, it couldn't have been helped so easily and we tried our best. I think this just comes from his frustration and being mad at himself for feeling victimized, he was very passionate. I don't feel angered by his comment because it's just him trying to interpret and process like we all are.
But his point was very valid, there was mental enslavement and many things done psychologically for example making us feel ugly, dumb, and degraded. Blacks could not be taught to read and write, and were made fun of for LEARNING A WHOLE NEW LANGUAGE but not having the right slang. Even in segregation we could not drink from the same fountain, the list goes on...
Lol Kanye is kinda crazy but still 😂
Kanye is brave enough to speak his truth and honestly sounds like he would agree with what Candace Owens is stating as well. Kanye was well spoken and clear. You guys and van just disagree with his point of view, instead of agreeing to disagree, you become bitter and hateful. It’s not right. Just because he thinks about a topic differently doesn’t mean “this must be his mental illness”. Stop.
Just because that is Kanye’s truth doesn’t make it THE TRUTH. Kanye has admitted to being bipolar after this interview. People seem to forget the horror of slavery. The being taken away from not only your land but your family and friends. Being stuffed in a boat where people were defecated upon not to mention being in the dark for 3-6 months only to come up for exercise or when your body was being thrown overboard. You are one of the fortunate ones who make it off the boat to where you are sold by a group of people who don’t look like you. They beat you or kill you to make an example of what happens if you don’t comply but you don’t understand because you don’t speak their language. Your family is then forcibly removed. Fathers, mothers, daughters and sons are separated. You are branded. Women and girls are raped.( Even after they are married). Husbands and fathers are forced to sit back and allow this. It’s against the law to read. You are seen as less than human. 400 years later you are “free” but as a grown man, someone’s grandfather you are a boy. They can come in your house and take you out of your bed. They can kidnapped, beat and take parts of your body as a Souvenir from your lynching. Time moves on and all sorts of roadblocks are setup before you. Hundreds of companies are started off of your blood, sweat and tears. Laws have been put into place to make sure only a few make it. But move on, get over it. It was a choice. People suffer from mental issues from things that happen in their childhood so could it be possible for generations who have suffered still have some issues within that community?
Love Van and his comments on TMZ.
No one said they chose that! What Kanye was saying is that we had numbers on our side and just like how they got together and chose to inslave us we could have got together and chose to fight and end it within those 400 years. What did we really have to loose. He’s saying we chose fear over fight and that’s a mental thing when we lived in fear for 400 years anyway. Just like Black Lives Matter…..if we didn’t come together and fight back wouldn’t that mean we’re enslaved in the mind and we’re just taking anything that happens to our ppl or are we fighting back! I think ppl took it wrong because he was wearing that hat. He’s for his ppl he had a bigger message with that hat just like the slavery speech but he’s a genius and some ppl minds can’t go that far for thinking outside of the box. He wore that hat because he wanted blacks to know I’m rubbing elbows with him we good and let’s be true trump has did a lot for black ppl more then a lot of white presidents. He didn’t try to disrespect his own race he’s just very misunderstood.
Harvey’s look. 😂 He looked at him like “WTF did you just say?” The whole time I saw those wheels turning as he’s trying to comprehend what the hell he’s talking about.
As someone who's new to natural hair. Tam's hair styles are fire
Okay❗️ “He can no disrespect my ancestors”
Gm edagdwg being yourself is real white people used us with they wanted to do pay attention to what you do and say to people linda j. Peace
He probably isn’t being medicated and has some type of health condition because his actions are just outrageous sometimes & his wife doesn’t make it any better ....
Loni Love keeps getting finer everyday!
@Karishma Sharma tell me about it😍
@11:32-@11:38 i felt that Loni and that is so true
he needs help now tell jay z too get him help he said he's his brother so please get him help and his wife need s to get help
The full 30 minutes 1 second interview is on TH-cam. Did you watch it or just the clip(s)?
He was correct, our ancestors chose to comply with the rules of slavery so that we can be here. They sacrificed themselves for the future.
I agree with Jeannie. I don't think Kanye is a bad guy he just has some internal struggles. Maybe his views will change and he can learn. We all have had mindsets that weren't always right people can change.
I see what saying and make sense he just very out spoken… He is in another level mindset….
He clearly forgot where he came from... be thankful for your roots everyone, just because you didn’t have to struggle for freedom doesn’t mean you shouldn’t respect those who did, especially if they’re your ancestors who got you here
Ik know this isn't important but did y'all see the way Tamara was glowing sis shoulders be shinin shinin shinin shinin yeaaahh so beautiful.
When the producer came out kanya face changed yes it did cause he knew he was wrong
I’m glad he schooled him dough but for kanya to be a black man and for him to say that or think 🤔 the things he say is krazy
A man with an intelligence.
all I could say to him was PERIOD !
I agree Loni, keep those blacks in the government's school books. Never let anybody second guess what those text books from history class force everyone to know
The information she was talking about isn't found in any public school books. Those books usually have misinformation about all minorities.
THANK YOU Loni... only person that was speaking real and not letting him get away with his ignorant words while everyone else kissed his ass.
this is a new brake down 2020
Why did they waste so much time talking about this? He’s been sick for years! It’s old news. But yet we’re supposed to gasp and indulge in every new stunt of his? He should take his meds and stay home.
Because it needed to be addressed.. Because his words have power.. They say why they're talking about it multiple times in the vid.
Thank you. He’s literally always been this narcissist even from his college drop out days. But now since no one agrees he finally “needs help.”
Guys take care of your mental health. Start first with vitamins. Vitamin D3 helps with cognitive abilities. This might save you from taking other drugs that are more Synthetic.
Now Not Noths Nothing Nothing's Coming US no Am People US Chitting Afghanistan Touching Pak Taliban Dollar's Money and Our friends are I Don't Fan
how come these people r still here when we r told to stay home ... im just wondering
Omg that man 💀
I agree with Kanye
Something is wrong with that man. Even on his look. His face looks crazy.
They looked at him like😐🥴.
Did he say this a while back? Is this old?
Being a slave is a real thing your mind can be enslaved to demonic spirits
he is right
Poor Harvey was so confused. 🤣
Wow watsup with all the throwbacks to mistakes lately on kanye? Is it planned or something?
Kanye sound like a rant, but exactly what did he say that wasn't correct. People don't like seeing a black man thinking for himself, and people are apart of the victim group. Van said nothing to one thing, and made a broad statement about nothing outside of victim mentality.
Love yall
I got his point in general , but I don’t know maybe it was the way he said it the words he used ? He should have just not said anything. . And yeah he wouldn’t dare say that to his ancestors in the face !!
Kim, North, Chicago, Psalm and Saint are so proud of their daddy huh
Kanye West has bipolar disorder and yes he does take medication for it so perhaps
It was his disorder talking who knows
But I hope that he is seeing a therapist in regards to his bipolar disorder and that he can express what he has said on TMZ to that therapist and hopefully he or she can help him make better choices with what he says and chooses to say in the future
There’s something to be said about the length of slavery… and to some extent Kanye places the blame back on the enslaved because it lasted so long. What Kanye seems to missing is the term and definition of enslaved. Sure, they were likely mentally enslaved as well, but I don’t think he understands the gravity of the physical enslavement and the power and control whites has at the time. I read something where whites made themselves out to be God, and used passages in the Bible to hold the soul of of the enslaved. That’s a lot of power that was used to keep blacks from uprising over the decades and then centuries. To make it the fault of the slaves, or to blame the enslaved as to their suffering and the cruelty showed to them is wildly disrespectful, and grossly inaccurate. If someone tells you they’re God, AND has every right over you in the sight of the law and every authority… it’s not a choice dear, it’s enslavement/ownership over you. It’s nothing they could’ve chosen, and if they did, they did so in the absence of hope or truth that hope was not on their side in their lifetime. Many head games can be played when you’re dealing with the devil, and that’s what slavery was, the devil incarnation into the whims and absence of consciousness of people carrying on what was once normal.
I don't know how people support him after this I know it's been a while but people really need to open them dam eyes. I'm not even black im Latina and boy I have so much respect for slavery topic. This is ridiculous 🙄I think he should of been CANCELLED since that point 🤷🏽♀️
Kanye is an Icon he would never be cancelled in my book. You can't cancel the Greatest of all time
he don't needs to run for the president of United States he needs to get help and take his meds
Get real ya that was a demon
Guys. He was talking about mental slavery. "400 years" = present day. C'mon man.
Kanye woke up on the wrong side of his Bed. He says whatever comes out of his head.
This clip is OLD. This happened 2 years ago and Van Lathan was fired from TMZ since then.
Odyssey to Jérémie right?! I checked the date on the video like huh? Lol 🤷🏾♀️
that's why it says "girl chat VAULT"... y'all know what vault means?
@@manudid3971 Yeah. It means something you should be locked in with no food or water for life.
@@LilacStar82 wrong. I advise you strongly to read a book or twelve and educate yourself. you seem to need it.
@@manudid3971 Cleary you don't know sarcasm when you read it. Seek help idiot.
The interviewers face was like 👁👄👁👁👄👁👁👄👁👁👄👁
And this is the same guy who’s wanting to run for president? Ah hell no
Kanye must not have never watched Roots and A Woman Called Moses smh
And y'all decided to repost this because....??? After so many other things that could be reposted you reposted this....? Why
Anything to break down a black man
Esoteric 101 HE BROKE HIMSELF DOWN, isn’t it amazing how everyone has to find words to signify his thought process.🤔
@@VocallyYours3 regardless he apologize for his mistakes and continue to branch forward. Why must a person be condemned? Why keep being reminded of his mistakes daily, how is that love?
I like kanye.He has a good heart.
Good for you.
Me too