The Debate Over Lambert's Gender - Explained
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- The crew of the Nostromo from Alien has an interesting history and new information continues to be revealed. Could the Nostromo's navigator, Joan Lambert, in fact, be transgender? Certain files seem to say so.
father once told me "the ultimate form of acceptance is not giving a shit"
Except no one's asking to be "accepted"... I don't ask that people "accept" anything about me, they either learn to live with it, or we have a problem. That's like someone being proud of "tolerating" other people, like it makes them a fucking superhero...
yeah, only horrible parent don't give a shit about their kids
You guys might be missing the spirit of the original statement. First it's tolerance, then the celebration of diversity. THEN not giving a shit, which is the ultimate. You're welcome kids.
...that's easy for HIM to say because he's not the one who has to give up his single-sex spaces and sports teams to a trans-identified man. HE's not the one that's being called "birthing person", "menstruator", "vagina-owner" and "chest feeder". And he's not the one being asked the definition of "Man".
@andrewsheridan612 yes that are , and as soon as they are accepted its no enough. Why accept people who cant accept themselves or reality. At this point its enabling idiots and the mentally ill. If my comment offends anyone I really don't give a single micro fuck.
I do know she was the smartest person in Alien.
Inside alien ship "let's get the hell out of here".
Alien on ship killing people " Let's take our chances in the shuttle"
max jones #listentolambert
But the shuttle only takes four....
@@adamarens3520 fight to the death
@@adamarens3520
"But the shuttle only takes four...."
Hey you guys....We need some toilet paper for the shuttle. Could you go get it? Muhahaha....bye suckers !!!!!
@Max - But Lambert did not move out of they way so Parker could have a clear shot. th-cam.com/video/NZbcLIXhyxA/w-d-xo.html
She's a woman. There I explained it.
Technically a chick
She's dead, they are all dead, can i go now ?
@@xm_heecka.laddder.job_mx5962 it's a reference to a Aliens line from newt, when Ripley asks about their parents hahaha
I actually love Lambert being trans
@Philip Cummins nope just a woman.
@Philip Cummins still a woman.
"I'll do the fingering." See, that whole thing with Ash's magazine was just him trying to get Ripley to play his flute.
When you realize it's a porno magazine it all starts to make sense.
I like this new canon that all androids want to play the flute haha
Oh yeah… It was one of Bretz girlie magazines
Right
I can't look at David play the Engineers' musical flute in _Prometheus_ the same way again. 🤣
I identify as a perfect organism. My structural perfection is matched only by my hostility.
I identify as a perfect organism.>So you're transgender?
Pangender, surely? 🤔
Stan-gender, can-gender, gender-gender, bender-gender?
Looool
Just spit out my coffee
Maybe it was due to my innocence at not understanding workplace harassment, but I always felt Parker’s colorful remark to her at the start of the dinner scene about what he’d rather be eating brought to light a friendly bit of sexual tension between them.
Later, the fact that after shouting for her to “Get out of the way!” but she wouldn’t/couldn’t, he chose to jump at the xenomorph rather than light it up shows he cared more for her safety than his own.
At the very least, they were extremely natural and human characters that helped to further characterize the xenomorph as everything else.
Those were different times.
Friendly to you maybe.
I would have told that b**ch 3 time after that we grillin' tonight.
th-cam.com/video/NZbcLIXhyxA/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, Parker was definitely a badass for trying a melee a Xenomorph to save Lambert. It's just a shame that she was too paralyzed by fear to take advantage of his sacrifice.
Strange that I never heard of this before. But this doesn't change anything. Even if she was transgender she seemed to unambiguously identify as female. Parker's joke still works as do all the rest of the crew dynamics.
Imon she was genetically corrected in utero. While she very theoretically is transgender she transitioned before birth and has known no identity but female. The term almost doesn't apply since shes never been anything but female. Ideally someday transpeople will never even know we were trans.
Shannon Warner ... A lot of babies go through cycles of male and female before they finally land on one and stick with it in utero: So I was born a mail, but at different points in my mothers womb; I took on female traits and parts of my mother or her mother at Cetera at Cetera, before finally coming back to Mail then probably again the female at Cetera at Cetera...Then the last second the roulette wheel landed on Male for me.
i’m 6 foot five and I am very attractive, but at same time I look exactly like my mother and have a lot of the same shape that she does: hips long legs long lower torso dainty wrists etc etc High cheekbones...
The way it's phrased seems to suggests not a deliberate procedure, but rather some sort of random event that changed the character's sex, maybe a side-effect of some drug, like a "Thalidomide baby".
@Zel Zwrd DO you have any knowledge of biology?
Some of my mail still doesn't get delivered to me I don't think the post office cares that I'm male but maybe my mail would get delivered if I was female..who knows.
I’ve read somewhere that Lambert is supposed to represent the audience hence her reluctance to step outside the ship & hang around in the derelict, her freakouts when the crew are picked off 1 by 1, her blind instinct to ‘freeze’ when attacked by the Xenomorph...
this kind of reminds me of an interview done back in 1989 involving Gene Roddenberry. During a press interview for the premier of Star Trek: TNG, a reporter asked Roddenberry " Wouldn't they have cured baldness in the future?", in reference to Captain Picard. Roddenberry's response was simply "In the future, no one cares about baldness." Perhaps in the Alien universe, no one cares that someone is trans.
Very consistent with the ideas in Alien that nudity and casual sexual relationships would no longer be taboo (though both were ultimately toned down or abandoned in the final version for unrelated reasons).
seems like even in a dystopian world there are still things that make it a better one than ours
@Eric Cartman I wouldn't say that; Golic was batshit, even before he was banged up.
I'm fairly sure the bald person would care they're bald lol
Except WY clearly do because they make a point of it in this bio and call it "unnatural".
Buzzfeed will have a field day, assuming they arent all in coding class by now...
"lEaRn To cOdE" iS hAtE sPeEcH
But seriously of all the stuff that gets dragged into idpol, I have wondered for a long time how this has gone under the radar. Probably because it wasn't pushed in everyone's faces. Y'know, with Lambert constantly referring to it, demanding the Xenomorph respect xer pronouns, etc.
😄 Buzzfeed staff surely has zero mathematical/logical aptitude, a prerequisite for coding. Wonder what algorithms they would conjure up with their made up 'pseudo moralistic' science 🤔
@@thedungeondelver im guessing because her character is an annoying whiny b...h who gets parker killed, hardly a role model lol
Coding Makes You Free
All I know is VC is one fabulous actress.
Fred Loeper I liked her on X-Files
@@necron99.aka-sammyboy92 I first noticed her in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers even though I had seen her in her child roles. She impressed me immediately as Jeff Goldblum's wife. Then she's in "Alien?" Wow.
Go watch the movie...The Witches of Eastwick.She does a wild scene in it.
She is amazing.
@@thedragonlee76 oh god the cherries. Now that I think about it I think it was that film that put me off cherries for life.
If James Cameron decided to make Lambert transgender--apparently as a trivial afterthought--that doesn't retroactively make her so in Ridley Scott's original film.
This. It's not mentioned. She's played by a woman. There's zero reason to assume she's not a woman. Or female or whatever term is correct.
@@nutyyyy Yeah, and there's also no other non-verbal communication to the audience to this notion as well. No medical file reveal, no scene where she uses hormone therapy, nothing.
It just doesn't add up with anything we've seen.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978 I think if their society evolved to make interstellar travel common to the point that ‘lower class’ workers deliver goods to other planets on the regular, then they must’ve evolved their medical technology to a state where people can easily change their genders to have actual working reproductive organs. The two don’t exactly correlate with one another, but my point is that the possibility of a full blown gender transition procedure isn’t out of the picture considering the advanced state of the alien universe’s society.
@@Eye_Of_Odin978Don't worry. You'll all have plenty of tears to cry once I explain that this movie would've already been trashed as woke garbage in today's political climate anyway. The story is a total role reversal. The man gets violently raped and impregnated and the woman saves the day! Imagine how many movies you all could've enjoyed if not for your TH-cam demagogues teaching you to hate anything that doesn't have a straight white man in the lead.
😭👶
Also, isn't it Aliens that features a bit of convo among Marines along the lines of:
"Yeah, it was when we were on leave on Centauri that we banged those hot chicks?"
"Yeah, but the one you had wasn't a chick!"
"Hey, when it's Centauren, it don't matter!"
Arcturian. Arcturian poontang.
*shrug* I just thought the actress was really cute, lol.
Talking Hands she is my number one baby doll
Makes the next jerk more challenging
I believe she was born intersex, and had gender assignment because that's the usual medical route/response.
And it also may have been a homage to Alien, it being genderless and the Queen in James Cameron's film being given a gender.
Ooh good call on the homage to Alien.
Lol
If she is trans then it adds a small comfort to the trans community with a "one day we will be accepted" message.
But it does not add or take anything from the film as a horror film or as a masterpiece of cinema.
Much of the subtext of phallic objects and the horror of violation are unchanged whether or not she is trans or CisGendered.
Just enjoy the movie for Fox sake.
Finding obscure trivia is a way of enjoying the movies, because alot of people find worldbuilding to be interesting. Sure, on its own something like this is insignificant, but it does, along with numerous other tidbits of info, like the crew's indifference to finding extraterrestrial life and there being policies in place for such events, hint at a bigger world behind it, and makes the alien universe seem more like a real place.
The files also list her eye color as hazel, but those looked blue to me. In other words, those files ain't to accurate.
HA! Good catch
Or are they ?!?!!? DUNDUNDUN !
Alien Theory: It is possible that the xenomorph can change gender and morph into a queen.
Alien fans: Wow, this is so cool. The xenomorph is so unstoppable and threatening.
Alien Theory: Lambert was most likely a trans woman.
Alien fans: wHAt dOeS ANy of thIs Have tO do ALIEn???!!
It's actually in the official material.
I mean, it's a pretty silly change. But whatever. In the original film it's still a woman played by a woman.
Has anyone asked Veronica Cartwright about it? Be interesting to hear her take on it.
She'd probably say whatever would go down well today. The bottom line is that it was never considered in the original script or film. At most, it's a later addition that doesn't really change anything.
Well after all wheter she's trans or not, both the movies and other forms of Alien shows she's a woman so itd be okay either way.
Which is ideal what most trans individuals want, to be seen as the gender they transition to, and not as something else.
This was not James Cameron "world building" it's just forced propaganda through Sony. Just EDGING in the CRAP
GAYYYYYYYY
@@MachinedFace88ttv 😂😂😂😂
@@MachinedFace88ttv if you feel "forced upon" by harmless world-building then you have bigger problems, bro. It's 2019. Open a medical journal. Or I have many transgender friends who would be happy to explain it to you
It's a neat little detail, but that's all it is and all it should be just a little bit of trivia that doesn't take away from the charictor or mess with the story.
Why would being trans mess with the story
What debate? She's a woman. I heard there was a script in which the characters were written to fill in either a man or a woman; one or the other. Maybe I don't sound very inclusive by saying that but growing up with this film I was never confused as to her gender. I always viewed Lambert as a woman. Did I just assume her gender? Yes, and it was the correct assumption.
the video is about showing that on her FILE, it says her gender is female (unatural), and thats what sparked the debate, because thats strange
This was fanfiction only later added to be connected to 1986 Aliens.
Who’s excited for the novelization for Alien Isolation? I know I am
What’s the difference in it ?
I don’t know. Only time will tell
I'm going to be pissed if it's different from the game. Ripley better die a thousand times and have to do things over every time.
@Imon one third of the book is apparently going to be about Amanda’s history and two thirds of the book is going to be the adaptation of the game
When would that come out? Or is it still just a thing in the works?
Lambert was a woman in Alien. If Cameron decided to mess around with her backstory in Aliens that’s on him.
She's a xenomorph in disguise calluding with the Tyrell Corporation and Skynet. Whoooo I went too far.
Yes, you did.
Lambert also worked for the umbrella corporation
So she is a T-800 ?
...or maybe you didn't go far enough...
she's a chick . the reference parker gave to lambert saying he rather eat something else while looking at her says shes a chick
Maybe she was one the exceedingly few RARE trans born naturally then that wound up female then..
Or maybe he wants to eat there ass
yeah like your dad
@@robertagu5533
Yeah but there's a possibility Parker didn't know Lambert was transgender too
Apparently some of the source material expanded on the issue of gender relations between humans in the Alien universe: men and women in the future coexisted more openly with their sexuality and relationships were very liberal even compared to today's standards. The movie adaptation eventually refrained from offering any details on the subject even though there are some hints scattered here and there: there is some sexual tension between characters e.g. Parker and Lambert in Alien, Vasquez and Gorman in Aliens. Family names are used between the characters, making them hypothetically adaptable to be any gender required. I am not sure that Ellen Ripley was always intended to be female. Unfortunately I no longer recall the source for this but it must have been in one of the countless documentaries I have watched over the years. In any case, it is evident that sexuality is an underlying theme in Alien. It deals predominantly with its darker aspects though: rape, forceful impregnation, violence. Ironically the latter are all administered evenly, and without regard to gender.
Even more interesting..
According to Ridley Scott, Siguorney Weaver replaced Veronica Cartwright as Ripley during casting.
Siguorney was a newcomer to acting.
This caused tension on the set.
That tension may or may not have been captured in the deleted scene where Lamberts strikes Ripley outside the Med lab because Ripley refused to open the airlock.
The reason Veronica was bumped for Siguorney was that the studio wanted the heroine to project more female sexuality and, in Ridley Scotts own words; "Siguorney is certainly the person to certainly project that."
Ye and that slap was REAL! Damn i feel it everytime i watch it
Sigourney showed up in thigh highs for the audition, so yea, she's the right one
@Cornelious Stradivarius It was real because Weaver kept ducking the slap, so Ridley Scott told Cartwright to try extra hard to hit her. So when Weaver went to duck the slap, Cartwright hit her the other way instead, so she moved right into her hand haha.
@@morbidone88 She also turned up late because she went to the wrong hotel. But they remembered her seeming very composed and formidable, despite being obviously nervous and worried.
They're both lovely but honestly I always found Lambert the cuter of the two.
Woman. Deleted scene Ripley asked Lambert if she slept with Ash and in the book it was implied some members of the crew were having intimate relationships.
I was about to say. It's implied in that scene that she had slept with some of the crew before. I just think it's an afterthought that was added in much later.
@@nutyyyy exactly unless Ripley was the only female getting it on with everyone lol.
@fortgrove3166 do you think that people don't hook up with trans women? There sure is a lot of erotica out there. Seems like nobody cares in this universe either way.
Yet another fantastic video and great information that's been overlooked by many over the years I'm sure! Thank you so very much for all you do as always!
Your humble & honored servant and Hive Queen,
Lady Anne ^^ö^^ (Jessica M. Kandal, PhD)
A PhD in what, precisely.
In one of Easter Eggs feature of the original Alien dvd, the crew bios listed their gender as male or female with the word “natural” tagged on. It already suggested way back then that transgenderism is common in the future.
I like it. Doesn't change the movie in anyway, just adds a little extra bit of lore.
I mean, transgender transitions exists now... So it only makes sense that it would also exist in the Alien franchise's interpretation of the future.
Nice to see some inclusivity of minorities, without it being in the forefront and given a huge song a dance... It doesn't need a song a dance, just to be mentioned, like this.
Plus, I find it a nice explanation of why Lambert was found naked from the waist down after her death.
I'm of the belief that xenomorphs can reproduce sexually if required, but eggs are more efficient. The drone on the Nostromo couldn't change to a queen, as the area wasn't safe, hence why it was abducting crew and ovomorphing them. Then suddenly, it finds Lambert who at first glance is female. It attempts to impregnate her to create another drone, but finds that this won't happen as she is trans, and as such kills her as it had other members of the crew... Hence naked from the waist down.
I believe this was sort of touched on in another one of Alien Theory's videos a while back.
Hmm, I like that theory.
It's especially fascinating since that kinda means alien was one of the first cases of lgbt representation in film
But that wouldn't be trans-gendered. If someone is biologically female which Lambert is. Then that doesn't imply trans-gendered. Also trans gender is a new phenomenon. It wasn't around back in 1979.
@@oldgreg2914
Magnus Hirschfeld's Institute of Sexual Research was pioneering Trans health care as far back as 1919 until it was shut down by the Nazis in 1933.
Lili Elbe started transitioning in 1930
In 1936 Mark Weston transitioned to male.
Roberta Cowell transitioned in 1951
Christine Jorgensen transitioned in 1952
And this is just a few of the most notable cases.
Hell, the same year that Alien was released I'm 1979, The World Professional Association for Transgender Health was founded.
So no, it isn't just a new phenomenon, it's just trans people can be far more open about their experiences now, but they couldn't before. In fact it used to be a condition that you could only transition if you blended in to the rest of society. This is why it seems like a new phenomenon when in fact it is not.
@@jacalynn7792 Yes, trans-gendered surgeries are a completely new phenomenon that hasn't been founded since 1970s. By a mad scientist named John Money who drove his first test subjects insane and they ended up killing themself. You still miss the point. If you are biologically female. You are female. Stop confusing men and women.
There's so much in Alien I love so deeply. No forced agendas(I refer to those that is so forcefully clear), all the roles and characters, the setup of the story and the untold hero Ripley that atleast through half of the movie you will realize that she might be the one to survive. And this is in the fucking late 1970's folks. This is the main reason why I think Alien is the best movie ever made.
As a TS MtF, I think people talk too much about this. Especially from those who _don't like this_ seem to be most vocal about it.
My point is; It's there, that's fine. Can we move on to the scary body horrors of the highly sexualized Xenomorph and Bio-mechanical stuff instead?
I mean ffs, she dies. Does it really fucking matter that much? Are every one suppose to push their junk into everyone's faces? Can't we just be people? Geez.
Seconded
Totally agree
Cameron wanted Jack in Titanic to be a woman dressed up as a man, so I'd say this is something that's been gnawing on him the whole time
Sounds like Cameron has some issues.
@@scutumfidelis1436 rather he sounds like a party animal to me.
So Jill.
@@scutumfidelis1436 it doesn't to me. like, what do you mean?
In 2017, I found an ALIEN discussion on Twitter where the author was discussing transgender characters in the Alien universe. Lambert was of course mentioned, as was Dallas, but she also proposed that Vickers was transgender because the med pod in her quarters was configured for men. I replied that the pod was set for a male because it's there to treat the geriatric Peter Weyland, who was secretly on board...and I was blocked.
All I wrote was a completely neutral and valid plot point of one of the ALIEN films, I never argued Vickers' gender, or any gender issues.
The pod being set to male was idiotic anyway. So the thing has a databank big enough to store countless medical procedures, emergencies and the sensors to make it do what it needs to do - up to and including surgery so precize it can turn the program for the removal of a tumor into a makeshift monster-delivery... but it CAN'T tell whether the patient is male or female and needs to be set to male? And don't come at me with "he wanted to keep the pod to himself", almost the entire crew was male.
Prometheus was a terrible movie.
Commander Rotal i think it was more that he didn't want Meredith to be able to use it because he didn't want her to come in the first place
@@RotalHenricsson That's completely outside the nature of the topic I was discussing, but I agree to a point: there are far worse issues with Prometheus than the logic behind the med pod. It's like complaining about an ingrown toenail after losing an arm.
This is so fucking stupid and kinda insulting to Veronica Cartwright, like "oh we gotta keep the spotlight on ripley as the strong woman of the series so from now on the short haired one used to be a dude"
Very interesting! I'd assume that the biographical information that appeared onscreen is canon. However, there wouldn't necessarily be any other references to it with regard to Lambert for the same reason that there wouldn't be allusions to her having her tonsils removed as a child. It's not considered an especially noteworthy point in that universe. There are certainly implications that sex in general is considered much more casually then vs in our current world.
Interesting. I liked Lambert she does what most people would do in those circumstances, goes to pieces a bit. They can't be all calm and collected.
Her death scene was so well played. Really creeped me out.
I dunno about any debate...but it really doesn't matter about a fictional character and I never even questioned Lamberts gender because in the film it really doesn't mater
Probably more a discussion... not sure there are "sides" in this...
I wonder what the actress Veronica Cartwright, who portrays Lambert in the movie, would say about this debate?
I know that Jenette Goldstein has refused to say one way or another her speculations on Vasquez's sexuality, I suspect Veronica would probably take a similar approach
Probably mad, I mean she was when she finally saw her death in the movie, playing around with it keeping her in the dark and then to just find out it was none of the ones she did but instead a edited death.
And to know that they played with her gender too... Yeah I'm sure pretty sure upset.
@eviltreemonster Well Jenette herself said that as far as Vasquez was concerned it was no ones business but her own, and that everyone invested themselves and their own views on the character and she didn't feel it her place to take whatever they made of Vasquez from them.
I think she would have been more pissed off at Aliens' likely use of her image without compensation (as what happened to Michael Biehn with Alien 3)
@@gustavmarie I was under the impression that Biehn insisted on his full salary from Aliens after he found out.
James Cameron pulling a J.K. Rowling before J.K. Rowling.
You the viewer were trans all along
except j.k. rolling is probably a terf
Not really. Rowling hates trans people. Cameron simply showed that the future was socially progressive.
Theres a line in the Illustrated story that Ripley asks her did she sleep with Dallas, and she says she thought he wasn't interested.
Ash, not Dallas. It was one of the more subtle hints to Ash being an android.
Lambert is a WOMAN...🤷🏾♂️
Yes, and trans women are women, so... what's your point?
If it was in the prop from the film I don't see why not to include it. Seems like interesting world building. Especially that she was altered at birth. Which suggests either that they could tell that she would be transgender from birth or - more interestingly to me - that her parents just wanted a girl and so had her gender altered. Both options tell us about the world but the second one seems somehow more aliens/blade runner to me. With the more dubious moral implications.
Why is everything political? I have to create my own story universe just to avoid political topics in a universe. Geez man. This isn't anything against Alien Theory but can we all agree that politics like abortion and transgender debates should be left out? Politics in media are supposed to enhance the universe it's in, such as are synthetics actually people, not if someone is trans just for the sake of being trans. To me it ruins the film or any media when the creator just spreads a bunch of meaningless political bullshit everywhere.
Fierah 935 this fact about lambert is based on the info from the movie aliens, it wasn't meant to shoehorn politics in or made up, it literally says it onscreen, if anything it was just an interesting throw away fact about the character. Its been known since the early 2000's and never became an issue until recently.
Dude, this is a franchise that operates on people being raped by space monsters. You literally CAN'T keep sexuality out of it.
I love this random detail because it’s completely irrelevant. Like throughout the whole movie it’s not a point of contention because she’s just a human being; being a human being. What chromosomes she was born with doesn’t really matter because she’s just here to do her job. It’s not very hard to just respect other human beings as human being🙂.
It's interesting that her being trans was always in there and not something added later by woke people. However, her parents choosing her gender for her is pretty disturbing
I hate the way “progressive” is used these days. Good vid though
badkarma11
So called progressives are actually regressives.
Agreed. The striking irony is that everything that's being pushed down people's throats in the name of political correctness, reeks of regressiveness.
@Jimmy De'Souza please scurry back up your ivory tower of white privilege where you and your ancestors weren't the victims of hundreds of years of slavery and oppression and then lecture us all about how MLK and Malcolm were race baitors you racist piece of shit
Wtf even is this conversation
@@biggus6633 That's what I've been saying all along.
Lambert was never transsexual. It's a throwaway background detail included in the extras section of the 2003 release of the movie on DVD.
It seems most likely that this was something that was only added by the production crew for Aliens and was not part of the original conception of Lambert's character in Alien.
There are a number of facts that point (softly, not dispositively) toward this conclusion. I have watched quite a few interviews with Ridley Scott about Aliens (including one where he was interviewed by James Cameron), as well as a number of interviews with Veronica Cartwright (for example, this one from all the way back in 1979). Never once have I seen either of them mentioned the idea that the character of Lambert was supposed to have been assigned male at birth. Quite the contrary, in this 1992 interview, Scott lays out a very different conception of the characters, one that does not invoke exotic backgrounds for any of them:
" I think the characters were beautifully defined, you know, within the context of all you had to know about them. You know, that's all you need to know."
Another observation is that this "fact" about Lambert seems only to have been in circulation since the release of high-definition DVD editions of Aliens. Prior to that, the background text during Ripley's debriefing scene was basically illegible, and only with high-resolution images that could be paused without visual smearing (something that was ubiquitous on earlier VCR technology) were people able to decode the on-screen text, revealing this tidbit.
So... the information that was obscured became legible, thus confirming it being canon. Glad we agree on Lambert canonically being trans then.
This was so unnecessary. Just leave her as a woman! Dang political correct liberal nonsense!
I don't think it really matters. When I was growing up watching Alien, I always just thought she was a girl.
You cant spell women without women
it doesn’t matter at all… Weather for against, don’t care center at Cetera… But is interesting tidbit for us fan nerds! lol.
we can do a video on what their favorite breakfast cereals are, what were they eating at their meals…lol
we literally would be like oh my god that’s so cool.
Long as people don’t take the whole transgender progressive stuff too far, and try and force it down peoples throats to where it’s almost reverse fascism-except this or die, LOL.
dislike homosexuality and transgenderism...Let it happen naturally
@@necron99.aka-sammyboy92 "dislike homosexuality and transgenderism...Let it happen naturally" What does that mean? I'm gay by the way. Why do you dislike me? And what should I "let happen naturally?" I hope you don't think my responding to your public opinion on disliking MY sexuality is "reverse fascism" being forced down your throat.
@@necron99.aka-sammyboy92 You're an idiot. The worst kind, because you think you're so enlightened...
@Haven Satan's watching you 🙂
An interesting background detail and does offer some hindsight insight into Lambert's admittedly slightly androgynous look. That it was mentioned at all in her file with no on screen comment or reaction from the crew hints that either they didn't know or didn't care if they did know. I also can't help but remember Hudson's comment about "Arcturian poontang," suggesting further that gender/sexual orientation isn't quite the hot button subject in the Aliens Universe as it is tends to be in ours. And that tracks pretty well for a society that has advanced far enough to engage in regular space travel.
Considering that we are not now, never have been, and never have seen any space faring civilizations that "regularly" travel around the cosmos... your premise that people will behave in a more androgynous manner AND that this is somehow "progress" is utterly absent of evidence. It is both pure speculation AND pure agenda to believe and spread things like that without evidence.
Is it possible?
Sure...
But no... it does not stand to reason. More than likely humans would be warlike against any other cultures just as we still are here on our own planet. Keep in mind that this is only a couple hundred years from now.... we haven't solved these kinds of problems in tens of thousands of years of history, and you think we will just suddenly change because we are space-faring? No... we bring our problems with us, we don't solve them and then move.
@@christianjohns8352 "your premise that people will behave in a more androgynous manner AND that this is somehow "progress" is utterly absent of evidence."
No, my premise is that humans, happy little fuck machines that we, would eventually come to see gender or even species as less important in our coital pursuits if we did move out into space and encountered alien species.
And if you don't believe that, take a trip to the deeper parts of the internet sometime. To paraphrase Doctor Who, so many species, so little time.
Also, learn what the word Androgynous actually means and how to apply it. I wasn't saying humans would become more androgynous. The lines from Frost indicated HE didn't mind if Arcturian he was with was male or female. And his squad mates don't seem to give him any real grief over it.
That's not an "agenda." That's actual social progress.
Here's hoping people will one day stop telling everybody their pronouns or their sexual preferences, as if there's nothing else that defines them.
@@bladerunner3314 And here's to hoping we will one day no longer have insecure twats whose only defining trait is complaining about knowing someone's pronouns or sexual preferences.
@@steampunker7 Awwwww, feeling triggered, snowflake Beavis?
I'm sorry you prefer identity politics over good stories. If left to your kind, we would've known back in 79 Lambert is trans, because she wouldn't have shut up about it, right to the moment the Xeno kills her.
Maybe one day you'll realize nobody should care about you ... oh, see? You ARE irrelevant. Now keep crying 😆😆😆😆😆😆
She is actually a pretty good looking woman.
@User Name I think because during most of the movie she's crying you never really notice how pretty she is.
Doesn't matter, still had a crush on her all these years...
At this point it feels like making shit up where there is no shit to talk about in the first place. Lambert is a woman both in the movie and in the book.
Dude, just shut up. Lambert was a woman.
Yea she was a trans woman. Any problem?
@@lipr12 In the original movie there was no indication that she was trans. Plus in a deleted scene Ripley asks Lambert if she ever slept with Ash when she is starting to suspect him. Why would they think Ash might sleep with someone who was transsexual right off the bat? I am tired of all this are the by gay trans BS.
@@johnmckenna5782 well... thats the world in the future. Transgender, cyborgs, transhumanism, etc... You aren't ready for the future.
@@lipr12 No, that isn't the world in the future. What it is is people putting their woke BS to movies and pop culture and I am sick of it. When I first saw the movie I never asked to myself 'Is Lambert Transgender?' I just thought of her as female. Who gives a s*** if she is transgender just tell the story.
@@johnmckenna5782 lol... I bet you've been raised in the South🤣
Whatever the case may be i say stay frosty people
Interestingly, people seem to have skipped the mention in Dallas' jacket - Tyrell Corporation
Assuming they're actually part of the same universe (which Cameron might have considered as homage to Ridley Scott in both directions), it's entirely possible Lambert was a replicant.
It's not that far fetched. K, in Blade Runner 2049, was Rachel's child - proof that it *was* possible for reproductive creation of replicants, that would grow as a human. Given the corporate philosophies of Alien, coupled with the problems of giving fake memories to older versions of replicants, it's entirely possible that was actually developed further past the Nexus 9. They'd be cheap crew members, easily programmed for the task at hand.
Yes, they had Ash, an actual synthetic, on board Nostromo - but he was a last-minute replacement for that mission. Weyland Yutani might have done it because a synthetic might be better suited for acquisition of an alien - faster, stronger, not biological in nature.
Then toss in the rest of Lambert's bio.
"subject's social counts are too low for large crew, up mode status" ... What's "up mode status"?
"moderate intelligence and performance abilities did not substantially increase after security patrol navigation duties" ... Getting stuck navigating a security craft isn't usually expected to "substantially increase" the intelligence of a human being - but might be for a self-learning machine
"subject should not be upgraded until ..." ... Could mean rating upgrade. Could also mean software upgrade.
So that ends up leaving "Subject is a Despin Convert at birth (male to female)". We have no idea if a "Despin Convert" is a process, an intersex condition, or simply a model being modified, to meet consumer demand or even just to create a new reproductive replicant from a "stock" design
Lastly, remember Lambert's bio says "female (unnatural)"? - lots of leeway in the word "unnatural" there.
Would anyone really put it past James Cameron to come up with Chekhov's biographical entry?
The Alien franchise is body horror. Judging by the comments below, it seems it's still scaring some people even today :)
One explanation is that Weyland Yutani simply sees its employees as tools, cogs in a machine, so to speak.
Seriously? There's a debate over this? Lambert was a woman.
@Panos Zois No such thing. You are either a male or a female.
She was screwing Parker.
Why do people see phalic objects where i only see a wrapped up magazine or a "vagina mouth" where I see the equivalent of a mouth from an Alien(Predator2)
Wth is WRONG here
Idk, I saw a rolled up magazine being shoved down someone's windpipe and I think "Damn, that's a helluva way to kick the bucket..."
Weird people: _PHALLIC_
@@joethestrat haha exactly!
Cool concept, especially when you remember Parker made a pass at her at the mess hall it's cool to think that their future is a scary one company wise but is friendlier than ours people wise
There was a Starlog article entirely devoted to all the psychosexual symbology of Alien. The porn magazine choke is a blatant example
Joan Marie as well as played by a woman . In Ridley Scott's alien she is a she
OMG, who the hell cares! - Peter Griffin
Exactly! This gender-dysphoria stuff is too much!
@Haven LOL
In an interview with Veronica Cartwright, she states that her character was named Joan Lambert. Can find the interview on Veronica's website.
Yeah, and the bio says the same as well as stating she's transsexual.
Learned several excellent nuggets that makes these films (Alien, Aliens, and Blade Runner) now even more special. I can't draw deep conclusions, but really fascinating information. Thanks!
A lot of people wonder who Ash tried to shove a newspaper down Ripley's throat. I think the thought process was like this:
1. I need to kill Ripley to silence her.
2. Ripley herself previously suggested that the facehugger might still be dangerous.
3. If I kill her in this way, I might be able to claim the facehugger came back to life and killed her.
And I think it was a half-assed, spur-of-the-moment chain of thought that immediately became irrelevant when the other crew rescued Ripley.
Cartwright isn’t “pretty” in any conventional sense, and most would probably describe her as plain, but I always found her attractive.
She was ok in witches of eastwick, although the cherry pit scenes have stuck with me for a long time. Guess better than nails like in other movies 🤢
No... no, we are not doing this...
@Odorless Kingsford I refuse.
“All down through history, We have always had feminine type men and maleness type women.” Dr Robert Malone.
It could be a case of, the information is there for medical or auditing purposes (Perhaps the procedure has some risks?) but no one cares what gender or sexual orientation you are, as long as you do your job.
nice profile picture bro
The idea of Lambert’s gender reassignment also gives an interesting idea about her upbringing. Was it elective, did her parents decide or is it a normal procedural process that doctors recommend after testing? We might assume it’s fairly routine for parents to choose the gender of offspring early in pregnancy in this world. And would Lambert care? In the case of it being elective, it’s kind of the ultimate parental disapproval which gives some insight into her parent’s psyche and why Lambert behaves the way she does.
Lambert strikes me as someone who was raised always being told to calm down, to chill out by her parent(s). Someone who grew up second guessing themselves but never asserting their right to just be who they want to be. I really like Lambert and her portrayal in the film. Of all the crew she seems to really understand the dire straits they’re in, and how they’re confined and trapped. Lambert is a great stand in for the audience, barely able to contain the dread and terror that their situation brings.
WOW! Watched Aliens a ton of times and never noticed that profile detail on Lambert from the first movie! Thanks for the info!
Now we now why Ash wasn't "particularly interested".
In all seriousness, her profile in Alien states her as natural, don't know why Cameron felt the need to retcon it.
I think it would be fine if this retcon was made by Ridley Scott himself, given he's the original head of Alien. But given this is a retcon made by James Cameron, so I'm not quite as sure. Trans characters are fine in my book, as long as they aren't shoehorned into the story.
It's literally in a blurred text which is mentioned once, thats not really shoehorned in
@@niall798 of course, but I think the implications of what it meant were ambiguous. What shoehorning would be here is retroactively interpreting it as something more definitive.
The same people complaining about this video would bitch about a video focused on Vasquez because of 'SJW agenda.'
Great video, as always mah dude. I love 'em.
If that's the case I'm a shovel trapped in a black girls body who was born to 2 mexican guys that lived in Canada
Does she do her job? Is she a team player? Does keep any identity crisis to herself? Then I embrace her.
I ask.....
...... who cares? It doesnt seem to effect her character to me.
@Panos Zois my question was subtly rhetorical in this question.
How about the radical theory that - whoever created the original 'files' in the films production team, was just having a personal joke and writing whatever the hell they wanted as it was never intended to be legible onscreen? That is far more likely. Sometimes the most obvious and least fantastical explanation is the real one..?
The thing that I love on this franchise was so challenged and way ahead of his time. Even now the word everyone mouths are minority representation, but Alien made this years ago before. Especially female Representation, they made it so well done on every single title, on every single media: books, video games, comics, and audiobooks. But the same people that demand minority representation on culture pop negligency the Alien Franchise for doing this way better than others, that make me so upset and angry. I wonder why Alien is not praised as much other franchise, why they want to demand on other franchises that made it poorly?
This makes the Alien universe progressive? Yes. About as progressive as "Angela" Baker's aunt. Lambert's parents were smart to force their son to be female from an earlier age. Otherwise, Lambert would've been the real killer of the movie.
Seriously, I'm pretty sure that the members of the production crew that made the Nostromo crews' dossiers for Aliens were just messing around with details of their lives and careers, not expecting people to actually be able to clearly read them all and take it as canon. I'd take Lambert being a fake transgender, Dallas working for the Tyrell Corporation, and Brett having brain damage from drug usage with a pinch of salt.
Respectfully go crawl into a hole👄
@@niall798 Like every other sane person of any race, gender, or orientation, I enjoy a good hole.
i still hit that lol
Word
So Lambert has a... You know, a....?
I'll smash but i wouldn't tell nobody 🤣
I think its more in tune with Veronica Cartwright's looks than anything, she has that slightly male/female look about her. An interesting theory non the less.
This is amazing. I take "Dispen Convert" as "dispensary convert." Along with the other line about her schooling, that she graduated from "Heinlein Preliminary", ALSO places the Alien universe smack in the middle of about fifty HEINLEIN novels, and she certainly may have been trans, as well as being a Genetically Engineered organism, like Friday Jones in the Heinlein novel, who seemed to have many similar character traits to Lambert. I would say, yes, she's trans then. Awesome!
Her gender doesn't matter. She is VC, Veronica Cartwright with a totally human performance.
I'm surprised (but not really) that people have reacted so strongly to the idea that Lambert is trans. This detail only adds more depth and dimension to the story and characters, and like everything else in Alien, it's a matter of implication without anything being outright stated. Alien is basically one huge examination of all the horrors related to gender, sexuality, and inhabiting a human body. It would make sense to have a variety of sexual and gender expressions and experiences present. Lambert is also meant to be an audience surrogate, so the fact that she's more androgynous can relate to the fact that anyone regardless of gender would be terrified in that situation.
The fact that people view this as some kind of "agenda pushing" is just internet brain rot. The second Alien movie was made before some of these commenters were even born. And Lambert's file is just flavor text, it provides more interesting morsels to chew on, it isn't some word-of-god immutable truth. I personally think it makes Lambert's character more dynamic and interesting, but that also it's such a small detail that it doesn't really matter apart from adding more layers onto the themes of gender/sexuality horror. People are in these comments acting like this is some kind of reveal that Lambert is "secretly a man," because they don't understand what being trans is. If Lambert is a trans woman then she's a woman, nothing fundamentally changes about her character, it's just a cool little insight into her personal history. Other commenters are saying that Lambert couldn't have been trans because another character flirts with her - implying he wouldn't have flirted with her if he knew she was trans - which is just revealing their own biases. It's such a silly thing to get hung up on. This is a story about a dystopian capitalist future and a bunch of space travelers being mutilated and killed by an unfeeling personification of all body horror, and people are bothering to debate whether a character is allowed to be interpreted as trans. C'mon guys.
Well said
Don’t eat paint chips
Is Lambert's gender really a debate? Let's not let the SJW woke garbage spread to this. She was a pretty cute chick, that's all.
Yeah, I'm not having this debate AT ALL. Se is a woman, end of.
srsly... are they going J K Rawling on us?! give it 2 more years and we'll find out that Ripley is a half-black half-asian muslim lesbian
It's in the movie, from over 35yrs ago.
I never understood the rolled up papers. I originally saw it as a kid though so it wouldn’t have occurred to me to be anything sexual.
The fear Veronica Cartwright projected into the character of Lambert had a huge impact on Alien. Just watching the her in terror put the viewer on complete edge
Why there's people saying he dont have to made this video? What is wrong with this subject? We dont talk about transgender people anymore?
Because the mere fact that the topic is the gender of a character is enough to make people go haywire. Seriously, Alien theorie makes hundrets of videos about small random lore bits, but now that this one is about gender people lose their shit. What's the big deal ?
Well half of the European culture based countries (aka the West + other bits of Europe) are under attack by the conservative / nationalistic ideology, hence the amount of comments from this idea's supporters who condone this topic.
I think it's good. People can still pick up more things in film that didn't know about. You can never have enough info about the film's
OMFG we are now debating gender from a 1979 movie when that stuff didn’t matter it’s just now that society has become so screwed up that we have to debate this crap
I always crushed on Lambert. Veronica was awesome in that role.
I hate to think it, but could the "unnatural gender" be an attempted rationale for her haircut, extreme emotionality, and even violence?
Then there's the theory the xenomorph tried to rape her, but then killed her b/c she wasn't "really female". (I'm not sure if you've addressed this elsewhere)
I also think Parker's earlier lewd comment to Lambert was a tiny indication that he had a crush on her, then we later see how he sacrifices himself to try to save her from the xenomorph.
But to me, a more interesting idea is that Lambert knew something about the xenomorph when they first picked up the signal, that she had heard rumors in the company that they were looking for it, as she seemed to have a sense of foreboding right from the start.
Yeah, he addressed that in the "Lambert's Violation" video.
Seriously there is a video about this never deemed subject matter? She is a woman, there was no issue about it. Like the cat is a cat, the black dude is a black..DUDE and the space ship is a space ship. CMON!