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I think a good trick for tonex is using the audio demo on the plugin and bypassing amp. that way you can see the input levels on your DAW meters

Just watched Gus G’s rig rundown and he’s using it live right now. That’s good enough for me

setting it to 15 db is dumb.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about this. I've just been messing with Tonex for a few days now and I found out something. Maybe someone else has noticed, but it has to do with using just a pedal in Tonex software before the native amp sim in Logic that I use. I could use Amplitube and get the same results, but Tonex by itself seems to be much lighter on the processor. I don't have the pedal just the software. I've found that input in many cases needs to be boosted as you say for it to sound right, but the output of the Tonex plugin needs to be decreased the same number of dbs. The audio going out of the plugin is too hot if your going into a different amp sim. Turning the plugin off should be the same as disengaging the pedal with the plugin still active. If you don't decrease the output it sounds like a clean boost if the just the pedal, and not the plugin is turned off. Does that make sense?

I hear it clear as day. i KNEW there was somethin weird about Amplitube but i could never figure it out. But yeah, the signal just sounds dead. Wild!

I have 15 guitars that all sound like crap going though Amplitube. And I mean very bad sounding. I stumbled across another YT video, where the person was using Neural DSP and having the same issue with gain. He mentioned he was using a Presonus Studio 1824c, and he started using a different interface to use the Neural DSP plugin. I too, am using a 1824c. But I also have a cheap (about $100) Behringer Ultragain Pro-8 Digital (Model ADA8000) running through my Presonus using ADAT, for 8 more mic inputs. I had never thought about plugging my guitar into the cheap Behringer interface, to see if Amplitube sounded correct. Well guess what.. It did! I was about ready to give up on Amplitube, but holy crap does it sound good now. Maybe this might help someone else, using a Presonus interface, that can't get Amplitube to sound right. Cheers!

I don’t know man, your input level in amplitube is too low. I usually calibrate to -18rms before amplitube. And green indicator matches the knob in amplitube. Your green indicator is completely at the bottom. That’s why you need to boost the amplitube input knob. Green indicator must match the knob like in everything else.

So set my interface (mine is an AudioBox iTwo) to zero and increase the gain on the input slider to +10-15?

At 8:20 what i hear is that you're using a specific room for the modeling gear of tonex and the tonex model already comes in a dry room or space.

Im a complete novice in regards to audio equipment and software. However, I noticed that when you set your tonex pedal to serve as an interface, the presets in library sound weired. However, when you use tone models from tonex software or you switch the nonex pedal to "live" the same tones sound almost identical and pretty awesome.

Great core tone, and nice playing mate! Constructively- Reverb too much of a blanket and delay should be a quieter- 4-5 repeats of something tape-like.

Amplitube 5 is great but yes a lot of amps are lacking. To compensate you have to compress, saturate and post process the hell out of them to get that tone 😂

Damn I need to get this kind of tone 😮

Thanks, I knew there was something missing, now I get it, Ik multimedia should tell this right away when you buy amplitube

I think the best explanation you can find is in STL Ignite's Emissary plugin user manual. Emissary was one of the first plugins, as far as I remember, to feature an input level adjustment; this is explained in the user manual: «Once your signal is converted to digital, it will be represented as a series of numbers that you can see as voltage values. [Here I disagree: they are just numbers, relative to the maximum resolution of the converters] These voltages [numbers!] can have a maximum and minimum value of 1.0 and -1.0 respectively. Supposing your input signal is peaking at its higher possible value right before the clipping threshold of the converter, it will be represented as 1.0 inside your host and Emissary will react to it like if you're sending a 1.0V signal to its input stage. Why is it so important to know these details? Because if your guitar pickup has a maximum output voltage higher than 1V (or 2V peak-to-peak), like many modern active pickups have, you'll need to adjust the input signal that's being sent to Emissary. That's where the Input Level control comes into play. You need to tweak it to *compensate the voltage scaling/normalization made by your AD converter*. «The Input level control applies a scaling factor to the input signal. For example, if your pickup has a maximum output of 1.5V (so 3V peak-to- peak), you'll need to set the control at 1.5x. By doing this, your input will be multiplied by 1.5, so Emissary will not be fed with a 1.0V maximum signal, instead, it'll get a 1.0V x 1.5 = 1.5V maximum signal, which is the correct value to match your pickup specifications.» Today, given the good quality of A/D converters, you could just set the input gain of your card as if you had a hot pickup, so that weaker pickups will generate lower signals (read: lower *numbers* in the digital input stream) without this having negative effect on the S/R ratio. This way you'll be good to go with a wide range of guitars and the model will always react according to the "level" of the input signal without the need to set the analog gain higher for weaker guitars *then* lowering the level with a digital trim. That's basically what Jason is suggesting; I agree with him when he disagrees on IK suggesting to set the input trim for each guitar, because this way you would lose the differences between guitars, but I disagree with his -3dB settings for the pedal: I personally use +4.5dB.

I lost you when you say that guitar plugins expect "guitar level". Plugins (and digital models on hardware pedals, too), don't receive analog signals, they receive streams of digital data. As far as I know, in the digital domain, there's no "guitar level", in the same way as there is no "mic level".

Hi what phone was this please? Doesn't seem to work with my S9+ or S10.

I have TONEX with my guitar going straight to TONEX and out to studio monitors. Global input at 0 and I have no issue at all with my Suhr guitars and my PRS with JB pickup on the bridge.

I've came across the same problem, did the same test and got the same conclusion! Nice to know that I'm not alone, because everytime I write about this or other problem to IK's support they simply don't care that much, they always find some excuse instead to really check it and test it by their selves.. They should give more attention to all users not only to people on media channels 😅 but Jason has reason by setting the gain in the interface low, for me works the best with a low input gain from my interface and crank the input in tonex software. Cheers!

Can you provide a link back to Jason's video... I can't find it (there are a lot!)

I don’t see an issue that’s what a mouse is for! Set up your capture to your liking and save!

Nice job with this! I liked the Mule for the cleans and the Silo's for the dirty.

I just ordered Tonex pedal and am going use it in the effects loop of my Helix Lt, do I need to worry about this issue?

Did they fix it with recent updates?

Hey man! So I recently got tonex software and bought a tone pack. In videos it sounded amazing but on my focusrite solo it sounds so lackluster. Basically no gain/sustain. Do you know what issue I’m running into? Can’t figure it out

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Jason, can you share how you get that "squeal" after the initial tone? It's awesome. Been playing since I was 11- And that was in 1961

I think IK padded the input gain by -12/-15dB because, as far as I know, it's a common practice among amateur (and not only) guitarists to set the preamp gain of their audio interface just below the clipping limit, which, as you've noticed, is around -12/-15dB. The idea of setting the preamp of their audio interface to zero might be counterintuitive for many, and not everyone is aware that it's better to work with plugins this way.

I actually love tonex, J just really wonder why they do not fix this. Seems an easy fix

Not even close

Hey man, you are totally right, I've got Guitar Rig, Amplitube and Bias FX and when I am just blowing into the amp on Amplitube 5 there is seriously gain lacking. When I am on Bias FX my Input Gain is on half and the sound is already distorted as hell on metal amps. So this is a real mistake by Amplitube and should be fixed in the next version

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It is a huge advantage to have the extra headroom in the input because I can use the drive, preamp, or fuzz that I want to going into it. I would never consider buying an amp profiler that was not designed to accept a boosted signal and react like an amp does (pushed when you boost it, and tame when you don't) ToneX is more of an old school mentality. It doesnt try to be some super pristine solution, its a quick and dirty cheap solution to take your rigs in the go. It is not designed to be a pristine perfect recording solution for the "perfect" mix. Who cares about that anyway 😂 forget sounding perfect, life is short

Does this have nothing to do with having the EQ in pre or post. I find it odd that the pedal's EQ is by default Post.

So IK Multimedia is incompetent and not honest and we should stop using it?

Truly disgusting behaviour by these devs - ZERO input level standardisation/help for the user on this critical aspect. It's currently a hot topic with lots of discussion...and lots and lots of people complaining of sh#t sounding plugins. S-Gear is the same in that it needs significant input gain. Pro tip: the best way to demonstrate the issue you experienced here is to use a clean patch. That way, if the input/gain was too low/high we'd all instantly hear. Don't use a distorted patch, for obvious reasons.

Thank you for this!

you’re absolutely right here man, I’ve also noticed it. Also, there is a gain discrepancy between Tonex and AT5. Around 1.5dB difference between the two. Tonex sounds louder snd more alive than tonex within At5.The thing is it won’t sound the same regardless of any gain compensation. It is not as noticeable with full captures but DI captures using custom IRs sound lame in AT5.

XERGIO CUTIEEEE!!!

this is confusing man, could you just go straight to the point and summarize the process?

Hello, friend! Just turn on, for example, the TSE 808 in front of any amplifier emulator and the sound will be much better and richer 👍

I think this depends very much on your audio interface, your pickups/guitar output level and the particular preset on AT5 (or ToneX). Different AT5 amp models and presets are made by different people so you may need to adjust slightly. For example, I have my guitar volume on max (pickup selector is at HH) and my Focusrite Scarlett input gain knob exactly in the middle, its indicator is showing green/orange (input is set to Instrument). In AT5 I select the first clean amp, '57 Champ with its cab and I set the input volume at 0.0db and output also at 0.0db. The input and output meters in AT5 stay green, no red clipping, they go to about 80-90%. The corresponding DAW channel is set to 0, meter shows level of -3 to 0db (depending on how hard I hit the strings). Sounds good to me, why would I want to change anything? If I change to the Dual Rectifier (default setting) I get the AT5 output clipping indicator going red, so to avoid this I have to back the AT5 output level to -2db. That's it, my DAW meter goes again up to 0db. Sounds good to me.

I added a Studio One Mixtool plugin at my interface intrument max (13.8dB) before ToneX Better levels and tone Thoughts?

Kuassa is like this too in my experience

I'm currently trying out ToneX and I cannot believe how godawful it sounds. You might as well shove ice picks in my ears. It's not just the low gain part, but the sound of the JCM800 that comes up by default is insanely bad. I may be having a problem with my interface, I don't know. I've been trying to switch to plugins and it has been a real struggle. Actually I can't get a hardware modeler to sound right, either. Regular amps sound great but they are too loud for my current situation.

I don't like how the storage pockets are hidden away and have to be zipped open to get access too. Seems like 1 extra unnecessary step.

There are some other plugins lacking input gain like Nembrini or Mercuriall. This problem is not understood by people who’ve never played a real amp. For instance if you own a Rectifier and set the gain at 5 it will sound and react to playing in a specific way. Then, connect the same guitar to your audio interface, set the gain on Amplitube’s Rectifier to 5 (I’m talking about the Rectifier approved by Mesa) and you’ll see….there’s a huge difference. That’s because the plugin is not calibrated correctly when they made it.

It loses it's natural sustain and the gate kills it further and adds digital artifacts

this is just super cool. I hope you'd make an Intervals Tone.

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