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4:48of course she’s evil what did you expect from the embodiment of death 🧐

hot take I loved brigette

Honestly, from how Overwatch has fallen further and further into the gutter, and why Marvel Rivals is looking so great so far, you articulated everything very well, Great video!

They are planning to add role queue 😭

My swag is too different 🗣️

Never played OW1 but seeing all these videos talking about how it died actually makes me sad.😂

Watch Big Wheel completely break the game

You know what... actual 10/10 video especially for it being one of your few scripted videos and after taking nearly a full year off youtube to figure your shit out... I'm impressed... genuinely. Please keep making these kinds of video essays and feeling comfortable talking about the things you wanna talk about and PLEASE please please pleasepleaseplease do a lil digging into thumbnail and title theory (this video has a great title and thumbnail and is clearly one of the reasons the video has done well regardless of the topic) Great work Dude. keep 'er goin

I love how Marvel Rivals is made by china and owned by Disney and is now the most popular pvp shooter.

And I see people asking for locking 2 supports in Marvel Rivals, it doesnt matter the history, people will repeat it.

destroy build destroy mention is insane, nearly forgot about that show

Bro predicted triple heals

im a iron fist main im I an asshole?

I feel like any chance overwatch had died when jeff left. Marvel rivals are just the ones to put the nail in the coffin.

Great video! Though saying blizzard did nothing to nerf brig 12:30 is a exaggeration, granted you can make a good argument about them not doing enough but she was still consistently nerfed through 2018 and even in January of 2019. Brig was a significantly weaker hero before right before role look was introduced compared to her launch. When brig was at her weakest(before role lock) goats was still being played, even deleting brig at this point probably wouldn’t fix the situation since players would make new goats variations. The idea of goats had implanted it self on the players. Brig instigated goats and when that boulder started rolling, damn was it hard to stop, so blizzard put a hard stop to it with role lock. If this was good or bad for the game long turn I can’t say, but it did at lest stop goats. Now my personal beliefs regarding why a meta comp akin to goats hasn’t developed in rivals is because the game isn’t ”solved” yet.

And thus, Hela got nurfed a bit and storm got buffed a bit.

Came from the Marvel Rivals video. This video too. Hope you blow up, you explain things in an amazing way and focus on games that also interest me, so profit.

listen good video but do not buff storm she is op

I think the main issue with Brigitte wasn't JUST Brigitte, but the fact that Brigitte was set to fix a problem that was already rising in the community, the then prominent playstyle that was "Abandon your Supports to kill other team's supports before your own support dies". It was so bad, and people only talk about it in turns of something they want to go back to, not remembering that it was the cause of people NOT wanting to play Supports. Even in Rivals, Healers still have outs. If you didn't have teammates as Zen, you were fucked, especially when those same teammates would blame you for low healing. If you didn't have off-map points to boop, you were almost as screwed being a Lucio. If you were Ana, you had to hit that one sleep dart or it was over, and even then, if there was a second person, you might as well drop your controller. Brigitte was an incorrect answer to a rising problem that was getting worse. It's why 2-2-2 started afterwards, because people didn't want to play Healers at all, before, unlike Rivals, as I said, No outs, No teammates who wanted to help, because they were off trying to kill the other supports and No team-ups.

Its insane to me looking back at overwatches history and its slow downfall from where it once was in open queue. Just to look back at Marvel Rivals and see that they have a solution to prevent this from day 1 which is bans. Which honestly should be in every competitive team based games around picking characters, weather it be hero shooters, Mobas or anything else. Really, think about that. If overwatch just put in a ban system after releasing Brig instead of doing role lock, it would have fixed almost every single bad comp we had. Brig being busted? perma ban her until she gets toned down. Double shield meta? all the teams would have to do is just ban 1 or 2 of those shield tanks (like old Orisa) and the comp is way easier to break through. I understand that there would be ways to maybe abuse this, like dive players banning brig then going all in on something like winston+tracer. but it would have been a lot easier to play around. Marvel Rivals literally prevented the top tier characters from plaguing peoples games, because you dont have to play against them if you dont want to. When I got to diamond in season 0, characters like Hela, Hawkeye, and Hulk were almost banned every game, and the experience was so refreshing. It incentivises more strategy in what comps you go with and what strengths and weaknesses you put into your team with your selections. Ban Hela and hawkeye? you just made a game where iron man is very strong because they are some of his strongest counters. Stuff like that lets other, normally non meta picks shine and see their own value. Im so glad the devs learned from Blizzards mistakes and didnt end up going the same route they did. They managed to keep competitive integrity and diversity without sacrificing fun factor and variety of gameplay.

It’s funny how in Roblox when jujutsu shenanigans allowed people to destroy the terrain it got really popular from that and when a hero shooter did sort of the same thing it also got praise for that Guess people really love blowing up walls😂

Then they added Mr. Fantastic 💀, the bane of DPS

I think Marvel Rivals devs specifically stated that they hate the idea of adding role queues and role locks. Of course those beliefs can change down the line, but we won't have any of this bs in the near future.

indeed, 90% of the playerbase don't know there are side lanes at all

Buff storm (character with the highest win-rate) and keep with no role queue????????? terrible advice

hard to take your opinion super seriously when you have no concept of the characters names

solving dive comp by adding a character that counters it is, in hindsight, an incredibly dbd-coded balancing decision and i kinda love it for how stupid and funny it is

i love how over half of this marvel rivals video is about the downfall of overwatch

But have you heard about TF2? The unkillable game?

"before Bridgette" that single line brought me so many happy memories, ty

Melee support would be fire tho

Almost left due to the intro LOL

The reason to add role queue is that everyone wants to play DPS so you get imbalanced teams that aren't fun to play on because they suck. I don't think the developers should EVER dictate the meta by forcing roles. But if there were some kind of system that could make it far less likely to end up with 4+ DPS instalocks then it might help improve the average game experience. What I think could work is if they simply accounted for player's average playtime per role in matchmaking. So the matchmaker would attempt to group at least 2 players that play tank a lot with at least 2 players that play healer a lot and 2 that play DPS (many players play more than one role, which is why "at least" for each section can add up to more than 6). Nowhere in that do they actually force anyone to play anything, it's just there to ensure that players who are comfortable with each role exist on the team.

4:06 Me asf

aaaaaand mr fantastic has me a bit scared for the future of rivals

What's fun about Marvel Rivals is they KNOW who's overpowered and are working towards gentle solutions but in the meantime LEAVE THEM ALONE They are letting Hela mains have their fun and adjusting it as they go. They made snarky comments in the patch notes basically agreeing "Yeah it's overpowered we know here you go..." 😂 They did very general stuff in the first set of patch notes that was very well received People want to play their favorite characters and that's a good thing! They just have to adjust it in a way to make things possible 😅

I think ppl who still cry about how good overwatch used to be are the actual problem with the game, not the seemingly “broken mechanics” because all of these people complain about it instead of just learning how to counter it and then ultimately have the gane changed for the worse

the only thing i hope is that marvel rivals does not bring the heal fully after 4 seconds. i hated overwatch for it, i hope MR doesnt do it, because its fun to relay on your support, its fun to escape for your life and the feeling of finding a heal pot or maybe not and choose to go all in or stay back. its fun to make those decisions (from the one on low health standpoint). dont give me an unkillable beast that i get low, follow for 14 hours around the block just for them to turn around full health and one shot me

I will never understand why 5v5 in OW2 was the solution for double shield. They nerfed all shield health for OW2 when they could’ve just nerfed the shields in the original game. Or just rework prison to not have a shield. There was a lot of options that didn’t involve removing a tank.

Overwatch: takes away 1 tank and roleques the rest: Me: nah, imma do my own thing. Rivals: full 6 team with no roleque: Me: Pizza time...

So they nerfed Hela just a bit, and made Storm awesome, so they did exactly what you wanted ;p Anyway Rivals meta is now 3 supports and its really crap to play, the good news is no role queue so you can beat it, and its only on very high ranks.I bet next season it ll be something else,thats what happens when you dont have role queue, people constantly adapt and create new combos etc.

1:02 the rocket's name was "feet gobbler 69" and i think he needs some help

I tried to like the video twice. ;~;

When Jeff said Brig's shield bash would disable flank characters, nobody realized he meant she would disable them in character select.

*etu Brutus?* Brig says as she shield bashes 99% of the roster out of all of their abilities and 1v6's

To me, who never played overwatch during its prime, and didn't keep up with much, it felt like the problem was how they had so much insecurity about their characters. Here's medic tf2 but he can fly and REVIVE! B-b-but!! Her revive too powerful! W-we had to, we- we r-really needed to nerf her by making her revive useless, and now her ult is something else not useful... I don't remember how others changed as well, but it wasn't just nerfs, not switching numbers around, it was outright rewriting the character's moveset into something unfun because they couldn't design it so perfectly the sweats couldn't complain. Marvel Rivals has no insecurities. Here's a support with a viciously offensive ult that can shut you down for sitting on point, or even moving as a singular unit. Here's two units that can fly endlessly! Here's a character with a powerful, synergistic portal from the game portal, and it's double sided, and it lets you see the other side in real time, and it's a skill, not an ultimate, so it's on demand. This is why they work, they make fun ideas, and regardless of how well they balanced everyone except iron fist, playing them feels like a fun game, with a powerful kit, and zero fear of going too far with ideas.

With the start of Season 1, I would say that the Marvel devs dont even want defined roles. Mr Fantastic/Wolverine and arguable magik, are semi tanks but still not beefy enough for full tanking but do enough dmg to still out dps other if played good. I think the same will go with supports with the teaser of Ultron, who will heal and deal dmg. So a Support/Dps. Who will probably be like mr.fantastic, not to much dps to be considered dps, but enough healing to be considered as a true healer.

Hearing people say that open queue was more fun because it allowed for creative and strategic comps I feel like is just an excuse to say they liked old overwatch better, because it was whacky. Like, who exactly sat there in their comp or qp games and actually communicated with their team about how to counter or adapt to the enemy comp? I've played OW since launch day and from my experience it went more like - tank swaps dps - support swaps dps - others complain people swapped dps - swappers complain they need to cause nothing dies - the end That was frustrating as hell and while it did work out sometimes because of a swap, or more often despite it, it was most of the time just a "fuck it, I'll go dps now". That wasn't fun or creative or strategic, it was just annoying. Like people always speak about this like they all played in professional teams in tournaments where they put their heads together and planned out a strategy and a fitting comp for it. 90% of you goobers were solo queuers that never spoke a single word ingame, unless it was to tell your Genji to unalive themselfs for swapping off Mercy. 2-2-2 made the game infinitely less frustrating in that regard, it just sucks that the game was built on a flawed system and devs had a hard time balancing around role lock because of that. (Also 222 already was the most played comp by the general playerbase by a landslide for the entirety of the game, even before role lock, so who are we trying to fool here)

13:24 I agree with everything in the video except this part they've stated multiple times that the removel of a tank was mainly due to a queue time issue (in the frankly terrible role lock system). They've shown in their pretty extensive 6v6 vrs 5v5 devblog the average queue time per role across the history of the game, which reflects the ratio of players in each roles, which shows that, on average, it was 1:3:2, as in for every 3 dps and 2 support players there was only 1 tank player, there was never enough tank players to have good queue times in 2:2:2, so if you are going to stick to role lock I think it has to be 1:2:2

I'm torn wanting to try marvel rivals, to try and fill the hole that Overwatch left after Brigitte murdered the game. Overwatch 2 looks like a complete joke in comparison, and the gameplay is diluted to where its not even the same. Rivals looks like it could be fun, but despite the obvious parallels its just not the same game that I enjoyed in 2017.