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I'm considering the Harvey

So you basically bitching about buying a saw you didn’t research. When you complain about the blade insert, that tells me you never probably even looked at it. Crazy.

While watching this video....another video at the bottom of my screen, recommended by TH-cam was someone reviewing the Sawstop & how disappointing the saw was. Appears there is no "cure-all" answer.

the whole point of sawstop is you don't need all those guards to be safe. The saw stop fence is the equivalent of the beismeyer fence. We had two sawstops. The last saw spot i bought was used primarily used for lumber ripping. I had rockwell 5hp threephase table saw. a very good table saw. never did one repair in thirty years of use but didnt have the safety features of a sawstop. also a very smooth saw. Anyways I took the unifence of the rockwell and put on the sawstop. a very good combo to ripe lumber. ps the first sawstop probably saved my partners finger.

I have the exact same model and my thoughts were; well it is around the same price range as a cast iron router table (no mdf table with aluminum fence! (Junk) and it has a 3HP motor. But yes, I feel your pain with everything you discussed in the video. If need be I will remove the motor and install a router.

Good luck making your own zero clearance throat plate with a Saw Stop and that goofy lever thing.

If you do end up getting the Saw Stop, you should get an extra cartridge when you buy. Prices go up and you need to have the cartridge should there be an accident. If accident happens, it is fast but, it does sacrifice the cartridge. So far as the dado features. It is downright frustrating to use. The tolerances are so tight it is extremely hard to mount the dadoes. For us, we have another saw, (delta) that has been repurposed for the dado jobs. We use 1/2" ply for cabinet box and dado the face frames. I build drawer boxes and dado for 1/4" bottoms. It only takes about a minute to change the dado over. We love the Saw Stop but the dado is aggravating.

Does the word "Nit pick" come to mind with this vidieo,,,,,,,?

You just made

Saw this on another TH-cam video. If you still have this table saw. The height difference of the table extensions is caused by the washers of the connecting bolts. The washer diameter is too big and pushes it up raising it about ten thousandths. Try either removing them and using the lock washer only or grinding them down. This enabled the extensions to become flush with the main table. Hope this helps.

A Saw Stop will not stop kickback

If you can afford it buy a sawstop...otherwise that table saw will work perfectly fine. I want a sawstop but for 3x the cost the Grizzly will work just fine for my needs....somewhat of an upgrade from my Ridgid TS3612. Eventually a sawstop will end up in my shop, but for the time being I purchased a Grizzly G0771Z hybrid saw.

I believe everyone is going to find positives and negatives. There is no such thing as the perfect table saw or power tool. Reviews can be biased. The gentleman in this video gave an honest and complete review showing how things work or put together. I believe "sawstop" offers a kind of peace to the user. The user could develop bad habits and trust issues. While Sawstop has been promoting it's saw's capabilities especially when someone touches the saw the blade is immediately stopped. I haven't looked at other positive or negative videos as of yet. Sawstop is pretty expensive but I do not feel ripped off that i bought this exact saw. It meets my requirements. If there is a big negative about the saw, I will tackle it then. I appreciate the author's remarks on this video.

I have mostly Grizzly and i like all of it. I considered the sawstop too, but i am glad i went with grizzly. Maybe you are just frustrated?

Sounds like an old man complaining about old man things. Is it really that impactful to remove a screw or flip up the anti kickback? Geeze buddy.

I appreciate your review. However I just bought a Grizzly Extreme Series Cabinet saw (9/1/2023) and none of the problems you talk about in your review exist in the saw I bought. The fit, finish and build quality are great. The adjusting wheels for raising / lowering the blade and tilting are very smooth and easy to use. The digital read out for the blade angle is dead on accurate. The throat plate doesn't require any tools to remove and it is very easy to level to the table top. Dust collection works very well but that has a lot to do with your dust collection system. I use a Harvey Gyro Air G700 Dust Processor. This is a very solid saw at a much better price point. The only advantage I see in the SawStop is the safety feature.

I've come close to buying a Grizzly table saw so many times thinking maybe I'll get lucky and not get one of their lemons. The problem is that there are just too many Grizzly lemons. The risks are simply too high, and like a casino the house always wins. Thanks for posting this video! It cured me of my irrational temptations to gamble with quality. Spend the money because the costs of subpar equipment are far more expensive.

How do I check or change the oil on the G1026, SN-097343

Honestly I dont think the saws quality is the problem, rather its your unreasonable expectations for what was at the time the cheapest 3hp cabinet saw on the market. It always amazes me how people expect far more out of a product than the money they can afford to spend will get them. I actually had 2 of these saws in my shop. One was setup solely for cutting dados as being a custom cabinet maker, I cut a lot of dados. I replaced them both for a couple of Harvey cabinet saws not to long ago. So I will say the fences that come with these saws are garbage. They just arent flat and there really isnt a viable way to flatten them as the warping is in the steel. So I just replaced them both with the Very Super Cool Tools extruded Aluminum fence. The extension table is also no good, but they can be easily made with some 3/4 MDF. If I remember correctly, at the time when I bought the two saws they were $1150 each. Cheapest 3hp cabinet saw on the market, so shortcomings were to be expected. Replacing the fence and the extension table still made the saws very much worth it, as the typical fine tuning of the saws is the only other thing I had to do them. SawStop Saws are not with out their shortcomings, but the fact that they cost 3 times more than these, those shortcomings would really piss me off. These were great saws for the money and they performed just as well as the Powermatic saw I had before these. You are just the type that will spend 100 bucks on a product and fully expect it to be the same quality as the 1000 dollar product. Its just unreasonable buddy. You need to check your expectations.

I had some issues with my first Grizzly and was able to work through them. What this guy does not realize is that even the saw stops are junk and based on his demeaner no saw would be good enough for him. G0690 was not discontinued due to issues. Like one guy mentioned.... OMG cry me a river dude.

I'm shopping for a shaper now and this video is enough for me to steer clear of Grizzly. It's a shame because they are based in my state.

This guy buys a “budget” saw and expects the same quality as a saw stop 🤦🏼‍♂️

i have a sawstop, its their top model ics. the iron is just a soft as the grizzly.and the fence face is trash laminate. however everything else great.

Fantastic review, I also made a review on Grizzly!

Trying to think of how the Saw Stop would have prevented the Kickback?

Omg bro cry a freaking river already

Saw stop doesn’t prevent kick back. You said so yourself your assuming saw stop is better. You haven’t tried them. Sounds like you need to go back to Rockwell Delta.

Whine whine whiner. You should've done your homework first. You got three pieces of equipment for the price of one.......

There's a lot of complaints and I am trying to figure out why you bought it in the first place.

Not to be dramatic, but one spark from a nail in a board or whatever and you’ve got a fire hazard inside your table saw. You might not even notice for hours. That sucks man! I definitely understand your frustration. I’ve got a grizzly band saw that I love but they really missed the mark with that table saw.

Reality check, all table saws are dangerous. Kick back happens. It happened to me. All we can do is proceed and use all safety steps.

I don’t think a Saw Stop would stop your whining.😊

When I was setting up my shop two years ago I picked up a delta contractor saw from lowes. I knew that it was a means to an end . I just picked up a Sawstop kinda the last piece to my puzzle. The entire two years I just kept looking at reviews and it always came back to Sawstop. I’m keeping the contractor saw because it’s on point. It’s is actually very accurate. But I have not one regret buying the Sawstop. Have a good one.

It don't take much to mess up. I had dropped my table saw fence in the floor once. It was on a shopsmith 510 taken off and set on the end table but not locked on it. Well I nocked it off when using the cross cut sled. Any way I wet back to ripping and placed the fence on the table, but only now the fence as miss aligned and it was tapered in to the blade as I pushed my board through. I was cutting a board about 8 to 10 inches long 5 inches wide. I was not using a push stick. ( I know bad Idea) I had done this 1000 times before with no issue. As my little short board passed though the back of the blade it was rejected. My ring finger and pinky was wrapped around the fence as I was taught. This saved my hand from getting into a blade but my thumb was pushing it through and the kick back Jammed the board into my thumb bending it backwards as the corner of the board took a chunk of skin 1/4 in deep down the side of my thumb. It was my bowling thumb too and even after healed it was a lot bigger around than ever before and still is way bigger than my left hand. I had to re-drill my bowling balls to fit my thumb. LOl. It still bothers me and is full of arthritis. I can't Afford a sawstop and even if I could I do not have the space. I am in a 1 car garage. I actually love my Shopsmith.

get a harvery, sawstop is way too expensive.

Thank you! I was so close to pulling the trigger on a grizzly. I wouldn’t be happy either.

I think people who own Harvey says the quality is better than SawStop, but obviously it doesn't have the finger detection technology lol.

Initial setup was quite easy th-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a Did have to adjust the fence to blade readout-was off by .003". Blade angle was off by 4 degrees. All easy adjustments. Would recommend.

I had a grizzly (different model but the blade guard was very similar). It was so loose that it would move from side to side (Slop in the attachment to the top of the splitter) so far that the metal part of the guard hit the blade. After changing my shorts, I found that i was down one blade guard and a nice Amana saw blade. Apparently cutting steel with the blade turned out to be a little hard on the carbide teeth. :)

Ok - so what we have here is about a half hour of griping.

So Sorry about the issues you've run into! Thank you for going through your experiences.

Lol, you said that the table saw “picked you up and threw you against the back wall”…. That is the bullshitiest thing I’ve ever heard.

Have you ever considered Harvey saws?

The amount of crying over making poor choices in this video is unbearable. This guy would be crying even if he had bought the sawstop.

A sawstop saw won't fix stupid.

Omg, he has to unscrew a whole fastener and then , of all the horrors, hr has to screw it back in.. geez, crap people complain about these days. Be happy you have a saw of that quality, and quit complaining about stupid stuff, I have prayed every night for several years and I have prayed I get the opportunity to earn enough money so that I could comfortably purchase a saw like the one you have. I would be unbelievably grateful if I had a saw like that, even if it had the so called problems yours does.. im betting saw stops and unisaws have there own fair share of issues, and just like yours they will have strengths... just saying you should try and be thankful that you are able to have such nice tools. When people like me have a very basic grizzly TS from 2000, a very basic delta planer from around 2000, and a craftsman industrial router stand and no jointer to speak of, and I'm thankful that I have these crappy tools, even though they usually are causing me headaches in one way or another, I have them at least and I worked hard to get them.just enjoy ur stuff, don't stress the small stuff.

I just sold that same saw, My 4hp Harvey will be here in 1 week! Harvey is a great saw . Hope you find a saw you like

So you didn't look at this before you bought it and you want a Sawstop without looking one too...

Good comments. Maybe try a Harvey. Great saw, very very happy. Excellent quality....get what you pay for.😊

This review takes nitpicking to a new level. You want Rolls Royce quality at a bargain price. You keep mentioning SawStop which costs three times the price of the Grizzly. If you don't like the screw in the throat plate, don't use it. The table extensions are cast iron. Of course the will be scratched by a steel tool. I have the Shop Fox, which is virtually the same saw. It has some of the issues you mention, but nothing that has kept me from enjoying working with the saw for the last 10 years.