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Others have stated and agree lighter bullets and reduced velocity are basically what will reduce recoil. It is just how it seems to work. The weight of the rifle if you could make it weigh more, would help but that is not easily do- able. You can find bullets on line down to 95 grains and go upwards from there. I have a 6.5 creedmoor and have shot 123 and 140s. I can tell a small difference but am a 200 lb man. I truly wish you the best as when my son you young, I simply bought an inexpensive Savage in 223 and honestly he really enjoyed shooting it. In my state, you can hunt with a 223 although it may not be ideal, but with modern bullets can be very effecting at appropiate distances. Again not ideal but a thought. Good luck! Max

Anyone try this in a M1?

how about a 165gr bullet with h4350 in the 30-06

Hold the fluff, pass the H4350..

Great video

Did you turn your necks after trimming and sizing down to 6.5 creedmoor?

I have used this powder in my 30-06,270Win, and my7mm great stuff

Great vid!

What was your process to work the brass down? I just bought some as well from Gunbroker and wanted to re-size to 6.5CM and also try to neck it to a 6mm for a wildcat shooting 115 grain Bergers.

Seems like the pressure for 54gr H4350 would be about 86,000 PSI. How did you calculate your pressures? Be safe.

Very cool experiment!

Looks like some good velocity and to me that target was not bad at all for all those different loads I really like the .243 win.

I will post the videos 1 week apart.

We need to hear about this diaper wearing Whaa Whaa

My question is how do we know what that chamber pressure is, what the chamber is rated for? Be safe out there.

I wonder how much it shortens barrel life ?

Craziness. Smoking hot.

More curious on a 140 class bullet in the 6.5 creedmoor. With federal brass I get around 2725 with 4350 out of a 22 inch barrel and 2995 with a 120 cx.

at 100 meters the accuracy for this caliber should be 0.5 to 0.25 MOA .

The video on the .243 Win and using Winchester Staball 6.5 is confusing. The use of 80 grain Barnes TTSX with the charge weights of the Staball 6.5 powder displayed is far beyond safe. Please review this video podcast and correct it before a novice causes harm to himself.

I have 700 hybrid military headstamp brass. Im loading 270-308 Improved, 7mm-08 AI, 6.5 CM, along with a few Wildcats.

Is a different bullet 115gr specifically made to puch through armor.

Could you do 30 06 150 grain with Winchester 760 powder ??

So fyi you can buy these cases primed from American reloading. They will have powder stuck inside the cases . $58.49+Tax shipping . included currently per 100pcs. Enjoy 😃. What powder do you think they are used on thise factory rounds ? 🤔

Went to 52.2 with exterminator on 125gn tnt had a velocity increase of 267fps over normal safe loads in gas gun . Can't get it to cycle using these cases in a gas gun .a little afraid to go anymore on that need a junker 😂 . Your really sending it lol . I may try in 6mm since I have one of these stupid things stuck in my sizing die now 😢

Did you ever run into pressure signs? If so, i would like to know what the signs look like. I plan to do approximately the same thing with .338 federal.

Did you ever test this combo more and get a solid load worked up ?

You started your load work up way too high because you had a sticky bolt lift with the very first charge! At the very FIRST sign of a sticky bolt lift you should back off one increment in powder charge and call that the LIMIT. Write it down and never exceed that charge. You gain nothing by going any further. In fact, it is not very smart and you will never get good groups. You probably ruined most of your brass at these high pressures. I'm sorry but this is reality. Try and live there before you blow your face off.

why are you pushing it that hard? In this and the last video your groups just got ugly. That bolt lift can't be good.

I use IMR 4350 for everything. .243, 7mm-08, .270, .30-06, .300 win mag, even .375 H&H. It's a great all around powder.

Why on earth are you using such a fast burning powder on an 06 with a 168grn bullet. That is far too fast burning for that weight bullet. I've been a proffessional Ballistician for over 55 years. You need something like Reloader 22 or 19 or even H4350. Even other slower burning poders work great in an 06 with heavier bullets. My loads with the 165grn to 168grn bullets are doing 3050fps in my 06 with a .328 Sub Moa groups and single digit Es and Sd with RL22. With that load you're using all you're doing is waisting bullets, powder and wear and tear on you're rifle. Not to mention time.

I'd recommending ejecting the empty case and allowing the barrel / chamber to cool Before grabbing a pen to record velocities... ☆

It’s not the speed as much as the material of projectile…

Yeah, i would have started with 52.0 which is what i ran my 6.5-284s at. Quite honestly, i would have stuck with the 6.5-284 simply because of the accuracy. I and many others have burned up a ton of barrels using it at 1k matches some years back and people would still be using then had it not been for the fact it eats barrels at around 800 rounds and so will the PRC if not sooner. Loose the 3k speed mentality and drop the powder till it shoots. If it shoots at 2900 there is a little knob on the top of the scope turn it up a few clicks. Remember most often the hottest load won't be the most acurate one. There are old reloaders and bold reloaders but there aren't any old bold reloaders for a reason.

I don't know what your pressures are but I'm not sure that two lug bolt is up to the task.I would be checking for cracks before failure.

Interesting, I would like to see how this performs in relation to 300 magnum cartridges with 180-200+ grain bullets. If this could be done safely and easily, the 308 with this ammo would make most 300 magnums pointless for hunting

Good stuff, I have a few hundred pieces myself. Are you annealing during sizing?

That was impressive speeds i did a ladder test with the 169 smk in standard.308 brass and got 2905fps

One you find low S. D. Then start experimenting with seating depth to get max. Accuracy.

Quite a few years ago I decided to try Varget in my 30-06 since I had read it was very accurate in this cartridge. I bought the Varget solely for my 308s though. I was working on a bear load to take to British Columbia. I had exhausted and gotten bored with previous and highly successful loads using 180 Swift Scirocco IIs and 165 and 168 Barnes TTSX bullets. I just like to try new stuff. The Bergers were relatively fresh out in the market place being advertised as hunting bullets so I tried them, and with excellent success. I had stored my chronograph during that time as we had just finished my basement and I knew shots were not going to be in excess of 300 yards so I wasn't overly concerned with SD or ES. If the 30-06 was grouping 2-4" at 300 I was more than satisfied with it. Rifle: Blueprinted Rem 700 with detach mag 22" PacNor barrel installed by the late and wonderful John Noveske of Noveske Rifle Works, former PacNor employee Factory wood stock pillar and skim bedded and painted by John Noveske I bought the 185 Berger VLDs to try in my 300RUM and they were screamers but I had plenty on hand so tried in the 30-06 with Varget, Lapua brass, Fed210Match primers. Groups were excellent from the start and never were over an inch at 100 yards from starting charge to max. So, I decided on 0.3 grains under max and called it a day. Killed a black bear in BC with it at about 55 yards, DRT. They shot so well I loaded up 80 rounds and after that bear hunt moved on to other rifle/load projects. That 30-06 killed a LOT of game in that configuration with multiple loads. I purchased a Brux 30 cal #3 barrel 10 twist in 2022 that had interrupted fluting. Last year I decided to rebarrel that 30-06 with it, get the muzzle threaded and cerakote the rifle to match Noveske's stock paint job he called "southwest Oregon." Glad I did!! All the while I thought to myself, what about those extra 80 rounds of ammo near max in that PacNor barrel? I did forget to mention that I also bought 3 Tikka 30-06 rifles last year as well and knew Tikka tested their rifles with high pressure ammo. All 3 are Tikka Hunter models, 1 right hand, 2 left hand. Otherwise, identical. Tested it in one of them and it shot fine and actually a one time 3 shot group was 1/2" which also happened to be the first three shots by me. I decided to shoot that ammo in the newly chambered Brux barrel and it was not only safe but it was also the very first ammo put through that barrel. First 10 shots never got over 0.750. At this point I was clocking my ammo and in that Brux barrel it was slow at 2640fps. Tagged one doe with it on our property last season. She dropped. To prove all I'd heard about Tikka barrels being slower than most other barrels I wanted to see for myself. Naturally I had not been made aware of this before I bought them. I just picked up a new/old stock stainless Tikka T3x Lite left hand 30-06 that didn't sell on an online auction (the biggest one we all know about). I called the seller and asked if he was going to relist it and would he be willing to sell direct. Since he's also a store owner he sold it to me direct. I just took it out Saturday and shot that ammo through it as well along with my old 168 Barnes TTSX ammo I have over Reloder19. The Barnes were first out of this new rifle and 3 went into 0.800. Then I shot 3 groups of 3 with the Berger load and it's a nice tight 3/8" in each. HOWEVER, it's only 2425fps!! So, the rumors are true in this case and after using my new Garmin Pro I have also found previous handloads in many other custom rifles are ON AVERAGE, 200fps SLOWER in my Tikkas!!! That sucks. But hey, as we all say in hunting, take accuracy over speed any day. As of now I own 22 Tikkas and half are going to be rebarreled. I'm taking several of the 30-06s and 270s and converting all of them to 280 AIs even though they shoot really well in factory configuration. Also converting a new 270WSM and 7RemMag to 270-7PRC later this year once my barrels are done.

I just wish I would of stocked up on it when it was around $30.00 a pound!!! YIKES now in the $50.00's crazy.

Good Video. I always thought of 4831 as a great powder for heaver bullets like 180 gr. I would love to see you try Varget in that 6.5. Thanks, and keep them coming.

You do know that the "velocity node flat spot"(Saterly method)has been pretty well disproved at this point right? And, you didn't mention if you were picking a load based off of this test, but at the very best, 3 shot groups allow you to eliminate the worst 25% to 50% from the testing field. I've shot 5 shot groups with 16" el cheapo 5.56 chamber 1:7 AR with factory m855 62gr green tip steel penetrator, and 4 went into 1/4 moa... neither the gun, ammo, nor projectile are even remotely close to capable of that. You also didn't mention your intent for the load. Based on the rifle I'm assuming medium or big game hunting, or just tinkering around and plinking. Anything consistently under 2MOA all the time, would be fine for either of those applications, so the 3 shot groups would be ok-ish to pick a load for that is good enough to get those things done. Anyway, good luck with whatever you're doing 👍

Varget is also recommended. Ive used Varget, imr 4064,and imr 4831 for heavy bullets. Randy Selby swears by Winchester 760,?

I pulled 0.68 with BL-C(2) and 180 Sierra Tipped Game King, from my 30-06. I am seating the bullet for .020" jump. So far, so good.

Either 4350 for the 06 would produce superior results for the 06. Used both for decades 👍👍😀

Winchester 760 is the powder for the 30/06 and varget is the powder for the 308. Test that for a change.