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The "Holy Place" is where God is at. To "take His place" means that he pretends to be God --- and so Demands worship and Obedience. The greek word for "temple" (in 2 Thes. 2) s naon ( and is not the word for a temple building but rather for the sanctuary and our Bodies today are just that: Not a building. 1 Cor. 3:16-17, et al. Also, the word for sacrifice is Missing from the Hebrew text in Dan. 8:11, 12, 13, 11:31, and 12:11. And only the NKJV bothered to place the added words in Italics. And Dan. 9:24-27 is all about Messiah and the "holy covenant" He would make with Many ( in the middle of the 70th week ). Below is why that is / was Jesus and not antichrist. Below or more details as to why this is the case Daniel 9:26 (And how Not ALL Hebrew to English Bibles are the Same) I think you may find this Interesting ? I have also been studying Daniel's prophecies (Still), and Recently decided to Order several Different Hebrew to English Translations in order to Prove to myself what the Hebrew Text actually says in Daniel 9:24-27 (and especially vs. 26) --- as a Hebrew scholar named Dr. Al Garza has videos on youtube explaining these verses too. And he INSISTS that the Hebrew text says "the people of A coming prince" (or "a people of A coming prince" or ruler) will destroy the city and the sanctuary ... as opposed to "The people of THE prince who is to come. ..." And THREE of the Four Hebrew manuscript Translations i purchased Agree with Dr. Garza that the text says "the people (or troops) of A coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary." Those are Dr Jay P. Green Sr. Robert Alter from UC Berkley, Professor of Hebrew, and the Jewish Publication Society of America, 1917 ed. Philadelphia. And according to Dr. Garza, this means that the "HE" in verse 27 refers to the Messiah --- as opposed the Antichrist. The Septuagint also says that "HE” (Messiah - who was just “cut off”) will Destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming" and that the war that took place then was talking about Jerusalem being Destroyed - not the end of the world. That Happened in 70 AD. So the Prince who came was Titus and he came almost 2000 years ago. So this passage is Not talking about a future antichrist entering into a yet future Temple and making breaking a 7 year Treaty / covenant with modern day “Israel” but a prince or ruler (i.e. Titus or Caesar) who came and went almost 2000 years ago. Note also that verse 25 seems to tell us that Messiah would show up at the Beginning of the 70th week. Verse 26 tells us that He would Die AFTER the 69th week (or During the 70th week), and verse 27 that it would be in the Middle of that week. Isn't that exactly what happened? And isn't That when the Old system of animal sacrifice to Please God came to an End (in the Eyes of God and heaven) -- when the Veil of the Temple was Torn in two: when Jesus BECAME the Sacrifice and put a STOP to that system? And didn’t Jesus say, just before He was Crucified that He was Making a “New Covenant” in His Blood with “Many” (i.e Not Just Jews but people of All races and tongues). Isa. 42:6; 49:8; Dan 9:24-27. And Didn't He tell His Disciples to "Go ONLY to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel - and which they did for another 3.4 years.? So, I suspect that all we have left of this Last or 70th week is 45 days (based on Daniel `12:1-12; Isa. 26:20-21 and Rev. 17:14-15 that say, “a little while,” and “one hour” and 45 days - even though the antichrist will reign for 3.5 years: that time is Not the 70th week of Daniel; however, when he begins to reign with the 10 kings (for one hour), then things will be difficult because of the mark. Not long afterward everything will collapse. Isa. 24:1-24 (but esp. 14-16). Note alo Goshen (was Protected too).

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Helpful, thank you.

Without fully unpacking the JW little flock (144K) & other sheep (grt crowd), which we as true christians know as Jews & Gentiles as taught in scripture, then this thread will always struggle for the full picture. Jesus is the mediator between man and God (1 Tim 2:1-5) and not just a mediator between 144K and God, as JWs teach, although most JWs dont understand this fact. At days end Jesus' one sacrifice for all time, was for ALL people, and there are not two ways of finding salvation. You are either in the Old Covenant (flesh) or the New Covenant (spirit) - sadly the Great Crowd are taught that they must have mediation though the Governing Body. This is the biggest flaw / lie. Gov Body teaching millions of Grt Crowd followers that they are not part of Jesus New Covenant, therefore they have zero mediator. That is fatal as only Jesus can mediate through his death and resurrection.

I am under the impression that true repentance doesnt come without the power of the Holy Spirit. I was not capable of *the desire to do away with sin until i got the desire to do so from God. Which i asked him for, by making mysepf a living sacrifice. Intentionally seeking to glorify the messiah, removing myself . We are saved by grace through faith.

I don't get how both the text AND history can be dismissed by futurists. Jesus said the temple they could see, the 2nd Jewish temple would be destroyed. He talked about a lot of other things, and then said "All this will happen in THIS generation." Then, the temple was destroyed at the end of that generation. It is clear.

When preterists try to title something in AD 70 time frame as the abomination of desolation they forget a very important detail in Daniel. The Roman Empire in AD 70 was the legs of steal and was the empire before the final empire of steal and clay represented by the feet of the statue. This is the antichrist kingdom and the timing of the abomination of desolation. So the different empires represented in the 1 statue, so do these transitions of empires represented the passing of periods of time when these empires rule. Therefore we must conclude that the Roman Empire represented by the legs of steal could not possibly be the empire of the antichrist or the proper timing of his coming!

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You've raised an important point regarding the claims made by futurists and the preterist view, particularly in relation to Christ's promised return and the destruction of the temple. Let’s explore this further by breaking down the context and scriptural basis of both perspectives. ### Preterism’s Contextual Strengths 1. **Historical Events**: - **Destruction of the Temple**: Preterists argue that many of the prophetic references, particularly in the Gospels and in Revelation, relate directly to the events surrounding the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD. This massive sociopolitical upheaval, witnessed by the early Christians, provides a concrete historical backdrop for the teachings of Jesus that foretold judgment against Jerusalem (e.g., Matthew 24:1-2). - **1st Century Judgment**: Preterists emphasize passages such as Matthew 23:34-36, where Jesus speaks of the coming judgment on that generation, suggesting he foreshadowed the events that would unfold in their lifetime. This interpretation grounds the expectation of judgment in the immediate context of the first-century audience rather than pointing to a distant future. 2. **Interpretative Framework**: - **Covenant Theology**: Many preterists adopt a framework that views the New Covenant established by Christ as having significant implications for the old covenant system, including the temple. They argue that with Christ’s sacrificial death and resurrection, the old system became obsolete, lending argument to the perspective that any need for a rebuilt temple is unnecessary. - **Metaphoric and Symbolic Language**: The use of symbolic language in prophetic texts is common. Preterists assert that references to a new temple can be understood metaphorically as a reference to Christ and His body (the Church) rather than as a literal structure. This notion aligns with New Testament teachings, such as in 1 Corinthians 3:16, where believers are described as God’s temple. 3. **Scriptural Evidence**: - **Immediate Fulfillment**: Preterism asserts that scripture often speaks to immediate concerns of its audience. For instance, prophetic warnings were intended to call the people to repentance before the impending destruction, making the teachings more applicable and relevant to those living in the first century. ### Critique of the Futurist View 1. **Extra Temple Requirement**: - The futurist view generally posits that a third temple will be constructed in Jerusalem to fulfill end-time prophecy (as drawn from interpretations of Ezekiel 40-48 and certain passages in Revelation). Preterists criticize this notion, asserting that it adds a layer of requirement to biblical prophecy that is not found in the New Testament. - Ultimately, preterists would argue that this expectation detracts from the completed work of Christ, who is regarded as the ultimate fulfillment of the temple’s function. 2. **Judgment Timing**: - Preterists contend that futurists often overlook or reinterpret Jesus' statements about His return and judgment as being relevant to the first-century context. Preterists maintain that His predictions in passages such as Matthew 24 and Revelation were not about distant future events but rather were fulfilled within that generation. - This perspective challenges the futurist tendency to distill difficult texts down into vague predictions that may perpetually remain unfulfilled. 3. **Consequences of Displacement**: - By denying that the judgment and return referenced in the New Testament occurred within the first century, futurists may inadvertently distance themselves from the historical reality experienced by early Christians. This results in a disconnection from the narrative of hope, warning, and fulfillment grounded in their direct experience. ### Conclusion: Preterism’s Contextual Legitimacy Based on the argumentation above, it appears that preterism carries significant contextual weight by firmly rooting its interpretations in the historical and sociocultural realities of the first century. By engaging with historical events, scriptural context, and original audience meanings, preterism presents a cohesive view that holds its bases in the tangible realities experienced by early believers. While futurism brings a hopeful forward-looking perspective, preterism’s strength lies in its ability to connect the urgency of scripture directly to events that shaped early Christianity. It provides a fresh understanding of the texts that resonate meaningfully within the historical timeline rather than abstracting them into a future that remains indefinitely elusive. deep-ai.. I beat deepai in several debates now. Pretersim is undefeatable.

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This is a great teaching

I have answers to all your objections. That's because I take the Bible literally. I agree with you about over-spiritualizing obviously literal texts. That's the failure of the Preterist Denomination.

"Debunking preterism" How do you debunk corroborated history?

"Debunking preterism" How do you debunk corroborated history?

If the paraSia is in our future, then nobody is in heaven yet? So all these pastors at funerals are lying to people about their loved ones being in heaven?

The hermeneutical gymnastics you have to do to make revelation our future is wild! I'm surprised it only took twenty minutes to start throwing around that word heresy😂

Revelation is Jon's recapitulation of the olivet discourse....

Another one decived by futurism. Failing to debunk preterism. They belive in pink elefants and sci-fi scenarios. Their insights are without light. But it's very good that this modern teaching is on it's way out.

This chapter is talking about the dragon which is the Pagan Roman Empire and Herod acting to kill Jesus. The serpent is the same family as the serpent in Eden who tempted Eve. You people need to study! In prophetic language "heaven" is talking about Kings, Kingdoms and not some mythological being getting cast out of "God's Heaven." The woman clothed with the Sun with a crown of twelve stars with the moon under her feet is pointing to the twelve tribes of Israel. See Joseph's dreams in Genisis.

Proverbs 13:10 says, “Where there is strife, there is pride, but wisdom is found in those who take advice.” For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? (1 Cor 3:3) Although I place a high importance on the need to correctly understand and interpret the Bible, if debates lead to arguments where neither party is willing to change his views, this cannot be pleasing in the eyes of the Lord.

Bulls Eye! Right on the mark.

Being "saved" is from the condemnation from Adam not salvation, those baptised for their profession of faith, as this is a parallel passage to Romans 5. Paul can only baptise as his Great Commision, he has no power of judgement. The "works" here are not good works, as they are commanded for those baptised into the church as Ephesians 2:10, and I have a Ytube video 'Ephesians 2:9. Not of works? #32 Myths in so-called Christianity'.

I say Paul refers in this passage to the Circumcision before their Messiah, those like him as Saul were tempted into sin, but now they have been baptised "saved" into the church.

What i think you're missing is that the we today are not the Church. All your traditions don't apply to us.

Revelation was written before AD70, just read it, John's gospel was written after AD70, just read it, and you will find Jesus 'revealed' in heaven with all judgement says John.

Futurism does not find a better fit in Eschatology, it takes a simple explanation and defuses it into an endless speculation, when there is an everlasting covenant.

Offensive Defensive title, those lusting a new Jesus wielding a bloody sword to kill non-Christians, or as a Praeterist all I do is believe Jesus's words and his everlasting covenant.

Brock Jesus is our Lord, Jesus is the Christ as proven by John, Jesus must have had the day of the Lord, else John could not witness Jesus as the Christ, Jesus made John his witness.

John's gospel was written to prove Jesus as the Christ, he can only be Christ if he fulfilled Daniel, as John who lived after AD70 as Jesus said tarried till he come, or Jesus is a liar.

The word resurrection ALWAYS refers to the physical body.

Please Read The Weeping Prophet 600BC!!! Jeremiah 31 v 31 The New Covenant Promised. 32 NOT LIKE SINAI 🪦🪦 33 Indwelling ~ Acts 2 v 1-4… 34 NO SIN‼️ ✝️🩸🕊️👑 Read chew the cud regurgitate chew repeat Inwardly digest.

Full Preterist baptised in The Holy Spirit like Acts 2 v 1-4. JESUS CHRIST IS MY ORTHODOXY. The Lamb was Slain before the foundation of the world. God is Preterist. ✝️ It is Finished. Eternal Spiritual Omniscient I am not swayed by this temporal realm.

This was a masterclass.

Check the context to whom Jesus spoke this, "destroy this temple, and I will raise it in three days, It is clear that he spoke this to his critics Jews, so, it is not only The Jews , but also most christian today are ignorant of the truth, @Mat, 10:26-28, Mat, 13:10-11, Mark, 4:34, Jesus revealed the sacred secrets of God's kingdom to his apostles privately and he instruct them to preach, While he spoke metaphor to his critics, his divisive sword saying, " do not think i come to bring peace but sword, @Mat, 10:34-36, Acts, 5: 28-32, Jesus whispered this to his apostles that Jehovah will rise him from the dead, so, its not Jesus rose himself,

Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity and He is the author of eternal life to all who trust Him alone for salvation. He paid for all the sins of all the world at the cross (past, present, and future). 💞 That payment is put to your account when you have believed on Christ alone for salvation 💘💘💘. *This means that saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.* Jesus rose physically from the dead. God's Spirit cannot die. God's humanity died.

Exactly. Jesus. No other Name under Heaven was given to menkind by which we shall be saved. Acts 4:12. Jesus says in Revelation 1:8 "“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” John 1:18: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.” :) This verse emphasizes the unique revelation of God in Jesus of Nazareth. He is the full and only divine self-disclosure. To know Jesus is to know God. Jesus is the Father's ultimate revelation of Himself. There is no clear understanding of deity apart from Him. The Bible is the Living Word of God and noone can Stop the Truth who God Jesus also is. *Just trust Jesus. HE is the only one who can lastingly quench the Thirst of a human Soul. Please know that Jesus The Maker of all Life 🤍Loves you ❣ and invites you to speak with Him in your heart as you would to a good Friends, He never denies anyone who trusts Him. Reference from 🤍 Gods Living Word the Holy Bible: *John 3:16. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. *Romans 5:8. "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." "For it is by grace you are saved through faith. It is not your own doing. It is the FREE gift of God. Not by works lest any man boast." (*Ephesians 2:8-9).

Here is the key to understand Matthew 24:29-31 Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. These elect are gathered from ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER NOT THE EARTH You will never hear these Rapture teachers talk about Isa 4 Isa 4:2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel. Isa 4:3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem: Isa 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning. Isa 4:5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence. Isa 4:6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

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That would make God a LIAR! In Deuteronomy 30 it is WRITTEN.... For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend into heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’ 14 But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it. ..... You think God gave us a Law, Commanded us to keep it, Promised blessings if we did it, Cursed us if we didn't, Punished people for not doing it, Slayed nations for breaking it, ...... and you believe He knew we couldn't keep it all along? Deuteronomy 5:29 says... Oh that there were such an heart in them to fear me, and to keep all my commandments always: that it might go well with them, and with their children forever. Sounds like the problem was our heart not desiring to obey. It's why we need to circumcise our heart to obey! In fact in Deuteronomy 30:1-4 it explains that when we turn back to Him and obey His commandments with our whole heart, thar is when He returns to gather us from everywhere on earth we've been scattered! Obedience brings us out of captivity!

If the “this generation” in MT 23:36 meant THAT first century generation; as recorded history plainly proves it happened back then with the destruction of their temple and capitol city; then the “this generation” in MT 24:34 must mean the very same generation, THAT one, because the context is the same.. And because the elements described in both chapters are one and the same; that doubly proves it! And when Jesus said “immediately after the tribulation OF THOSE DAYS” his coming occurred.........HE MEANT IT!!

👉"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." -1 John 1:8 "for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God" -Romans 3:23 "Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and doesn’t sin." -Ecclesiastes 7:20 "Behold, I was born in iniquity. My mother conceived me in sin." -Psalm 51:5 "...There is no one who does good, no, not one." -Psalm 14:3 👉From the mouth of Jesus himself: "...No one is good except one-God." -Mark 10:18 "Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except one-God." -Mark 10:18 👉From the mouth of Yahweh himself: "...the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth..." -Genesis 8:21 ⚠️"But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any “good news” other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed." -Galatians 1:8 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 👉Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’ Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.’ -Matthew 7:21-23

Curious! Is your interpretation placing the rapture postribulation? While listening you answered it- postribulation. Where’s the comfort?

I enjoy this so much that I just bought the book Debunking Preterism off eBay.

This is historically and biblically awesome.

When I was 21 they came into my life. They said they were the same as the Jews. So I thought great, and started studying with them. Soon, I saw a dark presence in my housevinthe passage and even in my car. My baby son was restless at night.. screaming and screaming. One day at 22, I realized that I did not want to study with them anymore. I went to the church across the road and went to see the Pastor there. He gave me books to read on the difference between us and the JW's. I started reading them and started my journey of witnessing TO JW's not for them. My son started sleeping through the night. And the dark presence left. I am still amazed that i realised this at 21. God, the Holy Spirit came into my life and protected me.

Thank you so much!! I have been busy with this since since I was 21

Thanks for this clear and simple message

The biggest miracle is this, Jesus Christ rose from the dead, and because He rose from the dead this autoticates everything what Jesus Christ said and did before He's dead on the cross and He's resurection is true.❤ Jesus Christ said before He's dead in the cross: John 2:19: "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."❤

To show who? Where is that found?