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Kris Warwick
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For new and established Filmmakers and Photographers
Oslo/Boston
IG: Kristian.Warvick
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IG: Kristian.Warvick
ISO 12800 isn't that good | Sony FX6, FX3 + ZV-E1 ISO Comparison
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00:00 Intro: ISO 12800
01:25 Cine EI
01:44 Use ISO 800
02:10 Why ISO 12800?
03:11 The FX6 & Noise Reduction
04:15 Who are the cameras made for?
05:36 The Test
09:58 A dream come true
10:47 The Test 2
13:44 Noise Reduction in post
13:55 Conclusion
Sony ISO 12800 Test: 12800 is not as good as they say it is. I was shocked when I did a test and comparison. The goal of the test was to see if there were any differences between the Sony FX6, FX3, and ZV-E1 when it comes to ISO and 12800. There have been rumours about the newest firmware affecting the ISO ability of the ZV-E1 and the FX6, and I thought I'd see if it could survive the test.
The 12800 ISO has been Sony's weapon agains low light over the last 3-4 years, and with the FX3 it really changed the game. But how good is the Sony ISO really? Is Sony FX3 good in low light, or is it just marketing?
This ISO Comparison will help you decide which camera you should get, how to make the most out of your camera and give you a real look at the different ISO values.
Even though the Sony Cine EI (exposure index) is used as a term instead of ISO, you can still think of the two base ISO's as ISO.
So is the Sony FX3, FX6, and ZV-E1 free of noise and perfect? Let's have a look.
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#sonyfx3 #fx3 #sonycinema #filmmaking #camerareview #bestcamera2024 #zve1 #ISO #lowlightcamera #ISO12800
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00:00 Intro: ISO 12800
01:25 Cine EI
01:44 Use ISO 800
02:10 Why ISO 12800?
03:11 The FX6 & Noise Reduction
04:15 Who are the cameras made for?
05:36 The Test
09:58 A dream come true
10:47 The Test 2
13:44 Noise Reduction in post
13:55 Conclusion
Sony ISO 12800 Test: 12800 is not as good as they say it is. I was shocked when I did a test and comparison. The goal of the test was to see if there were any differences between the Sony FX6, FX3, and ZV-E1 when it comes to ISO and 12800. There have been rumours about the newest firmware affecting the ISO ability of the ZV-E1 and the FX6, and I thought I'd see if it could survive the test.
The 12800 ISO has been Sony's weapon agains low light over the last 3-4 years, and with the FX3 it really changed the game. But how good is the Sony ISO really? Is Sony FX3 good in low light, or is it just marketing?
This ISO Comparison will help you decide which camera you should get, how to make the most out of your camera and give you a real look at the different ISO values.
Even though the Sony Cine EI (exposure index) is used as a term instead of ISO, you can still think of the two base ISO's as ISO.
So is the Sony FX3, FX6, and ZV-E1 free of noise and perfect? Let's have a look.
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Business inquiries: kristian@wiildstudio.com
Produced by Kristian Warwick
#sonyfx3 #fx3 #sonycinema #filmmaking #camerareview #bestcamera2024 #zve1 #ISO #lowlightcamera #ISO12800
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3:27 I HIGHLY recommend not ever doing the noise reduction in post if your acquisition format is anything that is using DCT compression with low bitrates. Only leave noise reduction in post for RAW workflows. The noise will reduce the efficiency of the encoder inside the camera since a lot of the bandwidth will be taken up by the noise, not leaving enough for the rest of the details. When using internally processed acquisition formats like H.264 or H.265, leave the noise reduction on in camera. The camera will apply the noise reduction to the raw linear signal before it encodes the video to log and compresses It so it's much better at this job than you, unless it gives you control over that raw linear signal.
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Overexpose 12800 iso by 2 stops. Simple.
The FX3 and FX6 have a base ISO of 800, but the ZV-E1 and the 7sIII have a base of 640. Reviewers like CineD have tested it, and it has the lowest noise. I don't know why the FX3 isn't 640, but it's probably due to Cine EI and to match the FX6. I don't have the time or equipment to go deep into this. It's fine to shoot the ZV-E1 at 800, but the general consensus online for the non-Cine EI models is that it's 640. I'm not a cine professional at all.
You're right. Even though there's no official base iso on the ZV-E1 from Sony's side like it is with the FX3, I totally forgot that they haven't changed this with the ZV-E1 yet. Curious to see if they will. When the FX3 first came out it actually had 640 too (at least that's what we all thought. It's still a little unclear). But thanks for pointing that out! I believe the comparison still holds up, but this should have been mentioned in the video, so I hope people will read your comment. As to why they have it at 800 I assume it has something to do with the FX6 and FX3 being close to identical. Couldn't tell you for sure.
@@kriswarwick Thank you for the quick reply. The only reason I brought it up is because a lot more amateurs have the cheaper ZV-E1.
The sensor is actually ISO 64, only the SLog3 curve makes it 640 or 800, and it's not like that curve is standard.
@@cppguy16 I am very happy you brought it up. Honestly, it's really bad that I didn't get that straight in the video. But thank you!
@@cppguy16 that's true!
I have the ZVE1 and 640 is definitely the base ISO for this camera in S-Log-3 using flexible ISO.
You're right. Even though there's no official base iso on the ZV-E1 from Sony's side like it is with the FX3, I totally forgot that they haven't changed this with the ZV-E1 yet. Curious to see if they will. When the FX3 first came out it actually had 640 too (at least that's what we all thought. It's still a little unclear). But thanks for pointing that out! I believe the comparison still holds up, but this should have been mentioned in the video, so I hope people will read your comment.
@ No worries! Weird Sony isn’t crystal clear about things like this since it’s very important information for operating the camera.
So many artifacts in the background... sheesh. Thats the one thing I hate about sony cameras
Hey dude, I'm listening to you at 1.5 speed and it sounds completely normal, when I put it down to normal speed it feels like slow motion. I'd say that you should bump up the speed of your talking head to at least 1.25x before exporting. Otherwise, great stuff. ;)
Interesting! Thanks! I really appreciate this feedback!
Whats the alternative?
Hej, I think most of your videos are cool and I can learn something from them, but this video is honestly boring..just another ISO test. You have experience in the industry, give us more insight and talk about things that no one talks about. Otherwise this is just a simple channel like all the others that are already too common. Please take it as a suggestion for improvement. As I said, you make good videos. TH-cam does not need another Peter McKinnon advertising medium.
Sometimes the comments that are hardest to hear, are the most important ones. That's why I really appreciate you writing this. Thanks! For me to improve and make better content, I would love to hear more about what you'd like to see more of, and which videos of mine have been good in your eyes. I am still trying to figure out this YT world, and I def. don't want to be "just another TH-camr" as I want to stand out. I want to make more of a difference or at least share things you can't find on any filmmaker/photographer's channel. I made this video because I saw someone on a forum asking for it, but I also see what you mean. I felt good about the intro to this one, and was curious about the reception. I am so grateful for your comment and really hope you will share some of your thoughts with me. Please feel free to reach out to me directly!
@@kriswarwick Hey man, thanks for taking my comment so positively. The video certainly has its right to exist, but in this day and age nobody (at least not me) wants to see a 15 minute ISO comparison video. I think it could have been made more compact in 2 to 3 minutes? Maybe just make the “boring” topics shorter. Of course I understand that you want to earn money from the advertising revenue through longer videos, but please not at the expense of the viewers :) I found your business videos very interesting and the most authentic. How you made it this far, how you charge, how you invest in equipment and what your view on it is, how you create and grow your business etc Here are my suggestions: Put yourself in the shoes of ambitious beginners who have a passion for videography. - What do you wish you had known back then to make it “easier” for you in business? - What is the best way for a beginner to get their first job? - How should I plan my budget as a beginner? How much should I charge in $ per job? - How much does the photography part influence your business? Should everyone do it? How do you charge for this service and how many images do you provide? - How far can we go in creativity for business videos (color, cut) - Legal aspects of video production: copyright, music licenses and other legal considerations - Would you invest in expensive equipment right from the start, or would you keep pushing it until you could justify investing in new equipment? - How do you optimize the balance between business, creative work and free time? - Strengthening brand identity through videography: How to develop a consistent visual brand identity and communicate it through videos. - Video marketing strategies for businesses: How to use video effectively to increase brand awareness and attract customers - Effective pre-production strategies: planning and preparation for a smooth production process. - Optimizing videos for different platforms: Adapting content for TH-cam, Instagram, TikTok and other platforms - Outdoor lighting techniques when time is short. - How much time to plan per project? - How to deal with clients? Satisfaction, criticism, customer loyalty, etc. - Successful collaboration with brands: Building relationships with big brands like RedBull or Nike (how to communicate) - Current trends in video production: what do companies want to see? - Effective use of voice-overs: choosing the right voice and integrating it into the video - Use of drones for recordings as a one man business - Measuring video success: key figures and analysis tools to evaluate the performance of videos - Crisis management in video production: dealing with unexpected challenges during production. - What to do if you need people in the video? How to get “actors” etc.? These are all topics that I would be happy to listen to for longer than 20 minutes.
@@tobis2265 this is so much more than I could ever ask for. Thank you so much! I appreciate you giving me all this feedback and all the ideas! I will include all of this in my videos in the future, and you opened my eyes in a very good way. Thanks again!
@@kriswarwick I hope to see the videos soon :)
Btw hvis du snakker om Slog på disse så er laveste iso 640 som på a7siii som du heller ikke nevner :)
Alle disse kameraene har dual base iso, og det er 800/12800 i s log 3 cine. Se min forrige video om det er uklart ☺️ Det var en lang diskusjon rundt dette da kameraene kom ut, fordi 640 ble nevnt som laveste iso. Men du bør forholde deg til 800, og det er egentlig hele poenget med Cine EI.
Your video is perfect. Do you use enhancers? I had the fx6, sold it, I had the Fx3, sold it, now I'm going to try the Sony a1. I couldn't get used to the soft and blurry image, and now the digital noise on my Atomos. For noise, Neat Video, Topaz?, and for you which other editing program is the best?. I'm Ronald, from Chile, the only amateur Sony user.
Share your cinema secrets hehe 😊
Thanks, Ronald! I am usually trying to use 800, and doing so I don’t get noise. But I tried the Davinci software and the Neat Video. Both worked, but Davinci did something weird to my footage. I like Davinci the best. You can watch the video I made on the switch from Final Cut. Thanks for watching!
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@@Hafiz-p4n In two days I will get the Sony a1, with a 30% discount.
such a good motivated speech to me ,go on on your living with cams and be a film maker, to a better production . thanks bro
Thank you for watching!
bro cant find your IG please want to follow your work, whats your ig?
Interesting.
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You're right. That's the weight I should have mentioned. The 399 I mentioned is body only, without battery and sd card :)
Excellent video! How would you shoot a long video (30+ min)on the fx3 in slog 3 outdoors where the light is constantly changing, with no one behind the camera? In other cameras you can set auto iso and the exposure will adjust automatically. If you shoot in base iso in slog 3, will you have to correct exposure in post as the light changes? Thanks for your insight!
Oh wow. This is a difficult one and I honestly don't know what I would have done if I wanted it to be perfectly smooth. No matter what you do in the camera you will most likely be able to see that a change has been made. The backlight changing is not as bad as the key light changing, so I would go for a reflector :) I am sorry I don't have a better answer for you!
I like your honest review of your Q3.
Thanks for watching!
Can you tell us which flash you were able to use? It looks like the FJ400. How did you get it to work with the Q3?
I have an FJ80 and FJ400. When setting it up you need to choose Olympus as the camera. That works with Leica. I was struggling with this for a while, and honestly just gave up on using the Q3 with a flash. But I've been able to get some really cool ones with the flash, with remote and without.
So annoying... too much talk and way too many gestures. You sound quite un-intelligent and annoying.
the irony of "bring a big camera" two of these and all the other brands look like a joke.
It's a weird thing. "Bigger is better" to a lot of people. The Leica Q3 is a great example of cameras that are super small, but better than most other cameras.
@@kriswarwick its a point I realize, but if not lumix or canon with manual focus setups or rigs, sony is the clear winner. I have a g9 but in low light-f1.8 and Gl at 3200 are the limit, at 4pm its pitch black and wet here, wont want to carry and ruin lights, so I need a body capable of low light run and gun AF holding. If not a dji pocket or phone for vloggin, best is sonny. Its all about the lens, if you have a peewee lens youll look silly compared to someone with a 70-300mm on any body Pictures are different could care less if the videos suck. Sony seems to have it with the zve1.
@@kriswarwick I dont have a Will or Oil Company Inhertiance for no lieca, hell I cheaped out on the lieca lens for my g9 and went for a zve1. If its garbage with a kit I aint dropping a cent, move up
Why not buying a leica M11 instead? Keeping both seems... I dont know, not a good choice?
Honestly, I probably don't have a good answer for you. I would say getting any of these cameras can be hard to justify. But if you look at the total price of a Leica M11 with two lenses, and compare it to the two Q3's, I am not sure if it will be much cheaper. For me, I have fallen in love with the Q3 28, and adding the 43 is just a bonus to my rig.
I actually purchased the 43 as a bit of an impulse purchase as I’d been slightly mesmerised by all the fancy review videos etc… only then I found out about not only the charger but horrid round hood you had to buy if you wanted a filter on the lens! A piece of masking tape and having to buy an original q3 hood left a bit of a bad taste in the mouth… especially having spent so much on the 43. 3 days later it was returned and a 3 month old q3 was purchased for £2k less!! Very happy so far… although I’m probably quite odd, I don’t like the street photography tag that’s generally assigned to the 28, i don’t go around photographing anything and everything, I do like the solitude of remote landscapes & I just like nice quality things that will give great results for a variety of situations… great video btw.
I can't say I blame you for this. I guess the disappointment didn't get to me as much, as I had the charger from the Q3. Good luck with your camera. I am sure you will love it. And if you find yourself doing street photography at some point you'll love it for that too!
what is the windcover for the 416 microphone?
I am pretty sure it's the Sennheiser MZH 600 :)
Thanks for this! I'm curious about what you mean when you say XAVC-S is hard to work with. Can you say a bit more? How so?
So this is just second hand information, and other users' experiences. But in short, the compressed files seem to be harder to process. So depending on the capacity of your machine and the software you are using, you might end up with a bigger challenge with those files. It's ironic as the files are smaller, but it might make sense knowing that the files have gone through a "process" to be smaller/compressed. I hope that was clarifying!
@@kriswarwick Oh man, thank you for explaining!
@@AmariRebel of course! Have a good one!
The way you elaborated all the points covering both the camera and your film making is very helpful. Loved the video❤
Thank you so much! Really appreciate that!
man… i’ve been watching videos left and right about Cine EI and wouldn’t really understand, i would just grasp the basics but i would still be lost about it, thankfully your video just made me realize everything i wouldn’t understand, thank you ! this is the first video i’ve seen from you and i can say you definitely have an amazing skill of saying something with a lot of passion and straight to the point! 🙏🏻🖤
Dude. This comment made my day. I have been nervous about talking about this, as there are so many videos and explanations on this topic. I'm so happy this helped you! Thanks for being here and welcome to the channel!
Great video! Even though I'm Team Canon, the points about having a camera to grow with, that can challenge you, really resonated with me. Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks, buddy! It's never about the camera but the operator. Still, the camera can change the operator!
Currently saving for a Q3, and really been wrestling with this dilemma! Thank you for helping to decide between them. Great video!
Glad it was helpful! Enjoy the Q3 when the day comes!
"I'm considering buying the Leica M11-P with the Summilux 50mm lens and the Summicron 35mm lens. Do you think this is a better idea, or would it be better to just get a single Leica Q3?"
This is a tough question as I haven’t used the M-cameras. All I can say is that I am considering switching 100% to Leica, and there’s not a lot of things that won’t be covered by my Q3 and Q3 43. The Q28 will for most of my work be good enough to compete with the lenses you mentioned. Price wise it’s worth mentioning that a lot of the Leica lenses are close to the price of a Q3.
@@kriswarwickThanks
Ya gotta love how people complain that Leicas are "overpriced" and then go buy one and, after that, even go buy another one. What something is worth is, by definition, whatever people are willing to pay for it. That Leica cannot keep up with demand sufficiently to keep its cameras stocked in stores is objective proof that they are NOT overpriced. What's more, if you are willing to buy two or more Leicas, they clearly are underpriced.
I see the irony and it’s not lost on me. I feel like I probably shouldn’t have used that word. But again, like I mentioned with text in the video, they can push the prices because we buy them. I think it depends on how you look at the term. Nothing is overpriced if the consumer buys it, but there will always be a discussion about whether it’s worth paying that much more for something. Personally I could never buy these cameras (not even one of them) as an individual. I am able to have it because it’s my company’s. But I really appreciate this comment because it’s very accurate! Thanks!
Fineee, I'll sell my kidney and buy both.
HAHA! Sure feels like it's that kind of investment. Not sure if I would trade a kidney, but I would trade a lot of other things lol
43 for me. Way more fidelity from the files I can see. It has to do with the max F2 I guess. Also 43mm is exactly the field of view of my own eyes. Feels totally natural. Great comparison. Thanks for the video
You might be right there! I see how that is a better fit for a lot of people, and it just depends on the use I guess! Thanks for watching!
@@kriswarwick I am also confident and natural with 3 shot panoramas for a wider shot. As long as the distortion is as good as on this lens, shooting panoramas for a wider shot is no issue
Sony rx1r ii used to be my all time favorite camera but when I picked up Leica Q2 4 years a ago, I can't imagine myself go back to Sony any more. It is hard to explain. Using Leica system is an experience. I have know as least 3-4 professional photographers that started to use Leica and never gone back to use anything else as their main system again. I am so glad they finally came out with the 43. I am keeping them both Q3 and43as well. Yes, they are expensive. With Q though, you pretty much buy a lens and get the camera for free at this price point. Way cheaper that getting into M system.
I haven't looked at it like that before, but you're right. The SL3 body is the price of a full Q3, so it actually isn't too bad. Still expensive haha
For that price you get a camera that freezes! 😱
Yeah… that part is unfortunate
I'm with you. Had the original Q and made the jump to the Q3 earlier this year. Then, knowing how the 43 would give me "more appropriate" portrait lengths, ordered one. I figured I could always sell the 28. No way. When I walk around with both, I cover 28 to 75mm easily with great quality. Expensive? Sure? But if you understand the value of these Leicas, they may not be a bargain, but to me, they are clearly worth it. And yes, over the years I've owned and used SONY, Nikon, Olympus, and Fuji. All good, but I kept going back to Leica and now I only shoot Leica. Thanks for this video.
I agree with you 100%. I am considering getting the SL3 in addition to the Q3 + Q3 43. What do you think?
@@kriswarwick I have an SL3. I' not a pro but as an amateur (for the love of it!), I've both studio and other photography that worked better with a system camera. I have a mix of Leica and Sigma glass that satisfy multiple needs. I really like the camera and recommend it enough, so long as you're okay with the weight, size, and dimensions. I used to shoot a Nikon D810, and though the overall designs make them feel very different handheld, the SL3 has some terrific ergonomics for my hands. The images are without question superb and with the Q3 and 43, I can cover everything that tickles me to shoot.
This reply might have been an expensive one for me lol Thanks!
@@kriswarwick 😇
Have you ever considered using a 75mm for portraits? Maybe the Leica SL Apo 75/2? You’d probably be certain you’ve found the Holy Grail. Besides, a 75mm is the perfect companion for the Q3’s 28mm. SL3+Q3 and heaven is assured. 😂
I am looking at the Leica SL3 just about every day now. It's a big investment, but I already put my SOny A7RV out for sale. So maybe your suggestion is closer to reality than you thought!
As far as I know, there is an M-mount APO lens with that square hood. It seems like the purpose is to emphasise that it’s an APO lens.
Aha! That’s insightful! Thanks. Could not figure that one out
For me, I prefer the 43mm because I usually take portraits of my kids. But if someone wants to shoot street photography or landscapes, I’d recommend the 28mm.
That makes a lot of sense!
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I’ve been waiting for you! Thank you so much! Really happy you’re here!
@@kriswarwick The pleasure is mine
Searching Q3 43 and 28 comparison in YT and the algorithm brought me here. Really like your contents and would like to get 28mm also!
Thanks for being here! I recommend the 28!
nice review. But there are still not enough valid reasons to justify USD 8500 price tag :)
regardless of how much I love this camera, I agree with you. For me, running a business it feels more justified but I also know that I could get the same jobs without it.
Great review of the cameras. Leica is on of my dream cameras and I enjoy watching videos on Leica cameras. We need more leica videos, can you do a POV?
Thank you! I am in love with Leica myself now. That would be fun! As in just attaching my gopro to the top of it and shoot that way, for instance?
Oh you just answered it. Low shutter, low number representing th SS. So low shutter is Slow Shutter Speed.
Can you shine a light on what you mean by “low shutter”? Is that a fast SS or a slow SS?
I am so sorry. I have kinda coined my own terms for filmmaking lol. Slow shutter speed that is. Thanks for asking so I could clarify!
@ no worries. Thank you for your reply.
Very nice video. Interesting look at both focal lengths. I’m a Q2 owner so less cropable than the Q3 but still plenty wiggle room left. I have a Q2M too. Now that’s something I really love. It’s my favorite camera of the two. And no, I’m not rich, I saved hard and long.
Oh wow. I was considering the Q2M before the Q3 was released. What do you love the most about it?
@ it makes me think twice before I make a photo. The conditions need to be on par (shadow and light is even more important) and the composition matters even more (to me). It’s sharper than the color version too (lack of the bayer filter) and you can shoot in the dark at high iso without compromising IQ. I’ve been watching tons of videos and read a lot about the Q2M before buying one. I love this camera.
Stop using whatever camera you’re using to take your TH-cam videos. Yes. Your face looks so much better with the Leica Q3 43.
It does, doesn't it... Have to look into this.
Why is this video so dark? Have to strain my eyes just to watch
Maybe you have to see if something is wrong with the screen you’re using? Good luck with Game of Thrones then 😅
Great video and interesting perspectives! We were gonna stick with the 43 with the type of work we do (outdoor portraits), except I can't get it to flash sync at 1/2000. It works fine but 90% of the flash output is loss. We found out the flash will fire AFTER the shutter is ~80% closed due to wireless trigger delay, and I thought Profoto already have one of the shortest delay. Did we buy into the leaf shutter hype prematurely? Do you know if either of your Q suffers from the same problem? Leica customer service has never returned my email but I am beginning to wonder if we got a lemon... I can't imagine wireless strobes are useless to every other Q owner at 1/2000, when they openly advertise 1/2000 flash sync speed... Thanks!!
Thanks for watching! And thanks for commenting! I will look into this and get back to you. I usually never shoot with more than 125 for my portraits, but I am also curious to see how it performs with the 1/2000 as I do that for sports
Can you give some examples of black and white photography please.
I will see if I can make a short on this!