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Discussing Sonic's "Female Character Problem"
Welcome to the channel! My name is Japes, and I talk about a variety of different topics mostly surrounding the Sonic the Hedgehog series. If you're already a subscriber, welcome back and great to have you!
In this short video, I go over the interesting topic of female characters in Sonic the Hedgehog, including Amy Rose the Hedgehog, Blaze the Cat, and Rouge the Bat. It seems like lately there have been a slew of changes to these female characters that seem to be unnecessary and, unfortunately, bring down their characterization. In my opinion, most of these characters' characterization were at their peak in their debut games, indicating that Sega may have lost sight as to why we loved these characters in the first place. It seems that Sega has been scared to allow their characters to fall into certain "stereotypes", but that fear is at the cost of creating characters that don't seem to have their own personality.
This video is more of a discussion video, so please leave your thoughts and ideas in the comments! I'll be responding to every single one of you! If you like Sonic content or nerdy things in general, definitely subscribe to the channel. I will be making videos every single week!
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Art Credits:
Blaze Thumbnail Render: @derekunleashed on X/Twitter
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Gameplay Credits:
Sonic Rush Cutscenes: John Jefferson on TH-cam
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Chapters:
Intro: 00:00-01:16
Amy Rose: 01:17-06:17
Blaze & Cream: 06:18-07:29
Rouge: 07:30-08:39
Outro: 08:40-09:39
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  • @somisimons
    @somisimons 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Please SEGA I BEG of you, do NOT make Amy 1. A girl boss. 2. A mary sue. 3. Personality: loves Sonic, that's it. 4. All of the above. In Sonic 3! Seriously, why is it so difficult for SEGA to make Amy, Amy? Why does she barely have no personality nowadays? The fact she peaked in the 1990s-2000s says a lot about her situation

  • @eclipsez9108
    @eclipsez9108 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I always saw Amy's love for Sonic in some way shape or form in different mediums (Sonic X, Sonic Generations, Sonic Frontiers, Sonic Forces). I didn't grow up with the games, but the games I have played had Amy and Rouge in it mostly. I feel like she still loves, but she hasn't shown it much like you said since Adventure. I feel SEGA listened to feedback and calmed Amy down a bit, since her fangirling for Sonic did get her in the way and caused her to get caught in the cross fire. But in other times it helped, like in 06 when she saved Sonic and the Princess. Also I agree with you on the censorship. I honestly don't understand the code at all that only female characters have to cover up and not the male characters. If you say this then people are like: well they are underage or they will be sexualized. Sadly this is the internet and EVERYONE is sexualized including the males, and also Tails and Charmy are underaged? XD I just don't get it.

  • @katyfive1
    @katyfive1 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    tbh i disagree a lot with this. there's nothing wrong with making amy a warrior character or strong - she can still be those things and have a big heart, or crush on sonic. but as a young girl, i hated her - she chased sonic around and seemed pretty annoying. the male animal characters got to do cool badass things and i dont see people complaining about the male characters all being "warriors". i think some people are acting as if the female characters can only be one thing, but no matter what, they are not allowed to be strong, depsite being super powered anthropomorphic cartoons animals. I hope amy has a lot of heart in sonic 4, and i hope she gets to be both interesting, and strong - like the 3 other mains tails, sonic and knuckles. all the little girls watching deserve to see some cool female characters.

  • @kayleighdriessen
    @kayleighdriessen 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I dislike the original Amy for being so obsessed over romance and worst of all being Sonic unante fangirl so I hope a fourth Sonic movie will fix that.

  • @jonasd.2548
    @jonasd.2548 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Amy Rose. You already talked about Sa1, but Sa2-A lot of people like to say what she did can be replaced by anyone but there isn't a single person in that whole cast that could convince shadow to change his mind. Its because of who she is. Sonic rush, played a role (a very small one) in showing blaze that you can count on other people. Sonic 06- Amy basically finished sonic's job by giving elise the final push to start following her heart. Not to mention she showed sliver the beauty of the past and again, made a character(Silver) change their mind about doing something wrong. Black knight- As the lady of the lake, she put sonic through a trial to test his COMPASSION which in turned proved that sonic is a true knight..

  • @ChasformerG2
    @ChasformerG2 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like the best female characters we got were Sally and Bunnie.

  • @LittlePixieBot
    @LittlePixieBot 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Censoring Rouge is stupid. I'm fairly woke, but I am not for censoring stiff. Context matters.

  • @LittlePixieBot
    @LittlePixieBot 15 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It's difficult to judge the movie with such a short scene. Wait and see.

  • @LannyArtist
    @LannyArtist 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Rouge censorship is so odd. I literally hate that they covered her back, now her wings are just.. clipping through her clothes..

  • @utagawashi1656
    @utagawashi1656 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    For the Rouge costume its made sense when he was more sexy because he showed his provocative personnality. Rouge is an anti heroin her outfit should suggest, and its was not extreme. And if you took a childrens to the beach I think they will see the same things frankly or is the problem? I dont understand, for me its just dumb censorship...

  • @papina54
    @papina54 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I believe that the "Pink touch" in Sonic has lot to do with the huge amount of OCs and badly- drawn fanarts that the users of DeviantArt in the 2010s knew very well.... From the most innocent ones to the "spicy" ones. Using similar schemes for their charachters, It May have been a move by Sega to keep closer their audience and showing them that: "oh yes, you can be Sonic's/Shadow's/Whoever's girlfriend too 😉", hence selling more games. Heck: we've arrived to the point that in a 2010s game a teenager Is introduced in the story and It Is stated that She.... I believe Elisa's the name.... And Sonic are in love 😂

  • @Kowproductions1
    @Kowproductions1 วันที่ผ่านมา

    8:10 never payed any mind huh? Then how did you noticed these small details?

  • @TsuriaDragon
    @TsuriaDragon วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes I want Blaze the Cat to be as she was in Sonic Rush and Sonic Rush Adventures that is the true Blaze not that trash version of her in 06 is not Blaze at all and I hope to God above that whenever Paramount adapt Blaze into the movies that She is not to be paired with Silver but be her own character based in the Sol Dimension she had no true purpose being in 06 at all only for Sega to butcher her character. She deserves better an to get her own game to be an Main Character again. Year of Blaze the Cat for 2025 this year marked 20th Anniversary for Sonic Rush and its been waaay overdue.

  • @ursapolargalactica
    @ursapolargalactica วันที่ผ่านมา

    As a girl i like Rouge Shes hot

  • @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312
    @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Me personally call me crazy but the IDW comics are the best adaptations of Amy, Blaze, Rouge, and I think Ian Flynn does a wonderful job on it he gets way more hate than he needs and I just hate all these die-hard Archie fans just saying Archie's better. Also Amy has matured and has character development, she still loves Sonic, but is just shy and less FANGIRLY about him, so people need to stop being babies, and accept character development. She still has those damsel in distress attitude, she just shows it less.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Nah... you're not crazy some fans like myself do think amy and other female characters are well-written in that comic

    • @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312
      @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x thank you bro, your like one of the only ones who haven't attacked me for having this opinion

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​​​@@BrotherOfTheTemplars1312 if you ask me both ian and evan understand her character well enough. Not to mention Ian's classic amy is the definition of cuteness lol when people keep saying ian flynn doesn't understand amy and such they tend to forget about his classic amy lol i do think he get abit too much hate these days or accusations such as he wants ti remove her crush or making her a girl boss etc...which based on his works that just not true.

    • @asukabruxinha1301
      @asukabruxinha1301 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      character development is something that is meant to 1. be a natural writing choice that fits the point of the character 2. be something with a theme that makes the character grow 3. happen on-screen none of these things happened to amy. flynn just doesn't get the character and changed her to his own liking, as if amy is his own character, when she's not. i don't think people would like if sega said that sonic's personality changing out of nowhere in sonic colors was "character development", since it wasn't. they changed it because they don't care, same for flynn.

    • @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312
      @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@asukabruxinha1301 no let me rephrase that for you, Amy matured in a way that she likes Sonic but is shy, Flynn is damn better than whatever the freak Archie put out.

  • @kage1573
    @kage1573 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have to disagree because we still see Amy's compassionate side in games like Sonic Frontiers where she was adament about helping the Koco which inspired Sonic to help them on the other islands and also showing how she still loves Sonic but it isn't on an obsessive level where that becomes her only personality trait and has more elements to her character now in comparison to games like Sonic Heroes. I don't think that line from Blaze was regression but more of her admitting that she prefers do to work alone but still supports the idea of help. The changes to Rouge are quite minimal and are barely noticed in game but her character has had a return to form with her working with Team Dark again and being able to trust them as a team which is something that the 2010 games refused to show.

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kage1573 A very respectable take. I think Frontiers Amy is the best we’ve gotten in a while, but in later games and the Frontiers DLC she was written to be toned down in the wrong ways imo. I would disagree that the line is not a regression, only because the entire point of the character arc in Rush was her being able to trust and rely on others, so saying that she doesn’t like to do so partially negates that arc. It’s as if the writers saw how she was in the beginning of Rush and forgot that she transcended beyond her old ideologies. Rouges alternative outfits don’t bother me, but when you specifically choose not to give her feminine traits and change minuscule design choices on already established outfits, it raises a question about what we’re trying to say with that, as some of the women in the comments have pointed out. Thanks for *respectfully* disagreeing, I definitely see where you’re coming from 🤝

    • @kage1573
      @kage1573 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @japesplaysgames I think the dlc expands on her character from the base game while also giving her more to do and interesting interactions with other characters where is shows her compassion, sarcasm, determination, and her confidence. I think we still see how she trusts others through her dialogue but still prefers to do things herself such as Knuckles learning to trust others but still decides to protect his island alone or questioning Sonic's decisions. I think they still kept those elements there but just covered the cleavage which was something that was apparent in the Dark Beginnings series but wasn't noticeable because of the writing which uses the same models.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@kage1573 the final horizon's characterization for amy was good...except one thing they made one blunder here ((i'm not just a dmasel in distress anymore)) easily...her worst line in the game and idk who worte this...because i know it wasn't ian flynn he said he didn't write in-field chatter dialouges so i wanna who wrote this line because based on how ian writes amy in IDW is that he never writes amy as someone who doubt about her abilities and herself.

    • @kage1573
      @kage1573 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x I don't think it was that bad because it just felt like Amy saying that she can take care of herself now.

  • @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312
    @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Honestly I just want Sonamy in the next game.

  • @Urmumlel7025
    @Urmumlel7025 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro, Amy was doing flips in SA1, this is not new. Hell, it might even be older than you if you look at the Fleetway comics. She got not one but TWO solo runs where she was th main character. And, they were great.

  • @chair_dib
    @chair_dib วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why do I feel like Wave has the most personality out of any female Sonic character now?

  • @berbernee-x5m
    @berbernee-x5m วันที่ผ่านมา

    i feel like the reason sega covered rouge up is because they did not want people to like rouge pure because of her suggestive appearence, they want people to like rouge for her big personality and treasure hunting skills, since rouge has so much more to her then just her body. they kept her curves, which is good since their normal female features, but they covered them up so it doesn't look as sexual.

    • @donnieslush
      @donnieslush 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I agree

  • @brunoangelfraiden
    @brunoangelfraiden วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think we still need to wait and see how they will handle Amy's personality in Sonic movie 4. We just see her for like... 10 seconds and she did'nt have voice lines yet. I think she can still being in love wirh sonic and being girly and silly and bubbly as she always have been and at the same time being strong. She can be both.

  • @mcmiketastic15
    @mcmiketastic15 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I highly recommend you read the idw comics as everyone including the female characters get the spotlight and show their good characterization. Excluding shadow he sucks

  • @mikaylaakridge4635
    @mikaylaakridge4635 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice picks bro, did a fantastic job. Also fun fact, Sega did a survey before releasing generations to figure out which level fans enjoyed the most, as there were many city levels in the game. Keep it up!

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mikaylaakridge4635 i just found out about that! I think the level selection was great, most of these choices were the best picks for their respective games, but i cant help but want a little more diversity 😅. Thank you for the feedback!

  • @banjo9158
    @banjo9158 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cream, where have you been?

  • @zzcarnotauro
    @zzcarnotauro 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I agree with you in most of the video, except the start, we still don't know how Amy will be portrayed in the movies, hopefully they'll do justice for her and make an amazing characterization like they did with Knuckles and Shadow. I like Ian Flynn, I like his writing but I, as a woman myself, actually despise the way he writes Amy, I feel like *his* writing was the main issue. When Evan Stanley writes her in the comics she's honestly perfect, another perfect characterization was Ian Mutchler's in The Murder of Sonic the hedgehog, she's very bubbly and girly AND strong. theses comments calling SEGA "woke" are honestly bothering me, SEGA is actively trying to remove her crush because for the longest time she was hated for being girly and having a crush on Sonic. SEGA is trying to approach the Sonic Boom characterization where her crush is a secret. About Rouge, honestly her censorship is getting ridiculous. I honestly think it's misogynistic to censor her, specially her back, it's telling the wrong message, that women should be ashamed of their bodies. I think Sonic Prime was the worst offerder, having her chest completely covered is fine! It's a kids show after all, but they also made her *completely flat* ????? implying that her having a chest was the problem, like women should be ashamed of their chests even when they are covered! weird! 😒

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zzcarnotauro It’s way too early to tell how Amy will be in the next movie, that intro was more of a way to draw a parallel between her portrayal in the movies, and her seemingly inconsistent characterization in the games. I don’t mind Ian too much either, but i agree with you on his writing on Amy and that it’s not very well handled. TMoStH was a really good interpretation of Amy, and I haven’t read too much of the comics. My video pertains specifically to how she is in the games. I really don’t like political vernacular like “woke” to begin with, and even using “girlboss” in my video was hard enough (and when i use it, i mean it very loosely and for a lack of a better term), so trust me, we agree there. It seems you and I have the exact same take for Rouge’s censorship, and i wish her way of embracing femininity wasn’t viewed as a problem. Very interesting to hear your perspective, especially coming from a woman! Thanks for commenting, I love these discussions.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I am curious what exactly you dislike about his writing for amy i mean the way evan and ian write amy has alot similarities I mean ofc there are some differences too ofc. But let me break down similarities: 1. Both do infact potray her love for sonic in some way or another Ian(2,14,15,32,67) evan with chao race,37(abit at the start of the issue),39,75) etc.. 2 both do nail her compassion and caring nature right. With evan (is the camp arc when amy was comforting jewel that she can do it and handle things. With ian (in the metal virus when she saved crram and giving her emotional support when she lost her mom and frontiers which i know it's not in the comic but that game nailed that one aspect if her character very well) 3. Both potray her strong and capable. For ian is self-explanatory but for evan an example i could give is in urban warefare when she lift a giant hammer and bash it at a robot. 4. Both do have her quite bubbly and energetic quite abit For ian (issue2,sonic frontiers prequel comic,after escaping the zombots and flee to angel island she was abit bubbly there too until zavok came, aftermath of metal virus(quite abit after she hand tge restoration to jewel and before eggman's attack),62,67 etc.. as for evan with chao race, phantom riders arc,37 etc..) So the difference is that evan make amy more girly and well..cuter while ian does it less just have her abit bubbly and energetic at times but not really making her all girly... atleast with modern amy he does it quite alot with classic amy though like ian's classic amybis the definition of cuteness and he nail her consistently. But overall my point is while there maybe some differences between their potrayals but it's not that much that it's a 180 or day and night. And one of the issue with your argument if...sega truly wanted to remove her crush for sonic then we wouldn't even have soke great potrayals of amy such as IDW and murderer of sonic the hedgehog if this was mandated that amy no longer love sonic anymore...then none of this would've even happened like...game over think this for a moment

  • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
    @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    3:54 are you even sure amy can actually fall into the girl boss category? Like... here's the thing about a Girl boss. A girl boss is a woman that acting to basically be a man and show superiority over others, needs no one, lacks a lot of empathy and like really broody etc...that's what a girl boss actually is. For amy if they removed her passion,compassion, empathy, bubbly, cheerful and fun loving nature and her love for sonic etc..then sure she easily fall into this category but yet that's not the case in most of her modern potrayals such as IDW, frontiers,murdere of Sonic the hedgehog they pretty retained most of it even under ian's pen. Like in IDW she's fun-loving, bubbly, energetic,abit hot-headed(if you get her bad side), compassion and ofc expressing herself to sonic kind of a same thing in murderer of sonic the hedgehog. and in frontiers she displayed her compassion and caring nature and emotional towards the kocos and it showed the love-aspect about her character and when she was corrupted by cyber energy she stayed optimistic, positive and determined to keep going. with that i don't think she actually fall into the girl boss category.

  • @JadAwwad
    @JadAwwad 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Agree on the first two points Definitely want Amy to have a compassionate character and an obvious interest in sonic But I must disagree with you on Rouge Covering some of her "exposed" body is definitely welcomed It's simply not appropriate Her style , character , and body is obviously the same , just some parts covered because children play the game , and as a religious adult I prefer women to wear modest cloth , so yeah I welcome such changes

  • @erioscorradetti1229
    @erioscorradetti1229 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    8:25 im a kid and i give attention to rouge

  • @Winder_Storm
    @Winder_Storm 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think it’s just sad how Amy treated in the 2000s with games and media by Sega , like in X ,sonic battle , they wrote her as a joke so many times and made it look like sonic dislikes her , but instead of people calling out sega for disrespecting their female character , they shat on Amy “she’s obnoxious, nothing character , annoying, is only obsessed with a man” and Sega only listened to the wrong crowd, even though it’s their fault people feel this way about Amy Sega has been trying to put Amy in a good light ever since 2013, but not to help her character but to appeal to people who never liked her and misunderstand her for being a “stalker” , Now Sega is super strict and safe with Amy, thank goodness for idw and murder of sonic 😭

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      pfft...please if sega was supr strict and safe with amy you wouldn't even have those great potrayals of amy in IDW and murderer of sonic the hedgehog :/ my point is sega isn't afraid to let amy be expressive and bubbly i mean if that was the case then why they let the writers to write her like that?

    • @Winder_Storm
      @Winder_Storm 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ idk there’s a difference how Amy has been written in the games compared to idw and murder of sonic , even in the tails tube and sonic Twitter takeovers , she was acting like her crush for sonic was a secret , the new tails tube writes her much better

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Winder_Storm first off...those twitter take overs isn't don't matter all that much those are just for fun and humor and it's not just really amy literally every character including sonic feels abit diffrent too in those twitter take overs against those are not matter that much or ever affect the direction of the series and character writing also just for your informations murderer of sonic the hedgehog is also a game too like if you are gonna talk about how she's potrayed in the games murderer of sonic the hedgehog is one of them aswell.

    • @Winder_Storm
      @Winder_Storm 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x murder of sonic was handled by fans 💀, the Twitter take over , frontiers , those are directed and written by Sega , there’s a huge difference how she is portrayed, Sega has their own way in how they wanna portray Amy

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Winder_Storm murderer of sonic the hedgehog was handled by the social team of sega to be exact which they also have to work around the same guidelines as the idw staff.

  • @nightcoreakane2410
    @nightcoreakane2410 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I disagree. Amy has changed a lot because she's gone through character development over the years. in SA1 she learned to start standing up for herself. In Sonic Battle she trained relentlessly to become stronger. And now, even though she doesn't have super powers, she's physically strong enough to contend with characters like Knuckles who actively have super strength, all thanks to her hard work.

  • @featherexe
    @featherexe 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Personaly for Rouge what bother me the most is how now her outfit goes above her wings which is weird asf like how is she supposed to fly then ??? I don't really mind the Sonic Prime outfit for her bc she still slay in them but like literally in every outfit she had in arts/games before she was embracing her feminity and curve and it's sad that now they want to cover it at all cost when kids literally don't care about sh*t like that. Other than that i just want them make Rouge have more interaction with Team Dark in the future lol

  • @Theia_sb
    @Theia_sb 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Congrats on 83 subs!! You’re really underrated!

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Theia_sb Thank you! We’re on the road to 100 🙌🏽😂

  • @sharzinlalebazri5673
    @sharzinlalebazri5673 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The tarot card thing becomes more offensive when you realize that the reason she had that hobby in the first place wad that reading tarot cards was a common hobby among Japanese girls at the time and it was added to her bio to make her more relatable. But now Ian is using it to turn her into a "weird, mystical, oracle freak" archetype.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Um ok i don't particularly don't know much about Japanese culture but.. what's so offensive about those cards? I mean...if she wants to use them along with her hammer then let her use it it could be a part of accessories along with the hammer besides it's not like it's a personality trait it's a tool an object it's more of a gimmick not a personality trait.

    • @sharzinlalebazri5673
      @sharzinlalebazri5673 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x The reason it's offensive is because it goes against the whole reason she had that hobby in the first place, the whole purpose of putting that in her bio. It's taking something that was meant to make Amy more grounded, ordinary and relatable and uses it to make her look mystical and weird.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@sharzinlalebazri5673 wait more ordinary as in making her more normal? Bruh...She's far from the helpless little girl that was more of an inconvenience than an asset she's an actual member of the team she's no longer this underdog weak girl anymore so idk why you keep insisting that she should be weak as hell? You do realize she doesn't need to be weak in order to be compassion she can still be compassionate and have empathy while also being strong and independent which... infact she already is!

    • @sharzinlalebazri5673
      @sharzinlalebazri5673 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x Bro didn't just drink the kool-aid, bro became one with the kool-aid.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@sharzinlalebazri5673 brah...what are you talking about? Speak normal also when you are saying that she using the tarot cards and it's offensive to her character like...how? You are not really losing anything here and also why you even want her to be weak? Like are we just gonna forget the fact she was indeed training to become stronger in sonic battle? In that game we've shown that yeah..she does training infact.

  • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
    @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    3:36 him: we pretty much see amy have no ties to sonic. *Proceed to show a Cutscene of amy hopelessly wants to give Sonic two cupcakes exactly of their colors and insisting to give the cupcakes to him while making silly face because she loves sonic* You serious..

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x “No ties to Sonic” as in her feelings for him have been reduced to implication. Sorry for the confusion I should’ve worded that a bit better!

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@japesplaysgames but..she still loves him she still shows it.

  • @Chillin-jg8vg
    @Chillin-jg8vg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't really think it's a female problem it's just a Sonic character problem look at Silver and The Chaotix the games barely done anything with their characters. I get not liking Rouge getting censored but this isn't nothing new her design got censored in Sonic Heroes and Prime. But to be honest most of the changes in Generations Remaster was pointless considering some of the characters say the exact same line from the original game. I'm pretty sure in the hub world in Shadow Generations Amy flirts with Sonic. I wouldn't say Amy is entirely a girl boss because her love for Sonic had motivated her to care about others.

    • @HyperSuperSonic-i1f
      @HyperSuperSonic-i1f 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The hub world in Shadow Generations Amy does not flirt with Sonic. There is left over animations from the original 2011 version

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Chillin-jg8vg what you just mentioned is a very interesting point of discussion, because i do believe all of these characters have been reduced to shells of their past selves. However, specific changes, such as limiting romance and censoring feminine features, do make it plausible to consider this a “female character problem” (the quotes in the title alluding to the fact that i mean “female problem” very loosely). But you’re definitely right in the sense that it’s far more wide spread than only the girls.

    • @Chillin-jg8vg
      @Chillin-jg8vg วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@HyperSuperSonic-i1f My bad than someone in another comment section said she had lines with flirting with Sonic.

    • @Chillin-jg8vg
      @Chillin-jg8vg วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@japesplaysgames When you mean limiting romance you mean Amy not flirting with Sonic?

  • @snowdude8583
    @snowdude8583 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    13:59 eh I’m glad they changed stuff, remember this isn’t a direct adaptation of it, if you want a direct adaptation go ahead and watch Sonic x,

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I’m glad they did too, and like i said, I wasn’t expecting a SA2 live action remake. It just matters if the change services the story as much as possible, and in my opinion, they gave too much screen time to Gerald and should have focused a bit more on Shadow. Much like SA2, shadow’s switch to the good side felt a tad rushed.

  • @VanessaWong-yi5pe
    @VanessaWong-yi5pe 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You need to consider the difference in cultures. There's a massive difference between Amy Rose in Japan's *Sonic CD* and Amy in the Fleetway comics. While Amy was kidnapped in the canon games, comic Amy was an unstoppable force, similar to Rey from *Star Wars*. The *Sonic OVA* featured a character named Sara (or Seira), who, if written in the Fleetway or Archie style, would likely be a leader or a character like Julie-Su. The point is, characters like Amy Rose are written differently depending on whether they are created by Western or Japanese writers. Since *Sonic Frontiers* is written by a Western writer, Amy's depiction aligns with what you'd expect from that perspective.

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You do know the writers have some Character mandates right? They can't just write her however they want and turn her completely different like there are some guidelines.

    • @HyperSuperSonic-i1f
      @HyperSuperSonic-i1f 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@JakeThehedgehog-m1xNo, the comic characters were all out of character until 2011. As someone who read fleetway and Archie since the 1990s I am going to be blunt with you. Everyone in the Sonic community said it was inaccurate. And we all complained when Archie turned Sonic into some mediocre love drama with thousands of Echidnas. You are either new to the fanbase or you dont understand. There was a massive split between fans angry at localized changes in the Western localized version of Sonic for decades. I was part of the Sonic community all this time. I know what I am talking about

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@HyperSuperSonic-i1f archie and fleetway were always their own thing...i'm primarily talking about IDW..the idw comics have character mandates which implies for the games aswell i mean sure the localizations for japanese and english versions might be diffrent sometimes(which it's not anything new) but the writer...who do the character-writing and dialouges for the game they have to follow those character mandates.

  • @VanessaWong-yi5pe
    @VanessaWong-yi5pe 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The changes to Amy Rose’s character in the early 2020s reflect a broader trend in the gaming industry toward increased sensitivity and inclusivity. *This shift aligns with the principles of the Bechdel Test, which evaluates the portrayal of women in media.* Sega’s adjustments are part of a wider effort by AAA studios to improve the representation of gender and identity in their games. New offices and partnerships were formed to address cultural sensitivities and avoid harmful stereotypes. _While some view these changes as positive, others see them as unnecessary or even as censorship_ Regardless, this shift marks a significant change in how video game characters are developed and portrayed.

    • @MB-cb2he
      @MB-cb2he 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I can simply Sega's new DEI and ESG initiatives. Their fancy wording essentialy meant "game characters are sexist and they need to be fixed"

    • @Chillin-jg8vg
      @Chillin-jg8vg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes a Japanese franchise is worried about dei. It's not like they changed Amy's character because people didn't like how she was charactized back than and hated her.

    • @VanessaWong-yi5pe
      @VanessaWong-yi5pe 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Chillin-jg8vgSonic has DEI. Just as Square Enix with FF7 Remake.

    • @VanessaWong-yi5pe
      @VanessaWong-yi5pe 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Chillin-jg8vgWhy do you purposely post false information? Because internet anonymity hides your face so you cannot be identified?

    • @VanessaWong-yi5pe
      @VanessaWong-yi5pe 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Chillin-jg8vgSega, Square Enix has strong DEI policies that affect their game franchises as a whole. The consultancy firms work with both Japanese and Western studios for a unified version. Sega is completely transparent about this and has no intent on hiding this

  • @jennypagan6120
    @jennypagan6120 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nah bro you had maria robotnik in the thumbnail and DIDNT say a damn thing about her characterization HUGE MISSED OPERTONITY! IDGAF IF SHADOW HAS ME AT GUNPOINT HER FUCKING CHARACTER IS SO FUCKING 1 DIMENSIONAL! MOVIE MARIA HAS MORE PERSONALITY THEN HER! IDC IF SHE FUCKIN DIED SHES STILL ONE DIMENSIONAL! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO RELATE TO HER AND SYMPATHIZE WITH HER IF GAME MARIA IS BASICALLY JUST A MARRY SUE THAT JUST SO HAPPENS TO HAVE AN ILLNESS!? AND WHATS MARIA GONNA FUCKIN DO!? CRY? GOOD! MAYBE THEN ID GET TO SEE MORE CHARACTERIZATION FROM HER! GOD I HATE IT WHEN HUMAN CHARACTERS ARE WRITTEN LIKE THIS! THATS WHY THE ANTHRO CHARACTERS ARE MORE INTERESTING! THEY HAVE DEPTH! and i WISH they gave us more cutscenes of shadow and maria hanging out together in sxsgens hell i wish they did that in sa2! That would make her death more impactfull! Sega look all im saying is just give the human characters more depth ESPECIALLY MARIA! cuz then that would make shadows story even better! If you can make maria more relatable in the movies then you can add depth to her character in game you have NO excuse!

  • @the_art_robo938
    @the_art_robo938 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i have confidence that the movies will do amy right like how they did both knuckles and shadow before her

  • @manoftruth0935
    @manoftruth0935 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You hit the nail on the head with the Rouge segment. The problem stems from the prudes in western nations demanding beautiful females be covered up, but the same people would also say nothing when a bloated land whale is walking around IRL in a string bikini, calling it stunning and brave. Like you said, us guys didn’t pay much attention to Rouge’s assets when we were younger, is because we were young. A lot of us didn’t even experience our first voice crack yet when we first saw female characters like Rouge. And also, whenever someone tries to go for the “rule34” assumptions, I like to say: “that seems more of where your mind goes first than my mind.” They never have a real comeback after that.

    • @Chillin-jg8vg
      @Chillin-jg8vg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They say video game Women gives real life Women unrealistic body expectations but than have all of the Women be fat which also is unrealistic body expectations cause not all Women are fat. The hypocrisy. 😂

    • @manoftruth0935
      @manoftruth0935 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ double standards as well. Fat isn’t healthy, and the fat influencers are dying well before their forties. And you can bet that none of them ever had kids before they got the fat on them. When a woman has big breasts, wide hips, and a small waist (hourglass figure) that is a sign of high fertility, and no matter how advanced we get, instinct will always override thoughts. So in this context, Rouge and Vanilla have the signs of high fertility, leaving poor Blaze worried that she may not be able to continue her royal bloodline (mostly because timeline of events doesn’t seem to exist in Sonic lately, ever since the Archie run had a major reboot after the Penders lawsuit and didn’t continue, but the cancellation was most likely not the result of the lawsuit, and that how mobians develop is never explored upon in a way that is subtle enough for young kids to not notice). But since we don’t know the order of events exactly, we can deduce that despite the obvious, mobians develop in similar patterns. (Side note of what I noticed with anthro characters, the more they are clothed, the more it implies the characters are more similar to humans than animals. So if a male anthro is wearing pants… you get the idea).

    • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
      @JakeThehedgehog-m1x วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm gonna be honest I really didn't care that much if rouge was censored i can't speak for everyone but if me personally lose my shit over rouge's chest being covered i might aswell make myself a weirdo

    • @manoftruth0935
      @manoftruth0935 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ it starts with covering Rouge, then the same people who pushed for that are now demanding that Sonic wear pants. Oh wait, then it’s just blue Crash Bandicoot. And you won’t be able to complain about the censorship.

    • @Chillin-jg8vg
      @Chillin-jg8vg วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JakeThehedgehog-m1x Rouge getting censored isn't even that big of an deal she has been censored before in Sonic X, Heroes and Prime yet I seen no one have a fuss about that. It's just people nit picking at this point.

  • @winxclubcomejointheclub6066
    @winxclubcomejointheclub6066 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I liked her best in SA2 and the Boom show. In both you clearly see her try to emphatize to solve problems and use offense as the last possible resort,not to mention they are both unapolegetically feminine which is something that makes her unique IMO.

    • @Chillin-jg8vg
      @Chillin-jg8vg 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I agree SA2 Amy and Boom Amy are the best portrayal of Amy.

  • @alu_sonic
    @alu_sonic 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    PLZ SEGA WHAT IS GOING ON WITH BLAZE !!!!????

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alu_sonic no fr 😭

    • @hellwalker899
      @hellwalker899 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Morio Kishimoto likes her

  • @Bobble-m6e
    @Bobble-m6e 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In Sonic 4, while I want Amy to be competent in battle and have the ability to hold her ground, I also want to see her ‘girly’ side, if you will. I’ve seen loads of fan comics depicting her as bubbly and compassionate, and honestly, I couldn’t agree more. I would also like some hints and teases at sonamy, but I don’t want to see Amy being obsessed with Sonic, who runs away and has no interest. What I really want is for Amy to develop meaningful connections and relationships with the other characters, encouraging them to spread love just like herself. All in all, paramount, please don’t screw this up.

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Bobble-m6e What you just described sounds like a perfectly balanced Amy! Hopefully we get that for her film debut.

  • @ezbeingbreezy
    @ezbeingbreezy 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    have so much to say about blaze i'd have to make my own video to get all my thoughts out but im surprised you didn't mention her portrayal in other places like the comics. i think they don't really have a solid handle on her character either, and they're being held back by not being allowed to explore her world. just a sea of missed potential man. fyi re: 7:20 she's still reluctant to rely on others for help even though she learned to be more trustworthy, she still has her moments of relapse. we see this also displayed in rush adventure and the sonic channel stories from '21

    • @japesplaysgames
      @japesplaysgames 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ezbeingbreezy This video was mostly pertaining to her portrayal in the games. I haven’t read much of the comics, but i do intend to. I’m inclined to go with your take where Blaze is just relapsing, but how they’ve handled her character as of recent doesn’t support that they really had her development from Rush in mind. I totally agree that her not being able to go back to her home world is also a huge missed opportunity!

    • @kage1573
      @kage1573 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think the IDW comics do Blaze justice because we see her having great interactions with the cast while also getting involved in important arcs where she is able to contribute heavily to the plot, being able to emotionally support friends like Silver, having her own fears of leaving her world which lead to an in depth conversation with Knuckles, and her character still keeps a strong consistency from Sonic Rush.

  • @KyrenRoberts-f3c
    @KyrenRoberts-f3c 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Me personally, it still won’t ruin a female character and come on other female characters from sonic like DIBW characters Archie characters your name so not all of the female characters is a problem and by the way Maria was killed and shoot and was a childhood friend to shadow so I curious why did you add Maria into this?

  • @SparklingJam
    @SparklingJam 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All they need to fix rouge is to play a saxophone every second she’s on screen

  • @SparklingJam
    @SparklingJam 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro my brightness is all the way down and I’m still getting blinded by the video 💀

  • @JakeThehedgehog-m1x
    @JakeThehedgehog-m1x 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ok...i'm gonna be like 100% honest and straight with you and if you disagree with me that's fine but imo i think idw amy might be the best version of amy because in the idw comics she pretty much retained most her traits and qualities like being energetic,bubbly and cheerful and shamelessly express her feelings towards sonic and let him know how she feel about her(issue 2 forexample) and quite compassion and understanding etc...i think she's probably the best she's ever been in IDW in games i won't say she was bad in games i mean she undeniably has some pretty good potrayals such as SA1,2,06,unleashed,riders quite abit but she also has some not so great potrayals such as rush,battle,heroes and ofc...the infamous one free riders in games she was abit inconsistent and all-over the place with no consistency until IDW came...and single handedly revitilized her character i'm not gonna say re-invent because those traits were always part of her character but the comics overall gave her more personality and fleshed her out more with much more consistency so that's why i think idw amy is the best version and probably better than how she was written in 2000's and sonic X. also i would like to point out the way ian wrote her atleast in IDW was never exactly felt like she's a mary sue who's perfect and can't do wrong with no flaws i mean...yes in the metal virus saga it kinda felt like that but amy did made mistakes and screwed up a couple times and you really could see the responsibility on her shoulder really took a toll on her to the point having mental breakdown and stress so many time you see her being challenged like seeing the other side of her you normally don't see which i kinda like that like you don't see that really often with other female character like forexample movie peach was did she made any mistakes or had any flaws or legit have any stress or something? not all much plus i don't see any problem with amy having some leadership skills(if not professional) and also being a strategist i mean...after all if you are gonna write her off more mature and slowly tone down her overly obssession aswell as removing the ((chasing sonic)) you gotta replace it something else and..i think this is it.

    • @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312
      @BrotherOfTheTemplars1312 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hell yeah the Idw comics are the freaking best sonic comic books I've ever read, I'm so you agree that Amy and the others are written greatly in the Idw comics

    • @Abner-gu3ve
      @Abner-gu3ve 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I agree. IDW Amy is still affectionate and loving but not obsessive. She can fight and hold her own but is not some OP Mary Sue

  • @HatsonicMiku01
    @HatsonicMiku01 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I LOVE Maria’s characterization in the movie, and I hope Shadow’s memories are shown more in movie 4!