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Yea, I think you're probably right. To be fair I haven't drop-tested one, but the lid doesn't feel like it'd be as durable as some other brands like YETI.

It's kind of crazy when you first sip out of an Owala and you realize how much the air restriction in many other straw lids really does make it more difficult to take a sip. It's not like it's a huge problem in the grand scheme, but work smarter not harder right?

Yea, I was a little late to the party

Good points, but to be fair most of those benefits would apply to other brands like Hydro Flask too. And the flexible Hydro Flask handle is wider and less likely to break if you drop it. It all comes down to preference though.

Insulation is just the resistance to heat/energy transfer in general, so the hot water test rankings should apply to cold water / ice tests too. The hot test is just a lot faster to do and easier to control compared to ice tests. But you're right, eventually I want to do ice tests too. Maybe when this channel is more of a job instead of a side project (hopefully we'll get there soon if we get a few more videos like this one). Also, Owala saying their bottle isn't made for hot liquids has to do with pressure and potentially burning yourself and not insulation. They just say that it's not for hot liquids for liability reasons (I assume). To quote Owala: "Drinking hot liquids presents a risk of injury. The straw allows generous amounts of liquid to be drawn suddenly into the mouth from the bottom of the bottle where the temperature of hot liquids is usually higher than it is at the liquid's surface. Hot, carbonated, and perishable liquids and other contents may build up pressure within the bottle and unexpectedly leak or spray out. Pressurized contents also may cause the spout cover to open rapidly enough to injure fingers positioned in or near the recess behind the spout cover. Always open with caution."

Yea, I'm not sure. I usually stick to water in bottles like these. But eventually I'd like to take a look at shaker bottles, so maybe I'll learn more about the options for thicker shakes/smoothies when I get into bottles like those.

Insulation works both ways so it tells us how it would perform with ice relative to other bottles, but the hot test is faster and easier to control. Also Owala saying their bottle isn't made for hot liquids has to do with pressure and potentially burning yourself and nothing to do with temperature retention or insulation, and they just say that it's not for hot liquids for liability reasons (I assume). To quote Owala: "Drinking hot liquids presents a risk of injury. The straw allows generous amounts of liquid to be drawn suddenly into the mouth from the bottom of the bottle where the temperature of hot liquids is usually higher than it is at the liquid's surface. Hot, carbonated, and perishable liquids and other contents may build up pressure within the bottle and unexpectedly leak or spray out. Pressurized contents also may cause the spout cover to open rapidly enough to injure fingers positioned in or near the recess behind the spout cover. Always open with caution." Feel free to watch my longer insulation video if you'd like to learn more about how heat transfer and insulation work. Many people ask us about bottles that avoid plastic contact, so I've started answering that common question with each bottle we review. There are unknowns with how water coming into contact with some plastics can affect health, so while you are correct that plastic pipes are used in many potable water systems, many people choose to avoid plastic contact as much as possible with what they can control. I have a video about BPAs and water safety that you can watch to learn more, though that video did not get into some growing concerns with BPA-substitute chemicals found in plastics currently in use with many water bottles (more research is needed). I don't like how color drops make these more of must-have collectibles for some people but that is my opinion. You're welcome to have your own. Let me know if you have any other questions.

It's fine to not want or need it. Overconsumerism with bottles is a problem imo. I'm hoping videos like these can help people figure out the 2-3 bottles they really need.

@@bottlepro3252 I had 2 of them same day shipped to my house after watching this video and I really like them. 🤦‍♂️ I didn’t have an insulated bottle already so at least there’s that

I don't recommend using Owalas that way

we can talk about things like installing ceiling fans too. adulting is fun, right?

You're probably the 5th person to mention Zojirushi. They're climbing my list of the next type of bottle to buy and try out.

you either love it or hate it without much in-between, haha

I haven't tested it like that because of the cost, but I'm going to assume if it can handle getting run over by your F550, it could handle my little Frontier, haha.

Fair points! Dents definitely build character, haha.

Do you mean the coldest? That's one brand that's high on my list to get next. Curious to do an insulation test and see if it lives up to the name.

Yes, The Coldest. I purchased my 1st one near when they first started in their tiny warehouse in Naples, FL. One of the owners used to personally respond to my emails. I have them in several colors in 21, 32 & 64 Oz sizes. They’ve never let me down as far as keeping the water cold sometimes up to over 48 hrs.

The video focused on the bottles with vertical sides and wide mouth threaded lids, not the press-fit magslider lids that are found in tumblers. Mentioned that after showing the lineup, and I just did the bottles because I'm trying to keep my videos from rambling past 20 minutes anymore. And the hydro flask lid has more steps and parts, but I've used both and I personally find it easier. I don't like how yetis sip lid has the raised rim all the way around the top that makes it harder to get the proper leverage to pop it open. Not a huge deal obviously, but I've used both and that's my opinion. That and having a handle is a big upgrade. But some people like the hotshot more and that's fine. Good to have options.

@@bottlepro3252 Fair enough i guess. Those magslider ones are superb in most situations though, especially while driving, and I find it easier to open than any other stainless steel drinking container that I've used. Easiest to clean as well. But the lack of handle is a very valid point and kind of baffling considering the rugged design philosophy of Yeti.

@@PocketsandOutlaw Yea, I honestly want to try their products with magslider lids more for insulation tests to see how they compare with the threaded bottles. But we always got more questions about the threaded lids because they have so many differences so I bought those first hoping they could be better for videos. Hopefully one day this channel will make enough money to buy more of the yeti products try them all out, but yeti, hydro flask, and other high priced brands like them don't make that an easy goal $$$

Welcome to the wild world of water bottles in 2024, haha

That's fair, that gasket can be easy to turn around on accident. But I still like that Hydro Flask's has a handle, and it's also easier to open because you can grab it from the outside. YETIs Hotshot has that rim around the top that causes you to cram your fingers in to twist it, so you can't get as easy of leverage. It's not a huge difference for many people, but it's a quality-of-life thing for me and anyone with limited finger strength or gripping issues could have more issues with the Hotshot, both for opening it to take a sip but especially for unlocking it for cleaning. So even though it takes more steps, I personally find Hydro's design easier. That's why it's good to have options though...different people prefer different things! I also like that the red gasket you mentioned with Hydro Flask's lid is visible through the mouth opening when the lid is closed but not when it's opened so you can visibly see if it's opened or not.

Mesa. It's a good one!