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This is a good test. I'm definitely going to try lofting up a bit also

Amazing analysis I have the rogue st max and Wondered about the lack of spin on my shots and stopping factor as I seem to roll off more times than not or just get little spin

I have the T100S Irons. They are incredible!!!!

Looks like the optifit hosel is not worth the extra money for the amateur unless your swing is very very very consitent.

I understand changing loft makes a difference, but when you change the loft on these modern drivers you're also changing face angle and lie angle, so my question is which is more important, face angle or lie angle to keep it straight or a little draw. Like watching keep up the good work.

This is a very informative video. Thank you so much for the free advice. I have no idea how fast I swing by there, but I have been measured at 95-98 with my driver on the TrackMan. What swing speed do you think that translates to 7 for a iron with 34 degrees of loft, assuming I swing consistently?

The difference in height with the fast 3 iron and the slow 3 iron is not just swing speed!!! Look at the attack angle! That makes a massive difference

4:10, what is the low spin driver you talk about? I have the Callaway paradym 9, but my spin is 2800-3200 carrying 270-280 with range balls (bushnell launch pro numbers). Newish to golf, but played tennis my whole life. The launch angle idea is second nature to me.

Sorry mate , you are not as reliable as a machine

Great video with much needed information, thanks.

We miss you Thomas. 2nd swing channel isn’t the same. You make great content - please come back!

So why do I hit my xr Steelhead irons longer than the new Paradyms??

Nice.

I swing my 7 roughly 100mph. I wish I knew all this prior to buying clubs a couple years ago as I was told to get game improvement irons based on my handicap with nothing mentioned about my speed. I’ve been thru 3 sets of clubs in the last year and have now settled on the p7mc’s. Still averaging 190 carry with 135 ball speed. But more spin and higher decent angle has made it much better for me.

I swing my 7 roughly 100mph. I wish I knew all this prior to buying clubs a couple years ago as I was told to get game improvement irons based on my handicap with nothing mentioned about my speed. I’ve been thru 3 sets of clubs in the last year and have now settled on the p7mc’s. Still averaging 190 carry with 135 ball speed. But more spin and higher decent angle has made it much better for me.

Technically great, thank you, but could be made easier to view by following the 180° rule

What putting green is this?

I asked this question on Reddit today. And here we are!

Seems to me the traditional lofts are optimal for all 3 swing speeds.

Does Ian de-loft a lot at impact? Seen 7 woods go at least 50 feet higher at his speed.

Simple answer to your question.. with the iron you're coming down on the ball.. with the 7 wood you're coming from behind. This will certainly affect the spin and height.

It used to go 150 yards but now, at 64, 10 years later and 75 lbs later it is only going 135 yards. I must get back in shape and in turn I need to get my speed back up from 71 mph to 78 or so.

It used to go 150-155 yards but now, at 64, 10 years later and 75 lbs heavier, it is only going 130-135 yards. 😢. I must get back in shape and in turn I need to get my speed back up from 71-72 mph to 78-80 or so. If not, I just can’t play very good golf. ⛳️

Dude, your swing speed of 100+ doesn't help us mere mortals at all !!!! Most of us can reach 90 something and our wonderful Seniors 80 our less !!

If your hitting 20 yards further then you could hit a 9 iron and get same distance as the blad 7 iron.😮

Hj Thomas. Good to see you on utbe again. I am facing the same problem but with being a fair bit than u I have lost some swing speed and flexabilty. Would having the bent 2% flatter help or would i better getting some of more modern irons that have more lit. Cheers Brian. From one kiwi to another. Great presentation.😊

Enjoyed your knowledge on the different types of loft on the driver…thank you.

Best all around data I’ve seen on reviews for this new line up yet, well done!

Do the test again at 105 Driver speed and under, the ERC will beat them all and it's more accurate. Seen this same test with the robot at different speeds.

no one going to mention the shaft length on the T150 being an inch longer? meaning faster club head speed?

How far does a 34 degree loft go. Old 7 iron vs 24 degree new 7 iron old 4iron.

Wow. 28 degrees on a 7 iron? When I started repairing/building clubs, that was a 5 iron. The length is a little less than the 5's of that era, 37.25 vs 37.5. And a 5 iron with 21 degrees? When I started playing in the early 70's, that was a 2 iron! That 4 iron is almost as low a loft as Jack Nicklaus' 1 iron, or Tiger Woods' 2 iron. This is the old design conveyor belt in action. Drop the low numbers off one end, and add wedges at the other. Change the number on the bottom of the club, basically. Except here, they didn't add an extra wedge, they spread the loft gaps out to 6 degrees instead of 4, or 5 in more modern designs. That's going to make distance gaps wider, and will lead to less precise shooting around the greens. That's the exact opposite of what you want with a wedge in your hand. As for the other end of the set, well the 4 and 5 iron are simply too long and too low in loft for an average mid to high handicapper to hit well. They don't get enough back spin to offset sidespin, and with the longer clubs their usual over the top swing pattern will cause less square face contact, so sidespin will be more of a problem. They also probably won't have the swing speed to get these clubs up in the air to carry for good distance, or stop on the green. These are sold as game improvement clubs, but they are really just the opposite. All they do is flatter golfers with artificial promises of extra distance, IMO.

If you have 150 yards to the green and you need a 7 iron blade to reach it but with a strong lofted Iron you only need a 9 Iron the debate about launch angle is kind of moot.

Fantastic video! Why did you stop doing videos. Didn't realise you left 2nd swing. Wondered where you went

Excellent information but a little over my head lol please keep up the great reviews my friend :)

My 7-iron distance is 165 yards which I think is pretty normal and play P770 irons. I initially got the 790’s and my 7 was going 180. I couldn’t get use to it. I’ve played with a 34 degree 7 iron for as long as I can remember and at 33 degrees, it was something I’ve gotten use to.

Swing Lab, maybe tell folks Loft is your friend when your swing speed is sub 100mph. Spin equals control. Do a comparison video with an older golfer sub 100mpg swing speed

I’d like to see the results for irons on approach. That’s where I always saw the difference in the super soft. Usually collecting it from the back of the green, or back fringe.

GREAT REVIEW...

I play the extra same driver and have a swing speed of 108 I’m definitely knocking it up to 10 degrees and setting it to draw bias after watching this great video Thanks

I also would love to see a video on swing speed. I'm 52 years old and can't get a swing speed past 90mph...would love to get to 95mph so a video on how to help would be great!!!!

good topic but cant see any details of your data

ian has giant hands

Thanks Thomas but what about us mere mortals?

I’ve always changed my loft depending on conditions. Like on super windy days i like a little help keeping that ball flight lower. Also in the dead of summer I like a lower ball flight because it gets hella roll out. I might chose to have a lot higher loft the there are doglegs where you can cut corners over tall trees or drivable par 4s it has a little more help staying on that green if by the grace of god I hit it. Is this bad practice? 😂 I can already hear people saying I should be able to manipulate ball flight without adjusting the club. What ever help I can get, I’ll take

Try hitting the super soft the same speed. Get real 3 MPH difference

I actually have 4 clubs with a 21 degree loft. I have a 7 wood, 4 hybrid, a conventional 3-iron, and a driving iron. Of these, two are in the bag, my 7-wood and my 3-iron. I love the 7 wood for high shots, and long shots to the green. I keep the 3-iron around for situations where I need low shots out from trees. The driving iron hits the ball higher than the 3 iron, and when I hit it well, it goes nearly as far as the 7-wood, but i mishit the ball far, far more often. The hybrid I will never carry. I have never hit even one good shot with it. I think it's because it is so much heavier than my other clubs.

Love the information! Getting into the industry myself. How does Angle of Attack play into this? I'm negative but could launch it a little haha!

I am looking for a good 5 or 7 wood but not sure which brand to go with i am unable to go try them out I am 59 years old 7 handicap ss of 90-94 mph i am looking for distance / forgiveness / and good value what are your thoughts can you give me your top 3 suggestions i would really appreciate it all opinions welcomed thx cheers from Canada

Got my T100S blackouts from your guys this week. Been too cold to hit them yet. But really impressed with the speed of delivery, coupled with the fact I had you customize them as well. Can't wait for spring and my new Vokey wedges. Keep up the great work!