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THE CHALLENGE Part Two | Unexpected Difficulty - Severe Limb Twist in Vintage Paul Bunyan Recurve
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This is part two of a two part video series. In this video Shane finishes up the tenon, discovers a severe twist in the lower limb, and works to make this bow shootable.
THE CHALLENGE | Make a Vintage Paul Bunyan Recurve a Two-Piece Takedown
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Shane has been challenged to make this vintage Paul Bunyan recurve in to a two-piece takedown bow. This video ended up being too long so we split it into two parts.
Devastating Riser Failure on Vintage Bow!
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This vintage Herter's Perfection Sambar recurve developed a crack in the riser, making this bow unshootable. Can it be fixed?
Reducing the Poundage on a Traditional Recurve Bow
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Shane reduces the poundage on this SR Swift recurve by three pounds. He checks and adjusts the tiller as needed.
How to Build a Two-Piece Bow - Part 2
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Part two of a two part video series on building a two-piece takedown bow. In this video Shane shows you how to make a socket and tenon for a longbow or long curve bow.
How to Build a Two-Piece Bow - In-Depth Video
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In this video Shane goes into detail about his process for building his two-piece, socket and tenon, takedown bows. This became a bit lengthy, so we split it into two parts. Part two is coming very soon.
Let's Finish out a Hill Style Longbow
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Follow along as Shane finishes out a Hill Style Longbow. #archery #traditionalbow #bowyer #tradarchery #bowhunt #bowlife #longbow #hillstylelongbow #woodworking #traditionallongbow
PMZ Takedown Longbow Rework
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For more information on these reworked bows go Nik's Facebook page profile.php?id=61557718943597 This is where he will list the bows he has for sale. #archery #traditionalbow #bowyer #tradarchery #longbow #rework #bowhunt
PMZ Archery Takedown Longbow Review by Bowyers
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PMZ Archery Takedown Longbow Review by Bowyers
Bowyer Reviews Amazon Longbow
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Bowyer Reviews Amazon Longbow
Bowyers Review Sanlida Archery 60" Royal X8 Traditional Recurve
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Bowyers Review Sanlida Archery 60" Royal X8 Traditional Recurve
Catastrophic Tip Failure! Can it be fixed?
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Catastrophic Tip Failure! Can it be fixed?
Bear Kodiak 1961 Traditional Recurve - Full Rework - Part 2
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Bear Kodiak 1961 Traditional Recurve - Full Rework - Part 2
Bear Kodiak 1961 Traditional Recurve - Full Rework - Part 1
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Bear Kodiak 1961 Traditional Recurve - Full Rework - Part 1
Beginners Guide to Aiming a Traditional Longbow
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Beginners Guide to Aiming a Traditional Longbow
Vintage Bow Rework
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Vintage Bow Rework
The Ultimate Budget BOWFISHING Build
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The Ultimate Budget BOWFISHING Build
How to Install Riser Mounted Quiver Inserts
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How to Install Riser Mounted Quiver Inserts
HIPSTER Quiver Review | Whisky City Trad Gear
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HIPSTER Quiver Review | Whisky City Trad Gear
Parallel to Taper Arrows + target footage
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Parallel to Taper Arrows target footage
Browning Backpacker + bonus footage
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Browning Backpacker bonus footage
Recurve Restoration
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Recurve Restoration
DIY Bow Stringer
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DIY Bow Stringer
ACP Grips
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ACP Grips
Passing on the Great Plains Tradition
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Passing on the Great Plains Tradition
Bighorn Bow Restoration
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Bighorn Bow Restoration
Push Archery vs. Kifaru Hip Quiver
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Push Archery vs. Kifaru Hip Quiver
Great Plains Bow Shop Tour | Full Version
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Great Plains Bow Shop Tour | Full Version
Great Plains Bow Shop Tour | Short Version
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Great Plains Bow Shop Tour | Short Version

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  • @frankevich
    @frankevich 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Good informative video.

  • @gstewart3302
    @gstewart3302 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I've seen in a few of your rework videos that you only go down to 220 grit paper, or 320 after spray coating. Any reason you don't go past 400 grit or even 3000? I reworked my Sage riser, no tools at all, with 60, 150, 400, and finally 3000, and I love the way it turned out--it's insanely smooth now. I'm considering one of these PMZ's for my daughter, and would do a similar rework on it after testing it out. Thanks!

  • @SeanJorgenson-vy8nw
    @SeanJorgenson-vy8nw 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    SR Swift risers come apart. Had one came apart twice on the footing.1000 dollar bow no satisfaction.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@SeanJorgenson-vy8nw well I'm thinking you should buy a black widow bow then. You could probably get your satisfaction

  • @doncampbell1961
    @doncampbell1961 วันที่ผ่านมา

    please rework this bow to see if you can improve it ... I would love it.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@doncampbell1961 Nik did actually try his hand at it. The biggest issue with that bow is the lamination layup is simply not compatible for the location of the shelf which is 2.5" above center. There really is no fixing that bow to a great performing longbow. It's one of those bows that you're better off not ordering. I see people saying it's great performing, but my question to those people is "have you ever shot a high performing longbow?". I don't see how they could've if they think this longbow is great performing. The performance is really awful on it

  • @steveharmon5301
    @steveharmon5301 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good Job 👍👍

  • @mahskwahmontana7108
    @mahskwahmontana7108 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very awesome thank u much for showing

  • @rayvillarreal1139
    @rayvillarreal1139 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That would’ve been nice guy’s, if you had made us one when we were at the shop a few weeks ago! Lol!

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rayvillarreal1139 come back and we will!

  • @llamawizard
    @llamawizard 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ok boys, what should I get for my first bow? I was looking at this bow, another one of the sanlida bows, and I looked at the 62 inch Oberon longbow, but it’s on back order. I have no idea what my preferences are, as this would be my first bow. I’m 5’10 270 pounds and strong. 41 years old. I’m thinking 55 lb draw weight. Takedown versus solid wood? Recurve versus longbow??? I need help!!!

  • @stevecriswell2838
    @stevecriswell2838 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    it's a 150 dollar Amazon bow,I have to question your draw,if I drew back to my ear it would be 31.5 inches

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stevecriswell2838 pretty crappy longbow honestly

    • @stevecriswell2838
      @stevecriswell2838 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbow I am shooting an older lag black widow its66 56@29,not sure what you make that is comparable,any suggestion? I would not buy a sanlida bow but it gives opportunities to people that don't have a lot of money.i look forward to your reply looking to get ready for 3 d season after hunting season. thanks guys

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stevecriswell2838 I'd be glad to help you find a perfect high performing bow that fits. If you want to choose Great Plains for your next bow it would be an honor to be your bowyer. Just email me your contact info when you want to chat at greatplainstraditionalbows@gmail.com

  • @aaronosheaarchery
    @aaronosheaarchery 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This channel deserves way more subscribers. I love the content.

  • @Dennis06463
    @Dennis06463 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thats not a traditional longbow

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Dennis06463 hey we were wondering if you'd have the time to send us a quick manual on what constitutes a traditional longbow. We've been really confused about it

  • @jimmyhor78
    @jimmyhor78 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the shot sound from that swift 3 piece recurve! Its nice and soft.

  • @worldtraveler8372
    @worldtraveler8372 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank for this educational video

  • @worldtraveler8372
    @worldtraveler8372 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Interesting review. I have been shooting 1 or 2 hours a week for over a year. When I first shot the bow for 2 months, i had issues as it was my first trad bow. I added a custom string and adjusted the brace height out to 8 inches. I have had no handshock and my grouping is now within usually 4 inches of grouping from distance. Beaver puffs work great. I did switch to linkboy arrows and now even there arrows shoot tight after I refined my form.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@worldtraveler8372 it's not a great bow

  • @ronaldwitt6930
    @ronaldwitt6930 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've been looking at the black hunter. Thinking about getting one.

  • @cliftongregg6366
    @cliftongregg6366 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can you tell me name of your dremmel cutting tools and where you get them? Thanks

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cliftongregg6366 that's a good question . I get them from all over. Were you looking at a particular bit that I use?

    • @cliftongregg6366
      @cliftongregg6366 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbow The suare bit you used on the takedown handle and I also think I saw you rough in a nock with one which would be a good bit to have also.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cliftongregg6366 so the bit I use for my string grooves is this one Kutzall Original Taper Rotary Burr, 1⁄8" Shaft, Fine -Woodworking Attachment for Dremel, Foredom, DeWalt, Milwaukee. Abrasive Tungsten Carbide, 1⁄8" (3.1mm) Head Dia. X 7⁄8" (22.2mm) Length, T-18-EG a.co/d/flpefYS

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The rectangular bit in this set is what I use for my socket and tenon takedown system. It's a very good set. I've literally done hundreds of socket and tenons with this set. I bought this set in 2020 and I just recently have been thinking about buying another set as they are getting dull, but 4 years is pretty incredible for a bit set Rotary Burr Set Carving Tool Tungsten Carbide Steel Solid Twist Drill Bit Grinding Head for Dremel Rotary Tools Woodworking Engraving Drilling (10pcs) a.co/d/a66yCks

    • @cliftongregg6366
      @cliftongregg6366 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbowthank you

  • @locomotivecommanderpicca4869
    @locomotivecommanderpicca4869 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If You don't mind me asking what kind of bandsaw blade are you using

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@locomotivecommanderpicca4869 for regular use I use a 6 tpi deep hook. For my synthetic glass composites I use a gulleted diamond blade from bandsawbladesdirect. That blade is around $300

  • @garrettramsay16
    @garrettramsay16 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow I watched this whole video before I realized this was Great Plains bow company. I have a Fleetwood Timber ridge longbow that I’m going to send you at the end of this coming hunting season to be reworked.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@garrettramsay16 sounds great! Thanks for watching!

  • @josephreichart7545
    @josephreichart7545 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brother and I started doing tic tac toe ,so much fun ,I never used glove for shooting my ReCurve @ 55#, thousands of shots ,started using Bow after couple years rest,now use glove ,way easier

  • @Celticgolfer69
    @Celticgolfer69 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I fired over 1000 arrow plus thru mine and it’s great bow for price. Taken a few pigs and a doe with mine also. Little less forgiving than my old samick sage but I can still shoot really good groups when think about technique but at 50 lbs it thumps anything shoot at. I upgraded string put fur on ends and in strings and tweaked it so it’s pretty quiet too. All in all good product for the money. I have an $800 bow that doesn’t shoot as well. FYI my old Samik sage has taken too many animals to count at this point including stalking and taking a cow elk

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Celticgolfer69 that's awesome! I'm not a fan of the samick sage, but the bh is a nice little bow

    • @Celticgolfer69
      @Celticgolfer69 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbow that samick was my first recurve and got it for fun but found I shot it well, bought heavier limbs and started taking it to the blind for the challenge years ago. I got comfortable with it so I just kept taking it. Recurves little easier haul around than compound setups. I now have a couple custom bows that are much better (fitted for me) but the Samick sentimental for me since it was first recurve bow harvested game with and it just works. I can be out of practice and still drop arrows on top of each other at 20-30 yards. Then I Bought the BH couple years ago after a utube video because thought it looked good. I like it also. I bought the long bow version later also. They just look good, shoot pretty well for me. Like you talked about in video, I shoot kind of open handed so I like the way grip fits my hand. I enjoy your content and thanks for commenting back.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Celticgolfer69 yep the great thing about traditional bows is really it's what you get uses to and competent with. The samick will always be a special bow to you because you accomplished cool things with it. Happy shooting!

  • @tolt1776
    @tolt1776 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is dumb....VPA or sirius

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tolt1776 oh thank goodness! We've been trying to reach you to get your opinion on this.....we were just so confused about this video, but now we know. Thank you so much.....we aren't worthy

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @greatplainsbow cool you're also a narcissistic gaslighting white liberal lol

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbow must be why you replied so fast on a Sunday morning 😅🤣😂

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tolt1776 yes indeed. We were wondering if it would be too much trouble for you to send us a manual on what are good broadheads and arrows? We'd be more than happy to feature it on TH-cam. We'd make a special video for it.

    • @tolt1776
      @tolt1776 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @greatplainsbow you should just read the ashby reports and make your own mind up. If you are a visual learner Troy Fowler has good content.

  • @tolt1776
    @tolt1776 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you even would consider buying amazon broadheads you arent a real, ethical, moral minded sportsman. You are a TOOL

  • @denskky5284
    @denskky5284 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Greetings. Firstly, I apologize for the Google translation into English) There is a strange story with my BH bow: the bow is 30 pounds, the arrows are 500 spine, when shooting with three fingers under the arrow, the arrows go to the right, despite the greater rigidity for such a poundage. When shooting with a Mediterranean grip, they move to the left. The lower the fingers are located under the arrow, the greater the displacement of the arrows to the right in the target. Several people shot with different techniques and the results were approximately the same. With what it can be connected? Shoulder tiller? Or, perhaps, due to the fact that the bow is still a little off-centre?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@denskky5284 there's a good chance it's a tiller problem, but you should be shooting 600 spine with a 30# bow

    • @denskky5284
      @denskky5284 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbow Yes, immediately after buying the bow I used 600 spine arrows. When aiming at the center of the target, they went too far to the right, about the radius of a standard FITA target for 18 meters. Then I took 500 spine arrows and with them the hits shifted to the left - I managed to hit the center of the target more often. As I already wrote, this problem exists among several shooters who tried to shoot with this bow. So, if the problem is the tiller, what should I do? Increase or decrease the base of the lower arm?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@denskky5284 if you've tried different spines and it still does it than it is most likely that the bow needs to be cut past center

    • @denskky5284
      @denskky5284 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbow so the problem is insufficient centershot? To be honest, I thought so myself, because the arrow on the shelf protrudes too much to the left of the bowstring projection.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@denskky5284 most likely that is the problem

  • @pherbert1
    @pherbert1 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Man, you need to be wearing glasses when drilling and blowing off!

  • @josephreichart7545
    @josephreichart7545 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Reely Loved watching, Thank You Bill And Shane

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@josephreichart7545 thanks for watching!

  • @shawnweddle3332
    @shawnweddle3332 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do you offer this on a customers black hunter bow??

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@shawnweddle3332 sure. You can find those services at greatplainsbow.com under accessories and bow reworks

  • @billytea5850
    @billytea5850 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just seen my bow on the table, 4th from the back, i can't wait thank you 😊

  • @joshlaturner6754
    @joshlaturner6754 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wanted to try a longbow so I got their royal x8 longbow it's a 68" I enjoy it a lot I can just imagine what it's like to shoot a custom one. I'm hoping to be comfortable enough and hunt with it this year if not I still have my Elite lol.

  • @plecoful
    @plecoful 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    as easy as you made that look.. I’d mess it up..😅.

  • @davidfleer5307
    @davidfleer5307 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cool thanks for sharing I’ve been curious how that was done ✌🏻👍🇺🇸

  • @kennylainhart7148
    @kennylainhart7148 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks 👍👍👍

  • @stanlong-rangepensionerman3363
    @stanlong-rangepensionerman3363 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m inspired to give it go

  • @tomvawter4531
    @tomvawter4531 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Beautiful work! Thank you for the tutorial. 👍

  • @russelljones3171
    @russelljones3171 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great job Carrisa !!!! Very informative and enjoyed it

  • @jblanla
    @jblanla 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nock height?

  • @charlesdudley5800
    @charlesdudley5800 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good job, is that a future bowyer i see in the background?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@charlesdudley5800 several! 😁

  • @steveechols8902
    @steveechols8902 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey guys, what's the source of your leather? BTW, love seeing the kids taking care of themselves!

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      We get our leather from Glacier Wear. They have great quality and prices.

    • @todd718
      @todd718 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbowwhat weight, type, etc. is the leather? I have an older Osagian that needs a new grip. Thank you for this video, it was very helpful.

  • @tjhoss6729
    @tjhoss6729 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey Shane this is Tony. Wow, Carissa makes it look easy, Great job Carissa👍......Hay Nice looking kitchen. Did you build the cabinets?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tjhoss6729 thanks! I did

  • @Flux_Flow
    @Flux_Flow 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice job ! I might attempt this on my bow. Thanks for sharing.

  • @johnbottone4996
    @johnbottone4996 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dose Great Plains make "D" shape long bows in 64"?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@johnbottone4996 yes sir

  • @HyperManHunting
    @HyperManHunting 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you seem unhappy ☹that sucks

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@HyperManHunting weird takeaway. She's happy. Not everyone has the same facial expressions

    • @HyperManHunting
      @HyperManHunting 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbow

    • @HyperManHunting
      @HyperManHunting 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@greatplainsbow ok ur right

    • @Mick-uk5uc
      @Mick-uk5uc 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Would you ask a guy the same question? Concentrate on the leatherwork, not her facial expressions champ.

  • @autonomousindividual7780
    @autonomousindividual7780 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What arrows are you using?

  • @autonomousindividual7780
    @autonomousindividual7780 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A man growing up in NJ looks worse nd worse all the time. You realize you've been cheated.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@autonomousindividual7780 tell me more

  • @freddyvargas7678
    @freddyvargas7678 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks 😊

  • @josephreichart7545
    @josephreichart7545 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice My Bow needs a grip now !!!

  • @exzendar2523
    @exzendar2523 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the GreatPlains bow grips❤❤❤

  • @byronelkins6706
    @byronelkins6706 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That is hilarious man

  • @autonomousindividual7780
    @autonomousindividual7780 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like both these guys. They need to work and stay together though. The bearded fella says less and looks more closely.

  • @donaldbuckner2935
    @donaldbuckner2935 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I bought a 45# one from Amazon and have grown to really like the bow. And I have several very expensive custom bows! My bow measured 42# at 28" on my scale. No biggie, still love it. Ordered a reworked 44# bow from Nick. Beautiful workmanship and really upgraded the bow. Chose a red and black one instead of a brown one like I already had. I just shot it through a chronograph for kicks.I draw 27" so the bow is 42# at my draw. 174 fps with a 9.2gr pp arrow, and 145 with a 14.25 gr pp arrow. I like the heavy arrow. Deadly quiet and I'm a 4-14 yd hunter. Thanks Nick for an awesome service!

  • @donaldbuckner2935
    @donaldbuckner2935 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just got my reworked bow from you and it is a fantastic upgrade from the stock bow. I really like this bow. I have about 15 longbows and recurves and this one is one of my favorites. Smooth draw, fast, stable and very quiet. My stock bow was supposed to be 45# and it is 42#. I still love it. The one I got from you is 44#. I only draw. 27" so both are a couple of pounds less at my draw. They shoot amazingly quick with heavy 570 gr arrows. (GT Warriors 500 27 3/4 in. 100gr insert, 250 grain tip).