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OpenROV #272
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Boat repair and modification. ROV repair and modification. And, presumably, some actual boating and ROVing! :D
How to Install an Electric Sailboat Motor - Catalina 30 - Thunderstruck Motors Sailboat Kit
I have installed an electric inboard in my Catalina 30 sailboat. This is a handy installation guide to help you with your own install, or to help satisfy your interest in how it might be done.
0:00 - Start animation
0:14 - Introduction
1:30 - Choose equipment
1:54 - Motor Kit
3:39 - Other non-Thunderstruck kit options
4:52 - Batteries
6:38 - Brace propshaft
8:02 - Remove coupler
8:54 - Remove engine
9:40 - Install motor mount
11:39 - Align shafts
13:48 - Battery install
14:20 - Motor and electronics install
15:52 - Pulley-hub install
17:01 - Test voyage
17:38 - Range. Or how far can I go?
19:18 - How much did it COST?!
None of the links below are sponsors. I don't have any sponsors.
Here is the kit I used in the install:
www.thunderstruck-ev.com/sevcon-brushless-sailboat-kit-10.5kw.html
Link to the CAN-bus translator:
www.thunderstruck-ev.com/can-translator.html
Link to gear reduction/motor mount:
www.thunderstruck-ev.com/gear-reduction-for-electric-inboard-sailboat-motor.html
Link to PlugBoats.com list of inboard motors:
plugboats.com/electric-inboard-boat-motors-guide-over-150-motors/
Lynch Motors is electric motor company(not covered in the video.) They are in the UK, but are distributed in several countries:
lynchmotors.co.uk/marine-motors.html
th-cam.com/video/Ey6hY2b6BkU/w-d-xo.html
Link to Grin Motors sailboat kit experiment:
ebikes.ca/product-info/grin-products/all-axle-hub-motor.html#Marine%20Motor
Link to batteries I used, from Signature Solar:
signaturesolar.com/eg4-wp-lithium-battery-48v-100ah
Link to Sailing Ixion video on installing their Thunderstruck electric motor. The same one I installed:
th-cam.com/video/24SolH0_URE/w-d-xo.html
Link to SKIDIM video on how to remove coupler:
th-cam.com/video/_qBaSVx7tcg/w-d-xo.html
Link to my video removing my diesel:
th-cam.com/video/Oqo4Bczid40/w-d-xo.html
Link to Boating Magazine video on how to align shaft coupler:
th-cam.com/video/lTOqpnJZefk/w-d-xo.html
Link to geomicer video of motor mount install:
th-cam.com/video/Ihi7oxM3I-Q/w-d-xo.html
Link to ABYC standards webpage:
abycinc.org/page/standards
Link to Blue Sea guide on wiring choice RE:Amperage:
www.bluesea.com/resources/1437
Link to my spreadsheet with data from first trip. I plan to keep updating it, but so far it is only the one trip on there:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F4wzebWAjTi9NIrt5Q83grkxLKKXXVND-zIz-L8i4cE/edit?usp=sharing
The playlist of my installation. The first three or four videos are of limited value. You have been warned. :D :
th-cam.com/play/PLLeegbeHhqqVZWBbyZZdI7omilt-DP99i.html
0:00 - Start animation
0:14 - Introduction
1:30 - Choose equipment
1:54 - Motor Kit
3:39 - Other non-Thunderstruck kit options
4:52 - Batteries
6:38 - Brace propshaft
8:02 - Remove coupler
8:54 - Remove engine
9:40 - Install motor mount
11:39 - Align shafts
13:48 - Battery install
14:20 - Motor and electronics install
15:52 - Pulley-hub install
17:01 - Test voyage
17:38 - Range. Or how far can I go?
19:18 - How much did it COST?!
None of the links below are sponsors. I don't have any sponsors.
Here is the kit I used in the install:
www.thunderstruck-ev.com/sevcon-brushless-sailboat-kit-10.5kw.html
Link to the CAN-bus translator:
www.thunderstruck-ev.com/can-translator.html
Link to gear reduction/motor mount:
www.thunderstruck-ev.com/gear-reduction-for-electric-inboard-sailboat-motor.html
Link to PlugBoats.com list of inboard motors:
plugboats.com/electric-inboard-boat-motors-guide-over-150-motors/
Lynch Motors is electric motor company(not covered in the video.) They are in the UK, but are distributed in several countries:
lynchmotors.co.uk/marine-motors.html
th-cam.com/video/Ey6hY2b6BkU/w-d-xo.html
Link to Grin Motors sailboat kit experiment:
ebikes.ca/product-info/grin-products/all-axle-hub-motor.html#Marine%20Motor
Link to batteries I used, from Signature Solar:
signaturesolar.com/eg4-wp-lithium-battery-48v-100ah
Link to Sailing Ixion video on installing their Thunderstruck electric motor. The same one I installed:
th-cam.com/video/24SolH0_URE/w-d-xo.html
Link to SKIDIM video on how to remove coupler:
th-cam.com/video/_qBaSVx7tcg/w-d-xo.html
Link to my video removing my diesel:
th-cam.com/video/Oqo4Bczid40/w-d-xo.html
Link to Boating Magazine video on how to align shaft coupler:
th-cam.com/video/lTOqpnJZefk/w-d-xo.html
Link to geomicer video of motor mount install:
th-cam.com/video/Ihi7oxM3I-Q/w-d-xo.html
Link to ABYC standards webpage:
abycinc.org/page/standards
Link to Blue Sea guide on wiring choice RE:Amperage:
www.bluesea.com/resources/1437
Link to my spreadsheet with data from first trip. I plan to keep updating it, but so far it is only the one trip on there:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F4wzebWAjTi9NIrt5Q83grkxLKKXXVND-zIz-L8i4cE/edit?usp=sharing
The playlist of my installation. The first three or four videos are of limited value. You have been warned. :D :
th-cam.com/play/PLLeegbeHhqqVZWBbyZZdI7omilt-DP99i.html
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Catalina 30 - Electric motor installation - Step 9 - Motor Test Voyage
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I have installed an electric inboard in my Catalina 30 sailboat. The next step for me is to take it on its proto-shakedown voyage. As promised, a link to the spreadsheet with motor use data: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F4wzebWAjTi9NIrt5Q83grkxLKKXXVND-zIz-L8i4cE/edit?usp=sharing If you have any comments, please leave them below! Examples of acceptable comments: This video is too long! This ...
Catalina 30 - Electric motor installation - Step 8 - Finishing the Installation
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I am installing an electric inboard in my Catalina 30 sailboat. The next step for me is to Finish this already! As promised, a link to where I got Bedit Tape. Though the site didn't have any when I posted this. shop.sailboatowners.com/prod.php?55717/Rod Collins and apos; Bed-It Tape Very helpful instructions: marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ If you have any comments, please leave them below! Exampl...
Catalina 30 - Electric motor installation - Step 7 - Installing the Actual Motor
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I am installing an electric inboard in my Catalina 30 sailboat. The next step for me is to install the motor. If you have any comments, please leave them below! Examples of acceptable comments: This video is too long! This video is too short. Why you move so fast? Why you move sooooooo sloooooow! Why don't you talk more? Please stop talking so much! You're giving me a headache. * (*or other pai...
Catalina 30 - Electric motor installation - Step 6 - Battery Box and Electronics Mount
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I am installing an electric inboard in my Catalina 30 sailboat. The next step for me is to build and install a battery box and electronics bracket. If you have any comments, please leave them below! Examples of acceptable comments: This video is too long! This video is too short. Why you move so fast? Why you move sooooooo sloooooow! Why don't you talk more? Please stop talking so much! You're ...
Catalina 30 - Electric motor installation - Step 5 - Install Motor Mount
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I am installing an electric inboard in my Catalina 30 sailboat. The next step for me is to install the motor mount (which is also does gear reduction.) Split over the 8 days I spent time working on it.
Catalina 30 - Electric motor installation - Step 4 - Remove engine - 5411 Universal
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I am installing an electric inboard in my Catalina 30 sailboat. The next step for me is to remove the old 5411 universal diesel engine. So I asked a couple friends, Dave and Glen, to help out.
OpenROV272 Nanoose bay area, March 18 2019 Max depth just over 70 meters.
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Two locations with a boat ride between them. Very exciting! 19:06 Flat fish and sea star friend with short leg 1:11:35 Sea Slug
OpenROV #272 March 13 2019 near Gerald Island, Nanoose bay, BC
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Just a short video from my last trip out. We saw birds and sea lions and fishermen swarming the herring the day before and I hopped to get some video of it. But they must have moved on because I found none. Oh well. I found some sea urchins though, so I guess they will have to do.
OpenROV272 February 7 2019 - Seal Point near Gerald island
มุมมอง 355 ปีที่แล้ว
Testing out my new bow mounted trolling motor for its anchor mode. Works great! And now I can return to places over and over to track changes. Also, I can dive in deep water without moving due to wind or current. Hooray!
OpenROV272 Sept 1 2018 Short dive near Ballenas Islands
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A short dive before I lost connection.
OpenROV272 With guest Glenn. Aug 29 2018 near Blue Back park, Nanoose bay, BC
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Checking out the wall near Blue Back park.
OpenROV Trident Gerald Island part2 Aug 5 2018 Glass sponges?
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Kayaked over to Gerald island at dawn (really) to see what could be seen. Bonus plus extra good. I think I found many many small glass sponges. Not like the reefs elsewhere, they were all small and there was no sign of an existing reef. But still, pretty cool! There were also Sea Anemones, Sunstars, Rock Fish, and more!
OpenROV272 Trident Gerald Island part1 Aug 5 2018
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Kayaked over to Gerald island at dawn (really) to see what could be seen.
OpenROV272 Trident. Ladysmith Aug 4 2018
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Short dive from the beach in Ladysmith, BC
OpenROV272 Trident July 23 2018 - Schooner Cove, Nanoose Bay, BC
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OpenROV272 Trident July 23 2018 - Schooner Cove, Nanoose Bay, BC
OpenROV #272 Molly Rose Day 1 - July 15 2015
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OpenROV #272 Molly Rose Day 1 - July 15 2015
OpenROV #272 False Creek July 8 2015 - 2
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OpenROV #272 False Creek July 8 2015 - 2
OpenROV #272 WSWPI Glass Sponge Reef May 29 2015
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OpenROV #272 WSWPI Glass Sponge Reef May 29 2015
OpenROV #272 Deployment of mooring buoy near Passage Island, BC
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OpenROV #272 Deployment of mooring buoy near Passage Island, BC
OpenROV #272 Lighthouse Point West Vancouver
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OpenROV #272 Lighthouse Point West Vancouver
OpenROV #272 Say Nuth Khaw Yum (Indian Arm) Spiky Fish
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OpenROV #272 Say Nuth Khaw Yum (Indian Arm) Spiky Fish
OpenROV #272 Say Nuth Khaw Yum (Indian Arm) Ascent past cliff
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OpenROV #272 Say Nuth Khaw Yum (Indian Arm) Ascent past cliff
OpenROV #272 Say Nuth Khaw Yum (Indian Arm) 2.5 208 meters depth
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Very nice Video!! Thank you!
How do you change the batteries?
Would it be possible to install the electric motor on the shaft with a diesel engine still there?
Pretty cool video. I also wanted to do an electric swap but after seeing this bullshit price figure I’ll just pollute the planet for now. Just shows you how they control the market
Great information for my project. I would like to choose between mi diessel engine and an electric having both installed. Thank you very much!
Its interesting that my ebike hobby came from learning how to work on these things. A 1kw motor carries me at 30mph around town more often than cars do now
My god, just great, we live in Lantzville , I have been to your marina many times , also to pick up fresh crab mmmm. How's the setup today , still going good.
Still going great!
Love to have 100 solar boat .
Hello very nice video. How much ($)was the total material used? Thank you
Hi, i'm looking for information about how can i regenerate energy with the motor when i'm sailing, i kind of a recovery energy break system, anyone has some information about regenerative breaks?
Where did you install the batteries?
It would be more efficient to go direct drive without a belt, and if you needed to change the "gear ratio" resize/repitch your prop
Not really, props are really expensive and belts are cheap. It's easier to calculate and buy the pulley you need than to find a fitting prop. Also, replacing the motor is easier with the belt drive, you just unscrew two bolts and that's it
Good on you, for increased performance try swapping the pulleys, increasing the propeller rpm, the motor can handle it, it's up to you with the throttle as to what the motor can handle
Hi OpenROV #272 - Quick message to thank you for your informative video as it helped me in starting my own build. I am designing/building a similar setup as yours but instead using two brush-less/water-cooled 48V 10Kw Golden Motors in parallel (driving one propeller shaft). If you are interested in following the build then I have posted my first video showing the motor housing:) Thanks again and keep the boat adventures coming!!:)
Awesome!
All hail the lords of corrupt inflation. Thank you for the honor of allowing my dreams to be crushed. ...good info!
I was thinking of downgrading to a battery motor but then I looked at it and decided "hell no", I am not an idiot. The silliest downgrade you can do is get a battery powered motor that goes about 15 miles before dying vs my diesel that goes 1,000 miles, costs less, refills instantly, and is super reliable. There is no real decision to be made guys. Don't fall for stupid politics - batteries are dirty and full of chemicals, expensive, pollute the world for 100,000 years after you dump the junk, and cost more. Nough said. Only fools get them.
That's an opinion. We are all entitled to our own.
@@Lana_Warwick ...I know I was harsh in my statement, but it is true. Lithium is a terrible mess of chemicals and harmful elements that pollute for 100,000 years after you toss it. Please, use natural energy from the Sun in the form of beautiful naturally produced oil. The Earth has blessed us by making and preserving the Sun's energy. There is nothing stronger, longer lasting, and more natural that Earth's own naturally produced oil. These man made Earth shattering chemical monstrosities are terrible. PS we now know that the Earth is essentially, a massive oil producing "factory" and that we will never run out of in the same way that we will never run out of trees. Nature replenishes itself.
@@Lana_Warwick true but some opinions are more informed! After some serious researching for well over 2 years now, and without a 'green' vs dyno juice agenda - my only criteria being minimizing the already awful 'investment' anything boating is, I've come to the conclusion electric only makes sense, barring some major battery tech breakthrough, in very few use cases. It's only ever 'green' if like with EVs you ignore how it's built, charged, and scrapped come scrap yard time... and let not talk about resale value in the interim. Comparing a mistreated, poorly maintained 30+ year noisy, leaky diesel to a clean, quiet, and reliable electric install is a common fallacy, you never see it compared to a clean, efficient and much quieter new diesel install... When my 42+ year old white glove maintained diesel finally quits I'll likely drop in another new diesel and take good care of it. Yes I'll hate putting up with the noise vs electric but in exchange I'll have range and higher resale value...
I'm a bit puzzled. Your spreadsheet says that you have two batteries of 48V at 200Ah each which gives you 9,6kWh each or 19.2kWh total. In your video you said that you only had a 10kWh battery bank. I'm not familiar with those batteries and they are not available here but the LiFePO4 batteries we get here are not 48VDC but 53 to 56VDC which changes the calculation somewhat giving 53VDC x 200Ah = 10.6kWh or 56VDC x 200Ah = 11.2kWh per battery. I am assuming that the batteries are the rated voltages I mentioned and not 24VDC base meaning you had them in series to get the "48VDC" you mentioned. It is quite a nice detailed build video, well explained.
Each of the 2 batteries in my boat are (I think) 51.2 KWh. They are actually 51.2v, 100 Ah each. (But that range is called "48v", which is confusing. :D) So I have a total of 10.4 KWh. Sorry if that was confusing in the video, or on the spreadsheet!
You are so concise. I love it
Thanks for your reply and great information awesome video
Could you please give me the approximate weight difference going from diesel to electric including fuel
My diesel, universal 5411, wieghted 245 lbs. A full fuel tank weighed about 160lbs. (The universal 5411 is very small for a marine diesel, many catalina 30's had larger, 365 lb, 16 hp version, or a atomic 4 at 437 lbs). In my boat, the electric motor, including mount, was (IIRC) about 50-60lbs. The batteries are 80lbs each, and I have 2. So the total weights are: Diesel - 405 lbs. Electric - 220 lbs.
@@openrov272 nice video, thanks for putting it together... Question, did you find losing that weight/ballast ratio affected your sailboat (in a +'ve or -'ve way)? I guess where your fuel tank was located could also factor into the equation, someone I know added 25lb lead shot bags to the bilge right over the keel which worked good...
I'm trying to buy an Elco electric inboard for my Catalina 27 but I'm running into phone apps. I don't even know if they make a control pannel for their engine. I would think an engine would come with standard gages that tell you RPMs, amps etc. Why on earth would I want to have to drag out a phone to look at this stuff? Not to mention the privacy concerns. This is just amazing to see a company pull something like this. Anyone know of an inboard motor company with actual equipment and no phone apps?
And also a way to require subscriptions and ongoing fees.
Just install a 100$ tablet and there you have your gauges
Nice job man ! Next step, tesla swap ?
Better ,go on diesel,nearly same cost uh 😳
Pros & Cons to both. I'd rather not have the toxic smell & soot, with bonus of Much less running cost & maint. A sailor rarely needs engine or motor, mainly just around tight marinas
I like my air cooled Chinese 168 F diesel. It's much cheaper and lighter than electric and it charges a battery well. The dry heat is welcome.
I like my air cooled Chinese 168 F diesel. It's much lighter and cheaper than electric and it charges batteries on very little diesel. Hot dry air is welcome in almost any humid weather.
Confused? "lighter and cheaper than electric" then "charges batteries"? Any vids to show what you mean?
@@Lana_Warwick Good question. Read slower and fair seas to you.
Nice job, thank, but one must wonder, given the very reasonable price of used boats, whether it would be more effective to find another boat in good shape and upgrade. I’m thinking that if I were to replace the engine, an outboard or Torquedo would be my preference and so avoid the issues associated with the prop, shaft, bearing, etc.
this is a very useful video, but its really quiet, im at 100% at windows and 150% in sound booster in browser and its still barely hearable
Thanks for the feedback. It is too quiet. I will do it better in the future. :D
@@openrov272 hope you will manage to make an update before next spring, im getting myself a boat as well
Well done video - Thank you!
hey, very nice job. it's interesting to know the global budget about this conversion (motor, controller, charger, battery pack) i'm from belgium, and found a representative contact of Thunderstruck in Netherlands.. my boat: a Kelt Sailoat, 30 feet, actually powered by a Yanmar 2GM :) or the same project, this last summer, at LaRochelle BoatShow, a firm in France propose me 15.000€ (motor, controller, charger, batteryPack),.. interesting to compare enjoy the Sea ;)
This is an excellent video. Like you I also looked everywhere for something like this, and wasn’t able to find one. Thanks for making it.
Thanks!
why didnt you add more battery capacity to the boat? cant you add abt 50kwh?
Mostly it's the $12000 (plus shipping, taxes, cables and other install costs). :D I would be okay with the extra weight (it would put me about 450 lbs over the weight of the diesel + tank etc).
I shared in my group
still no sailing videos? still got i?
Still got it. Still love it. :D I haven't had a chance to do anything worth posting, and the data (in terms of range) hasn't changed. I expect to be able to improve things (with wind data) this spring/summer. Last year was super busy for me and I failed to organize anything beyond day sailing. :D
Thought you did a very good job.
Thanks!
I plan on doing the exact same thing as you in the next few years.
Awesome!
Ne subscriber sending greetings from Tucson, Arizona. I contacted ELCO last year looking for information to complete an electric conversation installation. They were NO help and offered NO information.
Do you know how many KV your electric motor has?
If you mean KW, it is a 10 KW motor. The voltage of the motor is ~48V. So that would be ~0.048 KV. :D
@@openrov272 no friend! My question is correct. I did not mean KiloWatts and I wrote it correctly, I wrote KV which means Revolutions multiplier by volts, I watched the video again (minute 3:04) where it says 48volt * 50 RPM that means that your motor is 50KV and It gives a maximum total of 2400 RPM and that in the water is very little. You are using an engine that possibly has a lot of torque, do two things, you can get much more success with high revolutions, you can increase the revolutions with gears or change the engine for For a motor with a higher KV, I recommend above 25 thousand RPM, and you will be able to have better success using the same amount of electricity (amps).
Ah! Okay, so the max RPM of the motor is (I think) about 2800 RPM. Propeller RPM on sail boats is something like 850-1650, depending on the prop. What I have read is that a large, lower RPM prop, is the best for efficiency (while motoring, but worse when sailing, obviously). So I don't think I could do 25k RPM.
I used their 5K kit. Very satisfied with quality and customer service.
I typed up a summary. Comments welcome. docs.google.com/document/d/1UWNwufQltgJFzrVRYG5jhMvtZHi4vHT0cVoOnr0EFM8/edit?usp=sharing
My worry is about how long it will last. I'd be happier with a water-cooled one
I recently installed an electric yacht 20kw in a 37' Irwin, and it was weak. The tides were stiff, and the run from dock to sail area was long. Electric is still a fantasy. Battery densities and motor efficiencies are a ways from max, and alternate power sources should be included. It was quiet and pleasant.
Range can certainly the issue with electric motors. But you should not be having an issue with power. A 20kw motor should be plenty powerful for your boat. If it feels weak, then something is wrong. Do you have gear reduction? If you do, the ratio may not be correctly matched to your prop. If your motor reaches max RPM before you prop does, max power will not be attainable. (I have this issue. I set things up for the prop I plan to get, not the one I have. And I haven't gotten the new one yet.) Alternate power sources are a great idea. Some people have a generator for back up. I have a 15hp outboard (for my dingy) that can easily push my boat at hull speed. I haven't used it yet (apart from testing) but I will.
Yes, maybe something with your setup. There's a vid of a converted all electric commercial lobster trawler hitting the swell called 'An all electric Lobster fishing boat Watch It Work Lorna Jane'. If he can do it.
BULL SH*T STAY WITH A PROVEN METHODS I C E
Well done! I feel there was a point in the video where you reached no return - the electric engine *must* work :)
So glad you mentioned the waterproof eg4's I had not considered those for my build. They're now 200 more each than the server rack versions I was planning, and I'm buying 8, but the waterproof feature makes me think these are the better option.
I think you are right. You have to protect them one way or another, and if the waterproof ones leak, it someone else's fault! (just kidding. sort-of) The insides of boats get wet more often than the insides of houses, so rack mounted batteries, on a boat, really are in danger of shorting out. If rack mounted batteries had been in stock when I needed them, I totally would have bought them. And I would have regretted it. :O
Just to clarify, these are 48v 100amp batteries (with a 200 amp maximum discharge rate). They're on sale now (12/12/23) for $999 reg $1649@@openrov272
Real men use diesel.
From your states it does not sound like it would be good for Island hoping and crossing the ocean. more of a lake option
We need more of these videos showing real life stories of electric powered boat coversions. A growth market for sure. Kudos!!!
Great video amigo!
Thanks!
I believe installing a E motor in a sailboat is a BIG MISTAKE.