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I mean... yeah. They are not the same, but I feel like this is just a fun little theory video so there is no harm in theorizing about how things could fit together (even if they then turn out to not fit together). ^^

Haha, thank you! ^^

Interesting idea! Maybe this is some type of tie in of the machine beings from Girls Night and then the OEC members using their power to destroy the bus? ^^

The aesthetic of the MV (the green hue to everything, the ticking, the font used for the Loop etc.) also reminded me of the Loki series, which is funny cos Loki brakes the timeline as well lol

Thanks a lot! ^^

This more like a real yves appreciation but i thought it was nice to point it out hehe

First of all thank you for the long comment and for sharing your theory here! ^^ !Trigger warning! This theory is really interesting, since "a voice" or "light" sometimes describes negative feelings or stigmas that you fall into. Like some people describe that they have this negative voice inside of them that tells them to do negative things to themselves or others. Like an evil force that disguises itself as a good force, which also is a quite popular theme in horror movies. The evil vampire is just a cute little girl, or the evil demon is possessing a little doll, something like this. On the other hand this voice or light can also be a positive force, some people describe that when they almost died they saw a light pulling them back into their body or hear a voice telling them not to do something or even having premonition that something bad would happen, which a lot of people then say that god gave them these visions to save them. And I do believe that the members all have the ability to sense oddness around them (which we see time and time again with members like Heejin seeing colors bloom around her, the OEC members who see the world in color after opening their odd eye and then saying that we are all odd in our own way etc.), so it makes sense to me to call this feeling this "oddness" a type of voice/light or force that helps out the members. I think everybody knows this feeling of having a premonition or bad feeling about something(?) And I feel like the members have the ability to sense this better then other people, which is why Yves found the fruits, Olivia Hye found her way to middle earth without the help of her members and Yeojin fled the forest to reunite with Haseul and the other members. Somebody or something helped them out and showed them the way. I don't quite know though if this is more so a consciousness of all (in a way a hivemind like with ants, bees and wasps) or if this consciousness is a sole entity like a god or goddess. (But I would like to think of it like the Idea of Evil from Berserk. It is it's own entity, but is formed and morphed in the way the people think of it. That is what makes it either a good force or a bad force. And this then fits the concept of a Moon quite well, which also has some positive and negative aspects and effects on people!) !Trigger warning end! I really like the way you fit all of the post Butterfly Mvs it to your theory about the new Eden! And I do agree with a lot of the things you said! ^^ I also would like to add that the girls wear these black and white outfits in Birth, which normally you think about white being a good color used for wedding dresses and then black for funerals, but back in the days (which includes the middle ages, and the Birth MV looks a little bit like it takes place in the middle ages, not only the castle and the aesthetic, but when you look at old paintings for the time, the drawings you see in the MV do seem to fit the middle ages time period as well!) people dressed black for happy events like a wedding and wore white for their funerals. So I do feel like this could underline the presence of a force outside of the girls that is both good and bad and not necessarily only one of those. It is ambivalent, just like the colors black and white can change their meaning depending on the time period you look at. You know what I mean? ^^

@@florastel Wow this is an amazing interpretation! Loonaverse is really just a story about self-discovery and identity. Usually realm and exterior around Loona members depicts their state of mind and heart, for example Haseul's cold heart shown by cold Iceland surrounding her, Chuu holding an apple which symbolises her heart, Hyunjin's anxiety externalised by the cat mask etc. We are shown the world through their eyes. We see their emotions and struggles as objects or other people. They meet their own alter-egos in their journey to self-discovery. It makes sense that light represents voice in their own heads. Sometimes our intuition leads us on a right path, but when we're in a darker state of mind we harm ourselves with negative intrusive thoughts. Something like the Chuu's monster. Lol and I've just said that I don't believe Chuu has anything to do with Artms Thank you for your insight, you're bringing a fresh new outlook on the Loonaverse. Telling you as an old lorebit who saw every loona theory on TH-cam, twitter, amino, reddit etc. etc. Your theories are completely unique and I can't wait for a new video

Thank you so much! I also love your inside (as an OG Orbit lol), since I feel like the Loona lore in a way is a group effort, we should look at it as a community and share our ideas! ^^

She already has :)

@@sofija642 I meant related to ARTMS, Loosemble, & Yves releases. Sorry for the confusion, ESL here. Chuu's MVs look very different than the rest of Loona. I wondered if there's a connection.

@@srtvs8344 Oh I get it sorry. In my opinion her MVs are not yet connected to ARTMS and Loosemble, but they seem to be direct continuation of Heart Attackh

I will definitely make a video where I connect these comebacks, but I want to wait until Chuu's comeback in June, since I am guessing that this will also fit into the new lore and might give us even more references! ^^

@@florastel Thanks, I will wait

That is a really cool detail! ^^

Well, I will try! ^^

Obrigado! Honestly I feel just like you do, it made me a little sad that the Loona theory bubble just burst, because I watched every video I could get my hands on, haha. (and I can just agree with you that it feels a little difficult to get a good grasp of the lore, hence why I completely started from 0 and analyzed the Mvs as sincere as possible to put together the story Loona wanted to tell us, instead of a version that I might want to see, if this makes sense.) And then after Loossemble put so much work into reawakening the theories with their Sensitive MV and there where maybe 5 theories max, I felt like I might just become the Loona TH-camr that I always wished for (this sounds so cheesy when I spell it out lol). All together these videos take me round about 8 hours to finish, so I kind of understand why there aren't a lot of us left, but this group and their artistry just means a lot to me and seeing people get interested in thinking about their storytelling again is enough payment for me. ^^ PS: I love your profile pic! <3

Well me neither, haha! But thanks a lot. ^^

Also reminds me of metropolis (and many movies between the 1920s-50s) use of German expressionism!!!! Which loona music videos tend to use!!!! Like you mentioned with the use of surrealism in heart attack!!! :) I think the short story works of Ray Bradbury as well can be applied to this with the themes of technology and AI. And the proposed architecture works of Étienne-Louis Boullée remind me a lot of the settings that take place in loona and Artms/loossemble music videos

Also!!!! 😭😭. The fact that Birth occurs in “the Middle Ages” could sow the regressive tendencies of a society that doesn’t value individualism and instead conformity compared to loossemble occurring in the future/present where they are looking towards the future / living in the present in their own existence as their own people (individuality?)

Glad you like it! I love pop culture references as well, so I just had to mention them lol ^^

Well a lot of works around the 1900 criticized the use of machines to replace humans (since after the industrialization a lot of people lost their jobs and livelihoods to machines). I will definitely look into the references that you mentioned and thanks for the long & detailed comment! ^^

Wow, I really like this idea! The loss of once individuality is such an interesting theme & to look at the future to see a society that has outgrown social classes (like you can see in Star Trek) and in contrast to this the middle ages where you see a system in which “the poor class” is just seen as a blob of workers instead of living, breathing, thinking individuals, would be a great way to tie this all together!🤔

Same, I can't wait to watch it! TT

I'm glad you like it! ^^

I put all my skill points on intelligence lol ^^

Me too! ^^

I use Hyeju as her real name and use the name Olivia Hye for the character she plays in the lore videos. Kind of like it is just the name of a character, but since then I have changed this approach and only call her by her new name. Thank you for letting me know though! ^^

Thanks! <3

Thank you! I couldn't be more excited as well. <3

Thanks! (love your profile pic btw) <3

How long have you watched Junji Ito :D, just curious!!!

Well if you're asking me, then probably since ~2014. I was really into anime at the time and watched the Gyu anime. That was scary on another level to me, and so I had to read more of this maniac/genius, haha. At the time it was really difficult to even read these stories tbh, but one of my first and favorite stories is “Scarecrows”, then around 2020 I started collecting the physical books. ^^

@@florastel well, I was going to ask both you and the one with the pinned mouth boy 😁. I recently saw this one a lot too, 🥶 so chill

All I can say is that you're really fast :D, even though the highlight medley was out yesterday ':D, but still, your theories are amazing as always but some of them are quite confusing me so I'll check them out myself, about the AI drawings to the realistic arts, I actually don't mind about the AI arts but if Modhaus had the purpose on using AI for something and turning them into reality like the real arts then I don't see wrong with that, a good theory with that to be honest :)

@@NguyenOanh0112 Well the AI thing is more so about how it can harm people and not so much about how pretty they are to be honest.😅 But I can understand that the video might be difficult to understand because I do mention a lot of different things, so if you have any questions feel free to ask them! ^^

also, the virtual angel can totally be vivi, maybe that was her original purpose all along

really great theory! This could also mean that we get a Loossemble crossover and I would love it! ^^

I mean some people had the theory that the teaser for virtual angel shows us Vivi & she is an android so this would fit really well together with the concept! ^^

You can actually download videos without having to watch them. This video also doesn't seem to have any copyright claims, so no money is going to bbc

Well sadly I have to. If I quote a video or a description and I don't quote the official source they could copyright strike me. I really try to not support bbc, which is why I screen record everything for you, so you just have to look at my video and you don't have to look up the MVs, but because I quote them (and don't want to be copyright striked) I have to use the official videos and put my sources in the description. :/ I know that it isn't the best solution, but I have a disclaimer in the description and the links of the new sub-units (ARTMS loossemble etc.) above all the other links. And if I wouldn't use the videos, you would have to look up the MVs to understand what I'm talking about and that would benefit BBC, since they get more views this way.

Yes! Normally when you put the sources in the description you do not get copyright claimed and even if one of my videos got claimed it still wouldn't be that bad, since I do not make any money with this channel whatsoever, BBC can not get any money from copyright claiming my videos! ^^

Thanks! ^^

So I feel like the Loop part is interesting because of the timing as well! In my theory ARTMS & Loossemble are kind of going through loops as well. And the Album having this 90s look makes this even more interesting to me, because this is kind of like THE time for time traveling stories. After "back to the future" there were a lot of stories with time traveling and also with time being a loop like "groundhog day". SO this might be nothing, but it could be something lol ^^

I got confused because they mostly used Kehwa for the song, but you're right! ^^

He's just pulling shit out with of his ass. It's just like JK Rowling stating that Hermione is actually black. You can't contradict your past work. There was no mentions of anything such as Triple S world when LOONA was under Jaden nor it was his original plan cause he'd hint at it. Triple S lore is just repackaged LOONA lore. That's his life project and he since he couldn't use it with LOONA he altered it slightly and gave similar concept to Triple S Also things such as contracts exist and Jaden couldn't just walk away with lore. BBC has access to it so if So What was inspired by Jaden's idea I believe the others were too. They were probably bit watered down version cause BBC didn't feel like using money to produce 50 different testers to make sure story is understandable

I will definitely take a look at the Triple S lore, but tbh I would like for them to be their own group, you know? I would feel bad for them if they have to share lore with a much older already established group, just because they are for the same company. :/ But we will have to wait and see how this turns out! ^^

1. Please stay nice in the comment section! 2. I feel like Triple S are already establishing themselves as their own unique group. Their first releases were really not that lore heavy (a stark contrast to the first Loona Mvs!), their first song already got so popular that nowadays there are more people that know Modhouse for Triple S then for ARTMS and it seems to me like they might be headed in a similar direction (with their story telling), but still not the same as Loona. Just because ITZY has a self love concept this doesn't mean that they are copying BTS for example. If Jaden was really going to connect the two groups, then I would dislike this as well, since this would always stain Triple S as “the Loona sister group” and stuff like that. And also not every Orbit wants to look at Triple S Mvs just to understand the Loonaverse, so all in all that would be a bad decision. And about the going back and changing things part, (besides JK, bc she really did a bad job with her world building and now is trying to retroactively change things, which of course doesn't work like this) a lot of great stories only got to be the way they are through active story writing and rewriting! YYXY was suppose to debut with a dark concept, but because Chuu made such a big impact with her cute concept they supposedly changed the debut song to Love4eva. And this was to some their first Loona song, which made them fall in love with the group, so I feel like sometimes (not all the times of course look at fnaf for that lol) it is not even that bad to rethink a part of the story/lore. 3. BBC probably used a clipboard of the lore and darts to decide where the story is suppose to go lol (I really feel like they didn't want to give us any answers, because then Orbit might stop to watch every MV 100 times to find any little detail on what is going on in the lore :/)

@@florastel TripleS releases before GND feel like the answer to "Butterfly" messages to me. "Butterfly" encourages girls from different backgrounds and situations to come together and achieve their dreams. TripleS releases have messages of youths and chasing dreams, but suddenly change in GND. The motive of interconnecting the story of Loona & TripleS is definitely ✨money ✨. Jaden needs the audience to stream every Modhaus releases because he has to payback the investors. So yeah, he probably somehow gets a way to connect universes. Also, I notice Jaden has the influence of 90s-00s anime (Tokyo Ghoul, Neon Genesis, Sailor Moon, etc) in Loona pre-SM aesthetics. We could think Loonaverse as 2000-ish episodes of anime show with filler and crossover in order to keep the audience engaged. The possibility of mixing TripleS lore to Loonaverse exists, but maybe in different ways like Star Wars movies and it's video games.

@@srtvs8344 To let my inner geek out for a sec, I would love for Triple S and Loona to be like Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 and Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. Two stories that connect in a lot of ways but lead to wildly different outcomes! They explore similar themes, but take different approaches and ask themselves different questions of how to achieve the same goals, you know? ^^

I’m CRAZY with Birth 😎, Candy Crush 😌, Flower Rhythm so so, Air a little dull but chill enough for me, beside it has the So What and Butterfly’s references but still 😔. I can’t wait for the FULL track ❤❤❤, do you feel the same????

Sorry! ^^

I can't wait to see what the MV looks like tbh and I have a strong feeling we will get a teaser on the 19th! ^^

Thank you so so much! ^^

Upsi, I must have messed this up in my script! I wrote down YYXY members Yves and Hyeju, but that was only for the So What and not the Butterfly MV... sorry! ^^

That's ok 😄, at least Gowon is a yyxy member so your point still stands. And I think that increase JinSoul and Gowon conection with each other, don't you?. I also belive that JJ will go back to butterfly era, and move on from there. 🤞

LOOOVE the song, and the MV has a lot of things in it that make me excited to see where they are headed in the future. But I am kind of worried that they will not go through with giving them more lore, bc right now there is just not thaat much to go off of. (and maybe JJ is a little worried to get another Loona situation on his hands, but who knows?) Other then that I have liked their music for a long time! ^^

"Butterfly" was the last project he worked on, but there is speculation that they repurposed the concept that was going to be the "#" album (originally dubbed "BURN" by fans) into what became "So What."

@@RukaKikuchioh my god kimchi, 😱 howdy 👋

To clarify I meant that BBC reused some of the lore of the BURN comeback in their So What comeback. So the aspects of burn yourself, rebirth and starting a rebellion (in my opinion) were taken straight from the BURN comeback and just reused. I mean BBC took a year to create this comeback and a whole new lore, so I wouldn't wonder if they just reused as much as possible to safe time and money on the comeback. :/ Sorry for the misunderstanding! ^^

I looove Air, really like Candy Crush, but I am not sooo crazy about Flower Rhythm... which is basically the opposite of most Ourii I heard from lol ^^ (and about Birth, I feel like it is a great song in concept, but I just don't listen to it much since it has such a dark vibe 😅)

​@@florastel Reallyyyy? That's so interesting, I find my opinions straying opposite from yours. Air was so close to being amazing for me. But the air force one sample just sounded so out of place and Dissonant (?) Almost? I swear if they just had the girls re-record the air force one parts instead of sampling it and slowing it down, it would sound SO much better. The pre chorus of air is genuinely ascending. As for Flower Rhythm, I thought it was very underwhelming at first. But then it quickly became an earworm and my most replayed song so far! OH AND CANDY CRUSH- You know what, I'm yapping too much... Maybe I'll make a video once the album's out^^

@@Jayegato I feel like both Flower Rhythm and Air could have been a little better with re-recorded lines (you really have to get used to the sound haha) But I love the fact that they made 4 songs that sound nothing alike, there is really something for everyone in this Album lol ^^ Well I was thinking about updating my tier list once DALL is out as well, so I would be exited to hear your opinions as well! <3

@@florastel Very true! Def excited to see your updated tier list!

lol