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Rank 1 Havoc DH S3 M+, 2700+ Arena Uploading timed M+ keys + quick guides/commentary to help players of all specs/classes improve. Please feel free to ask questions in comment section!
16 Years in Azeroth: My Favorite and Rarest Transmogs
Wow I feel so nostalgic looking back at all of this. Thanks for the great memories Blizzard I do truley love this game haha.
Happy Holidays!
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:30 Dreadflame/Sinful Flame
02:00 LVL 19 Rogue Twink Throwback
02:50 Dreadflame, Brutality Blades
03:40 Thunderfury
04:15 Red/Blue Weps with streaks Swift razashi raptor/Baron Rivendare
07:30 Lightsabers/teebus blazing longsword
08:00 Hunter/Thoridals
Happy Holidays!
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:30 Dreadflame/Sinful Flame
02:00 LVL 19 Rogue Twink Throwback
02:50 Dreadflame, Brutality Blades
03:40 Thunderfury
04:15 Red/Blue Weps with streaks Swift razashi raptor/Baron Rivendare
07:30 Lightsabers/teebus blazing longsword
08:00 Hunter/Thoridals
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Fck Demon Surge, I take Glaive Tempest and Fel Barrage (I don't get invited in M+ even tho I have KS/AOTC every Season since BFA S3)
Here is the talent string. All you have to do is open up talents ingame. Bottom left of the talent tree will have an import button. Copy and paste the below string. If it doesnt work you have spaces at one end or the other. CEkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZmZmZGMzMjxMZmZGAAAAAAwsMMmhZGMzsNbjxMYmNssBLziZMMbamxYmZMstB
I haven't watched all the video and this could have just been a mistake on the first pull, but you Eyebeamed and pressed Meta after without pressing Annihilate, so you missed a demonsurge.
@marcowitzner4055 oof that's just bad play on this one. I probably got too far ahead of myself. That tank had aggro we wanted to smack surges there. I was thinking I had to buff the eyebeams way more but I am not running blind fury which really made me mess up my intro + I didn't expect that guy to do that pull xD. I got insta targeted and mind was like do I have to shadowmeld these. Tldr if your not getting aggrosuse ur surge. Thanks for pointing it out! Will do better next run
i did not know any of these but these were really helpful especially the hunt one thanks !
So glad it helped!
hi bro can i get you weak auras?
@@Superdamii hey! I have a video half made coming out next week covering my auras. Do you have a specific one u need now? The reason I have to make a video is I mix and matched a ton of different things to create this
@ I want the aura you got in the middle of your screen , I thinks is for your rotation ?
grats on the neck!
So huge! i got rid of so much haste with that!! If i had the mythic version then for sure id wear that extra haste but def never using the champion track over BIS stats!! Did you get anything this week??
Oof is Havoc that bad? That's like the damage of a 615 SV hunter :/
Exactly
@shadowbanned3044 nope just me learning a new spec using cds incorrectly!
Bro what is that plater profile can you send me that!? Looks amazing.
Hey this plater is Naowhui that specific part is locked behind a sub for his channel. Its an incredible plater and elvui and would reccomend. Quazzi plater is 2nd best in the game and his is free!
What do you think about using SoF whenever it is up? I feel like if i hold it to Eye Beam im always down on fury even with Immo and VR. Also, this Fel Barrage build is pretty nice, feels fresh, been trying it on +10/11 and enjoying so far.
@guihelene1 right now SOF is the hardest part because you technically want to use it and the second the 7 seconds finishes we want to be in meta to use it again so all ragefires proc with inertia and the SOF buff. In a 100 parce scenario it will always be dropped first. Best way to think of it will be having all that mastery scaling ontop of inertia essencebreak is worth the wait. It has alot of flex play but I will be trying to sigil before eyebeam everytime when running blind fury. The eyebeam does so much damage now. Better answer to come. I'll be streaming this weekend testing glaivetempest over fel barrage
@@Csbwhen Thanks for the answer. I'll try to hold more sof to combo it with eye beam. Keep up the good work!
@guihelene1 i love the gengar btw was one of my first max level pokemon ever back in the day
yeah...dont use Fel Barrage. just dont. its only pad dmg and wont help timing the key. you already got a boomkin for that.
@sinnis4993 so happy someone wrote this! I was waiting for the know it all. Yeah buddy I havnt played fel barrage in 4 years they finally made it a usable button. If ur doing 17s on havoc then by all means swap the talent to ur preferred choice. I will enjoy the game and show people new builds like I will highlight the essence break glaive tempest build next. Go back to ur raid and play a single target chaos strike spec and leave the fun shit to me ok thxs
@@Csbwhen it never was a usable button, unless you count that 1 week during df s3...or tindral. the talent sucks. sure, play whatever you want. fun is subjective. but dont expect people to welcome your bad decisions. thats the real world. i dont even play havoc anymore but nice try.
@sinnis4993 i figured based on ur terrible response that u didn't play havoc. But i decide what's good and you don't sit back in ur high chair and let the big boys figure out how u should play and then u go be a cookie cutter like the rest
@@Csbwhen i mean...you wouldnt even have the s3 title according to EU cutoff range. so please stop being so arrogant, lol. 3,6k score as a havoc during s3 dragonflight. i stopped pushing after 7 weeks and was close to EU title range. so dont tell me i dont understand havoc.
@sinnis4993 lmao I was 3600 for months 🤣 😂 good try kid next
I improved so much just by watching your videos 😁
@JVjoga dude so glad to hear that. I do my best to check comments so any specific questions I'll always try to get to them!
nice elvui profile
Bro why your damage text is thick and look super awesome and its nice gameplay ❤
Here is the talent import string. To use just copy and past below into the import in the Ingame Talent page CEkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZmZmZGMzMjxMZmZGAAAAAAwsMMmhZGYmtZbMzMYGYZDWmFzYY20MjZmZGDbb
One small tip - Remove Skardyn from your Meta Macro or just make a separate Macro for pre-key Meta. Your Skardyn is wasted on the pre-key Meta since Trinket CD's are not refreshed once the key starts.
Alright, boys! I've been running more keys since this one and worked out the kinks. If you save Sigil of Flame before Eye Beam while running Student of Suffering, you’ll absolutely pump. I’m still adjusting to the forced playstyle, but it’s definitely worth it. I’ll be streaming this weekend to fine-tune the build. Once I’m happy with my performance, I’ll drop a full guide breaking everything down step by step. Stay tuned!
What weps are you using?
I'm currently running one crafted weapon with Crit/Mastery and the weapon from Princess. This setup has been working great so far
@@Csbwhen the transmog for the weps i meant
@@JimLentz-j5y I'm running Brutality Blades and the enchant is Dreadflame, which you cant get anymore due to it being locked behind 2100 arena in BFA. Theres a super similar one called mark of shadowmoon I see people really like if you wanted a similar color. I think it changes between purple and red?
@@Csbwhen ty
Just so you know, you should change your Meta macro because as i can tell it includes skardyn's and tempered pot so when you use it before the M+ key is placed to get the reset, you waste almost full buff of Skardyn's and pretty much 2/3 of your tempered potion on the 1st pull. No disrespect, just thought of mentioning it in case you havent noticed :)
@madartist2164 dude I just noticed it when watching my Echoes back LOL I cannot believe that doesn't reset. I've been losing so much dps I'm so bad 🤣
@@Csbwhen been there, done that :P
Man, you aint outa luck yet. My vault's been sucky these past few weeks. Imagine i had to go with a mythic wrist just to get my ilevel up 😅
Yo next week you hit big 100%!!! I believe!!!
nice run gg
@@TheMrMarkx 🍻
2m overall with Aug isn't a lot. 2m overall itself is barely a lot
@TheBulge thanks for the kind words!
I bet you dont play DH
@@R4UW3RS 634 dh, 636 WW
Excellent tips, appreciate it. What time on the countdown do you start the key rotation?
So in a coordinated group I do at 2 seconds because they will actively watch my meta to make sure im in the air before they put it in. Every pug i always slam at 3 seconds and make sure im in meta before 1 second. Alot of people have early trigger fingers
Here is the copy and paste talent string from my key, Go into talents at the bottom left it will say import. Copy the string below and it will change all talents. CEkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZmZmZGMzMjxMZmZGAAAAAAwsMMmhZGYmtZbMzMYGYZDWmFzYY20MjZmZGDbb
Where can I find this build?
Dog did you even watched the video? 0:17 is where he shows the build
@D0B0123 at the beginning of the video during load screen you can see the whole talent setup. I have a dawnbreaker talking about the talents itself
Solid gameplay. The best way to use fel barrage is when we have everything up (inertia, demonsurge, sigil etc) combining on meta or try to use as much as possible?
So I dont have the true answer to that yet. It feels like the most flex ability right now and I love that! I get to use Felbarrage to finish off a pack my teammates might be holding HUGE cds and I can just get us to our next spot so they can blast. What you said above is the absolute ideal scenerio but helping burst a random pack outside of cds for free has a ton of value. I will have a better answer for you when I play more. This is my 3rd or 4th key and I def have improvements to make here
@@Csbwhen Thanks for the anwser. Your tips and insights are very helpful and helps create a better scenario for us that want to improve as havoc.
@guihelene1 dude comments like this literally are the only reason I wanted to make this channel. Thanks for the kind words. I will be coming out with a full m+ breakdown of this spec when I'm confident it's perfect
Yo nice tips but shouldn’t you use sigil before you send those imo procs cause of student of suffering? Or does it not matter ?
I wasnt running that in this key. Always sigil first if you run student. Ive swapped to that since this. I have a new key talking about the spec. Currently practicing it now
Man, those are great tips.
What Scrolling Combat Text Addon are you using?
I dont have one at least that im aware of lmao. Im assuming its stock UI. Ill check if I have a weak aura doing something different.
Ohh loool Mines dj Khaled saying "another one"
@zitchness3948 oh shit that's hilarious 😂 I'm gonna try that hahaha
hi there, after watching this vid ive got an idea. how about we bind blade dance to the chaos strike key too. so if blade dance is on cd it sends chaos strike. or do u know any situation where u would hold blade dance and press chaos strike instead? that way we can just keep spamming chaos strike after first blade dance in essencebreak windows and if we get a cd reset it sends it without any thinking or wa?
@sizzlackgaming4705 I've thought about that for awhile and I can't really think why I wouldn't other than maybe missing a perfect essence break window but even then it's kinda like better to death sweep. Screw it I'll test literally a chaos strike blade dance macro. I'll get back to you. I wonder if u only wanted to prio damage then you dance it takes aggro before grouped could be bad
How to keep up demonsurges? Can u explain please.
@bahramakhlaghy6542 basically you can get 2 full stacks of surge if you start the key in meta. So we slam our abilities asap before pull get stacks of surge and imo aura then blast with sigil of flame bonus. Easier version Eyebeam meta pre key. Before that meta is over spam ur empowered abilities if you WILL NOT GET AGGRO. They do so much damage and hits everything so make sure not to rip aggro you will die. I like 3 stacks of surge before burst. I don't pull threat nearly as much. I hope that answers the question. If not I'll try again
Currently 628IL - I think im gonna continue playing this build for most keys. I see alot of potential and definitely have some feeling out to do. The reason this is so nice is because the eye beam refreshes fury so the Fel Barrage is just so free to use. I cant wait to play more with this build and bring you a full M+ guide. I got a 13 dawn done today as well and ill be uploading another ++12 necrotic wake raw. I have about 300 crests to go and my dh will be able to use all sparks and upgrades. Got the itch to play some more Havoc stay tuned
No, it's not back To do that shit, you have to setup during the whole pre-pull, and burst In conclusion, to do HALF the damage of a DK, you have to use TWO bursts
@@LeumasLSNTV tru
Just an fyi. Rank 1 in pve does not mean 0.1% title range. It means being actual rank 1. Not sure why you'd call yourself the rank 1 DH when legit your peak was in DF S3 where you weren't Rank 1 either. Not sure how you can classify yourself as rank 1 with current blue/green and grey parses, not to mention no cutting edge as proclaimed in the video and a bought heroic boost from a week old. Man what is this scam :D
Myfavorite thing about this comment is it shows you cant read and dont know how to even review basic stats. You can see my CE parces. They are right there for everyone. But man i fucking love the know it alls man just keep slamming the questions
@@Csbwhen Alright buddy, how about you link your parses :) since no one in the comment section can find it and even you yourself had to clarify that you transferred 1 billion times. It's crazy how you replied to me 4 times while you couldn't read yourself lol, the irony
@Queen_Malek www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/csbwhen?zone=24
@Queen_Malek all they had to ask kiddo keep it rolling.
@Queen_Malek it does fascinate me that I have this video on my channel as well. Like it's in plain view I fucking love youtube comments it helps with my boredom. Arguing with actual apes is one of my favorite things to do in life. Ur all blind as a fucking bat and simply cannot read or use critical thinking. You all might be demon hunter mains after all. Welcome to the channel u morons
oh wow, havoc got a buff finally
@@pierce_grossman lmao 🤣
There is something else going on too - pugged a City of Threads w/o a DH and several of the party members walked right through the door
@russbakr yeah I wonder if it will reamin for this season lol. They have a big patch coming out and I didn't see this mentioned. Not that it couldn't be in there but seems like a pretty huge bug that should be fixed lol
Link to full vid th-cam.com/video/81CEdif-GQ4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=my7-WAoLY732aTXq
It's just a bug that happened this week. Everyone can walk through
@@angrys13 damn I thought havoc was finally special hahaha
@@Csbwhen xD
I recently started watching your videos and I must say there is a lot I have learned. Great video!! I just started playing DH after a 5 y break from WOW. Is there a way you can explain the priorities in short (or in a different video ;))? Everywhere I look for guides, tips or tricks there are 3 things that are always pointed out. Deathsweep, Essence Break or Eye beem on CD, however your video is the first one that actually mentioned a bit more about Demonsurge or Regifire. So, is it Demonsurge and Regefire (through IMO) more important than Blade Dance or Essence Break? Should I spam imo whenever i have it rather than bladedance when it procs? Also, do I need to spend all Frel Rush procs for Inertia? Again, all guides are saying keep Inertia up as much as possible especially during burst, but when I look at most high rated people, they are barely using Fel Rush. I wonder if is me who doesn't understand how to use it or the guides are a bit misleading. Using Fel Rush freel EXTREMELY bad when you can't aim it, and beside the opener and the eye been window I feel like is a loss of DPS I feel like DH is a lot harder to understand as there are too many proc and bufs that need maintaining and some of them empore half of the tool kiit while the others the empower other half
@tovryg hey I'm going to get to everyone of these questions. I'm currently at work i got you. First quick one would be if you are going into META prio using every stack of imo aura first due to they can reset from a talent AND guaranteed reset with meta. But if you have 10 targets there's nothing that will out dps full stack imo into full stack ragefire uncapped dps. Plus if you proc you have infinite fury for the fight due to each stack. I will get to the other questions when i can thank you for the kind words!
❤@@Csbwhen
@@tovryg If you proc right away its impossible to use all of the imo auras with a felrush. Once you get 1 out you can full send stacks before the pull and meta reset. just make sure ur getting that value out of the reset. You really dont NEED to hit everything just focus on making sure ur imo auras are fully on cd before u go into meta. use ur fel rushes early when stacking before a pull so u dont have to waste globals. The ragefire does soooo much dps in keys. Chaos strike resetting blade dance is the biggest thing this season. Make sure you get that extra death sweep in the EB combo
@@tovryg If you have 10+ targets ragefire and imo are completley uncapped and can do unreal damage to everything while you prio damage the mob with chaos strike for resets. Ive changed my build slightly to support more fury regen with the eyebeam. I have a ++12 dawnbreaker coming out at 6am that breaks down my new build completely. Havoc changes rotation so much its about what wont take aggro and what will do the most damage by the end of the pull
Cool stuff. Will try to pay more attention to my imo stacks then and see how much I can improve. Thanks for the advices and keep them coming!!
I did this in Mists and it was the same things. Meta during countdown for key activation.
@lostpenguins it seems like other people are having the issue without havoc atm. I think its just a full game bug atm
I have not seen it but I will try it out
@@Chad-mx1pd really weird bug lmk
wait what stats are you playing, looks like you play alot of haste?
@@pjoskeli hey all gear I'm wearing is out of necessity. I just started gearing him. This is what's dropped for me. I have 450 crests and 2 sparks I will be upgrading when I can play sunday
Are you talking or dps? Why do you have haste rings and necks
@TheJimCarry hey I just started gearing him. All my gear I'm wearing is just simply what has dropped for me. It's not 100% ideal. I need 450 more crests still
@Csbwhen oh I see that ring was an insane upgrade for you then!!
@Csbwhen do you mainly do m+? What are your peak ratings
@@TheJimCarry it was a HUGE upgrade like 3%+ lol. I main mythic plus only. My highest rating was 3693 on havoc. I have a few videos of my 30 and 29 keys uploaded and many title level keys from other ssn
Yo how do I sign up for a coaching session?
@glitchesforfun hey i have a channel in my discord but nothing concrete yet. My days off are Sunday and Mondays
it seems like when i do the opener before keys it allows me to bug through the countdown bubble is that expected?
@ianhuang8963 dude yeah I've been noticing this it's CRAZY. Are u only having it happen on havoc when u meta bro????? If so that's my scenerio
@@Csbwhen yes like if the countdown hits 0 and you meta out of the bubble it seems to be able to skip, also when i do the prekey meta i dont get 21 seconds do you wait for eyebeam to fully channel?
@ianhuang8963 cancel the eyebeam at the fastest global you can if your not attacking anything it can give you 1 extra second for that last deathsweep value. But that's REALLY nitpicking. If you fully cast eyebeam into meta before key that's completely fine. Most people don't even do the opener!!
Love the video, been playing havoc since I started in DF s3 and still in love! Could you share the class WA you use?! Currently using jediths but like how streamlined yours looks
@bendixon54 hey mines super mix and matched atm. I'll be making a short video on it. I actually have the beginning started
@@Csbwhen oh amazing thank you! I look forward to that video
@bendixon54 🤜🤛
Why did I not know that felblade doesn't care about orientation lmao
@BeastPig9000 yeah dude! I've been playing again and I remember a few more very small interactions. Will be making another one like this
Yo how come you use mana oil instead of whetstone?
@@TheTormentedGamer lmao cuz I had 150 of them in the warband bank with less than 20kg so I was like wellll then I'll use those