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Hello, I will do my best to help clarify things for you and feel free to tell me more about what you hope to do overall. The other 4 inputs are not midi, they are stereo capable audio inputs and outputs. Are you using an existing synth patch like one of mine? If so, you would usually need to send midi messages from a controller. I used to use a KeyStep primarily and sometimes still but am more likely to use an Oxi One lately. Without some midi information going in, there would be no sound coming out, which is a good thing, because you want it to only play when you want it to play! I can help point you toward how to make patches and solve things like this, feel free to let me know what your overall goal is and I can try and help from there. EDIT: it also occurs to me that we should talk about settings and if you using a midi controller, are you using the correct midi cable type for your unit? Some models were built with type A or B and on their site, you’ll see which one you have accordingly by serial number. Aside from channels used and all - a few details worth confirming together.

I dont have a midi controller, and ive been using the first input only. Theres some modules though ive found that can only be connected to the midi in and out (?)

I am using a guitar, not a keyboard if that helps

There are a lot of great videos you should check out- start with some of the videos from Poly Effects specifically where they run through the modules A-Z. The synth patch specifically here will not produce sounds without midi control as they are. Simply put, they are not made to produce a sound that is controlled by your guitar. There are things that you can patch and some ways to use guitar to trigger or perform a single note (not chords) to be a synth but it’s a bit more difficult to explain before maybe you watch some of the module videos. There are patches you can make that won’t need a midi controller, it can be done all internal to the Beebo, but without a midi controller you won’t get as much as the benefits of what’s possible polyphonically as a synth.

MIDI is a very different thing from audio and such, it’s a really deep topic but there are videos and articles for you to see what can be done and how to use midi itself. If you would like to set time, have a live conversation, I am happy to help you learn things as well offline together.

Yes, there are several ways to use a midi keyboard. You can connect directly via USB or by the midi in 1/8" port.

I would need to retrace my exact steps if you need specific instructions but from what I recall offhand - I believe the secret sauce was binding the footswitches separately to record and then toggling rec/play or play/stop. I’d pressed the footswitch A for instance and by hand selected the different function for it to toggle, set it essentially that way. If you give me a few days, I’ll be near my Beebo unit to double check how I did it. I’ve been very Hector focused for a bit now 🤓

You are absolutely correct - ADSR can connect to the MacroOSC Level CV directly. VCA would not be needed on most of the sounds. Some that are percussive would need the trigger still for the full effect but there is something pretty cool about the snare as a drone!

Great question to ask! Beebo is a midi host in this setup, MidiFighter via usb directly.

@@pedaleffected That's really cool. For my Zoia I need a separate midi host if I want to use something like the midifighter.

It's designed so you can connect a USB keyboard and play the synth modules as well, right? I think I need to get one. Looks too awesome.

Yep- that’s a difference between the devices right there for sure. I would send MidiFighter to my ZOIA via Beebo as host before I expanded my set up since then. There are some great midi host devices if needed at differing price points depending on the features you need. For my DAW to be fully interested with hardware, I’ve been using the Blokas MidiHub and also a powered USB hub for multiple devices.

@@pedaleffected I use one of the cheap Doremidi boxes, nakedboards and a Midilab mkii, but I'm starting to collect sets of Cme Widi connectors as well. I don't love the trend of USB midi devices without midi out, or wished Zoia had a usb host built in. It's always annoying to connect a 3rd party usb midi host and then realize your controller still needs power somehow! No matter what, there's cables everywhere, and that's just the way it is!

Basically yes, you’ve got some options. MidiFighter can plug directly into Beebo via usb and you could send midi via 1/8” cables to ZOIA. You could also have something like an interface with your computer or otherwise that does midi hosting via usb and still has midi outputs for cables. There are a few things out there that can do all that with or without a computer.

I haven’t used the MK2 but in theory should work so long as it sends cc messages to Beebo/Hector. I’ve not had issues with any controllers as long as they were programmed correctly and so forth

Beebo is not able to receive CV directly without some go-between externally. The Hector version is fully CV friendly.

Sorry I missed this! I believe the MidiFighter can receive midi back and do a few different things but I have not done much of that myself. I like to the encoders though on the MidiFighter so that a press down resets the value to my chosen starting point in the range, I turn the encoder to change cc value but use the press to bring me back home as it were. I hope that does help - when I have time I may experiment with what you asked about and see from there. I imagine part of the solution would be in patching the Beebo accordingly internally to send midi out on the channel and cc that the MF is looking for. Now you got me curious to go look at the midi implementation guide... :)

@@pedaleffected I managed to get it working, but it’s a bit more difficult then I expected. Since I don’t have it in front of me, I recall this From the component I wish to control (f.e. reverb) I can only make one connection to ether midi in or out. There is an extra control component that allows me to make an extra connection to the thing I want to control (reverb) and if I use that component to connect midi in, then it seems to work. This does mean I shouldn’t edit the reverb setting directly, but should always use the connected component.

@@FuZZbaLLbee you sound like you made progress for sure! I’d have to look further to get more specific and helpful but you should be able to set up multiple midi related components, just be mindful of channel and cc number. I know in the MidiFighter editor there are some settings that may help dial it in. When I use the MidiFighter on a parameter via encoder it will move the value sliders in real-time most modules, if I use the slider in the module to change a setting it overrides whatever the MF sent to it. I would say write up a list of ideal use scenarios, work backward - so much is possible.

The synth modules have many parameters. The Macro OSC for instance is a port of Mutable Instruments Plaits. Any specific requests? I’m getting back to making more videos soon, busy year for me so far.

@@pedaleffected oh I just mean I want to hear more demo sound of the patches you are showing!

You’re so kind! I’ll start maybe doing an extended part at the end where I let the patches play to your point. Thank you for the suggestion, truly!

The way to do it changed a few times but I believe if on current firmware, create a folder on your USB thumb drive called presets and place them in there. Make sure you have the right type of thumb drive format too. On the Beebo, you can navigate to the import settings area and it should work out. I will check later today if I am mistaken in the current method. Let me know how it goes for you -

Modules such as Product work like CV logic to multiply for instance. Other helpful modules would be Sum, Difference, and the Attenuverter to tailor and adjust CV. It's based on 5V overall I believe. In the future, I would love to see more done in the firmware for options on CV logic/functions.

No guitar used at all, midi notes in via KeyStep to control pitch polyphonically

@@pedaleffected thanks for reply. Can the oscillators be activated by and input signal though or are they generators only?

@@Lodus_beatbox in the Beebo, fully controllable pitch and gate via midi. You can set pitch manually if you’d like to use them as generators as well but you have full control with midi.

@@pedaleffected sorry maybe i wasn’t clear. Simply, could I use my guitar as an input going into the oscillator and get a synth tone from my guitar. Could this work? Thanks a lot!

@@Lodus_beatbox sure - no sorry needed, with standard guitar pickups it can pick up one note at a time with a module called pitch detector. It can send the pitch information to the multi resonator and control it. It cannot do full chords from guitar this way, just one note at a time.

The Loopler module can record I believe up to 90 minutes of total audio. This can be done across multiple loops, for instance 9x 10 min loops or other variations of course if not synchronized or if doing different length loops for sound on sound.

@@pedaleffected 90 mins total?!?!! Wow that is impressive!!!!

@@DECIMA1 I’ve never truly maxed it out myself but I’ve come to really prefer this visual layout for desktop synth looping especially.

Yes. I primarily only use it synced to external clock in my overall rig. Usually an MPC One provides clock and Loopler on Beebo simply receives when you adjust its menu settings for sync type to midi.

Thank you! It is available to download on patchstorage, feel free to download and use it. Note of caution, I made this patch many firmwares ago and think I may revisit/update it with newer features.

Yes indeed - Midi Fighter is connected directly to Beebo via usb midi. Beebo is also able to power the Midi Fighter and communicate midi perfectly. I had to rewatch my own video because I have since changed the setup, Midi Fighter now lives in a 4 port powered usb hub into my MPC One. The MPC One is handling traffic and midi mapping channels for me as needed. All still flows to Beebo for midi learn flawlessly. One mistake I always make is I forget I have something running, like a midi LFO from the Digitakt or somewhere and try to midi learn somewhere down the chain. Easy to fix, relearn the midi, but I mention it for others who may make the same mistake!

I think it’s subjective- I run stuff like my Digitakt and Digitone through it in parallel sometimes as far as signal chains and don’t have a lag that I feel. I’m not as sensitive to it maybe? I think it all falls into the realm of expectation I’ve had even with Line 6 gear for the whole AD/DA thing, it doesn’t hold me back recording/jamming etc

@@pedaleffected hmmm, good to hear. Yeah, I'm looking to have sort of a Sherman Filterbanky type nasty processor for my Rytm, but with presets so I can save my work. Seems like this thing is the ticket!

I try to not play favorites but Beebo is one of a few pedals that hasn’t left my main rig for the last year and a half!

They do not assign permanently to either knob technically. Within a module, when you a slider to change parameters it now will be adjustable via the encoders. There is no way to hard set it permanently. There is also spotlight mode - quick access for settings from multiple modules.

Thank you for the kind words! Devices like Beebo definitely got me into modular/Eurorack as well. As soon as I get a Hector, the Beebo is going back to my guitar rig full time!

That is a BoredBrain Terminal, sweet product!

Welcome aboard! I would say there are several strategies for sure. I will lay out 2 situations and feel free to ask anything or tell me more about your preferred setup to better help here. 1. I would in the patch itself tend to use VCA’s in my signal paths to best set levels in advance. Think of this logic as when you set the level control on a standard Boss pedal, except you can save the level in your patch. This is how I treat many of my synth patches for instance. 2. I will be getting a Hector soon and relocating Beebo to my pedalboard again. I plan to run it with my HX Stomp in the FX loop. I can control levels and parallel/series signal paths that way as well. My only reason for saying try the VCA idea instead of the EQ is that you may color the sound that way differently. Worth trying both ways, there is merit also in having the EQ available for tweaking. Also, you may want to adjust the input gain in global settings in Beebo if level in is too hot.

@@pedaleffected thank you for the tips! I will definitely put them to use.

I’m a big fan of external controllers. Not even because of any one pedal - it’s just nice to have a main preferred control station. Like when you have a guitar neck that feels better than others during a set. Sounds like you have a great option in the AKAI. I love my KeyStep37 most and recently fell in love with the Polyend Tracker to send midi note/cc.

Can you share schematic and code or free uikd OS for beaglebone please

You can yes, put the step sequencer to the macro osc module however it doesn’t produce fully the results I’d be hoping for just yet. You may find better results with the Chaos Controller. I’d like to see the step sequencer and quantizer modules interact more fully. I’m hoping some of that gets solved in a firmware update.

@@pedaleffected thank you so much for your response I really appreciate it

Congratulations on your new Beebo! Currently I am on Firmware 3.5 and would recommend updating if you are a Loopler fan. There were some features added for midi connection to the Loopler module. Also, I saw on Poly Effects' Instagram that there may be a 3.6 update released in very near future.

@@pedaleffected thanks for your response I really appreciate it. Yes I believe 3.0 will be installed when I get it in the mail this Wednesday. I purchased my from perfect circuit audio. So you're saying there is no Looper application on the 3.0 version at all? Is the 3.5 going to take away some features that were currently on the 3.0? I usually don't mess with the unit especially when I buy a new because I have a 15 day grace. If I want to return it so I tend to kind of leave things alone when I first buy it but if you think that upgrading 3.5 will definitely be like a night-and-day difference please let me know

I forget which firmware introduced Loopler but there is a lot of improvement overall when you do upgrade. Very easy to do and worthwhile!

I’ve only had one time a patch that spiked to 120% or so and didn’t work. Often I’ve maxed it to about 106-110% without sound issues. Also, I like to remind people reverb tends to be the most costly module. Most complicated patch is subjective, I’ve had complicated midi and cv function patches that barely used DSP. 4 Oscillators and Algo Reverb? You may need to make choices. I’d say cut an oscillator or offload reverb to a different device even. I have a few favorite external reverbs so that’s why I’d bring it up. I look forward to Hector also!!

@@pedaleffected Thanks, that's helpful. I've asked the developer whether he can make a comparison with the Percussa SSP which is probably the closest equivalent to Hector in eurorack. The screen lag in Beebo's display does worry me a bit, though.

I really don’t have a screen lag or many of the typical random complaints. I sometimes don’t touch a right thing and that’s on me lol I’ve been very happy with it and my ZOIA together to be a bit of dreamstation. They play nice together and will probably have a Hector side by side with a Euroburo eventually. What aspect of the display was concerning to you?

@@pedaleffected It just seemed rather laggy when any changes were made, which made me think there was a lack of optimisation in the firmware. Still, at least the developer is continually refining the coding.

I can’t say as there is a lag. I make no commission by saying that :)

Thank you :)

I would not even compare the 2 devices honestly. Beebo has midi learn aside from being to program and set modules with specific information in the patch to control incoming midi as well as send to external devices. The Morningstar units are truly master control devices with the MC8 having 8 buttons available and some great options within. For instance, you can use MC8 with the software editor and set up your commands. Then on Beebo, you could do a variety of things such as midi learn off the MC8 programming or physically set cc numbers and channels. Beebo also does not have a software editor like the MC8 etc. If I was to compare, I’d say Beebo is more similar to midi mapping and midi learn in Logic Pro than some other devices. I hope I made sense, feel free to ask anything if I didn’t exactly cover it!

@@pedaleffected sorry i wasn't clear. i'm not asking how they compare with each other but rather how to set up my MC8 to control the Beebo. it's easy with most pedals, but the Beebo is a unique animal.

Ah! I can help you get started. I’d say you have options. One idea is to set up a preset bank on MC8, set the channel to your Beebo for all your cc messages. I would do each button on the MC8 to be a different sequential cc number. For example, Beebo is channel 2, set cc messages as 1-8 on the first page of 8 buttons. You can do this up to 16 if doing the page options. Midi learn would be very easy in that manner. You can also in advance decide what cc numbers to use and program them manually in the midi cc modules to set values that correspond between Beebo/MC8. I also like to use Beebo to send out midi messages from itself, using its LFO to midi cc out patching.

Hello! That’s not a trivial question at all! It actually is too loud, I would use a VCA to be a volume control at the end of the signal chain to set it where you need.

Thank you - there's just so much you can do. I wanted to show some ideas of possibilities for how all things can work together!

Thank you!

Glad you like them!

My pleasure!

Beebo has a pitch detect to send internally as monophonic, will not detect more than one note at a time (no chords) - the tracking is great and you can adjust to your playing response. This can work for many modules and trigger many functions aside from just the Macro OSC!

@@pedaleffected well monophonic is something, good tool . Yesterday i have try to use it but i have do something wrong. ,,, i put the in signal from guitar to pitch detect, the midi out of this to midi note to cv and from this, the pitch to macro osc and the gate to trigger cv . I have put adsr like you had suggest, connect the out to vca and from here to output but sound come out in a frammentary way, pheraps i need to set better the macro osc. I must try again another day, maybe i can use the preset fourvoicemidi that i use succesfully with akay mpk midi masterkey and try to sostitute this last with pitch detect to see what happen. In any case there is a lot of possibility here and i'm only at the beginning of learning to use it rigth so i must be quite and study, but something beautyfull is come out rigth now and make me happy so surelly i will go deeper on this pedal. Thaks for suggests , good music!!!

@@enricogiuliani5126 from what I read quick here you may need to do a few things differently- I often do pitch detect gate to the ADSR and not the trigger of the Macro OSC in most situations. I would also try neck pickup on your guitar, that tends to help most pitch tracking synth pedals out there.

It took me a little bit to understand modular and CV as well, there are many great resources on TH-cam for almost every question I had at one point. There are direct parallels to modular/eurorack hardware and how you would connect/patch modules. The Beebo lets us do things without running out of patch cables!

Thank you!

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Thank you very much!

Hello! it definitely does work the same as with the BeatstepPro and several other MPK type usb things. no issues - also, please do let me know anytime you have questions. you should be able to midi learn most functions that can send a midi control or note message basically - the midi learn is robust.

@@pedaleffected Thank you so much for attention , your answer make me happy!!! I start playing with beebo only a week ago but i have a lot of fun, this pedal have limitless possibility. Nevigate in to it is quite difficult because manual not go in deep explantion of creation of sound and ihave few knowledge about mudular synth. But it's the beautyfull of this , i have to explore, and it's awesome !!! I'm thinking about expansion of live use of the pedal and have a question , in your opinion , it's possible to use two different midi controller ,one in to usb and the other in to midi in port , at the same time? or i'm asking too much? i'm asking because this kind of double connection can create an extremely playble and flexyble rig. In any case no doubt about i'll have great joy from this pedal, thanks for what you do , great channel, good music!!!

Hi! Beebo is definitely fun and it sounds like you are asking great questions! Good news - you can do what you are looking to do. I would say be mindful of midi channels for what the controller sends versus what a module might be looking for and it will all work correctly. To get more specific and to clarify - you can use USB for midi and still use the 1/8" ports for midi in/out at the same time within patches. I also recently tested a powered usb hub with more than USB port sending/receiving data using a KeyStep and a MidiFighter Twister at the same time. Personally, I tested for devices at same time and no issues via USB for midi.

@@pedaleffected wow great idea!!! i'm very nice to listen this, it can make easier built a good setup to play , with a lot of flexibility, the possibilty of create crazy sound are rising very quickly!!!

Hi Benjamin, It really depends on what you want to run from a module perspective, some things are more expensive than others in a patch against the CPU limits. Midi/CV control modules are usually light, so are the VCA and signal routing type things if integrating external gear. What are you trying to do overall ideally? I would be more than happy to give you a specific answer based on your rig or intended setup! In general, I try to think what do I need to do most - for instance I often might go for 3 oscillators and leave room for a reverb module and a granular module to create a larger performance patch that I do not need to change often within a live set. Sometimes I have sequencer modules and also midi control going on in the background with other devices in that same patch to/from Beebo. If I am making a proper synth patch for a recording, I might not need reverb at all from Beebo and load it up with 4 oscillators and other things but still have room left over. Recently, I had been using it to provide FX (dual stereo reverbs and control modules) to both a Digitone and Digitakt being run through separate stereo path ins and out to a mixer for recording.

Yes, you can sync to midi clock for tempo but not for stop/start commands via clock send/receive. I do it by using a midi clock in module (patched to the midi in on right side) and patching the midi clock in module then to drum pattern generator itself.

It's one of those things - it's a great sounding pedal and has held up over about 16-17 years of ownership. Playing it today brought back memories! These days my tastes have changed a bit and I lean towards EQD's Acapulco Gold and Eruptor for my more brutal needs if as a pedal. For a fly rig, I love the care and attention Line 6 has put into things like the Industrial Fuzz which models the ZVex Fuzz Factory. Also, I can't say enough great things about the Mastotron from Zvex, awesome all around fuzz with many options.

Yup! That MicroFreak should do exactly this for you. I have a BeatStepPro and a KeyStep37, in their midi cc mode I am able to do midi learn usually with no additional programming in the software. For instance, with the Midi Fighter Twister, I did not even change its native preloaded settings. It cooperated right out of the box with its native midi cc’s. As long as you do not have channel or cc conflicts, it should work very easily for you!

Same, same! What a great Beta though! There was a post from Poly Effects that an updated beta 3.2 will come out this week with bug fixes. Almost there!

If you took out one oscillator you would save a bunch for sure! This patch was very CPU intensive but worth it!

Hello! The parameters how I played and set them were set at the time when saved to patchstorage.com if that helps! Specifically for the ADSR: Attack and Release are at 0.0 Decay is at .13 Sustain is at .68 Threshold at .53 Pitch Detect: Onset is at 1.0 Silence Threshold is at -52.9 Pitch Tolerance is at .70

Thank you!

@@pedaleffected extremely usefull, thank you anothr time!!!