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Can You Harvest Honey from a Layens Hive with no Queen Excluder?
How can honey be harvested from a Layens Horizontal hive if no queen excluder is used? Doesn't the queen lay eggs throughout the hive? In this video I discuss and demonstrate how bees naturally lay out the hive, segregating the honey from the brood.
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I grew up on a farm on the edge of the Nebraska sandhills. A cattle ranch that bears our family name, founded in the late 1800s by my ancestors, is still owned and worked by my cousin. Life events have put me in the suburbs of a major metropolitan area in middle America, where my wife and I have raised our two kids. It's in this environment that I work to make as sustainable a life as I can, converting much of our backyard to grow food, including a garden, fruit trees and bee hives.
I attempt to use natural methods, as much as is possible, in my gardening and beekeeping. I garden organically and continue to learn to work with the soil and the plants, without the use of chemical supplements, herbicides or pesticides, to improve our harvest. Our honey bees are sourced from local colonies through swarms, trap-outs and cut-outs, and are kept, using treatment-free, natural methods, in Layens horizontal hives.
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  • @user00404
    @user00404 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    im curious if the colonies where the queen wanders are younger or older

  • @ishaa5948
    @ishaa5948 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I watched the construction video first. I'm sorry that it fell apart but u r right... Its a great learning tool. Now u know better what it is u really need. I put flex seal on my Outsunny🙏 We'll see how long it lasts.🙏

  • @ishaa5948
    @ishaa5948 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Thank u for sharing. I'm putting my Outsunny polytunnel together n I'm looking for different ways to secure it. I'm also looking for my next greenhouse. I've been watching videos non stop for days n u're the first person to mention how much light comes through. Thats great. Mine is in full Sun. I wont have to add lights. In🙌🙏 Thanks again.

  • @billmeek4777
    @billmeek4777 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Say where you live,,makes a huge difference 🤯 ,, mild winter ,,cold winter , or very cold

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I'm in Missouri, USA. On average, temps range from 100F+ to -10F.

  • @dennystillwell131
    @dennystillwell131 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the video, I've been doing bees for 3 years and never had them survive the winter. I always keep looking at videos like this for advice!!

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Where your bees come from makes a big difference. I've heard this a lot from people who buy packages (normally from Southern climates) and install them in hives in colder zones. Locally caught swarms can be a better source for locally acclimated, resilient bees. I know I'm making some assumptions about the source of your bees so this may or may not be applicable for you.

  • @brettwhite5906
    @brettwhite5906 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That voice! Your speaking style is so familiar. I just can't place it. Like a news reporter or educational TV.

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      LOL - I've never been a news reporter or a narrator for educational TV, although some have suggested radio or voiceover work. Some have told me they find my voice soothing - I hope that's not just another way of saying my videos put them to sleep. 😆

  • @LenardMountainHomestead
    @LenardMountainHomestead 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That's awesome!!!

  • @applesaucefpv7664
    @applesaucefpv7664 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hello, I just finished watching one of your older videos about the layens hive I came in with a pretty closed mind, but after watching the video, it is actually changing my mind, starting to love the idea of how you dont have to disturb all the bees at once, But I do have some concerns. I live in australia, and I had a concern about the airflow. Would it get too hot? Especially in harsher sunny days, and would it get "Too Humid" And another concerns is, what happens if a hive is extremely strong and outgrows the hive? Other than that, im really interested in a layens setup

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you for your comment. No matter what direction you take in your beekeeping, I take it as a complement for a "closed mind" to become more open to other ideas. I'll respond to your questions as best as I can: As for the airflow, bees do a masterful job of ventilating their space. Thomas Seeley has found, in his research, that honeybees in the wild prefer an enclosed cavity with a single, relatively small, low entrance. In the first chapter of his newest book, "Piping Hot Bees & Boisterous Buzz-Runners", he addresses the question of how bees avoid asphyxiating due to carbon dioxide buildup in such a space. In the Layens hives, because the bees are typically allowed to build comb more naturally, the comb can be subject to collapse if new, soft, comb - heavy with honey - gets overheated. I already prefer hives with insulated walls, but to help with the summer heat and solar heating I've also started adding 3 inches of insulation to my lids, as I describe in this video: th-cam.com/video/OqNxQ6WmOSM/w-d-xo.html. I've found this to be beneficial for moderating hive heat in the summer as well as helping to retain heat in the winter. The only time moisture in a hive is a concern is if moisture condenses above the bees during winter (depending on your winter temps) and that condensation drips down and chills the winter cluster. Condensation will occur on the surfaces with the greatest heat transfer, so with the lid insulated (or a pillow on top of the frames) during winter, that condensation on the top is unlikely. Condensation anywhere else provides water that the bees will need, particularly going into spring. I've had only a couple colonies that came close to running out of space in a 20 frame hive. Some have addressed this with larger hives, like 25 frames. But it's also a simple matter to harvest full honey frames, replacing them with empty frames, to provide space. Regardless of how you proceed with your beekeeping journey, I wish you well. Thanks for watching.

  • @LenardMountainHomestead
    @LenardMountainHomestead 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hope the straps help

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thankfully they weren't tested; it seems the bears moved on in another direction (if the initial bear reports were reliable).

  • @LenardMountainHomestead
    @LenardMountainHomestead 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome advise!! Just keep swimming

  • @LenardMountainHomestead
    @LenardMountainHomestead 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Your setup was amazing

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you! Next year we'll be doing a 10x20 setup at each event so it'll be a little less crowded in the booth.

    • @LenardMountainHomestead
      @LenardMountainHomestead 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SuburbanSodbuster awesome

  • @LenardMountainHomestead
    @LenardMountainHomestead 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It was so nice meeting you

  • @zellalaing5439
    @zellalaing5439 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Root vegetables are like magic.

  • @TaylorKlein-wc6bl
    @TaylorKlein-wc6bl 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sounds like fun

  • @karenallen7488
    @karenallen7488 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    very interesting I lost a hive this year but I have one that is doing well but its a treated hive I will replace a new hive in the spring but try and do treatment free.

  • @bradbrown2168
    @bradbrown2168 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I built a Layens hive and put a swarm in it this early Summer. Lots of bees. Harvesting not so sure. I took 3 outside frames in Mid August. 10 pints in all. My concern is how to know the proper amount to take. Any need to provide sugar this winter and should I treat for mites now and w what ? I appreciate you channel!

  • @seang2012
    @seang2012 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow this is so interesting! Thanks for teaching us.

  • @johnvielee5360
    @johnvielee5360 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What is best time of year to use this approach relocating hive from house to a box?

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Any relocation is best done in the Spring so the bees have the advantage of the nectar flow to build up their new hive.

  • @BeeBuzzGardens
    @BeeBuzzGardens 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice queen

  • @Swarmstead
    @Swarmstead 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice one.

  • @jcsingle21
    @jcsingle21 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would like to see more details on your hives. Did you buy them or make them? If you made them, that would be a good series to learn more.

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've built most of my hives, using plans from Dr. Leo's website (horizontalhive.com) for my insulated 20 frame hives. I currently re-sell Dr. Leo's insulated hives, but am working on my own design with some modifications. I'm hoping to make an announcement about this by next spring. Watch here, on my facebook page and/or my website (suburbansodbuster.com) for news.

  • @robertshorthill6836
    @robertshorthill6836 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Here you are stuffing your smoker full of broom grass. Are you anywhere near a horse pasture ? Get some dry horse dung for smoker fuel. It is the very best. It burns cool, smells pleasant and calms even nasty colonies. Best wishes, Bob in Montana

  • @robertshorthill6836
    @robertshorthill6836 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Here we are with the queen excluder device. If one must use it, please consider an important point an old time beek taught me several decades ago-- pull the damn thing back about 1 1/4" from the front edge of the box. This will allow free travels of drones within the colony/ hive. Otherwise they can plug up the bee spaces and constrict the workers from travelling to the supers. Next, when there is a barrier of honey above the queen/ brood, take the QE away as it is not necessary any longer. I have seen many hives where the QE was left on all season and clugged with dead drones fighting to get through. Imagine trying to get your groceries into your house by way of a pet door or a partly opened window. It can and does demoralize the workers during a heavy flow. So get that QE off as soon as possible. Your honey crop will be improved. Trust me, I have had over 20 years dealing with bees and it must the noted the queen will almost never find this front gap and cross up through it.

  • @LindyPierce
    @LindyPierce 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for this informative video. I am new to this and think of myself as a “bee host” rather than keeper as I the bees continue to reinforce that they know what they are doing and need very little from me! I am using two insulated Layens hives here in SW Missouri and on last inspection I suspect I will be harvesting some honey next month. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and experience!

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have a question that might seem to be odd, but you say you're in SW Missouri and I'm curious. Please reply in an e-mail to contact@suburbansodbuster.com: Where are you generally located in that part of the state and about how far off I-44? I have a reason for asking which I'll share in e-mail, if you choose to respond.

  • @toddhill8543
    @toddhill8543 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Colonies look good looks like yours are making some honey. I found for the last 2 years my larger established colonies take up about 12 frames from open to end of brood frame. I had one that used 14 frames about 3/4 slab on each at all times this year was a very strong 20 frame colony but still not a lot of honey from them by my estimate from last inspection.

  • @robertshorthill6836
    @robertshorthill6836 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Don't know much about Layens system, but with a Langstroth, a QE is only necessary for a couple weeks during a good flow. After that, the queen will find no more room in the upper supers as they will be starting to get filled.

  • @robertshorthill6836
    @robertshorthill6836 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Those Layens frames are magnificent in their brood/ storage capacity. I built several that size to catch a swarm or two one spring, but no swarms were to be had, so I sold 35 frames to another beek who was glad to get them. I had to move so I didn't have any use for my hive body either. Gave it to same fellow for a gallon of honey.

  • @bmarshall5253
    @bmarshall5253 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great Video! Where do you place your frame feeders when feeding? Are the feeders behind the follower board in the position they were when you opened the hives and the bees access them from under the follower board? I noticed on the space themed hive the follower board had a slit entrance in it when you removed the feeder, what was the purpose of that slit?

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, I put the feeders on the opposite side of the follower board from the frames, with a gap below the follower board. The bees have never seemed to have a problem finding the feeder there and there's less chance for the bees to build comb on the feeder. As for the slit entrance on the board, I had to go back and watch that portion of the video to see what you meant. I see what looks like a slit entrance on the board but, for the life of me, I don't recall what that is. It might be some sort of mark or defect on the plywood but I don't actually have a slit cut through the board. The next time I'm into those hives I'll have to check that board to see what it actually is.

  • @PAPAGSBEES
    @PAPAGSBEES 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First year Bee manager. I Built 2 Long Langstroth Hives in spring. My most recent inspection showed that 1 hive had 7 full frames of brood and the other one had 8 full frames. Consistent with what you explained in your video. Hope this helps. Thanks for your videos. They have helped me alot.

  • @lambbrookfarm4528
    @lambbrookfarm4528 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great subject that many seem misinformed in. Still relatively new... 5th yr. Here in central New Hampshire, I found colonies wintered well on 8 Layens frames, 1-2 frames of resources on the ends and 4- 6 frames of brood nest, although I have successfully wintered over several small colonies in 6 frame boxes with 5 frames of bees and a frame feeder. Some colonies expanded beyond the # 10 frame but I suspect that it was because the frames were not completely laid to the bottom. Frames located farther that that from the entrance almost never have brood in them. Thanks Montie, take care, Brice

  • @wendygrant2735
    @wendygrant2735 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very well explained again. Thank you Sir.

  • @billbarnes9718
    @billbarnes9718 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video. Thanks

  • @1936stever
    @1936stever 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First time bee keeper here with 4 Layers hives. How do you know how much honey you can harvest before winter? I've always been concerned that I'll take too much and starve the bees.

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The brood frames, on which they'll over-winter, should have a band of honey across the top. Here in Missouri I look for at least 3"; farther north more may be needed. Besides that I leave 2 full frames of honey, one (or the equivalent) on each end of the brood frames. If you're keeping bees that are locally acclimated to your area, and you have a typical year for nectar (no severe drought, etc.) the bees should store up adequate winter resources on their own - otherwise they may need fall feeding. When I saw Dr. Leo demonstrate this I though it was too easy but it's worked well for me every year. In an insulated hive, particularly, it can be remarkable how little of their winter honey gets used up. If you're nervous about leaving just 2 honey frames besides what's on the brood frames, it doesn't hurt to leave a little extra over winter.

  • @LeeADKMOBILEMILLING
    @LeeADKMOBILEMILLING 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I watch your channel quite a bit. My question is, how large are your frames, they? What is the dimension of them

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The interior of the Layens frames are 12" wide by 14-1/2" deep (305mm x 368mm)

  • @weirhauch1002
    @weirhauch1002 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I follow natural beekeeping methods. I do what you mention in the video .I do not feed them sugar ,and they work better without me .I do not use langstroth boxes so no ventalation is available except the enterance .This makes the boxes a graveyard for varroa.

  • @FontanaOutdoors
    @FontanaOutdoors 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    “The more active winter honey bee is during winter month the less it lives (Taranov Georgy )

  • @JS-px3et
    @JS-px3et 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My grandson has asked about starting his own garden. I recommended Survival Seeds to him. I'm not sure he ordered anything yet but I am sharing this video with him. He has been trying to help me start my own bee hives but was only familiar with the Langstroth. I had him watch some of your bee vids as well. Thanx for inspiring us.

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you for sharing! I hope you both have success: him with his garden and you with your hives.

  • @paulwyleciol3459
    @paulwyleciol3459 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    so many bagfast, shame on you! 😢

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@paulwyleciol3459 "bagfast"? I have no idea what you're saying.

  • @DarrenHughes-Hybrid
    @DarrenHughes-Hybrid 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would have been nice if you’d have included the new bee actually coming out of its cell.

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DarrenHughes-Hybrid I agree, but after several minutes with the frame in one hand and camera in the other I concluded it was going to take a while and went on with the inspection.

  • @Thebuddingherbalist
    @Thebuddingherbalist 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First year beekeeper here. started with 2 langstroth hives; was pressured into treating with formic pro...... I only treated one hive because I couldn't get to the bottom broad box on the other. Well the treated hive absconded, and the untreated one is thriving. I am signed up for Dr. Leo's seminar and am looking forward to this way of beekeeping!! I plan on spending the winter months building the layens hives.

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for sharing! It seems to be a common pattern that absconding often follows treatment. I think that letting the bees live more naturally is better for them and easier on us.

  • @billr8276
    @billr8276 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What happens when a bee gets old?

    • @GregZimdahl
      @GregZimdahl 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It dies.

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      During the nectar gathering season, honeybees live about 45 days so "old" is relative. While they start out their life fuzzy and light in color, often with distinct yellow bands, by the end of their life much of their "hair" has worn off and the bees will be mostly dark in color. Their wings will also look tattered and ragged. They often die outside of the hive, but if they die inside then an "undertaker" bee will carry them out of the hive and away.

    • @billr8276
      @billr8276 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@GregZimdahl Clever, very clever.

    • @xShrubx
      @xShrubx 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Only females might get old. Themale bees end up being kicked from the hive because other then breeding with the queen they useless and just a mouth to feed. Bees are so interesting

  • @Jack-es9xq
    @Jack-es9xq 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How do you scrap the frames without exposing other hives, natural or kept, from getting at the honey and pollen?? Would you consider melting the comb for wax or does that just concentrate the sacbrood germ into the wax - or does the heat kill it??

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sac brood is not as dreaded or persistent as some other diseases, like American Foul Brood, and is generally not a problem for strong, healthy colonies. It spreads most readily when colonies are stressed or weak, as this colony had been. As I recall, I froze the frames, then set them out for the other bees to clean out. Obviously, not every beekeeper would recommend this approach. This colony that died out came from a conventional (treated) apiary while the rest of my hives at this time were from feral sources. I didn't see any spread of the issues to the other hives. I also wouldn't have any concern about melting down the comb for the wax.

  • @rickycox9616
    @rickycox9616 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am in my sixth year of bee keeping and all of my hives have been from swarms, or removals in my area. I have never treated for mites and the most I've lost is 2 hives in one year. Most years I don't lose any hives. I don't want to use any chemicals in my hives and so far it doesn't seem to be a problem for me. I think using local feral bees is the way to go if you want a strong healthy apiary.

  • @philipthomas1285
    @philipthomas1285 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi,where can i buy the hose?

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have a page listing some of the vacuum parts in the shop on my website: suburbansodbuster.com/product-category/equipment/bee-vacuum-parts-supplies/ Each product page has a link to buy the product on Amazon.

  • @JoeMeeuwsen
    @JoeMeeuwsen 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What do you do to feed the bees in the winter with the Layens hive?

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't feed at all over winter. If locally acclimated bees are kept, they'll be in sync with the local nectar flow and climate and will store adequate resources for winter. The deep frames of the Layens hive give enough space for the bees to store these resources. When I saw Dr. Leo demonstrate winterizing the hive I thought it couldn't be that easy, but I've learned that the bees really do "know" how to prepare their hive. If it does become necessary to feed a hive due to some exceptional situations, such as an extended drought during the normal nectar flow, then what I commonly use are frame feeders. But I haven't had need to feed any of my hives this year or last.

    • @JoeMeeuwsen
      @JoeMeeuwsen 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SuburbanSodbuster Where are you located & do you extract the honey or leave it for the bees?

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm in Missouri; our temps generally range from summer highs of 100F to winter lows of -10F. To prepare for winter and dearth periods, the honey at the top of the brood frames + 2 full honey frames is adequate so we harvest the surplus.

  • @JK-es9wu
    @JK-es9wu 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Have you used packaged bees . and have you used "no foundation" frames ?

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No, I haven't used packaged bees. Instead, I prefer to keep bees acclimated to our local nectar flow and climate. I source these primarily from swarm catches, cut-outs or trap-outs. Having bees that function in sync with the nectar flow, increasing and decreasing brood appropriately, as well as storing adequately for winter, makes it easier on the keeper. As for the frames, my preference is for wired frames that can be used in an extractor. I do prefer to use only 2-3/4" of wax foundation as a starter strip, rather than full sheets of foundation, and let the bees build the rest out as natural comb. This year I tried using some craft sticks as a starter but the bees seem to be reluctant to build on it. Next year I think I might cut those down to 1/2 width or less, just to give the bees a ridge to guide the comb.

  • @douglasgeis3471
    @douglasgeis3471 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Africanized bees are only a problem when they initially arrive. The F1 cross, 50% European x 50% African are bad to the bone. Subsequent crosses of the F2, F3, F4 ets are quite normal.

  • @judykilgour5476
    @judykilgour5476 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m a newbie and wonder if you can build a Layens hive using Langstroth frames?

    • @SuburbanSodbuster
      @SuburbanSodbuster 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm guessing that what you mean by building a "Layens hive" is a horizontal hive, but using Langstroth frames. Yes, people do build "long Langstroth" hives - horizontal hives for deep Langstroth frames. The Layens frames are a different dimension, though, and I prefer the deeper Layens frames because they provide ample space for the bees to naturally store adequate resources for winter - something that can be more of a challenge on 9" deep Langstroth frames.

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