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22:22 I hate killa can

I finally realized that the reason why the non-campaign greek heroes are so strong compared to the other heroes is because they are all demigods...

Heavy GiantGrantGames inspiration :D He did this for several missions. Explaining the level while his hero went straight to the goal location, cutting his explanation prematurely.

23:24 - When I played this mission in Retold, I got my asse whooped by the enemy really hard. So I also figured out I can use trees to block the path, since I did that few times before in Skirmishes. I used two times trees on the two openings to the right where you put a wall. And then I went north and used the trees there too. But not before I sent my heroes and one Behemoth there. The idea was that I want to build my economy and army undisturbed, while my heroes will harass the enemy. And they ended up being super effective on that. I destroyed their entire base with just heroes and one Behemoth. First I baited myth units and killed them. Then I baited regular units and killed them. It was very close few times, but I also had the Behemoth to tank the damage, and it regenerated health. I realized I should have also sent at least one worker there before blocked the entrance with trees. But since I had the Traitor god power, I stole one of theirs. I built some towers and fortresses, as well as the economic building for lush to help with healing. During this whole time, I commanded Amanra to commit war crimes against the enemy workers every time she got the chance. Her initial attack after the jump deals massive damage, and she deals area of effect damage too in Retold. And enemy usually stacks his workers. So after she killed what feels like 80 workers... something that I didn't even plan happen, and the enemy AI shut down. Well, they probably ran out of resources. So then I sent my Behemoth to kill their town center, and it was over. I think it would be harder to pull this off on Titan, especially since when those Prometheans can't go through the southern pass to harass my base, they go north to join the enemy base and attack my heroes. Maybe they would be too much to deal with on Titan. But there is still one charge of Gaia's Forrest left. And I think that there is also a small pass that can be blocked, in case those Prometheans would be a problem. I didn't know I can heal the land using economic guilds instead of Town Centers... But is it really true you can do that? Because you said that downing the Titan took very long. But after you build two or three Town centers, the Titan drops his health dramatically. He's left with like 800 health or even less. Maybe you should have built real Town Centers and he would go down in health too.

21:50 - I cheesed this mission somehow organically. I saw your tier list video on heroes, and you said that Folstag takes almost no damage from the Titan, and can freeze him. That made me think: In a level where I need to defend and make sure not all villages are destroyed, you give me a hero who takes almost no damage from the Titan, and can periodically freeze him? Why not lock him out completely for the entire duration of waiting for the dragon? Well, the enemy has a base, that's why... But wait, I have a starting force, and a lot of heroes... and their base is very small and weak. So I rallied everyone I had on the start of the level, and went straight for the enemy. Folstag baited the Titan away, and kept freezing him. Rest of my force destroyed the enemy. And then I discovered, there is a Fountain of life in the enemy base, so I didn't even need to cast mine. So I just baited the Titan towards it, and kept attacking him with my starting heroes. I needed to keep sending them further away so they wouldn't die to a Titan, and would regenerate plus healed by the Fountain, but over time as I kept researching Armory upgrades, it was less and less necessary. I got surprised because one time, some kind of event triggered, and enemy spawned a force out of thin air on top of my guys. But luckily, I managed to clean them up. And it happened only once. And because I got tired of waiting, I produced an army of Godi, and downed the Titan way before the timer was up. They do less damage than Hersir, but Titan will not touch them, and you can fit way more of them around him. But if you don't play Retold, you don't have those. So Hersir are also a good choice.

I played the Retold version on Hard difficulty, and this level at 10:44 was the only hard one. You start in Herioc age without the ability to age up, and you are against 4 players (who have only 3 bases). And no matter which player I decided to attack first, or if I decided to defend, I couldn't. They always overwhelmed me. Then, I won by accidentally abusing the AI. I intermediately heroized all my starting force, built a transport ship, and sent them all with Kastor to the base on the left. When I arrived, a worker was already building a dock. I killed the dock (I think the worker escaped), and then I destroyed the southern gate guarding the relic. I didn't attack the northern gate which was closer to my landing, because there was Migdol there, and I didn't want to get unnecessary damage. They were two Scorpion men inside, but they did nothing against bunch of heroes. Then I returned with the relic, and got Earthquake. The "cheese" part was that after I returned, I noticed that for some reason, the enemy player with the base I stole the relic from got basically deactivated. He got so depressed after either losing the relic, getting 2 Scorpion men killed, or most likely, having his dock destroyed, that he refused to do almost anything after that. And that alleviated enough pressure from me that I could proceed normally. When the player on the right got into Mythic age, the player on the left finally got into Classical age. But didn't do anything after that anyway. The player on the right was still a huge threat, because he started with more buildings, had bigger army and economy... but I manage to bait some of his units out and kill them in choke points, and then waltzed in and used Earthquake and Tornado. After that, there was only one player left, and I was already stronger. Originally, I didn't realize that the enemy AI in campaigns basically never rebuilds lost buildings, no matter how much time and resources they have. After realizing that, devising a strategy to win is much easier.

22:10 - I played this mission in Retold. I don't remember if it's the same in the original, but in Retold, Gargarensis uses Meteor power against you twice. The first one I accidentally baited by Pegasus scout, so he targeted my ships before I unloaded the units, and I simply sailed away, so it missed me completely. But the second one, I don't know what exactly triggers it. It always happened shortly after I established my economy, and have nearly enough resources for Mythic Age. Then he targets my town center with meteors, and eleminates almost all workers, and by a bad luck, always destroyed my Egyptian catapults that I got in the beginning of the mission. Since you didn't mention the meteors, does it not happen here?

Wow. The strategy to build a corridor with walled off towers with heroes, town center and ranged units waiting at the end was brilliant. I never thought that towers and walls do much in this game, because siege damage downs them quickly, and if enemy has long range siege weapons at the back of his forces, you cannot defend against that, and all your buildings eventually die. But if you build what you did, the AI gets stupid and decides not to attack any buildings, and ignore being attacked by towers. I guess lots of strategies in this run are based on knowing how the AI will react.

12:00 - You have 15 towers on one screen. And I bet you have more towers near the other walled off sections. I thought the original game also had tower limit. I think it's 10 towers maximum in Retold.

Why are you lumping in campaign heroes? Literally no one cares about heroes that are used a few times and never seen again

Did anyone notice brokk and Eitri have insane passiv aura buffs vor your human infantries? Brokk increasing armor and Eitri slash and bludgeoning dmg. They deserve better than C ..

Ok i really have to say this a group of fire giants are able to take down a titan

Heracles is not the strongest? Then this video game is not worth playing. 😢

I did discover (the hard way) that Carcinos absolutely eats Scylla

I was with you until you put automatons at D tier. I personally don’t use them but if you put a bunch of them together, have the ability that allows your myth units to heal, and plant down the Hesperides tree they’re almost unkillable.

They really fucked up with the mummies and medusae..

The level where you have to cut Osiris's head out of the tree was impossible for me to complete even when not doing deathless. I played Retold version and not even the highest difficulty. Only hard difficulty. Despite the Mummies don't have instant kill attack, they somehow feel stronger. I think it's because retold version is probably over tuned. The Mummies will attack you while you are downing their temples in Rotold. When their temples hit 50%, they spawn a bunch of mummies and undead minions. When the temple is destroyed, it spawns like 6 Scarab and their on death AOE damage is insane. Some Starship Troopers shit that is. Also, there are three temples, not two. The third one is the lower left corner. I think it was like that in your version too, since the Mummies came after you despite killing two temples. Anyway, the anitial force I am given is not strong enough to do anything. When I go to destroy a Mummy temple, I manage it at the cost of my entire force. And then enemy party arrives for my base, including the Mummies from the other temples. They come basically at the same time. If my party is spent after the first temple, there is nothing I can do. I hoped I could somehow bait Mummies and enemy player to attack each other, but they never did. And if I don't attack the Mummy temple, then I can somehow hold the attacks, but the Mummy raids are stronger. And eventually, the enemy overwhelmes me, because he is relentless, attacks with masses of Mythic age units and siege weapons almost from the start, and keeps getting stronger. And on top of that, the Mummies. And the best part is, the gimmick of that level is that there is no gold in your base. You start in Heroic age and have a big gold bank, maybe 2000. But it is not enough. If you want either priests for healing, to deal with Mummies or to deal with the enemy myth units, or if you want to build towers and strongholds, or build army units, then you soon run out of gold. If you advance to Mythic Age immediately, you run out of gold (and food) even sooner, and you get crushed by the enemy and the Mummies for lacking resources. What I didn't try was to attack the Mummy temples before I get the base. I may try that. But seeing how freaking powerful those temples are, guarded by like 6 Mummies, 6 Scarabs and maybe 10 or 15 undead minions, not counting those spawned from your dead units, I don't have much hopes. I used cheat and skipped ahead, didn't have patience for this.

Well..if colossus appear it's pretty much game over for me

Cyclops now area damages with his base attack. That's a change :)

Make brook and etiri at either a or s, get 5 of them via cheat and you basically have every armor at 100% from brook and insane damage boost from etiri, like you would have an unkilable superpowered army.

nereids worth another point for coolness. shark riding is one of the coolest stupidities I've ever heard.

What about god Arkantos? He only appears in cinematics and the editor I believe, but since Osiris was there, might as well

Medusas are more powerful than ever actually. They have 21 range, a powerful range attack, they one shot human units from 21 meters away with their special, and they destroy buildings faster than anything. Clearly the best archer of the game both in dps, range, speed. They destroy both armies and buildings. Just 10 of the is a free win

This one

Kemsyt gets upgrades from both heroes and infantry as he is treated in original game, so with all infantry upgrades he gets quite powerful.

great video!

dude you are so friendly i want to be your friend

Bruh putting Walking Woods in B is crazy. Walking Woods is crazy when it comes to building damage. Watch any pro-play of Retold that use Norse Gods. They will all use Walking Woods to attack Town Centers and Fortresses because the numbers+damage does insane work against buildings.

It's like watching myself at 12 talking to my grandad about the game.

Yeah, the Chimera is underwhelming, but it comes with one of the best god powers and more archer upgrades for your Hades build.

Yeah the fenris pack buff isnt as meaty as it was before, but on the other hand they do move faster out of the box (maybe end up a roughly the same speed with a full pack, but means losing some doesnt handicap the survivors as much), and are more beefy indeed especially against pierce damage. They are still goddamn pirhanas once in a group against archers or villagers, and able to outrun anything they cant outfight. That, and now they cost food, which is far easier to procure than gold in the lategame they are a part of, meaning spamming/replacing them way easier and less costy, which may be their biggest buff. I think they could still use a SMALL buff somewhere (they are a myth age unit goddammit!), but I think they are in a much better place than they used to.

Dude ur so right about Aquiles, i never liked how he is basically just a stronger version of a regular cav unit, the guy that came from one of the most important pieces of greek mythology should be a damn terminator, or better give him super high defence to everything but projectiles, that would be myth accurate.

The way they pronounce Kamos now is the correct Greek pronunciation. Same thing with Colossi being the plural of Colossus. We were just used to bad transcriptions

This guy isn't even joking 😂🤣😎. This game looks interesting

In the middle of my first play through on hard difficultybut still with the most things i agree here expect the manticore and the anubite. And some others wich i will soon add here when i remmber what units

I think Achilles deserves to be a little higher. You get him early and his horse can get him around the map fast enough to scoop up a bunch of relics

great video and great attitude dude!

Isis Monuments get double favor when empowered. If worship Osiris then have your Son of Osiris (Age 4) empower moments for favor income will more than double and will generate to enough favor to get another Son of Osiris when its off cool down, then put him on monument as well and so on. Also worship Anubis (Age 2) for 25% favor generation. You can have 3 Son of Osiris within 10mins of hitting Age 4.

Should have made a God Tier so Supreme could be heroes like Arkantos and Gargar

I played all of the Titans campaign with pretty much destroyers only. It does feel like they were nerfed a little, but I dunno. I think a destroyer + fanatic + cheirobalista army would be super tough! You could have added the Guardian (statue) - definitely S-tier worthy. Don't remember if you added him in the myth unit tier-list or not Skult being in that tier is absolutely brilliant. Totally unexpected! Sad to hear this is the last tier list (for now), but I got my fill of tier lists (for now) I'd love the review! Also looking forward to the deathless run

No Asian factions.. Unacceptable for a big game :) Do they really want to sell it in Asia ?

You don't read the units stats, do you? Clearly the Hero Destroyer is very strong at attacking, even stronger that some heroes you put in C-Tier; doing 11.4 dps, times NINE on myths units, and times SIX on buildings Oo Plus that obvious 86% piercing armor you actually mentioned , it's a beast ! Some units also have divin damage too, it's pure damage which fully go through armors. Priests have that, and I love it !

sounds like kael thas (blood mage) from warcraft 3 ult abilty tbh

Hey! Medusa's are S Tier by far. Sniping Critical Myth Units is absolutely fantastic and you gave them an F grade? Haha. They actually are superb, Just 10 Medusa's is enough to cut the enemy forces in half.

I think you're REALLY underselling the civilization specific god power cheats. If you're looking for a specific power, they're just objectively better than Pandora's/Zeno's. Honestly, I can't really think of a situation where I'd want to ever use the less consistent ones outside of just gambling.

Putting literal gods in the “not god” tier

Why was the old favor system bad?

Buff Medusas, Crab boys, and Chimeras Nerf Nemean lions when theyre in groups 😅

I know this game is intentionally inaccurate, but i never get the greek hero groups. Bellerophontes was actually a grandson of Posseidon and in the game he's in the Zeus pool. Perseus was actually son of Zeus and he is in the Hades pool. Why? Harecles is ok in the game, but he should be the strongest one. I mean Heracles should have giant hack and some divine dmg. His 1.2 attack speed is ok but should have more hp and multiplier to myth units. Achilles should have regen and giant armor of all types and not so big flat hack dmg but good dps with about 0.75 attack speed but less multiplier to myth units. He is also in the Hades pool but he should in the Zeus pool due to his companions the myrmidons who were summoned by Zeus and in the beggining Achilles was favoured by Zeus. If there is no chance to Zeus pool then Posseidon pool. His mother Thetis was a nymph and sea godess at least she relates to Posseidon in some way. Back to Heracles without doubt he is the greatest heros of all time, actually the times of heroes ended with him. And you said only Gods allowed to S tier. Heracles was a demigod and became god. He was the only heros who entered the Olympos and became immortal. Yes he became a god and he was worshiped in Asia minor mainly. Man Heracles beated Ares and bondaged him into a keg! He actually can beat in HtH the injustify god of war! In strength he is in the same level as the Titan Atlas! Of course in an RPG he would have weaknesses like 3 intelligence:D But to be fair all the greatest myth heroes had 65 IQ like Thor and Samson.

It's a shame the Greek heroes are so underdeveloped. I mean it's borderline criminal on how weak Heracles is when he could have been a decent demigod hero with a strong knockback or ground smash ability so he could live up to his olympian level of strength. But I guess you aren't supposed to outshine the main character.