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Old-School Gays
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2020
Gay Life in the Twentieth Century
The Poets and The Sailors
Federico Lorca, Hart Crane, Luis Cernuda and Their Seafaring Friends
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Who Torched the GAA Firehouse? Exercise your detective skills!
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Arson attack on the Gay Activist Alliance in 1974
Black Leathermen
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Cain Berlinger examines the situation of a double minority a minority within a minority
Christopher and West in the 1970s, Revised Version
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The charmed time between the Stonewall Rebellion and the AIDS crisis
Growing Up Gay: Philadelphia, 1953--a 14-year-old Discovers Drag
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Growing Up Gay: Philadelphia, 1953 a 14-year-old Discovers Drag
Point Lookout, Long Island: New York's Hottest Gay Beach in 1948
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Drag Shows, Doin' the Jitterbug, Doin' the Dunes
Gay Crimes: Loitering, Vagrancy, Disorderly Conduct
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Misdemeanor arrests the real punishment was the public shaming
Love in a Pup Tent
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The Gay Subplot in James Jones's "The Thin Red Line" (1962)
What i Learned at the National Homophile Conference--Kansas City, 1966
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The Homophile Beat
The Undesirables: Hoodlums, Homos and the New York Times
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The newspaper of record missed the Stonewall riots
Wittgenstein's Tears: Love and the Other Minds Problem
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Ludwig Wittgenstein and Francis Skinner, 1932-1941
Beefcake Behind Bars: Physique Mags and the Law, 1940s-1967
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Beefcake Behind Bars: Physique Mags and the Law, 1940s-1967
Three Camp Novels 1932 1966: Camp is Gay Soul
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Three Camp Novels 1932 1966: Camp is Gay Soul
Josiah Flynt Willard and his report "Homosexuality Among Tramps"
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Josiah Flynt Willard and his report "Homosexuality Among Tramps"
You tell well.
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm twenty + years younger than you, but experienced a lot of the same things.
A stark reminder of why society was so reluctant to accept gay individuals in the past-many of the spaces associated with them in the 1970s were deeply degenerate and evoke a sense of disgust.
Very nice. Thank you. Just a few comments in Cernuda's poem "Sailors are the wings of love" you translate "Rubios" as "blue" when it's "blonde" and that's a very important adjective to the poetic shock of the poem as "blonde eyes" and "blonde sea" are an illustration to the meaning of a blonde man. Also Cernuda's poem to the death of Lorca included a last verse mentioning homosexual desire but it was censored by the Republican government, that's interesting because it shows that we've always been prosecuted, from left and right and from above, and the only place where we are free is hell.
thanks, homopolitan_ai. yes, 'rubio' means blond, not 'blue'; but 'his eyes are blond like the sea' doesn't seem like good english to me. i thought of translating it as 'bright', but settled on 'blue'. poetry is mostly untranslatable, you just have to make an approximation; but in the clip i show the spanish text so viewers can see for themselves. i understand the suppressed stanza in cernuda's elegy was the fourth stanza, but would like to learn more about that.
Rather than seeking out the company of academics at Columbia, Lorca wanted to explore Harlem. A friend took him to a party and he made friends by sitting down at their piano and playing and singing Spanish ballads. Several of the poems of The Poet in New York attempt to portray African American experience and racial tension.
hi, alan altimont--yes, this was peak harlem renaissance, and lorca went to the dinner at nella larsen's, where he likely was introduced to harlem luminaries. but there was a language barrier; lorca's english was limited. there couldn't be much exchange of ideas with the nella larsen crowd. in "poet in new york" you find lots of reference to harlem, especially "the king of harlem", but it's hard to know what to make of it. it's mostly incomprehensible, and you have to wonder about the ms the editors were using. you get a clear description of harlem in lorca's conferencia, "poeta en nueva york" published in the obras completas.
@@hughhagius725 It's been several years since I have read those poems, but what you say about "The King of Harlem" comports with what I remember of that poem--a kind of fantasia that had little grounding in his actual experience, though he seems to have identified with the "otherness" of the African American situation. Nice job, by the way. Too bad our not knowing more about his encounter with Crane. Then there is the fearful symmetry of their tragic ends.
So sorry for these gays from the past. Do you think our society will go back to that time? Where we could not be ourselves?
no, we will never go back. you can't put the genie back in the bottle
fascinating stuff! thank you for this video essay
Around 5:20 - the university is Washington University in St. Louis. Great video!
hi cjfjapan1--thanks for checking out some of my old clips! i hope you find more of them
If they were around today, Lorca, Crane, and Cernuda would be sad to realize that today's "gay community" scarcely, if at all, bother with fine gay literature. Instead, they live for Bling, Sex, and Escapism. That is their tough luck. We who love poetry thank you. There can never be enough lovers of poetry. "By this, and this only, we have survived."
thanks for the comment. we have some wonderful gay poets. housman. wilde...
Thank you very much for producing this video and telling this story
Bravíssimo!
Absolutely fascinating. Thanks for this story.
Very nicely done. Thank you kindly.
i'm glad you liked it!
Thank you for saving our history so that all our children will have a past. We need never feel alone.
Very illuminating and touching!
thank you, rictor!
Amazing sequence, thank you. ~~ Re your vlog on NYT, it was madly homophobic Abe Rosenthal who wrecked careers at the NYT. Abe was a sinister -- evil -- person. In all sorts of ways.
Vlog, "The Undesirables."
Interesting video. But perhaps have a Ricola?
it's not a beautiful voice, but it's a real voice
@hughhagius725 be that voice no matter how rough, it is the voice of all of us, it is the voice of experiences lost to history, and there is beauty in its strength.
thank you, paco
I like his voice
A very enjoyable and touching video indeed, thank you for including the translations of the poems.
Terrific video, thanks for the history!
Unsurprisingly, Washington supported the fascists that took over Spain and merdered Lorca along with so many others throughout the following decades.
Beautiful, I'm off to read the poems and books you reminded me of and the ones I'd not known.
hi, irangel1958! cernuda has a beautiful poem beginning "if a man could speak his truth..."
I could not have enjoyed this more. Thank you for putting it together and providing it to us to watch. Take care and Happy New Year. DA
happy new year, donaldauguston! thanks for your kind comment
Great Stuff !!
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very nice! thanks, leftatalbuquerque.
I just love hearing about older gay men and their lives, we young gays need to hear stories like these, thanks so much for sharing! You were such a cutie 🥰
20:00 It’s interesting, that once monetary damages were available, all these lawsuits came about. It was about monetary gain.
exactly. lots of phony victims bankrupting the dioceses
@ -Very true! The Catholic Church doesn’t even fight these claims. My best friend’s wife’s hairstylist, knew someone who made up a claim, and got $80,000 from the diocese in Boston
many of the claims are based on "recovered memories"
Homophobia only got worse after the 1950’s.
It didn't get worse, it got more visible, which was a reaction to gay people becoming more visible
Thank you for recording our history.
Who actually owned the firehouse? I would suggest it was an insurance scam. The rents from such a large building would be minimal at the time and it might have been more valuable to burn it, get the insurance and redevelop. What is the building now? Trace the ownership line and I think you might find the arsonist.
@@Gendergoblin123 my thoughts too!
The Times said: "The owner, Bianca Bernie, could not be reached concerning the building's value or insurance, but members of the Gay Activist Alliance said the firehouse has been offered to them for $175,000 three years ago." The rent was $1,500 a month, and the dances paid the rent.
@hughhagius725 fascinating...you might research Ms. Bernie.
How dare you!!! Terrorist friendly Nashville or New Orleans??? Really!!! That’s hate speech. Though there was no arrest in New Orleans, everyone knows the fire that killed 32 people was caused by an angry patron - A GAY MAN - so why don’t you talk about gay terrorists??? I’m so sick of gays slandering the south when they don’t know what they are talking about! And yes, I am a gay southerner!!! Learn your history before you produce videos that just create more hate!
thanks for the correction. i didn't know that about the upstairs lounge fire
Mafia insurance fraud or someone wanting the building or cut competition. Great to see a new video from u!
Love this channel and the history it teaches. I would guess it was a hater with a chip on their shoulder. So much violence towards the community...both then and now. It can be hard to learn about our past as it is filled with bigotry, ignorance and hate. But we will survive and find joy! I wish I had been at one of the dances, the pictures look like everyone was having fun.
That little boy with the glasses was cute❤
Another thought provoking video from this excellent channel with good suggestions of names and topics for further reading. I find all your videos an interesting survivors view point. I hope you are motivated and spared to make many more. From a mid century childhood to gay base ball leagues. While many of us will have names "writ in water". hopefully your videos will excite younger gays for many decades to come.
golly, thank you, pm! i wish long life and happiness to you as well
Thank you for sharing. I was born Catholic, but I left Catholicism at the age of 10 to never returned. Today I am married to a men, by the United Church of Canada. I also lived in Utah for 8 years. I was married to a woman, and served a 2 years full time mission by the Mormons. My 3 daughters left the mormon church, and only one belongs to a fundamentalist church, the others two don't have nothing to do with religion. I believe in God, but I am not particularly interested in religion at all. I am 70 years old, happy, and in peace with my life.
that's quite a journey, chiusacan! i'm glad you found happiness and peace
This is a phenomenal record to have. Thank you so much for sharing it with us, it's so important that we don't forget that our rights were won with both strategy and community.
glad to see you're getting into gay history, erraticonteuse!
13:11 Tijuana Bibles! Those are a fascinating little corner of history in their own right.
tijuana bibles were fun. we passed them around until they fell to pieces. couldn't let the grown-ups catch us with them, of course
So happy to have found this channel! I'm a bisexual woman and I'm helping a gay friend open a non-alcoholic gay bar. I wanted to dig more into Frances Willard's lesbianism and activism for a bit of historical flavor (and possible WCTU approved mocktails) on the menu! I love all little-known corners of queer history and am going to subscribe ❤
great to have you visit the old-school gays channel, erraticonteuse! we've got lots more in the pipeline!
I can't catch a ball either, I was always put in the outfield, I wore and still wear glasses and really couldn't see well enough to play anything with a ball involved, LOL. I like the arts as well, and sing only older songs from the 30s - 60s. I watch only older movies from B/W and movies from the 30s - the 60s and maybe some very early 70s movies.
i played pigtail, which meant chasing the ball if the outfielders didn't catch it and it rolled down the hill
Hi, I just subscribed to your channel, I'm going to like it here, wink. I'm a 63 year old gay male and I knew I was gay from very young as well.
hi tony! welcome to the old-school gays channel, we've got lots of clips up and lots more in the pipeline!
There is nothing wrong with any child being interested in a play stove. It is not necessarily just a toy for girls. There are many male chefs on shows on the Food Network. Both my Dad and maternal grandfather enjoyed cooking for their family.
i agree!
How did they know if you were gay if you didn’t tell them . Busy with wars
they could figure it out
Hugh, thanks so much for the Old School Gays channel! You provide valuable insight into 20th-century Gay life and culture. And thanks to you and Cain Berlinger for this intriguing look at Black Leathermen. You've exposed us to a part of Gay culture that some of us might not have been aware of. Kudos!
Wyatt, thank you so much!
"A house divided cannot stand" sage advice! We see similar duality in transphobia in LGBTQ+ community today.
I'm completely confused. I was missing the reason why the Leather Community needs representation within the political system and because of this I immediately assumed that I had mistaken what this community was about. So I looked it up immediately because it's important to answer every question you have to be as correctly informed as possible. What I found is exactly what I thought it was so not I'm twice as confused. I was thinking that there were social issues that were part of the community's activism pursuits and other political and social endeavors, but I didn't find anything resembling that. I was left believing that it is a sexual preference that, like most other specific preferences are in the minority, therefore the need for actions in which nurturing and mentorship as well as member activities and the like are an important foundation. This is all wonderful and healthy but I'm still missing the connection between a sexual preference and the need for a political position representing the sexual choice. Please be respectful in answering, my friends out in TH-cam Land. I did a reasonable amount of homework and I haven't passed judgement nor given opinion on any aspect of this claim that I am questioning through genuine curiosity. I'm asking because the reason matters to me and I understand that no one is more qualified to provide facts behind the truth than people who live it or are part of the community. Thank you in advance! I love your channel, Sir!
How am I the first person to "like" the comment above, posted 16 hours ago? Even if you disagree with the conclusion, one must admire the process of thought described above. For the record, I don't disagree with the conclusion
hi, combatgirl! thanks for your comment. sexual preference and political choice are connected because majorities sometimes attempt to impose their own preferences on everyone, and have to be resisted by political means
What gorgeous men, it was much more difficult to be gay but they sure looked great
there also was the fun of belonging to a secret society--the gay people were hip, the straight people were clueless
@@hughhagius725 I get that, I had a small taste of that feeling when I first came out
Wow---I had no idea about this beach. I'd been to Long Beach a few times too but this seems like a moment in time...and a point further east than where the train lets people off.
hi brian--i'm not sure exactly where the gay beach at lookout point was, and i don't know when it faded away and riis beach became the gay center. fire island was already gay in the 1930s--Levi Strauss writes about it in Tristes Tropiques
Nice work. Easy to follow. Well done. May I make one point if you are going to report history in sight and sound? My friend Robert's last name rhymes with "MAY POLE" -thorpe. It doesn't rhyme with "apple." Thank you.
thanks for the correction, Redgrave95472, and i'm glad you liked the cllip
In a way censorship was good, because it forced studios to hire the best and most handsome models. Many bodybuilders stopped posing when frontal nudes became legal. Today, the mags that sold for 35 cents are going for $5 or more. I should have saved my collection!
I remember buying TOMORROW'S MAN mags for 35 cents in the late 1950s. I hid them because I was embarrassed to be seen reading them.