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In every clip i see of Armada gameplay; armada's opponent is always playing bad, or rather worse than how they would play in 2023/2024. In the first clip plup plays neutral pretty slow and when he gets a down throw on fox, he drops it almost immediately. Then not much later, plup air dodges INTO the stage for a very uncharacteristic SD. This is a trend I see everytime i look up and watch Armada clips or compilations. The opponent is always ALWAYS playing poorly. (In comparison to how they would play in 2023/2024) I once saw a clip where Armada loses neutral to mang0, but mang0 drops the combo and gets stuck in a STANDING LASER, in which Armada obviously punishes (as any unranked joe would) and that made it into a "top 10 best Armada moments" video. Armada is an INSANE player for his time, but times have changed. What was once impressive is now the norm.

hbox approached all game while the peach loser got hwat he deservedd

I like the thought process of seeing wobbling as a kill move rather than a combo. But I think the main argument towards banning wobbling is that it is a kill move that works at every %, on every character, on every stage, anywhere on the stage. It works at ledge at 100%, and it works at 0% at center stage. If you want to use puff up throw rest as a comparison, that ko's characters on different stages at different % ranges, depending on stage position. Obviously I'm not saying there's no counterplay, you know how counterplay works. But having a kill move that ko's any opponent no matter the character, percent, stage, or position on that stage, makes wobbling an immediate threat that if you make a small mistake you can lose your stock at any point, no matter what.

Can Fox dtilt hit Nana frame 7? Or is it too far back?

to all the scrubs in the chatter here. this stuff will not make you better at melee.

EU players were invented to end up in conflict with hbox

Which Bundesland do you live in Germany?

Anyone know the name of the song at 25:20 ?

This is really cool. I didn't realize how many other things were affected by the z axis. I think most of the counter play things, especially with Yoshi, are negligible. Utilt doesn't come out till frame 8, and if Fox jump cancels shine on frame 4, they will be out of range. And with that sort of timing to start utilt on the exact frame of your opponents shine, you have a more forgiving window to parry. Same with dtilt on grab. I think the z axis is one of the elements that makes melee a beautiful accident. Like what you alluded to at the end. I very much enjoy your perspective!

Why are smash players such whinny losers in game and irl lmao

ARRRMAAAADDDAAA!!!!!

Always felt like Peach airdodge was better than people said it was. That's cool.

nana is the primary climber in the ICs clip ;) in a progressive world we can't always blame the female for the dumb cpu behavior

Learned a lot from this video😅poor yoshi

He got Z-Axised! He mad!

it's dumb that puff can crouch marths grab XD, I'm glad that guy threw a crab at hbox

I am down to try PAL. If it was an option in slippi I would

I think the yoshi grab missing some characters is intentional, thats an understood part of creating a 2.5 D game

Legalize flatzone. We've been omitting part of the game: walk offs

melee has evolved so much that we need to transcend to the third dimension to analyze the game

I mean interpolation always helps because it’s covers all the space between the two frames

This is why Flatzone should be legal

Yo what if there was just a universal fixed code in slippi and u try it out just in like an online bracket. If people like it a lot they could start bringing it to locals to try also

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So what you're saying is we should legalize Flat Zone

As a puff player this scares me as its my only enemy that can out space bairs and crouch rest ocasionally dosent work 😭😭😭

Z-axis is an important mechanic many characters use to avoid otherwise bad situations. It comes up quite alot in labbing out neutral. Its how several characters work around puff bair spam. Why on earth would we want puff hitting more rests and bairs? Hell no lol

19:53 what the fuck

I used the 3rd dimension to my advantage in battle.

If BKC and Nicki can both get on a weekday upload schedule my productivity will reach unforeseen heights. Great video, I listened to like 96% of it (actual calculated estimate) audio only but I could envision it all lmao. Z-axis is kinda epic it's just not that epic in ways I particularly love lol. Like many things in Melee I think it's cool and very wonky. It would probably be a "better" game IMO if everything were flattened out, but changing these sorts of things is quite frightening to me because of that slope over there that looks awfully slippery.

I'm loving the content, I would suggest maybe adding a little structure and being a little more concise to make things more digestable. I understand that that means more editing on your part and if you're not up for that that's understandable. I just think your video's could benefit from it. It's great nonetheless, keep it up.

Awesome video