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Yeah. I think my desire to express the feeling I get from efoiling to others is likely the main reason I make content for this channel. This is the song that captured the feeling and beauty of being out there alone on the water. So good!

While I'll agree, there does seem to be a lot of people with some experience with a single brand and often have negative things to say about all others, its an over-generalization to say they are ALL jerks. I've found lots of people with strong opinions with little actual experience in every camp. I don't have a horse in this race so I don't care. If I've gotta pick a side, I'll choose my audience and try to make content that benefits and supports them over a brand.

Whenever I get a new wing I gotta test it with all my combos to see what interesting things happen. The 32 Glide is my newest and I really like the 100 Surf V2 / 32 Glide. It's wicked fast and zippy.

@@VerdantRide i need to try one of the carve wings. They seem to fly under the radar. I don’t hear anyone mention them

Thanks. I was looking for a good buddy surf song but the riding that day was just so aggressive, it called for a NIN B-side.

Thanks… I'm usually cruising in the mid 20s mph. Yes, I'm almost always jamming the tunes when I ride.

@@VerdantRide What kind of headphones? Also, reach out when you come to Maui, we'll take you on some coast runs!!!!

@@tonydail5635 I learned to surf in Maui when I was 9. It will always be a special place for me. My son wants to go hiking on a different island for our next trip to Hawaii but I'll definitely drop you a line the next time I've got a trip planned to Maui.

That was the standard, "loss of power for absolutely no good reason," issue that every Lift board I've ever owned has been guilty of doing at strangely random times. I can go 5 rides with no issue and then have three power-loss issues in one ride. At least when it happens my board stops immediately so you can see that when I come to the surface holding my controller and my camera (not really able to do much to cover my face since my hands are so full) my board is a good 20 feet behind me. I was probably doing 25+ since I was in the middle of a carve when this happened. This is why I recommend fixed prop on all flat/freshwater builds and only using folding/gliding props specifically for unpowered wave riding, and even then I recommend a foilboard over an efoil because it is just a better experience.

I had this happen yesterday. My board just powered off for no reason at all. Makes me very apprehensive about ever riding around on anything above 10 for extended periods

Mine has not done the sudden shut down thing for over a year. i thought i hit a log the the first time happened. just get back on your board and carry on. last year it happened several times, this year not at all.

@@NeilSeaver It's just nice soft water. You'll be fine.

Excellent video, thank you sir!

This was shot last year August 25th. I went today without a wetsuit, just a neoprene hoodie and I was totally comfortable. Our lakes get pretty warm and stay that way till mid September.

Well, the 4th got totally rained out this year so I think we're doing it on Labor Day.

@@VerdantRide ROFL, good point, I am an organ donor too but am hoarding my organs from those terminal kids. Maybe they should ask their parents, they are not my responsibility. I'm sure a bunch of kids out there were rooting against me. I heard someone say recently that you should not try to eject until your board hits the water so you are not jumping off while the board is foiling which I had not heard before. Is that something you would recommend? Basically they said to reduce speed and once the board hits the water then bail. I'm not too confident in this situation if that would have worked but curious to hear your thoughts.

Thanks for sharing the story. Sorry you had such a disaster on the water. Sounds like it sucked. You've got a lot we can learn from your story. I've been playing around with stances since I posted this show. Midline is easier in the sense that you get great control over carves with tiny movement in ankles BUT it is significantly riskier when things go wrong. I went from never having close calls or ever landing on the same side as the foil to several times when I found myself unable to choose my ejection trajectory and coming down way too close to the stabby parts. I also noticed that I was getting just less feedback from the board when riding midline. It is just harder to feel those moments when the board is starting to misbehave and had a bunch of those falls where the board in an unrecoverable state before I noticed anything going wrong. Stuff I agree with: 1. If not dying is important to you, helmets and a PFD that will keep you upright when unconscious is the only thing you should consider. All other floatation methods are about recovering your body easily, not saving your life. 2. If you feel the board doing something strange, it is always better to eject early and get as far away from the board than to negotiate with the board. I think this is how I've ridden so fast and so hard without even a single close call in 4 years. Eject early if anything feels unexpected to you. You can always Kaper Call your board back to you and keep going and there's no shame in falling. I opt to eject at least once on at least half of my rides. Sometimes, when trying something new or deflowering a new wingset, I eject several times. The key thing to keep in mind is that I "eject" a lot, but I "fall" rarely. The difference is an "eject" is controlled and something I chose to do. Most of my "falls" are due to unexpected stuff like when I get a power loss and get flung off the board. 3. Keep covered until you hear everything go calm, and then count to 10 (or 25 if your internal clock speed is as fast as mine). Then slowly take a peek though around while still remaining covered and tread water doing a 360 before going all clear. Stuff I disagree with: 1. I don't think that your speed was the problem so much as the way you dealt with the unexpected breach. Higher speeds aren't inherently more dangerous than slower speeds. I've seen many close calls from riders riding too slow more than I have riders riding at high speeds. That wing can hurt you by falling on it at any speed. Each maneuver needs the appropriate speed to pull off successfully. When I'm in a course my speed variation is surprisingly varied. I often come into a pylon in the low 30s (mph) and by the end of the turn drop down to 14 mph. That's over a 50% loss to inertia Then I increase my speed back up within a matter of seconds. This is much more variation in speed than any other type of slalom racing I've ever done. I think learning to feather the throttle was the hardest thing to master on the efoil because you must create significant muscle memory between what your finger is doing on the throttle, and then feel all the changes that is making to the board and adjust your knees, hips, ankles, spine, neck, shoulders and even where your arms so that they all align with the changes to the speed. Is like mastering everything necessary to racing a snowboard while also winning a slot car race. 2. I don't recommend helmets but do recommend being an organ donor. If you love helmet laws you do so exposing your hatred of children dying from kidney failure. This causes me to ask, why do you hate terminally ill children? What did they ever do to you? :P

@@VerdantRide Thanks man, I appreciate the info. The Fliteboard manual and guides all recommend the staggered stance so that is what I have always done too. What I am interested in hearing more about is the unexpected power loss falls as that is what still scares me as I don't feel I have any control over those types of falls. My recent injury I should have ejected earlier and hopefully would been in enough control to get in a better position. I live on a River which does not have the best water clarity so when I had my prop guard on I could basically hit a leaf underwater and come crashing down. Once I took my guard off this was very rare but a few times something clung to the mast and resulted in a power loss however much less severe and usually didn't result in a fall. I am hesitant to get back out there once I am healed up as the unexpected falls and power loss are what concern me the most as it happens so quick and unexpectedly its tough to fall correctly and usually end up front of the board. Luckily whenever this has happened in the past the board stops and I am flung far in front without incident. Do you have any tips for letting go of the trigger? I obviously always try to do this but in this case I'm assuming I didn't and that's why I got drilled. That's good to know about the speed, I'm just picturing the board smashing my head in at 30 versus 18 mph and that obviously seems more dangerous haha. In my experience when I'm going 12mph~ I always bail perfectly and the quicker you crash the harder it is to be prepared. Thanks again for the info, you have 100x more experience than I do so great to get a perspective from someone who has been doing this longer. I definitely want to get back out there once my stiches come out but want to avoid any other injuries, if it happens again it's not worth it (well except for the kids).

@@matthewharris9873 My ejection process isn't something I can likely accurately describe because I think I've moved all that processing over to my unconscious nervous system so it is now more of a reflex than a calculated maneuver at this point. I'm not going to think about it too much because it has kept me safe for probably 1000+ ejections by now and if it ain't broke, don't make it worse by trying to improve it. When I do choose to ride out a breach, my method is to react quickly but be carful to not over-react. I want you to visualize the scene where Indiana Jones where he trades the bag of sand for the Golden Skull. You gotta be ready for the inertia to change quickly but you want all your movements to be slight. If you panic and drop your speed too low, your entry will be terrible. If you react too slowly, a boulder will fall from the ceiling to crush you. So when I hear that prop spinning in the air, I allow my knees to bend so that even though the board is rising, I'm not. This lets me get closer to the board so I have the ability to adjust higher or lower when I renter, I relax my finger slightly. How much, I cannot say, but some for sure. I'd say that I put my body in position here I'm as close to a 50% ROM so that I can adjust everything on entry giving more or less to anything depending on what is needed. Predicting what the board will do is the hardest part and you kinda gotta be ready to anything the board needs from you. I'm not a fan of jumping efoils. I've yet to see anyone pull off something that looks cool and smooth consistently. When I was a wakeboarder, I commonly jumped wake to wake launching 8 feet high and landing on the down ramp so smoothly that I barely had to take any of the force in my knees. It looked rad and gave me so much time to pull off spins and rolls and flips that it made wakeboarding a sport was almost 100% about arial maneuvers when crossing the wake. eFoils just aren't (currently) able to do this kind of thing and won't be able to until the weight and friction approaches a foil board. So many riders send me clips of their jumps on an efoil and I watch them land looking like a wounded duck on their recovery that I'm just at a loss how they think this looks cool. Of course if I were a nice person I'd just tell them what they want to hear, but I'm an honest person so I don't. It's better to be an asshole with integrity than a nice liar (IMHO). Nice liars are how we get RayGun and Australia becomes the laughing stock at the Olympics. I also think that it should be noted that I only ride with fixed props, not folding/gliding props. I want my board to stop DEAD and not chase me around. I only ride a folding prop when I'm in the ocean and want to ride waves unpowered. Frankly, the unpowered experience isn't great because efoils are heavy and even the best folding/gliding props are crap when compared to a foil board without a prop/motor/battery that I'd say they aren't worth the cost and added danger of a board that is more likely to hunt you down after a fall. When I hear sellers trying to push a folding/gliding prop to flat-water riders, I'm just shaking my head. I shake my head a lot when I hear setups that just make no fucking sense. NOBODY SHOULD EVER BUY A 28" MAST EVER! The Lift4 Pro also provides me extra safety because when the prop stops spinning, it usually always hits with the nose at such a steep angle it is more likely to go under water than to keep chasing me should I have an unexpected powerless and I go flying forward. I've had MANY of those famous Lift mid-ride powerless crashes and while flying through the air would look back and see my board was already half underwater after crashing down at 90˚ stopping DEAD that I'd be willing to argue that the Lift Pro is in many ways the safest of all the boards they make. My Sport is much more likely to land with the nose at an angle where some forward momentum is possible. I'd expect that the added wight and length of even larger boards is even higher, making them more likely to come after you and hit you with more force than smaller and lighter boards.

@@VerdantRide My mast is the standard mast Fliteboard offers which is 29.5". I considered the 32" but they recommended that for ocean wave riding, you're right though, better to have that extra height and not use it and give some extra cushion to prevent unexpected breaches. With the fliteboard controller it has 30 speeds so I don't really use the trigger and just press the buttons to go slower or faster. Since there is no reason to feather the trigger to modulate speed its easier to unconsciously keep your grip on the controller when you fall which is an issue. I have ridden a lift foil before and the ergonomics of the controller are so different it doesn't really allow you to utilize it the same way as the Fliteboard controller. There are pros and cons to each but I'll definitely be trying to use it more like the lift controller in the future so my grip isn't locked. The other thing I like about the standard Fliteboard prop is it is plastic unlike the metal lift props. That way if it comes in contact with your leg or something it will break and cause less damage than the metal props. Agreed though, I originally planned on getting a folding prop to ride behind surf boats but the board is just too heavy, I would rather get into manual foiling eventually. I'm too obsessed with Wake surfing at the moment to take time off for foiling though...maybe next summer. Thanks again for the comments and info, definitely helping me mentally prepare to get back out there. Take care and appreciate all the hard work in the videos and education.

No kidding! When doing research for this show I was super amazed to discover the lack of waterproof options. I checked in with a colleague who is a sports medicine orthotics specialist and he has created custom braces for watersports. He showed me a bunch photos of some really beautifully engineered carbon fiber knee braces he's made for patients. But dang, making one of these is a lengthly process and extremely expensive. He suggested I look into the DonJoy Defiance. I think for a patella brace, you'll find that most of these will perform pretty well even when wet: www.donjoystore.com/knee-injuries?injuries=479

Thanks so much!

Sounds great. I don't usually leave here in the summer because, well, got 3 months of paradise but perhaps in the 7-9 month log winter I could bum a board if your weather hold better than MN later or earlier in the the season.

Thanks

Video the drone is set to a preprogrammed path at 23.5 MPH so I'd guess I'm traveling somewhere around that. Perhaps slightly more since I'm keeping pace while carving. The drone slows down as it gets to key points in the program like when it takes sharp turns or when it comes into dock. There it might be going as slow as 15-17 mpg. Then I try my best to go wide so it can keep me in frame.

Pump more

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand. If I ride too high I absolutely breach. In the scenes where I'm riding high and don't breach it is simply because I didn't ride too high where breaching would happen. Do you have a 28" or 32" mast?

Pump what more? The board? It's an efoil, pumping does nothing.

@VerdantRide I ride a Foil inc board 28 inch mast with an armstrong wing setup 1550/220glide ride about 16 to 18mph Just trying to see best way to judge your height on the water

@@sc5102day Taller mast makes breaching much less likely. So I only ride a 32"

I've got one major reservation with Flite and that is their required maintenance schedule every 100 hours. For me, that means sending my board in every 33.3 days and that is simply unsustainable. One of the reasons I like eFoiling is that it is much lower maintenance than owing a wake boat. If Flite is really requiring this kind of overhaul at this this regular a schedule, it would be the highest maintenance product I've ever owned.

Thanks. I'm glad to be a benefit to my audience.

Are you comparing the Flite Pro to a Lift Pro or a different model? I ask because everything I ride larger than a Pro seems clunky, this includes the standard (classic) Fliteboard I took for a spin last year.

@@VerdantRide I believe any larger board will feel clunky. And I’m not as familiar with the designations of size with Lift, but yes, we ride Flite Pro’s, and honestly, have considered adding an Ultra for down the road because we love the hard turns, and as you know, swing weight matters. My son rode the 4’9” Lift and liked it fine. I think the Flite Ultra L2 with a folding prop and long carbon mast would be incredible in the surf, weighs under 40lbs with a Nano battery! There’s a video on TH-cam of an expert riding it in the surf at Byron Bay for 1 1/2 hours and only using 50% of the Nano battery. It’s my favorite Fliteboard video ever! Check it out sometime and see if you don’t want to go on vacation to Byron Bay. Or move there.🤣

They are fishing shirts, so the hook is kinda their thing. It would be awesome if they made a VR shirt.

I've got very limited experience with HA. More for wave riding than carving IMO.

I love my 36 Glide. It is very very smooth and my favorite pair with both the 160 Camber Pro and 100 Surf V2 specifically for freestyle carving. I have learned to control the 32 Glide (seriously gonna start calling it the "32 S-Glide") and when paired with my 100 Surf V2, I'm nailing the course much tighter and faster than any other wing combo I've tried. So I rank the combos as A. 160 CamberPro/36Glide = Highest G-Force deep banking carves (most smooth and consistent high-speed carves but must maintain momentum due to high drag of the camber) B. 100 SurfV2/36Glide = Most fun and versatile freestyle carver (allows for more variation of speed and maneuvers than all other combos) C. 100SufV2/32S-Glide = Most technically accurate at high speed slalom maneuvers (very digital banking, very limited operable speed tolerance, dropping below about 15mph results in stall, so only useful for racing) These findings are only my own observations based on my riding style, body weight, gravitation forces on my like, etc.Duh! You have a battery that doesn't fit in your freak'n board??? WTF??? - I don't understand. All their batteries are standard size are they not?

@@VerdantRideapparently they had some batteries come out a few mm to tall. So it hits the top of the hatch when closing and doesn’t allow a proper seal. They gave me 2 options - 1- a new battery or 2- a new seal. In order to get a new battery I would have to show them me exposing of old one by removing gasket and dunking in water. So I went with the new seal that is slightly taller. I haven’t installed it yet as instead I put 1/16in foam tape on the hatch and it now has been bone dry last few rides. Weird issue but they were really quick to respond and get a solution. They already had this taller seal tape (it’s barely taller maybe 1/32in) and said it is a known manufacturing issue that happens sometimes. So anytime someone says their hatch is getting a lot of water see if they are getting battery marks on the hatch lid from pressing into the battery. That’s where I found out my issue. Thanks for the feedback on the wings really appreciate it! 😊

@@ScarBear828 Whoa! I would have demanded a new battery. That type of manufacturing defect just isn't acceptable.

Nope… Always been on Lift. I too would like to make a direct comparison with comparable models.

I swear I'm having trouble detecting sarcasm. I know you must be being facetious. I've ridden Fliteboards. I thought they were pretty quiet. Maybe not as quite as my Lift4 Pro, but certainly no saw, skilled or not. Are you a shill? I'm only asking because nobody who admits to liking the Lift logo can be truly unbiased.

​@@VerdantRide Lift Logo just looks cheap and tacky and disagree about the loudness of flite board, to me they are not as loud as a skill saw and actually the noise is not a problem at all for me. But to each their own, I think if you are from Puerto Rico you probably have some loyalty to lift and I can understand that.

@@VerdantRide Okay Okay, I'm definitely not a shill but I really want to see Lift come out on top. I'm addicted to efoiling and when on, their setup is amazing. The Fliteboard I rode was very loud maybe it was due to a service issue or something I don't know. I do like Lifts logo though. Their outstanding customer service is the reason I'm staying with them for now. I also agree about the trigger. I ride without the governor and like the feather ability.

@@perdidomar At least on the Fliteboards I've ridden, they didn't at all seem loud. They have a slightly higher pitched whine than Lift that is very hard to hear once the wind starts blowing past your years. I'm sure that the sound is very different depending on what propulsion method you use, board size, and wing and other factors so maybe that is why we had such different experiences. I guess I don't care who comes out on top. I think there's room for both companies to compete with each other. Right now I'm mostly worried that interest in eFoiling will start to drop off before it has a chance to mature. We're the early adopters. We're the guys who get it well before the companies figured out how to position their product for mass appeal. If it doesn't take off this could go the way of the Amiga, the Wetbike, or the Beta Cassette

When did you last contact them? I know they are a bit slow with first response but once in the system they resolve issues pretty quickly in my experience. Keep us updated.

Been a few weeks now. I’m still using the loaner battery and bought a lite battery as well.

@@carlmast7642 You bought a lite battery? Can you still return it? Even Lift seems to have realized they were a shit idea.

Yes - I have a full range and a Lite battery. Works well for me.

What is your favorite style of message delivery?

@@VerdantRide lol, not sure what he means by that, he is watching your channel after all.

On it. What's your favorite print on demand company? I'll set up some shirts and stickers and stuff!

@@VerdantRideI’d be in for a Verdant Ride shirt when you get a merch shop going.

@@JKW1962 Ok. I'll get to work on selecting a PoD service for some merch.

Have they changed their documentation regarding the warranty? The copy I have doesn't contain any language that says anything remotely similar to, "We'll train you to be an authorized Flite technician capable of maintaining the board and fulfilling all warranty requirements." Can you share the actual documentation that ships with the board regarding the owner's requirements to ensure the warranty will be honored when needed over the first 2 years?

@@VerdantRide as a certified Flite service center and partner I know for a fact Flite does this. As far as documents go I’m not sure. Flite is very supportive of their customers. I’ve witnessed nothing but excellent service with warranties and service. Service is required every 100 hours on the series 3 to maintain the 2 year warranty. After 2 years, you should still service the board every 100 hours to keep it working. Think of Flite like a high end sports car. Gotta take care of it to get the top performance. Down to have a conversation with you and go over things

@@_JustinChait_ You know I respect your knowledge of Flite and the sport of efoiling, but I don't know how to properly handle this as an unbiased efoil news/review source. I hear and believe that you've witnessed Flite taking phenomenal care of their customers, but I'd like to see in writing from the company that I can use as an assurance to my audience that if they buy one and live in some remote location, they won't be needing to drive their board 7 hours to the nearest service center, or shipping their components back and forth with insurance every 100 hours use. I gotta say. I don't love that Flite is so complex that intricate maintenance is required at such regular intervals. Is it seriously every 12 months or every 100 hours, whichever comes first? That means I'd need to send in my board every 33.3 days. That means I'd be without my Flite board thrice in a single summer. That would make it the most high maintenance product I've ever owned and that is just not sustainable. I prefer Lift's method of replacing 1 of 4 major parts that anyone can install quickly to restore function to nearly any problem the board might have. In my experience, every likely problem any Lift board might have can be solved by replacing either the, mast/motor, battery, eBox, or controller. I don't need to send in my gear, I just swap it out with new gear and that is fast, painless, and affordable. If you've got contacts with officials at Flite, I'd love to interview them.

@@VerdantRide the service is pretty simple however requires a bit of triaining… if details are missed it could cause issues. Just imagine 11000 boards on the market with untrained servicemen. Doesn’t make sense. What you’re getting from Flite is a bomb proof design that works flawlessly as long as you take care of it. Lift imo is a basic engineered efoil. No different than a diy efoil, just with some nice finishes. Flite on the other hand will literally run forever as long as the seals, oil and bearings are replace regularly. Jet skis require service every 50-100 hours and so do most boats. Because you live in a remote location you would be a candidate for training and be able to order your own parts and do the maintenance yourself. Every ev needs maintenance. The reality is you can go a long time before noticing any wear and tear. By the time you do notice wear in an ev,it’s too late. One ride on my ultra and you’d be smiling ear to ear ready to learn how to work on a Flite 😉

@@VerdantRide "The initial 1 year/100 hour and ongoing 1 year/100 hour (whichever comes first) service requires that your eFoil (mast), Flite Controller and True Glide Prop (if purchased) be serviced by an authorized service partner or Fliteboard HQ." I just learned this as well was very surprised as it seems like something that should have been front and center when the board arrived that you lose your warranty after 100 hours or a year if you don't have it professionally maintained. I'm guessing since I have not heard too many horror stories they keep this in there so they can deny warranties on people who abuse their gear but will likely honor the warranty if they can see it has not been abused. Just speculating but dumb for sure.

Branding can always be changed. They could also brand their eFoil lines separately from their Foilboards, and their company in general. Logos can be changed at the will of the company and if properly launched, it can be done successfully. Most companies update their branding with reasonable regularity to remain current. If you make a logo that could be confused with a mega-church, it can be off-putting to those who may wish to communicate to others, "I'm into this awesome emerging sport and this is the brand I ride, but don't want to be confused for a religious zealot." Their font is the cursive version of Comic Sans and it reeks of all the signs associated with an immature designer. This logo needs to change and it isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of putting it in front of a focus group and finding out if it helps promote or confuse the product identity and company values. The Lift logo lacks cool, and cool is needed if you want your customer base to promote your brand.

@@VerdantRide I concede you are right but the Brand Logo is the least important factor to me but maybe im biased because I actually like the logo? Id rather focus on all the other points and specifically a lime green innovation instead of a v5 isnt going to cut it against Fliteboards pace and apparent hunger in this space.

@@SurferBobbyLew I'm good enough at multi-tasking to handle multiple topics simultaneously. The logo is one of the things that matter and if it didn't matter, companies wouldn't spend 10s of thousands of dollars designing and ensuring they are aligned across all business channels. I don't know what you are referencing when you say, "v5/lime green…" As far as I can tell, there is no v5 in any color.

@@VerdantRide I know you are an incredible multitasker but was hoping could align focus the message to the recipient Lift that does not have infinite resources multi tasking and ability to equally do everything perfectly like yourself. I love their logo, and hate flites, but it meant so little to me that I simply wanted to concede this trivial aspect relative to the other principal factors you brought up that will bring down Lift. Otherwise we are arguing about very subjective tastes that arent that important to kicking ass, and ripping it up and actually having a great experience with the product. Also YES the v5 does not exist it was again facetious, sarcasm at Lifts recent major announcement of a lime green board (v4) instead of a v5 to keep pace with Flite. I have been playfully referring to it as a v5. Points we can all agree on: 1) Lift continues their legendary reputation of good faith which means when you F up you own it always. Be totally transparent with customers this includes point in your video if valid and my person want release the troubleshoot codes!! 2) Better marketing examples of their product uses. The highlight for me isnt walking down to the beach carrying it as you pointed out. Sponsor local events at major lakes. Im the efoiler on Lake Allatoona, im repping for you Lift everyday in every conservation daily on the water for free because I believe in you and want you to succeed. It would great if you could sponsor some local events or help me do that for you. Right now I literally give lessons for free to interested people because humans are awesome! 3) You either need to keep pace with flite from an innovation perspective or you need to take the v4 and make it bulletproof. Id buy a model T over newer and shinier if I knew it was bulletproof and trouble free forever. Maybe do both would be even better.

@@SurferBobbyLew Sounds good to me. Still, I'll probably keep tell them to get a new logo.

For me, this service schedule is unsustainable. I can't be sending in my board for overhaul @ $200 every 33.3 days. A - I don't want the pain in the butt of dealing with it. B - I don't want to be without my board while it's getting overhauled that often. C - I don't want to spend that much money keeping my board running that often.

Your comment is lost on me. I have zero knowledge of reality programming because me too smart to watch unscripted programming.

Glad you like them!

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Whoa! Stay well man! Are you comfortable sharing the details of the specific types of injuries you sustained? I'm interested.

@@VerdantRide Fortunately none involved the wing or prop... still dreading the day that happens. Just a matter of time and opportunites. Both involved kissing the rail... its essentially a 60lb carbon fiber baseball bat if you either flip and then fall into or violent water (double overhead) force feeds the rail into your mouth ..... the end result is oral Maxillofacial Reconstructive Surgery and orthodontics. The blowfish came a little bit late im afraid got for each one of my boards wouldve never happened if utilized but probably wouldnt have sacrificed the performance without the lesson ;-)

facetious ;-)

@@SurferBobbyLew Figured that out but it took me a beat or two to do that. :D

Yeah. Lift is one of those companies that does the hard stuff pretty well but really drops the ball on the easy stuff, like writing functional descriptions or taking photographs of the products with the angles necessary to properly inform their customers what they are buying.

Ok I didn't love the 32 Glide with the Camber Pro but I do love it with the 100 Surf V2. VERY FAST - VERY ZIPPY

I wanna try the 33 Carve. I wish that is what the 32 Glide was.

If I tell you, will you subscribe to Verdant Ride?

Watch to the end of the vid. He always shows a complete gear inventory at the end of the show

Yeah… I think due to the weight and speed and likelihood of up-kick due to the location of the propulsion, I'm more likely to use a safer stance with efoiling than all my other board sports. Like I said in the video, I ride midline for everything else.

Yeah, I've got some film-making skills in my past but shooting stuff like this is more just holding a pole where the camera should be. Anyone can do it with the Insta 360 cams and any decent video editing package. My professional life is spent more in strategic execution than in content creation but once amass these skills you never really lose them. AI is getting much better so it is possible to tell a decent story with just a few hours of work that would have taken a week just a few years ago. GetFoil closed this year right? Are you pretty confident you'll be able to perform your own repairs and keep your board rolling for the foreseeable future? Can you put other wings on it?

Yep, GetFoil folded. I haven't tried other boards so I can't really rank them. GetFoil was the only US company and it seems to be a good product. They just never had the market base anywhere near what was needed to keep the company afloat. Pretty bummed. No more support, no replacement parts from them. Some of their parts suppliers (China) has popped up and started selling those left over inventories like wings. There is a FB community group that is a self help group. I've used their help to solve some water intrusion issues with my remote. Other aspects are addressed there as well. I believe though that I will probably be getting a new Efoil in time. I was looking at a free spinning prop or a jet drive on a Flightboard. Maybe a Air Pro. I now have two season on a board. I'm not that good at it, but I'm getting there.

I've got this rule that I won't got to the ER on weekends in the summer so I keep an Insorb subcutaneous absorbable skin stapler around for just such an occasion. I've never needed it for eFoil related issues but it has saved me from spending a whole day waiting around in an ER a couple of times now.

Got a question for you about the folding prop… I'm considering a show comparing the safety of a gliding prop vs a breaking prop. Would you say that a gliding prop (like the folding, free spinning etc. props made for unpowered wave riding) is more likely to hit their riders especially when falling off the front of the board? I ask because whenever I get flung off the front of the board like during an unexpected powerloss event, my board stops DEAD in the water and usually dives it's nose causing it to stop so fast that is like SUPER BREAKS. So I never get hit by my own board.

I just tested the 32 Glide. You'll get the show on Sunday. It's actually just a Surf. No curved wingtips like the 36 Glide. I had to do a bunch of investigation to figure that out.

Do whatever you want. This is what I recommend for the reasons I recommended it. If you like riding midline, ride midline. Whatever benefits I might get from riding midline aren't as important to me as the ability to choose my departure course from the board and I've gotten quite competent at riding staggered so I'm going to keep riding staggered. Every once in a while I play around with midline and other modified stances and other than letting me use much smaller movements with my ankles and my knees to initiate a turn, I think that it doesn't offer anything as powerful as not getting injured. I don't really know what more you want me to say other than what I've already said. I guess I could provide kinesiology ROM on various stances if you'd like. Here, this is evidence that a staggered stance provides the greatest range of motion. These are what's considered a normal human range of motion as measured by goniometer. Your results may vary… I know mine do. :P Hip ROM (Degrees) Stance Flexion/Extension Abduction/Adduction Internal/External Rotation Midline 120/30 20/30 30/40 Staggered 130/30 30/40 40/60 Wide 120/30 45/50 30/40 Knee ROM (Degrees) Stance Flexion Extension Internal/External Rotation Midline 135 0 10/30 Staggered 135 5-10 10/40 Wide 140 0 10/30 Ankle ROM (Degrees) Stance Dorsiflexion/Plantarflexion Inversion/Eversion Midline 20/45 15/20 Staggered 25/45 20/25 Wide 25/45 20/25 Summary of Total ROM for Critical Movements We can sum the ROM for each critical movement based on each stance to provide a comparison: Midline Stance: Hip: (120 + 30) + (20 + 30) + (30 + 40) = 270 degrees Knee: 135 + 0 + (10 + 30) = 175 degrees Ankle: (20 + 45) + (15 + 20) = 100 degrees Total: 545 degrees Staggered Stance: Hip: (130 + 30) + (30 + 40) + (40 + 60) = 330 degrees Knee: 135 + 5 + (10 + 40) = 190 degrees Ankle: (25 + 45) + (20 + 25) = 115 degrees Total: 635 degrees Wide Stance: Hip: (120 + 30) + (45 + 50) + (30 + 40) = 315 degrees Knee: 140 + 0 + (10 + 30) = 180 degrees Ankle: (25 + 45) + (20 + 25) = 115 degrees Total: 610 degrees Conclusion Staggered Stance: Total ROM = 635 degrees Wide Stance: Total ROM = 610 degrees Midline Stance: Total ROM = 545 degrees From these calculations, the Staggered Stance offers the greatest total range of motion, providing the most flexibility for selecting the safest side to depart from the board. The Wide Stance also offers substantial ROM and stability, making it a very good option as well. The Midline Stance provides the least ROM, making it less ideal for quick lateral movements required in eFoil dismounting. Perhaps someday I'll load all this into Houdini so we can visualize the simulation, but not right now. It's summer, and I don't spend 10-20 hours doin anything that feels like work when I could be surfing, sleeping, eating, or fucking. Know what I'm saying? :D

Bummer about the crash. Yes, I ordered a 32 Glide and was really surprised that is didn't match the same, "Glide Profile" I'm used to with my 36 Glide with upturned wingtips. The 32 Glide they shipped me matches the same profile as my Surf stabs. I think the reason they dropped the price on the 24 & 32 Glide is because they either had a misprint or just poor brand planning. I wrote Lift about this and got the most non-answer possible from their marketing agency. I wrote them two more times and got no response, so I'm pretty much left with, they are dumping a misprinted/mis-manufactured product without actually telling their customers about it. I MUCH prefer the curved wing tips on my 36 Glide. Way smoother! Is your 32 Glide flat or does it have upturned wingtips?

@@VerdantRide My 32 Glide is flat just like the surf tails. I figured that was the reason they were being discontinued as well. If you're ever down in the Jupiter Fl area hit me up. I'll show you some cool spots to eFoil!

@@snowindirt Sounds great! I'm actually currently looking for pals especially in the warmer states where I can hook up for some rides this winter. So thanks for the invitation. The Glide series confusion seems super strange to me and when I started investigating and the response I got from Lift's agency that answered my inquiry made it even stranger. It lead me to a whole show about this and some other issues I found lacked the transparency I wished I'd discovered.

Yes, but I'm in in TH-cam jail for a few more days because I got a strike for trying to show some of the injuries I found caused by riders hitting the mast and prop.

It up. Check the feed.

@@VerdantRide Thanks! gonna check it :D