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Ahoy there, @trischristian6809! Ye’ve left us a curious bit o’ text sayin’, “Dumb way to do this tbh. Shame.” Now, before we start swingin’ cutlasses o’ wit, let’s try to fathom what ye mean by that. Be ye callin’ the core concept-makin’ a show about tryin’ to buy a Fliteboard-a “dumb idea” that should’ve been scuttled in the drydock phase? Or maybe ye think, once we uncovered that Fliteboards need more fiddlin’ and fussin’ than a ship’s riggin’ in a hurricane, it was “dumb” not to keep quiet ‘bout it? Look, matey, we be elated to engage in intelligent parlay, but we ain’t mind readers. Assum'n we can divine yer intentions from a vague heap o’ words retards the flow of the conversation, and it is addlepated to think otherwise. That said, let’s clear the fog o’ misunderstanding: there be nothin’ low-intellect about the course we charted. Stephan set sail to to add a Fliteboard to his fleet and decided it would be helpful to the audience to ride along for the purchasing experience. It ain't his fault that it went down the way it did. We took a fair, thorough, and honest approach, and brought valuable insight to the eFoilin’ community and that seems at least smart enough to rub elbows with the rest of the content on TH-cam. Now, if ye’ve got a better way this tale could’ve been told, we’re all ears-seriously. But please, for the love o’ language and coherent thought, share yer ideas in a way that can be understood. Elsewise, we might start thinkin’ it’s ye who’s snackin’ on the crayons and expectin’ applause for the art ye’re creatin’. So, what say ye, @trischristian6809? Be there a point beneath yer cryptic critique, or shall we toss this one overboard and sail on?

depending on the type of carving, I'm going mid to high 20s MPH.

@@VerdantRide Thanks. I still have some way to go then. Looking forward to a follow up video on your purchase and testing of a Flite board.

Why would anyone care about a racecourse in a lake? I've raced on tons of lakes especially back when I slalom raced and never once had any issues with anyone ever...

2 Years

My zero foot non-pet-accessory-jimmy-rigged method costs nothing, and is never in the way. Simple, free, and eliminates swimming to my board. Never had a problem using it. :P

What idea?

Brilliant AND creative? Sir you flatter me,,, :D

Sounds like yer introduction to eFoilin’ be the stuff o’ dreams-a lesson in the turquoise waters o’ Turks and Caicos, and on a fleet o’ trusty Lift boards, no less! Aye, there be a reason so many turn to Lift: their reliability and performance are as steady as a lighthouse on a foggy night. Now, if ye ever find yerself near Antigua, the good Captain’s home port, do look me up! I’ll gladly welcome ye aboard for a fine parlay ‘bout the joys o’ eFoilin’ over some rum or coconut water-whichever suits yer fancy. Thanks fer sharin’ yer story, and keep yer mast high, yer wings sharp, and ride on, matey! 🏴‍☠

The pad was glued down to the board? I don't know what that means… They ship the batteries from some company in California that first ships everything to Florida. Lift definitely does strange things for sure but they are usually pretty honest about their constant battery shortage on their order page.

Thanks! The 160 Camber Pro is extremely forgiving at a very wide range of speeds. I think I was on the 100 Surf V2 / 32 Glide that day. Laura set the drone pretty fast (26 MPH) so I needed the speed to keep up with it.

I was able to manage it by swapping out the coolant return line with a much wider direct flow valve that I just 3D printed myself but it would still overheat after a race where I was pushing the board and then was just slowly cruising about afterward while waiting for my next race to start. So it seems like it would stay cool if I kept my speed high but would overheat after really pushing it and then failed to get enough water in there to keep it cool. I think it was an issue with the water intake tube inside the mast and Lift agreed and replaced my mast. Now it never overheats no matter what I do with my board.

THANKS. Lucky duck. What's the weather there today? It's 45˚F/7.22˚c here. :<(

It's about 72°F, still gliding through the smoothest sea on the planet before winter kicks in 😊

I almost always ride with a virtual gear of 14 these days.

I've never had that issue BUT I do notice it sliding side to side when cranking and banking. I fixed that with two epoxy domed adhesive bumpers on the sides of the battery compartment. Now it sits tight no matter what I do when riding.

@VerdantRide I started notice this after demonstrating the power of the board by doing just board full throtle flipping the board around. After that i noticed a litle water in the compartment after every trip. I adjusted the bracket and then i had no problem. I think this might only be a problem if you had a crash that makes that bracket move.

Thank you sir! And you are brilliant as well for recognizing my brilliance.

Thanks. Racing is pretty fun though. It kinda gives us a reason to get together and test various configs and techniques out with each other. I for instance actually took Justin Chait's advice about midline stance. I actually can't improve my race time with it but I will admit that for just freestyle carving I'm able to pull off smoother freestyle carves with less effort. Keep in mind it does this with the expense of added danger of potentially hitting the wing should something go wrong. Ultimately the Staggered Stance is still safer and actually does give more me more responsive control of the board across all axis but the Midline Stance is easier to use when just wanting to pull off smooth carves. It has a really organic feel to it, more like surfing and less like wakeboarding. I'm glad I've mastered Staggered Stance because I think it is much easier for me to add some Midline carving to my freestyle time, than it would be to master a Staggered Stance for times when I want more control. Having just watched one of Justin's latest race runs, which was super enjoyable to watch, I am pretty certain I could grease him in a timed slalom course given that he needs to literally walk up and down the front and back of his Flite Ultra L2 to keep it level when accelerating and decelerating. In the races I compete in, there simply isn't time for this since I go from my slowest speed to my max speed in less time than it would take for me to change my foot positioning. I'm guessing that has a lot more to do with Lift's ability to adjust speed with a finer degree of throttle control + general engineering of a higher motor mount (less pendulum effect) and perhaps even the way the Surf 100 V2 wing handles speed and lift. I really, REALLY! want to go head to head against a decent Fliteboarder just to finally know which board kicks more ass than the other.

Me too.

Dude, you had a CRAPPY introduction to eFoiling and to Lift and I'm sorry you had to go through it. As for water and LFS. Well, I gotta say it is a bit of a mystery. All I can say is that with 5 boards I've dealt with, keeping them dry eliminated LFS completely. Even if that was just a strange coink-e-dink, I'm going with keeping the internals dry is just a good idea nonetheless. Keep riding and I hope the rest of your efoil experiences are nothing but smooth sailing. You deserve it.

Yes! Yes it should. Frak'n interns. Can't trust anyone to do anything right 'less I do it myself. :F

I know! Right?

I think that a solution to your ankle soreness relies largely on the reason for your ankle getting sore. Is it tendonitis, stiffness dues to a past injury, arthritis, or poor ergonomics in your riding style? Is it just over exertion? Perhaps try riding switch stance to give your ankle a rest.

Every year, I bring my boards into my house to keep them from freezing because I fear any water anywhere hidden from me in the board may destroy seals and fragile internal components. I do store my batteries inside. My solution is to store them a concrete room in the deepest part of my house and I have them on automated chargers that give each of them 5 minutes of juice about 1-2 times per month based on each battery's rate of drain to keep them at 50% charge all winter long. I do think that the actual chance of fire occurring to a battery that has not been dropped or damaged is VERY, VERY LOW! But is you are worried about it and don't have a fireproof room, here are your 3 options I see as pretty easy to build. Warning, I'm not a trained in anything that should make you trust me at all. Everything I'm about to say is 100% intuitive garage-logic and completely untested. Proceed at your own risk. Cheap: 1. Build a small fireproof container out of firebricks rated at many thousand degrees of thermal capacity. You will find these for sale at most hardware stores in their woodburning stove department. All you gotta do is glue these bricks together using refractory mortar also rated to take the heat. Then I'd buy a big ass rubbermaid storage container, plop your battery inside your custom firebrick container and start pouring sand over it until it is totally surrounded. This way if your even if your battery experiences that blast-style critical event vs the slow-burn style critical event, it is somewhat more likely to stay contained. 2. Buy a fire resistant container used for flammable liquid storage. These will cost about $200 to fit a battery and are designed to keep fires from spreading, BUT as far as I can tell, no UL tests have actually tested them on batteries such as these going thermal, so they may or may not works. 3. Store them in a fire-rated safe or an actual woodburnding stove. I heard about this one from an audience member that who was looking into buying containers rated to handle these batteries if they go critical but found that he'd be looking at 10k for 4 batteries. Then he realized he could just spend 1 K on a large safe that was rated to keep everything inside safe even in fire as hot as these batteries could get. Ultimately he realized he could just keep them his woodburning stove which he never used in the summer anyway. He ran charging cables through the air intake pipe and then felt safe charging them indoors. Would any of these strategies work in the event of a fire going critical? Well, they will probably contain the fire somewhat better than charging them in a cedar chest where you also happen to store your collection of antique matchbooks and historically relative newspapers. Again, I've never had a fire. I've never heard from any of my audience members that they have had a fire, and whenever I try to follow up on someone who comes in with photos and a story of a fire, I can usually prove the photo was not genuine. The photo was not taken by the person in the place and time when the person claimed the photo was taken. I also have struggled being able to get fire reports from these people even when I directly ask to see the findings from the Fire Department or Insurance Company that most certainly would have been involved in fires such as these. Due to a significant shortage of evidence that should be easily available for these people to provide to prove their credibility, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that at least most of these claims are made by people who are completely full of it. Now if you were riding a different brand, other than Flite or Lift, my advice would be more likely to be something akin to, "get a giant vat of monoammonium phosphate and store them in there."

Thankyou Verdant Ride. Love the store in wood stove tip. Appreciate knowing what charger are you using. Tnx agn, Mike

@@mikestephens4589 www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BC1B7H4D/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s03?ie=UTF8&th=1 These allow you to program the 4 plugs independently so you can maintain multiple batteries all off of a single power outlet. Rated to 2100 joules of surge protection. According to the VerdantRideGPT, it can handle it as long as I don't try to charge more than 1 battery at a time in the schedule.

Glad it helped. I think you'll find that the silicon lube goes on better, is less messy, and doesn't harm rubber products nearly as much. Petroleum products are not known for having inert relationships with other pliable materials.

Me too. Unfortunately you can no longer buy the Lift4 Pro which kinda blows, but must mean they got something big (I mean small and light) in the works. I'm hoping for some radical innovations from them.

@@VerdantRideI bought a Lift 4 Pro with the sale through a local dealer last week, so it’s possible to get them at a discount.

@@remingtonm I'll have to check in with Zen Watersports to see if I can still get a Pro.

Nope. Can't use lens guards in water. And as far as I know there is no way to make the cam float and keep it light and the pole invisible. I think you just gotta take a risk to get the shot. I've personally never lost a 360 riding. I've had them lost when friends borrow them and put them down and forget to pick them back up, but never ever while riding an eFoil.

Sure, you could use grease, but it is way messier, toxic, and super bad for the environment. Since I only need to treat my gasket 2x per year, I think I can afford to use a product that works nearly as well without the bad stuff and since I always have it around for other purposes anyway, it's just easier to keep on hand without busting into my CNC toolbox.

Ok, thanks

No, but I thought everyone knew how to store their boards with the cover open because its in the manual and just seems pretty obvious.

Thanks, glad you liked it.

Sounds to me like you got the same customer service from Flite I've heard from most of their customers. Just as I had reported on the show. I'm glad to hear I'm as accurate in my reporting as I thought I was. Lift sent a rep to handle your return personally? Damn, that seems like amazing customer support given that it was all just for a return. AND they had to find you on your boat? Like out in the middle of the ocean? Dang! Most companies would have made you ship it in and wait for it to be received before honoring a refund. Sounds to me like you encountered some rare unluckiness with your shipping and Lift came and took care of it for you. Sounds like both leading brands do a decent job of taking care of their customers.

I can't be responsible or your ability to understand things, but I assure you, all the statements are in a language understood by most of my audience.. Yes, the maintenance was CLEARLY shown in the video as it appeared on their website at the time of recording and the time of this posting. support.fliteboard.com/hc/en-us/articles/11634398221079-2024-Range-Series-3-Warranty-1-year-or-100-Hour-Service "The initial 1 year/100 hour and ongoing 1 year/100 hour (whichever comes first) service requires that your eFoil (mast), Flite Controller and True Glide Prop (if purchased) be serviced by an authorised service partner or Fliteboard HQ." I hope you realize that you came in here, said I was wrong about the service schedule, then stated (roughly) the same service schedule I stated in the show which exactly matches what is on their website. I need to ask, do you recall any doctors ever referring to you as an FLK or did you ride a shorter than normal yellow school bus to school? As I stated in my video, I am not sponsored by any efoil company or being paid (including free gear) by any efoil company. Actually, I'm not being paid at all for doing this by anyone. I'm getting a super raw deal. It was an objective review. Any attempt to claim that it wasn't is a lie and in this show I provided a ton of evidence to that you can actually verify for yourself simply by visiting their website and reading it, assuming have the ability to comprehend wordy-words, which I'm beginning to doubt that you do not.. So you've come in there. Stated a bunch of crap that isn't true and is super easy to check, called me a shill and a liar with no evidence to support your claim. You are trying to besmirch my both my name and my character and I think we should be asking ourselves why you are doing this? What's your role in this? Why has this show got you all tweaked out enough to come in here all huff'n and puff'n and calling names? You're look'n for a villain when all that's here is a guy who investigated a thing and then reported on what he learned. You have no integrity, and I have no time more time for you. Good day…

I handed my 1 year old Flite in for a 1-year service on 8th October. I got it back on 9th October and as there was nothing to replace / just cleaning the service was FREE.

Yeah. Lifts are dang near silent.

Sometimes the truth makes people feel like they've been gaslit when really they just don't like hearing the truth. I'm not responsible for Flite's maintenance schedule, warranty requirements, pricing, engineering, lack of transparency, or their sales process. I'm only responsible to be honest with my audience when I report what I've learned and I did that very well. How you feel about it is your problem and one that I'm not interested in nurturing. And when I buy anything, I always check the warranty. It is a really good sign of how much faith the company has in the longevity of their own product. I don't buy BMWs or Mercedes, because I was cool in high school and aren't compensating for anything. Your goals are your goals and it is a gross assumption to think that your goals are my goals or the same as anyone else's. For instance I don't care about maxing my ride-time, I care about carve precision and feeling Gs. I can always go back to my dock and load a fresh battery but I can't make a board that doesn't carve well be better than my 4Pro. Next season, I'll likely get my hands on an Ultra L2 and then we'll know for sure. But I'm not servicing this thing every 33.3 days so something must give on that front. Warranty is an issue for many Fliteboarders. I hear from plenty of them and most say the support and warranty Flite provides is good. Some have even called it fantastic. But, the boards to have failures and so far as I can tell, when they fail, Flite has treated most of them pretty well. You are welcome for pointing out the info, and it does matter. It matters so much that this show has experienced 91% more community engagement than all other shows this season. I'm pretty sure that if you buy any efoil and you'll love efoiling as long as the board stays running. I just think that to get obsessively into it with a passion, you'll likely need an Ultra L2 or 4Pro. It's one thing to stand on a board and glide over the surface of the water, and totally another to be transported to the fluffiest uncut powder you've ever ridden every single day of the summer. I don't want a demo ride. I've already ridden their boards. I want to own a board because only in ownership can you properly review a board. It takes weeks to learn to master a board and there's more to owning a board than just riding it. It has to fit into my life. I'll buy the thing as long as it makes sense to buy the thing and I'm not driving it in every 33.3 days and paying enough to buy a new Lift mast every three years to maintain it. Oh, and I have very strong reservations from buying anything from a company that isn't honest with me, and they weren't. So how about we give them the winter to deal with that a bit, and see what happens this spring.

Working on it.

Why is it important to you that Stephan avoid words like the F-bomb? It's just a word, no better or worse than any other word. I've got a feeling that Stephan is likely one of those types of people that won't change his lexicon to conform to anyone's preference or societal acceptance out of pure principle.

It's not that I'm unwilling to review a Waydoo or other brands, but having tried a few, I'm just not willing to pay them for the experience. If they were to send me a board to review, I'd probably be willing to do it but given my tastes and my standards, I likely wouldn't be able to give them a very positive review. If I was their Marketing Director I'd advise them not to send me a board unless they actually had a board that could legitimately match or beat a Lift4 Pro. Even if Lift sent me a brand new Sport or Lift3 F, I'd probably crucify it simply because I'd hate it so much more than the Pro. That said, I did try my neighbor's Lift3 F with a 32" mast 150 SV2/33 Carve / no Shroud, and I actually liked it enough to write Lift and tell them that if they sold a Lift3 F with a 32" Mast/LCS option I'd endorse it as a fantastic entry level option. As we should have expected, their response was non-existent. I assure you, I have no sway with Lift. I'm pretty sure they don't even realize I exist. Their mar/com just isn't great. Oh and while I'm sorry you don't like the words I choose to use when speaking, I can't do much to help you with that. I really think it is somewhat inappropriate to tell adults what words they should or shouldn't use. It is a superstition of the human spirit to believe that curse words have any more or less power than any other word. So while I'm not going to put even an ounce of effort to conform my speech, I will show you that I've put a lot of thought into my decision to do it and explain to you why I think it would be better for you to not allow words that offend you, offend you. 1. Free Speech and Personal Expression In societies that prioritize free speech, such as many democratic nations, the ability to express oneself without undue restriction is a core value. Words, including so-called "curse words," are tools of communication, and their impact depends heavily on context, tone, and the listener's interpretation. Declaring certain words "off-limits" restricts individual freedom of expression and contradicts the spirit of free speech. Adults in such societies should have the autonomy to choose their language without being subjected to arbitrary prohibitions based on subjective ideas of propriety. 2. Words Are Arbitrary Symbols Linguistically, words are just symbols - a collection of sounds or letters that represent ideas. What makes a word "offensive" is entirely a matter of cultural convention and social conditioning. If someone chooses to imbue a particular word with negative connotations, that is a reflection of their individual or societal context, not an inherent property of the word itself. This arbitrary nature reveals that any word, curse or otherwise, only has the power that people collectively assign to it. There is no objective reason to treat one word as intrinsically more harmful or offensive than another, especially when the same words can have different connotations in different languages or regions. Example, if I were to say, "Fudge, Frak, F-ing," instead of just saying, "Phuck!" does it make the words I speak somehow better. You know I want to just say, "Phuck," but that I've censored myself and infantilized my language to make others who falsely believe that, "Phuck," is some evil word when it just isn't. Don't fall victim to Voldemorting words. 3. Subjectivity of Offense Offense is subjective, and what offends one person may not offend another. Placing the burden on the speaker to anticipate and avoid offending every potential listener creates an impossible standard of communication. Instead, it should be the responsibility of the listener to manage their own emotional responses. Humans have the capacity to develop emotional resilience and cognitive coping strategies to deal with language that they find unpleasant. Expecting the speaker to cater to every possible sensitivity infantilizes adults, implying they are incapable of managing their own reactions. 4. Psychological Resilience and Personal Responsibility People often face uncomfortable or unpleasant experiences in everyday life. Developing resilience - the ability to manage discomfort without undue emotional distress - is a vital life skill. By placing the responsibility on listeners to manage their own reactions to words they find offensive, we encourage the development of psychological resilience. Conversely, if society insists that speakers constantly censor themselves to avoid offending others, it perpetuates a culture of fragility, where individuals expect the world to shield them from discomfort rather than developing their own coping mechanisms. 5. The Slippery Slope of Censorship Once we begin declaring specific words "off-limits" for the sake of avoiding offense, we step onto a slippery slope toward censorship. Who gets to decide which words are inappropriate? And once we restrict language in one area, it becomes easier to restrict it in others, leading to a narrowing of acceptable discourse. This is antithetical to the values of free expression and open dialogue. Words often carry power because of their ability to challenge norms and provoke thought, and restricting them in any form could ultimately undermine important conversations and social progress. Conclusion: To claim that some words have intrinsic value or harm greater than others is a superstition - a belief based on social conditioning rather than rational thought. In a society that values free speech, adults should have the right to express themselves using the full spectrum of language. Rather than demanding that others censor their language to avoid causing offense, it is the responsibility of each individual to manage their own emotional responses. Free speech empowers dialogue, personal growth, and resilience, while unnecessary restrictions on language encourage fragility and a stifling of expression. in

@@johngalt7629 Ok. It's just a suggestion. Sometimes TH-cam creators have had problems in the past with their partnership or videos being monetized that have the F word. That's it.... And maybe that's not the case anymore. Maybe TH-cam is more lax on that now and no longer flags it in voice or text 🤷‍♂️? Thanks for taking the time to read my comment through. I didn't expect this one suggestion to be the singular thing someone would respond to out of it. Is there any real gain from using the word? Maybe? Maybe Not? Actually it's not "just a word," it's one of the most addictive words for those with weak minds and vocabulary. I think everyone knows at least one person whose entire vocabulary of adjectives, adverbs, and other descriptives and interjections (positive AND negative) has been reduced to a single four letter word for S3X. The word has more power over them than they have over the use of it. And in this case it is simultaneously more and less than just a word... But mostly less. It's just an annoying parroted sound. Stephan (sorry I'm not sure of the spelling) of Verdant Ride obviously has the will, strength, and freedom to use it as he pleases and is not one of these people who are addicted to it. If he was, I wouldn't even be here. I don't agree with everything he says (or word choice) and our experiences with Flite differ (especially customer service). If limited to just the two brands, I'd choose Flite over Lift based on MY preferences even though I also don't like the maintenance that was clearly stated to ME. Nevertheless, I respect Lift and each brand and what they bring to the table. I like hearing, learning, and sharing about everything (e)foiling. One last thought on the video and experience reviews in general: previous experience can often shape how someone will respond to changes. They will typically either welcome them or much the opposite. Everyone is biased to an extent. Being honest about or identifying existing bias and preferences can help BOTH those who agree or disagree. For example. Lift lacking an acceleration lock is a deal breaker for ME. I extend a warning about it to everyone who asks my opinion about Lift, BUT I also say that some prefer it and if they know about it then they can decide for themselves how they feel about it. Same with Flite maintenance. If people are aware, they can make their own decision.

@@VerdantRide I actually agree with a lot of what you said about curse words. Unfortunately my response didn't post before you shared all of that. You would have seen it was unnecessary to share with me... But it will still serve as a good explanation for others who come across it. I also did not read this response from you until *after* I had responded to the first person. It was just intended as a simple suggestion which may or may not be applicable based on current TH-cam standards... Which maybe I should have looked up and reviewed before speaking about it. Even if so, you likely prioritize your voice over anything TH-cam says or actually does I may not agree on using the F bomb Myself, although I have dropped the F bomb on rare and reserved occasions. I can silence and clear a room when I use it... Like a "bomb." Because I have not over-used it like so many others have. Same goes for any other overly used word, including the censored replacements that you gave an example of. Just to be clear, I am in no way saying you over use it. Far from it. I definitely did not expect this to become such a dominating part of my entire comment. Just forget I even mentioned it going forward. We'd all rather talk about a different four letter F word... (e)Foil(ing) Thank you

@@eFoilLakePowell No worries. I keep that explanation in a text file and just paste it into any conversation I'm having with an audience member whenever they complain about my lexicon. I do that because everyone at least deserves to understand the reasons why I'm not going take their advice or adjust the show to their tastes.

You nailed it. I discovered a turd when shopping for a Fliteboard. I didn't make the turd but I did shine a light on it. If you don't like the smell of Flite's turd, complain to Flite, not to me. The turd was always there, so I suggest thanking me for showing you all where that horrible smell was coming from rather than trying to vilify me for showing you all the source of the stench.

On it. Coming soon. It will be the final show of the season.