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Email: orthodoxuniversalist@gmail.com
Twitter: TheOUChannel
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The Purpose of Christmas
What is Christmas all about? Did God send his Son to save a select few or to save the entire world?
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Finding Peace In An Infinite God
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Exploring the unknowable glory of an unsearchable God, with help from Nicholas of Cusa and George MacDonald. Christian Universalism Universalism Universalism Christianity Universal Salvation Universal Reconciliation Hell Heaven Peace
Eternal Life Versus Eternal Punishment
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Considering the language of the New Testament as it describes the life and punishment to come. Vincent's Word Studies (see commentary on verse 9) biblehub.com/commentaries/vws/2_thessalonians/1.htm Christian Universalism Universalism Universalism Christianity Universal Salvation Universal Reconciliation Hell Heaven
Disciple = Disjointed?
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Holiness, Happiness, and The Restoration of All Mankind - A Short Ramble
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A short ramble about the truth, love, and the gospel's relevance in daily life. www.orthodoxuniversalist.com x.com/TheOUChannel Christian Universalism Universalism Universal Christianity Universal Salvation Universal Reconciliation Hell Heaven The Gospel Universal Restoration
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What doctrines are essential for all Christians to believe? Origen, Gregory Nazianzen, and Gregory of Nyssa gave a clear answer? In this video, I explore the formation and influence of the Nicene Creed and consider the relationship of the Creed with Christian Universalism. Christian Universalism Universalism Universal Christianity Universal Salvation Universal Reconciliation Hell Heaven
What Is Christian Universalism?
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What is Christian Universalism? In this video, I debunk some popular misconceptions, look at some historical definitions, consider the early history of the doctrine, and examine several scriptures that are often discussed in relation to it. Christian Universalism Universalism Universal Christianity Universal Salvation Universal Reconciliation Hell Heaven
Will Unbelievers Suffer Everlasting Separation From God?
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Would It Have Been Better For Judas If He Had Never Been Born?
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Merry Christmas! Thank you for your encouraging videos. May God bless you in the new year.
Oh man, to all those who have created Eonian Christian channels thanks so much. Of course we dont agree on all things, but the salvation of all, with no hell into the deal has been a positive revelation, life changing !!! Merry Christmas to you young man and keep up the excellent work. (Not works)😄😁
Can I get prayers? Been fairly depressed and lonely lately, especially since a few people in my life decided I don't matter to them as much as they mattered to me
@@RobinHood-tw4se you got it! Lord bring peace, rest, and the assurance of your presence!
@Robin... Hi. Sorry about this pain but oh man how crushing if we didn't have our Fathers wonderful promise... Remember, where sin abounds so does grace... Sounds like a real test with sin abounding against YOU !!! Guess your going to have to counter with more grace !!!😌🙂😇 Prays to and for you...😁
@@Inverted.surfer Thank you!
@@orthodoxuniversalist Thank you!
Very Merry Christmas to you! Bless you and your ministry! More and more of us are crying out as staunch dogmatic universalists. Because of the love that Christ Jesus has for us all that I cannot deny, but must share freely as I've been given freely. There is nothing that can keep us for the love of God and there's not one area of sin the grace is not that much more abounding and sufficient. I'm happy to be sober and healthy and present for the grief and the joy of the season. And I choose faith hope and love. Thank you and bless you all!
Merry Christmas.
Thank you so much for all your hard work in creating this channel. I have been struggling in my faith for a while, really questioning the so called doctrine between the elect and the damned. Your channel shows the true love of God, and the efficaciousness of Jesus blood in the world. God bless!
True dat
Thank you so much for everything you've posted in the past year, it is really helpful. God bless you richly.
Great 15 minute video with barely any scriptures. Just because one old church father believed it doesn’t mean it’s true.
Thanks for the comment! If I might, I’d recommend doing a little more research on the topic. You might find that there is actually a lot of scriptural support to be found. I have dozens of videos on my channel that go into a lot more depth. But there are a few other channels as well that cover this topic in greater (and I’ll happily admit, BETTER) detail than I do. If you’d like some recommendations, let me know. Have a merry Christmas!
@ I’ve also done the work. Lots of verses. 1 John 2:2 “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” Gotta use the verses.
out of curiosity, why do you think people commonly mistaken "aion" as denoting "endlessness?"
Thanks for the comment! I don’t know when the mistranslation really took off, but it’s been so wide spread for so long that I think people just find it really hard to get their heads around the idea that so much of the Church could be wrong about it. It’s one of those concepts like flat-earth or the earth being the center of the universe. The whole world - and especially the religious elites - are convinced of it and unwilling to hear any idea to the contrary. In my opinion, this might the modern day Galileo Affair. Thanks again!
@@orthodoxuniversalist Thank you again, and God bless you. Keep up the great work!
@@orthodoxuniversalist If you check out total victory of Christ's series on Aion, he argues it has to do with a misconception from the Latin translation aeternum even though it mainly meant age as well. I'm making a comic gospel project and wanted to compile resources and evidence for orthadox universalism. Is there anything you recommend I include? I'm going to add a link to your website and channel.
@ Wow! Thanks so much! One thing to check out (which you may already know about) is the Apocalypse of Peter. While I don’t think it’s a lost book of the Bible, it was widely accepted in the Early Church and considered scripture by some. Scholars agree that it supports the idea of universal salvation and it is a very early text - probably 130s AD. The Rainer fragment is a key portion of it that you may have to search for separately. Most versions online are based on the Ethiopian text, which is much later.
@@orthodoxuniversalist Thank you so much! I'll look into this!
Orthodox Universalist is an oxymoron. Universalism is a heresy and thus heterodox. I pray you can overcome whatever diabolical influences have lead you to this conclusion so you can have a chance at salvation brother.
I genuinely appreciate your concern. Not just saying that. If I’m wrong, I sure hope God straightens me out. That said, I would be genuinely interested in hearing a good, non-universalists defense against a universalistic reading of Colossians 1:15-20. As of right now, I just can’t get around the blatant implications of that text. I appreciate tradition. I appreciate the fact that you have to interpret scripture by tradition and other scripture. But what I can’t appreciate, is the wholesale disregard for the face-value meaning form of this text in favor of contrary texts and traditions. If tradition and conventional biblical interpretations force me wear certain interpretive lenses when I read the Bible in order to understand it appropriately, fine. But if the best tradition and conventional interpretation can do is to tell me to ignore what I’m seeing altogether, I I find it really hard to listen. Again I really do appreciate your brotherly concern. But if I am a heretic and I’m leading people to hell, help me, and help the people I’m hurting, by proving me wrong. If you can’t do that, please find someone who can and point me in their direction.
Very beautiful thoughts, thank you. I think I agree with that. I'm currently struggling with many Christian concepts, including the doctrine of trinity. I know it's absolute heresy to doubt it. But because I could really not understand it at all, I could not believe in it. After lots of praying and reflecting and thinking and searching and considering of various viewpoints, I'm slowly getting a sort of grasp over it. I don't understand it but I sort of can feel it and conceptualize it better and I start to accept the idea of it maybe being real, which makes it easier for me to believe in it, even if I still doubt and will keep praying for clarity. I realized we will never fully understand God perfectly and He doesn't ask us to. To understand Him perfectly would be to become Him or to be above Him and that's not possible.
Hey, i was hesitant to write this, because i don't even know if you see my message as a positive, but maybe you do. I am a universalist and even an orthodox christian (greek orthodox), but i am also trans. Whenever it comes to identity and christians talking about it, i am anxious of listening to it. Most of my experiences in christian circles were miserable, but i try to give everyone a chance and listen to them, not just pre-judging them for the position i assume they have. This video wasn't what i expected. Generally, videos with the topic of "identity" are either another gut punch or not that insightful. Yours was wonderful and touched on some of my own intuitions. I always understood my identity as a calling or a promise. Israel didn't start in the promised land. Abraham was called from Ur. And Jesus was born far away from home. We aren't anything. We are a striving and becoming of the fullness of ourselves already present within God. To put it in my own experience, i am a woman through the promise of God that i a meant to become one. Identity is a paradox, because it is through the thing it becomes. Like the kingdom of God itself; it already is here, but not yet seen. I guess this video wasn't meant as trans-affirming, but even if you disagree with me, let me still thank you for this message. I rarely feel like there is even a place for me as myself in the body of Christ and this video made me feel like there is one. Thank you and be blessed ❤
Hey bro, I absolutely love this channel and it’s opened my heart to seeing our beautiful God in a light that I may have not if I’d never seen your channel. I think I’m on my way to believing this but I must ask, what’s the universalists response to the book of life? Thank you and keep up the great work🙏🙏❤️
Wow! This was utterly poignant in it's clarity! It is trusting in His perfection and not our perfect understanding, that will lead us home to Him! To the praise of His glorious grace.....and His utter perfection! Many Thanks!
Thank you again. Jesus King of Kings, The Lamb of God.
Keep these videos coming! They've helped me see the true God who eventually will redeem all of his creation.
Unfortunantly universalism is not true
Amazing video! I'm going to go watch every video you've made! God bless you!
The conundrum: Christianity with eternal punishment is undesirable to the point of driving one to insanity when contemplating it. But without eternal punishment, Christianity doesn't win Pascal's Wager, and that's all this religion has.
Well there is the possibility of reincarnation into unlimited human lives or that of glorification into the millennium and beyond. I believe God will not force himself unto anyone but all will be persuaded by his love. In Isaiah 45 we read that Jehovah which sent and was Jesus is the savior of all men. And every one will confess their tongue and bow their knees to Jesus. So there is nothing and no one who is beyond salvation. It's just that some may need to go through many lives on earth before they are ready to embrace God's way of loving God and others.
Aloha! I'm curious... are you aware that every single one of the ancient Christian universalists -- including Saints Athanasius of Alexandria, the "Father of orthodoxy" , and Gregory of Nyssa, the "Father of Fathers" per Nicea II -- were all Catholic (all the essential doctrines & sacraments, sacramental understanding of the holy Church, hierarchical structure of the Church, as from the Beginning)? And conversely, to my fellow Catholics of all ritual Churches, are YOU aware that every single orthodox-catholic Christian in the "primitive" Church was also universalist (to one degree or another)? The true, holy, apostolic Tradition of the universal Church - from the beginning - is Universalist! A Byzantine Catholic, from Hawai'i, here in SoCal. Mahalo for your witness, Sir!
Would you be able to do a video specifically about the word "Aion"? It's usually translated as "age" like in YLT, but in popular bibles, they keep it as "forever and ever" when it comes to the second death?
Thanks for the comment! In my latest video (Eternal Life versus Eternal Punishment) I talk about aion in a fair amount of detail. Have you already seen that one?
Universalism is heresy ,unfortunantly universalism is not true
*"What Is Christian Universalism?"* An end-time delusion.
So, Eternal Torment is your best move of God's grace? WOW....
@@timwilkins2008 Let me put your mind at ease, Tim. The Bible nowhere threatens the unsaved with eternal torment.
Jesus is divine mercy 🙏 I do think He saves all, He is God. Jesus I trust in you.
But Origen was indeed a heretic which can only shed doubt on anything he said... He had doubtful ideas (like reincarnation) and was taught by Clement of Alexandria who was also a heretic. Clement was more than heavily influenced by pagan beliefs as it can be seen in his works, his parents worshipping multiple gods and his own Christian theology largely tainted by Greek philosophies and highly unorthodox beliefs (reincarnation as well, among other things). Although he was orthodox and highly appreciated in some regards, he was also clearly doing a sort of syncretism in regards to other things and was eventually declared heretic because of that. The 1st century Apostolic Fathers like Clement of Rome, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr and 1st/2nd century texts such as the Didache show that these people absolutely did not believe in the salvation/eternal life of non-believers or were not particularly hopeful in that regard, quite the contrary... I don't see how we can then affirm that the early Church widely believed this when, in fact, the earliest writings of this early Church we have either do not imply universalism at all at best, or explicitly teach against it at worst. This makes it seems like universal salvation was another Greek heresy that crept into the early Church through people like Origen and such, and some other kind-hearted Church Fathers accepted it because they thought it was a nice idea - like we do today. The fact a doctrine was present in the early Church doesn't make it correct, especially when the Apostolic Fathers, the closest we have from Jesus, didn't even mention it. The apokatastasis is literally a stoic concept. It just got translated and adapted to Christianity by some of these Greek influenced Church Fathers because they had another worldview than the Biblical Christian one and they thought this was a better understanding of the character of God based on their false philosophies... At least, this is what it really looks like. Do you have other resources regarding the Apostolic Fathers that could demonstrate this to be false ? Because I've looked up all I could and this is the conclusion I got from it.
@20:14 It is primarily a quality but this quality will last forever and ever once one enters the afterlife, correct? I think I agree in one sense of the term. @35:04 Invincible ignorance: lack of knowledge about Christ and the Church not due to a deliberate choice or negligence, but rather a situation where you have no access to the truth or cannot understand the truth due to circumstances. God will judge us according to the light made available to us. Our God is merciful and just not some arbitrary celestial fatherless judge in a Calvinistic courtroom. We are adopted children within the household of faith (familial not merely judicial).
@2:25 Make whatever decision seems right to me? That leads to individualism, skepticism, and relativism does it not? That does not seem like something Jesus would say. It is not about personal preferences but the objective truth of the matter, right? Also, what do you think of the hermeneutical proximity approach? I think we need to be careful not to treat scripture as if it were a theological textbook.
The word in Greek is Aion satanically mistranslated eternity where the ohso obvious translation is Eon. Words such as eternity eternal everlasting forever and ever do not exist in a properly translated Scripture. HUGE truth. HUGE difference. The five eons. Since the flood we have been in the third what Paul called the most wicked eon. The 1000 years the fourth, the new heavens and earth the fifth, after which our Lord abolishes death sin and evil and even Satan is graced with vivification, life beyond death.
@20:02 Still not sure what to think about this analogy. I do hold to post-mortem sanctification of the souls of the elect prior to heaven if these saved souls are in need of final sanctification. Some are not in need of such a final sanctification such as St. Dismas. I do believe in both eternal (Hell) and temporal punishment (Purgatory) but the eternal punishment (Hell) could be empty.
I agree with you that Christ uses a lot of hyperbole. I have not cut off any limbs lately. However, how do you interpret Luke 12:46-48? Mark 9:43? I still believe Universalism is within the realm of possibility (Hell could be empty of human souls) because of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Salvation is possible to all because the Atonement is unlimited. Redemption has been offered to all but the individual must repent and accept the offer of salvation and abide in salvation (Christ maintains and gives us operative grace that we may freely abide) to the end in order for the gift to be effectual in one's life, correct? How do you define a gift? What happens if you reject or neglect a gift?
Amen, encouraging. Also, and I know this is off topic a little, but can you join me in prayer, as a fellow Englishman who's channel is, "GNG Resurrected", is so close to the truth of Universalism, he is free-grace in his theology atm. God bless.
Your channel along with the channel "The Total Victory of Christ" have significantly reshaped my understanding of Christianity and given me the desire to take the faith seriously, you two have opened my mind and given me a re-found faith, hope, and love in Christ, thanks!
Thanks so much for sharing and for the encouragement! Thankful for you and for a God who offers us such good news!
Make sure you share both channels around, to people you know, and people online! I used their videos to help bring a friend of mine to faith!
@19:53 The text says, "and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross." I don't see where the text mentions Gehenna. I realize there is a distinction in the greek Hades/Gehenna, place of the dead, spirit prison, paradise, Abraham's Bosom. When the Nicean Creed states "Hell" it is referring to Hades (place of the dead) not Gehenna (place of the damned). How is the doctrine of universalism compatible with the Nicean faith? How and where? I do believe "Hopeful Universalism" is possible, it is possible but not apocatastasis.
@15:40 the ones He reconciles are willing participants. Agreed! MacArthur is practicing the individualistic approach of "scripture interprets scripture".
@1:03 How do you know scripture is pointing to the right and these protestant pastors are pointing to the left? At this point, you have your interpretation and MacArthur has his interpretation so how am I to (a person on the outside looking in) to solve this obscurity of scripture issue? If it is so perspicuous it wouldn't be questioned. MacArthur is a false teacher when it comes to this text and is guilty of eisegesis, correct? I agree we need to pray for wisdom, to read widely, seek counsel and consider the whole totality of scripture. Who do we need to seek counsel from? Who are the true teachers (Romans 10:15, 1 John 2:19, Eph 4:11, Matthew 18:17). @3:17 Are you holding the Nicean Creed as a true ecclesiastical authority, if so, why? @7:15 I agree with everything you have said up to this point. Christ is a divine being the Creator of all things. @8:13 We need to keep reading. Col 1:23 IF you continue in your faith, established and firm, and DO NOT move from the hope held out in the gospel. @10:03 God is not a Calvinist. God will not force anyone to summit or force anyone to repent. God respects our freedom. This is why we can still commit daily sins even after the rebirth and reconciliation. We must not allow our hearts to grow cold or make a shipwreck of our faith, or soil our garments or become a prodigal son who does not return to the Father's banquet table. @10:55 Absolutely agree! Scripture can not contradict itself. This passage of scripture or any passage of scripture is not teaching the doctrine of apocatastasis. It is not teaching that fallen angels and Satan are going to be redeemed. @11:31 If Scripture interprets Scripture and is the best hermeneutical formula, who decides what scripture passages are to interpret what? Who becomes the final authoritative interpreter? Who decides what is obscure and what is perspicuous? What did the early Chrisitans do when faced with an issue (Acts 15) we don't see them all pulling out their bibles but submitting to the decision of the church council, correct? This other approach of "scripture interpreting scripture" leads to individualism and relativism.
Interesting thoughts. However, when you rely on others interpretation of scripture instead of the Bible itself with the awareness and the knowledge that the Lord Jesus sent us His HOLY Spirit to teach, guide and understand ALL truth (John 16:13 & 1 John 2:27) through His Word and not men's limited understanding, because you will ll be left with a thousand different views. I've come to understand that I will probably never know fully how God saves, judges and rewards His children and I can live with knowing enough of His love to accept my limited knowledge.
Thanks for commenting! Sounds like you’ve made a sound, smart decision. Thanks for sharing! I absolutely agree that we need to trust in the Spirit’s guidance. But I think we have to filter everything we think of as the Spirit’s guidance through scripture. While I definitely quote a lot of people, there’s nothing that I defend on the channel that I don’t base on scripture. I really do appreciate your take. Thanks again for sharing!
How do you know you have the correct canon of scripture? Where did you get the 27 books of NT canon? It didn't fall from the sky, you are relying on Sacred Tradition (church councils). Otherwise Christ would need to deliver the canon individually to ever Christian at their doorstep. But, historically this is not the case and we don't have Christians running around with their own private canon. We must make sure we are reading the scriptures in harmony with the church and not exclusively in an individualistic manner. This leads to heresy, individualism, and realitivism. (See Matthew 16:18) No need to church shop, Christ gave us His Church.
See Luke 12:46-48
Who are the true/real pastors (Romans 10:15, 1John 2:19)?
Eternal life is a quality of life, unity with the blessed Trinity. Jesus is eternal life. It doesn't depend on my possession of it. When scripture speaks in John 3 Whoever.."Has" eternal life it means we are experiencing the life of God right now, not something we are looking forward to in the future (Heaven) It can mean Heaven but not always and this is what leads to heretical doctrines such as once saved, always saved because it is reading into the text non-biblical meanings into the biblical terms .
What about apocatastasis? It would be an injustice. How do you know you are interpreting scripture properly? How do you know you have the correct books in your canon? How do you determine between non-essential vs. essential doctrines? How can something revealed by God be non-essential? Universalism is possible if all reach repentance prior to death. I am not saying it is impossible since Christ died for all so we can hope that it is true. But you can't have universalism if Hell has even one person, because Hell is eternal. "The doors of Hell are locked from the inside."
@@apostolicapologetics4829 Thanks for commenting! There’s a video on the channel about “Essential Doctrine According to Christian Universalism.” This may address some of your questions. I am curious as to why you think apocatastasis is an injustice, though. This is a New Testament term. Care to elaborate?
@orthodoxuniversalist To my knowledge it is not a biblical term. But that wouldn't deter me since I don't hold to Sola/Solo scripture. Example: The Trinity is a non biblical term. But non-biblical doesn't equal anti biblical. The question is did it come to us from the Apostles. It must harmonize with Scripture and it can't contradict scripture but it doesn't have to be exclusively written down to be Apostolic. The canon itself came out of the already preached Apostolic oral teachings and Councils (Acts 15) (2 Thess 2:15). Apocatastasis would be an injustice not universalism if all reach repentance prior to their death. We can hope for all souls not all creatures (fallen angels and Satan). Additionally, we need to ask, What is meant by "all" and the "restoration" of what? Even the damned get their bodies back a resurrection of the just and unjust.
@ see the Greek for Acts 3:21. Also, just out of curiosity, what do you do with passages like Colossians 1:15-20? It seems pretty conclusive.
@@orthodoxuniversalist God will restore everything to proper order. There will be a new Heaven and a new earth. That does not mean the damned will be saved. Col 1:15-20 does not say the damned will be saved. How are you interpreting these passages? How do you know your interpretation is correct? Just curious. Trying to understand your viewpoint. Are you holding to apocatastasis or universalism?
@@orthodoxuniversalist Additionally, How do you define a gift? Does a gift need to be freely received to be effectual in our lives? What happens if we neglect or reject a gift?
Here are Bible verses often cited against universalism (the idea that all people will ultimately be saved): *Old Testament* 1. *Psalm 9:17*: "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God." 2. *Proverbs 10:24*: "What the wicked fears will come upon him, but the desire of the righteous will be granted." 3. *Daniel 12:2*: "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." *New Testament* 1. *Matthew 25:41*: "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'" 2. *Matthew 25:46*: "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." 3. *Luke 16:19-31*: The parable of Lazarus and the rich man, illustrating eternal separation. 4. *John 3:36*: "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him." 5. *2 Thessalonians 1:8-9*: "In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ." 6. *Revelation 20:15*: "Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire." *Verses Emphasizing the Importance of Faith and Salvation* 1. *John 14:6*: "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'" 2. *Acts 4:12*: "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." 3. *Romans 10:9-10*: "If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." *Additional Resources* For further study and understanding, consider consulting: 1. Scripture commentaries (e.g., Matthew Henry, John MacArthur) 2. Theological texts (e.g., "Systematic Theology" by Wayne Grudem) 3. Christian apologetics resources (e.g., C.S. Lewis, Ravi Zacharias) Would you like more information or specific biblical responses to universalist arguments? Source: meta ai with llama
@@JESUSisLORD2024 And yet, all of these verses can be thoroughly explained as essential and coherent parts of a Christian Universalist framework. But I’ve yet to hear a single good argument for reconciling Colossians 1:15-20 with the idea that any measure of humanity will never be reconciled to God. Colossians 1:15-20 proves universal reconciliation.
Many people don't want to believe in hell because they know they will probably be going there. Don't cherry pick the bible. Heed the warnings and repent now. There will be no second chance.
Awesome video as always. I was wondering if you had any advice on talking about patristic universalism with others when fellow Christians are discussing issues about hell I fear and have felt ostracization when sharing my opinion even though they don't actually argue against me particularly scripturally but just look down on me for holding the viewI.
Thanks for the comment! I’m sorry that this has been your experience. I’ve been blessed with several friends that are open to having the discussion cordially, even if they express disagreement. However, I don’t make universal salvation a topic of frequent discussion with fellow believers. There is so much truth to share and celebrate in Christianity. So, I tend to emphasize the big things that we can all agree on and try to trust God that his timing will be perfect if/when the opportunity for discussing universalism arises. Not sure this helps but thanks again! Prayers again that you’ll find peace in this area.
So justification by faith is a false theology?
@@paulosborne4993 No. My argument is that a limitation on when faith can be exercised is false.
@ so Hitler, Stalin and Jimmy Saville can find faith after their death and spend eternity in heaven along with their victims? Jesus spoke of the rich man and Lazarus who were separated by a fixed boundary.
@@paulosborne4993 1 million years from now, you don’t think such a possibility would be reasonable?
@@orthodoxuniversalist that’s not theology that’s mere speculation.
@@paulosborne4993 Well, let’s just consider the text you mentioned, about Lazarus and the rich man (Luke 16). It’s important to note that hades is the specific domain of suffering referred to in that text, and hades is destined to be destroyed (Revelation 20:14). This rules out any notion that Luke 16 describes a domain of never ending torment. Yet Christ’s words in Matthew 5:26 explicitly indicate that a person can offer some sort of recognition for their due penalty (the “last penny” which is potentially figurative of the same recognition that we all currently offer: faith in Christ as our necessary savior from sin) and thereafter “get out” of the prison of hell.
I was hoping you could comment on Matthew 7:21-23, which ends with "Depart from me I never knew you..." where Jesus is clearly stating not all will enter the kingdom of heaven. In you opinion what is to become of these souls?
Thanks for the comment! I fully believe that many people will “depart” from the throne of Christ and be cast into the prison of hell. I simply also believe that the last penny can be paid and they can then “get out” (Matthew 5:26).
I didn’t even consider universalism until I made a decision to love people the way Jesus said to love people, even enemies, even them that hate you & curse you. Then I kept thinking, there’s no way my love is greater than God’s love. I can love, forgive, be merciful to everyone, but God can’t? I’m superior to God? Jesus is the one who said that by loving EVERYONE I would actually be perfect AS my Heavenly Father is perfect. If God loves all, Jesus died for all & His mercy is everlasting & love never fails & all things are possible with God, what could possibly stop God from saving all who died in Adam, the SON of GOD?
@@BingoNamo-gb8pz Awesome stuff! These are points that are too often not considered. Thanks for sharing!
I’m really curious to know how you would explain the fact that Jesus several times uses the expression “it would have been better if they hadn’t been born at all”. If torment in hell is temporary but life in heaven is infinite, the net gain (qualitatively and quantitatively) should always be (infinitely) positive for whoever was born. In other words, it’s always better to be born than not. Which would contradict what Jesus says. (Please, don’t tell me Jesus was using a hyperbole. I would like to hear a much stronger argument).
Thanks for the comment! You’ll find a whole video on this topic on the channel, specifically as it concerns Judas. I would really appreciate your thoughts on the arguments I present. Thanks again!
@ thanks! I watched the video. You made 2 main points: 1. Jesus was talking hyperbolically 2. Being born is different from existing Option 1, as I had already anticipated, is just way too weak for me. Option 2, I admit, is a sort of very clever attempt to escape from an apparent dead end (I had never thought about that nuance). However, I still think the argument has a huge logical flaw. I will put out a quick video and tag you, because I would like to get your honest opinion (maybe there’s something I’m still missing). God bless you.
@@thejerichoconnection3473 Amazing! Thanks for the reply! I’ll look out for the video
So good! Thank you 😊