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Why we remember the Achilles vs Hector fight
The Hector vs. Achilles fight from Troy (2004) is one of the most iconic duels in cinematic history. In this video essay, I break down how the fight's visual storytelling, choreography, and character dynamics make it so unforgettable. From Achilles' mythic presence to Hector’s quiet acceptance of fate, every shot tells a deeper story. We’ll explore the use of cinematography, shot composition, and editing to highlight the emotional stakes and power dynamics of the scene. This is more than just a fight, it’s a clash of pride, duty and destiny that still resonates with audiences today.
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  • @etoeto6754
    @etoeto6754 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I remmember it because i have good memory

  • @elnino1759
    @elnino1759 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Same things happened in real life. The prideful, narcissistic people usually won against the honourable ones

  • @washingtonstatemyworldmyfi1883
    @washingtonstatemyworldmyfi1883 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We need a training day 2 in 2025

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@washingtonstatemyworldmyfi1883 I’d be all for that 😎

  • @bhavdeeprehal8827
    @bhavdeeprehal8827 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tigers not lions

  • @tolucafan101
    @tolucafan101 วันที่ผ่านมา

    4:45 No wasted movements! His side step was used to block the blade with his shin guard while strengthening his stance! 😎

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tolucafan101 Yeah! It’s seriously such an underrated choreographed fight 👏🏽

  • @johnolmos8670
    @johnolmos8670 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the greatest mollywops in history

  • @ThePauseMenuVlog
    @ThePauseMenuVlog วันที่ผ่านมา

    I fucking love film analysis and psychology breakdowns of movies!

  • @vercingetorix444
    @vercingetorix444 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a stupid movie for stupid people at the end of the day

  • @Ethereal18
    @Ethereal18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well...i don't, but i always remember Braveheart battle fight and gladiator 1 diamond fight

  • @SamP-by7iv
    @SamP-by7iv วันที่ผ่านมา

    The choreography in this film was awesome.

    • @Diogolindir
      @Diogolindir 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, it was the first time I thought that spear fighting is cool

  • @JohnDoe-wt9ek
    @JohnDoe-wt9ek วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is the peak of the film... This is it. And Jesse was the on the spot replacement because the original guy quit, or couldn't make it, whatever... AND, its only terrifying because these idiots STUMBLED upon him by fucking off in the first place... If they had any type of situational awareness and common sense, they'd avoid situations like this... Entirely... And this instant is one of MANY instances in which they're "caught up" in some drama, and just happen to walk away due to some serious plot armor... Except the end, because "Tragic" D:. Fucking waah.

    • @JohnDoe-wt9ek
      @JohnDoe-wt9ek วันที่ผ่านมา

      I also want to throw it out there, that this is rather underhanded in portrayal, because the US Army, just 3 years ago, tried to do this whole "Anti-Extremism" Training and Campaign to oust extremists (AKA: White Men. Just white men. Anyone displaying Gadsden Flags, or "anti-government" sentiments that are historic flags of America's past? Easy targets for Military Persecution). And in the last 30 years of "combating" extremism in the US Army, there's only been a handful of white supremists in its ranks. All of them arrested, charged, and then subsequently drummed out of the service. But don't let that distract you from angry white racist nazi man.

  • @HarupertBeagleton-dz5gw
    @HarupertBeagleton-dz5gw วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hector had no honor. He lost it all when he backed his brother's bs that got thousands killed. He wasn't in the right. He was too prideful to let his brother face justice.

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He loved his brother deeply and stood by him, even when he knew he was in the wrong. His honour lay not in blind loyalty but in his willingness to confront his brother's mistakes while still refusing to let him be slaughtered before his eyes. He was honourable in defending his homeland, and perhaps most of all, in facing Achilles, a fight he knew he was unlikely to win but did so anyway. Just my opinion though

    • @bjam27
      @bjam27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@fromthescreen123everyone fights for what they don't have

  • @Lilbluepenguin10
    @Lilbluepenguin10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No shakey cam!

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes I agree! It doesn't suit the scene in my opinion.

  • @2007PontiacVibe
    @2007PontiacVibe วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another subtle piece of character design I love that's not mentioned in this video is the fact that if you look at his hands, his knuckles are severely bruised and are caked with dried blood.

  • @benjamingarrett9960
    @benjamingarrett9960 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All that happened because his brother Perseus couldn't keep it in his pants and likes to sleep with other men's women

  • @albertkelley6231
    @albertkelley6231 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great breakdown.

  • @Gatyr
    @Gatyr วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the analysis.

  • @cinemafatale
    @cinemafatale วันที่ผ่านมา

    Also a brilliant soundtrack for the fight scene which the director's cut absolutely butchered with the overly dramatic strings replacing the primal drums

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes I LOVE the original. I had a whole segment devoted to it but ended up getting rid of it. The war drums beat like a ticking time bomb, it's brilliant

    • @cinemafatale
      @cinemafatale วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ it also leaves enough room for silence and the Foley work with the vibrating metal - love your work by the way

  • @ridiqulos
    @ridiqulos วันที่ผ่านมา

    I remember when this movie came out, it was basically laughed at and not taken seriously. After a few decades, this movie is actually great and definitely re-watchable.

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah definitely It’s such an epic

    • @donrennis7585
      @donrennis7585 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I never understood why it was criticized at the time. This was one of my most watch DVDS back in the day. Looking back though, maybe it's because so many similar, historical movies were being made at the time, after the success of gladiator. People got sick of them maybe.

  • @nortonwedge
    @nortonwedge วันที่ผ่านมา

    Anyone know where i can find a video about Pitt's training and choreography from this film? All that's talked about is his diet and exercise. And great video btw!

  • @aracelymoran2504
    @aracelymoran2504 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Achiles was just a self centered bloodthirsty warlord, whose thrill was the fight itself, hence his need to want to fight Hector to avenge the death of some one who voluntarily chose to go into the battlefield where death was one of the outcomes. Achiles had no reason to feel resentful toward Hector for doing his job as a warrior (slay his enemies and live another day), whereas Patrocolus failed as a warrior (dying). There was no need to humiliate Hector's dead body. A real "dick" move on his part. But fate/karma/casuality took care of Achiles and had him die is the most humiliating way - from a sissy ass arrow, not on the battlefield by a great warrior as hector's fate was.

  • @davidortiz3094
    @davidortiz3094 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's vice versa. Don't apply modern concepts to ancient times. It does not work. Warriors reclaiming the honor of a fallen brother isn't even new. It occurs even today lol

  • @patrickdempsey9706
    @patrickdempsey9706 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don’t remember the fight though was it after Paul v Tyson?

  • @JazzyJ5G
    @JazzyJ5G วันที่ผ่านมา

    This movie was so epic and moving to me (even spiritually), that I saw it over 12 times in the theater! (Only Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon grabbed me as much)!!

  • @JonathanKeys-f3m
    @JonathanKeys-f3m วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always felt that Hector was weakened in the fight by the guilt that he felt for killing patroclus, Achilles cousin who was only a child who pretended to be Achilles to face off against hector. There may have been a chance for victory for ha if his heart was in the fight. Now I believe that Achilles was a better warrior, he seems to be portrayed as such in the film. But you can defeat someone in battle who is better than you, everyone is capable for a moment of being 110 or 120 or 150% of what they are

    • @aracelymoran2504
      @aracelymoran2504 วันที่ผ่านมา

      +@JonathanKeys-f3m Hardly a child, but frown enough to pass for Achilles.

  • @DanielMatchless
    @DanielMatchless วันที่ผ่านมา

    God, that shot of Hector removing his helmet will always piss me off. Such a high budget film and they can't give a main character an actual metal helmet for a closeup shot of him removing it during his climactic appearance in the film. The fucking helmet flexes so blatantly, like the rubber it clearly is, and it drives me insane. It's one thing to have hilariously obvious rubber armor in Sci-fi miniseries or Star Trek type low budget TV stuff, but here? You couldn't find room in the budget for ONE metal helmet? FOH

    • @karma_iswhoIam
      @karma_iswhoIam วันที่ผ่านมา

      Of course they would never take off their helmets in battle in the first place.

  • @M1XEDBAG
    @M1XEDBAG วันที่ผ่านมา

    You could hear a pin drop in the theater during this scene... Very tense

  • @wilcardso2816
    @wilcardso2816 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They would need a new bathtub after that

  • @onderguler1994
    @onderguler1994 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brilliant video. How have you only got 640 views on it????

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@onderguler1994 thanks :) Glad you enjoyed it! Haha your guess is as good as mine!

  • @FunnyBrendan
    @FunnyBrendan วันที่ผ่านมา

    this movie sucks so much.

  • @Mewwnii
    @Mewwnii วันที่ผ่านมา

    5:00 I've always viewed this scene as Achilles showing that he's the better of the two fighters! Purposely handicapping himself by not actually using the shield even though Hector is. I'd thought it fit with what we're shown of his braggart/glory hungry personality. Though I do really like your interpretation of Achilles realizing he needs to fight smarter against such a strong opponent 😊

  • @the46thchamber65
    @the46thchamber65 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My dad would joke that Achilles was going to be out of stamina for the fight because he was outside the gate yelling “HECTOR!!!” for too long 😂

  • @felipepereverzieff1992
    @felipepereverzieff1992 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The heck, man, your videos are just great! Keep up the great work. This makes me relive the old, great epic movies we used to watch on the cassette player. I miss the good old movies that are no longer being produced for reasons we all already know.

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@felipepereverzieff1992 thanks man, glad you’re enjoying them :) Yeah they just don’t make them like this anymore (and yes for reasons we already know) but I have a feeling all that noise will die out in years to come and they’ll start putting out bangers again

  • @Peer165
    @Peer165 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video as always. I always saw it as Duty vs Glory with Hector and Achillies. It's one of my favorite movie fights of all time. Impeccable coreography and very well-shot.

    • @aracelymoran2504
      @aracelymoran2504 วันที่ผ่านมา

      +@Peer165 Exactly. Duty over Glory. One could also say Hector was after glory also, challenging "achiles" (really Patrocolus) and slaying the famed warrior. He ACHIEVED his glory but was denied it finding out it was not Achilles. Movie does Hector wrong portraying Patrocolus as easy to detect, hence in achilles logic, hector HAD to know. Bull crap. Both Achilles and Patrocolus were blood so they had similarities, were both warriors, hence were obligated to stay fit, muscular and top of their game skill wise. ALL the Acheans thought it was Achiles as Trojans and Hector did. Physically they were basically identical,but not skill wise. Him doning Achiles armor was like seeing Achiles himself. So, this goes to my recent post, what grievance could Achilles have other than grief, to slay Hector and humiliate his body over the death of someone who CHOSE to be in the battlefield knowing full well what the results could be (live or die).

  • @jeremiahalonzo
    @jeremiahalonzo วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for the insights! Its scenes like these that show why this movie is still watched and remembered. Very well made video, very insightful, and the point made about shaky cam is pretty crisp. Its a shame that this movie was made during the early 00's era of edglelord film critics that hated things like the prequels, van helsing, and you know, FUN. I'm still waiting for nay-sayers to point me to the Iliad film thats anywhere near as comprehensive or good as this. But sure, films be having flaws, i guess.

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jeremiahalonzo glad you enjoyed it :) Yeah I agree, it might be a bit “Hollywood” but it’s still an epic experience watching this movie. Very underrated piece of cinema in my opinion

  • @mackychloe
    @mackychloe วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great analysis. I like this movie but it's failure is it's more glossy than gritty.

  • @rodrigueilboudo7102
    @rodrigueilboudo7102 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First comment! My first ever! Thanks for this video

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rodrigueilboudo7102 haha you’re welcome :)

  • @samuelperez8860
    @samuelperez8860 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You missed the most important part. When Smiley slouches down to talk to Jake in the hallway

  • @user-kz2yt5ow7r
    @user-kz2yt5ow7r 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tigers not lions

  • @gam3r117
    @gam3r117 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This guy is the English teacher of movie reviewers. What a load of malarkey.

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gam3r117 don’t be jealous little fella

  • @brentwiens2652
    @brentwiens2652 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Surprisingly awesome... earned a sub

  • @beard6295
    @beard6295 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I also noticed the key use of silence in The Fellowship of the Ring, specifically when the hobbits encounter a ringwraith for the first time on the road, and when Lurtz approaches Boromir and starts drawing his bow at him.

  • @magsteel9891
    @magsteel9891 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I thought some parts of the tiger scene made no sense. The tigers mostly don't seem real and at times are sitting around like kitties

    • @whiteknightcat
      @whiteknightcat 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They weren't real. They were completely added through CGI.

  • @gregmyrland2515
    @gregmyrland2515 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the few modern films completed in scale and saga to join classics like Ben Hur, with upgraded special effects. The story is a masterpiece, good vs evil, oppressor vs oppressed, and Russel Crowe and the cast were a perfect mix, directed impeccably, bringing it to life. Films like this are a rarity and it deserved every academy award and nomination it received.

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gregmyrland2515 completely agree 💯

    • @whiteknightcat
      @whiteknightcat 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Interesting that you mentioned Ben Hur, a universally acclaimed epic film from the golden age of Hollywood. The 2016 re-make of it, however, bombed badly. The re-make, which many felt was never needed, apparently focused more on visual spectacle absent character development. The only memorable item from the 2016 film for me was the legionary marching chants which I found both believable and chilling, creating a new interpretation of Roman military life. Heck, I even memorized parts of it!

  • @SethGammon
    @SethGammon 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I imagine this video takes a long time to put together, process the thoughts, edit it into this medium. That being said, I'd watch many more like this, so get on it!

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SethGammon 😂 It does! I upload roughly every 1-2 weeks! Check out my channel 😃

    • @SethGammon
      @SethGammon 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @fromthescreen123 Checked out and subscribed. Listen, you do you, just know you have something here. Your perspective is quality, your editing is great, really captures and permits tasteful intellectualizing. This and the Dark Knight Jokers philosophy are great, about to watch your latest gladiator! Thanks for posting 💕

    • @fromthescreen123
      @fromthescreen123 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ thanks for the kind words :) appreciate it

  • @Screamfancast
    @Screamfancast 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love that you keep saying "push in"

  • @mootseighthecat
    @mootseighthecat 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Had me on the seats edge. You could hear a pin drop in the theatre.lol

  • @MitchDGlitch
    @MitchDGlitch 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What blows my mind most is that, Hectro is not actually Hector but Moreno.... Like that is biggest plot twist in human history.

  • @bassmaiasa1312
    @bassmaiasa1312 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My favorite scene in Boogie Nights is the final track when Burt Reynolds walks through his home where he has collected all these human losers into a family, and we see William Macy's portrait on the wall. Macy is the apex actor, typecast as all these wimpy losers but then he absolutely proton bombs the typecasting in 'Shameless.'