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Entitled? Actually shooting guns and not liking gimmick products is entitled? You neatly ignored a lot of very specific points and if youre actually gonna argue people who don’t shoot should waste their money on something they won’t break because they don’t actually use it what point are you even making. It wouldn’t even matter if they had it or didn’t have it if they didn’t train and they’d still be out 200$. Dog you sound vindictive. You’re emotional tied to an overpriced recoil system.

I must say someone being pissed off how I spend my own money is definitely a new one for me.

Bolts never had problems locking to the rear. What you’re talking about has never been an issue nor is it even the subject of this review or the problems with this product. Regardless of the pressure this system was fired suppressed and unsuppressed and the system failed at the exact round count JP claimed it would which again, they do not openly tell you when you purchase the product. And it’s not about fine tuning, fine tuning is a gas port drilled properly to allow the gun to cycle and fire reliably. If you have a properly built “duty” style rifle using a BCM upper your failure point shouldn’t be a recoil spring assembly.

Yes I’m aware, this video is now 2 years old and one drastically different economy out of date. Times change.

Really? because you dig into Johnny Glock deep enough you will find similar inconsistencies like all trigger manufacturers. I’ve seen plenty of his content digging deep into the internals. None of these triggers are “go to war” triggers, that’s a ridiculous statement. This comment your making seems like you didn’t watch the video because if you did it would highlight the fact that these people who have good reputations and their companies both clearly demonstrated incompetence at best and dishonesty at worst. Nobody in a fucking warzone is running anything outside of a factory trigger for blatantly obvious reasons. You simply saying you have aftermarket triggers doesn’t mean you’ve actually shot them heavily or taken them anywhere outside of a flat range either.

You’re not the first person to be freaked out by my thump flexibility. It is what it is.

Enough that 2 years later people still comment about it

As far as I could tell with the armorers plate on the back there wasn’t any contact the second time I adjusted the trigger. First time I adjusted it there might have been but I immediately stopped using it that first week. The second week after it was adjusted again is when it still continued to have light strikes spanning 400 rounds in one range session. Again the striker did not drag on the cruciform when it was adjusted the second time

I really doubt the frame is out of spec. Quite literally has never had issues and continues not to have issues as I continue training for uspsa matches. This gun had 9k through it and by the end of next month it will have an additional 2k. It’s getting 1000-2000 rounds per month fired in it right now with maybe 1 light primer striker per 400-500 rounds with whatever cheap ammo I can get my hands on. That especially with shitty ammo with military primers is exceptionally good performance. I would have considered my gun the problem until those email exchanges demonstrated people saying things that either A, mean nothing, or B, demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the Glocks internal mechanisms.

@@autonomousdefense interesting. Yea when I first got started, I picked up two Tactical Triggers and for awhile they worked great in My G17 Gen3 and G19 Gen 5. But after a while, I didn’t like the idea of drilling into the housing and monkey-ing around with set screws so I opted to go for a more “factory” style approach, and as I said Overwatch is where I landed on. It’s too bad cause my Tactical Triggers ran great for approx 5K rounds… HOWEVER… I will say it did take some work to get them to function in my both frames, and whenever I tried those triggers on other frames as I started shooting more and acquiring more guns, they WOULD NOT work in any other frame. So I definitely feel your pain. If you ever get the chance to try the Overwatch TAC trigger (or Falx if you prefer curved) I have a feeling you’ll like it a lot. Especially since Overwatch uses stock Glock trigger bars and DOES NOT modify them, they only add NP3 coatings to protect the metal longer.

@@SullyCortez I’ll keep that in mind for sure. appreciate the input.

Yup.

Yup.

Also, the shoe is polymer and can be shaped to the point that it is flat faced at a 90° break for the bottom half of the trigger you interface with. Smoothed and flush trigger blade when depressed. And it's all free to do

@@dylanholbrook6239 I’m aware of all this my factory setup with a minus connector sits at 3.5lb and with its high round count it’s pretty smooth. That’s part of the reason I made this video because the factory configuration is already pretty good. I haven’t considered altering the shoe to resemble a flat face or making the safety tab flush. I’ve definitely done more complicated things than that so maybe I’ll alter the shoe.

If I’m not mistaken that is quite literally just a trigger shoe and not a trigger bar, connector, or trigger housing block. Good I would hope it works if it’s done bother to alter the pre travel and over travel

By their own admission this trigger was defective and their customer service lead not only argued in the face of a video but did so in a condescending way. Im pretty sure the only reason my email got sent to someone higher up at apex was because of the exact words “I will make this known” I can’t tell you the last time I heard an apex trigger fail because nobody uses them. Relatively speaking, to how many people shoot glocks and shoot them at a high level, very few people actually use apex.

Frankly this was a spectacular fuck up on their behalf. Let me ask you, if it was that easy for someone to make themselves look like an idiot and then have someone else at their company overwrite their decision, would you trust them to manufacture a trigger especially when their policies basically give them immunity or at the very least attempt to give them legal immunity should the system fail.

Some of them do work well some of the time and nobody seems to be able to explain that fact or admit to it. That isn’t exactly what you would call a “finished” product if half the time it doesn’t work or it objectively works only when the drop safety shelf isn’t physically engaged. Which several triggers do in fact “work” but don’t engaged the safety shelf when the trigger is in the safety position without the slide.

It’s also very funny that if that is in fact intentional by companies they sure don’t stand their ground on that fact if you put pressure on them like apex clearly didn’t.

In this specific case apex’s gen 5 aluminum shoe and trigger bar and tactical trigger LLC’s aluminum shoe, bar, and block. Also the Haley strategic skimmer trigger doing the same thing the apex is. If we’re talking about triggers at large I’ve seen several other brands fail and have issues

They really don’t like to get dirty. Glocks own recommendations are to clean and lubricate it after each use. Having had my hands on one the reset starts to get really fucked up. Personally I don’t like any of that from what I’ve seen and heard most people switch away from it. There also appears to be a difference between the original test versions and the commercial released version. The released version seems to have had more problems than the originals. I also don’t like the Timney triggers for the same reason. Everyone thought it was revolutionary and the next big thing till about 5 months later failures upon failures upon failures became more and more widely known.

@@autonomousdefense I appreciate your feedback brotha. Saved me some time and money. I’ll stick to my stock trigger for my edc.

@@Gloccato a minus connector will reduce the pull weight if you want to improve the trigger a little. over time rounds fired through the gun will polish the internals and smooth it out. It’s pretty rare a minus connector is out of spec but I have seen it before albeit rare and for a specific Glock 44. Otherwise they’re cheap and a lot of people make em.

At most a minus connector

I cannot express how badly I wish this shit worked but no matter who manufactures it there is always this rabbit hole of bullshit.

Honestly I don't think there is actually a market for glock triggers. People who train really hard dont really use them and people who are hyper competitive in USPSA usually run a different handgun altogether. I'm pretty sure this is one of the main reasons whenever you look into ANYONES trigger for a Glock they're NEVER, EVER, reliable or consistent between different guns of the same make and model. I'm pretty sure the market exists entirely because people dont generally shoot aftermarket triggers and people don't find flaws in them because of this.

Its a "drop in trigger system" and I've worked with "gunsmiths" and "Armorers" before. Both those titles are thrown around by people who have zero field experience or high volume use with firearms. I've watched "Gunsmiths" fuck up costumers guns, I've watched dudes who had private businesses working on rifles assemble them like dogshit and lie to costumers. I've worked on more rifles and handguns that are used by dudes who actually train with them more than most "Gunsmiths" and "Armorers" have. my skill set is not using Lathes or CNC machines but rather making these relatively easily modified weapons work in extremely high round counts in different environments. Dudes who work on guns are a lot like dudes who work on vehicles. Mechanics will lie and scam the fuck out of you or lie to avoid legal action for damage to your vehicle. I say that as a dude who almost took Valvoline to court a few months ago

I could have shipped the gun to a credible good Glock specialist sure but this is a product with instructions for the end user and is sold as a "Drop in" product. if it is in fact not that, thats false advertising and is a way to get money out of people.

That’s a pretty low round count but I will look into them, they’re the guys who make Johnny glocks vex shoe right?

Preparing for a real world scenario of course! I'm so happy I'm an internet nobody so I can make these jokes

@@ColtPinky real world scenario is crazy😭

TN and around the neighboring states

@@autonomousdefense if ur ever up in northern ky come shoot at ORPCI bro

@@brandon4383. Owensboro rifle pistol club? Yeah I’ll have to sometime, I’ve driven that same distance to train at down zero plenty of times

@autonomousdefense yup thats the one. They have a pistol match every month and i think theres still several 2 gun matches for this year scheduled. Irvington sportsmans club also has a pistol and 2 gun match every month as well

So like don’t get me wrong, I hear you, but I’ll make this very clear incase it was missed: This Glock has 9k through it, before the end of next month it will likely have another 2k fired putting it at 11k. This Glock has had absolutely zero failures minus a single light primer strike in 500 rounds since I put my factory trigger back into the gun. This video also very clearly demonstrates for a fact, companies don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about and would sooner sell you something unsafe than admit they’re lacking experience. I’ve never noticed anything sloppy or wrong with that trigger main pin nothing is different between it and any other Glock I have my hands on at the moment I will consider what you are saying and look into it more

Again these issue only occurred with other peoples trigger bars, trigger bars that aren’t the same generation and can’t even be verified to be in fact OEM parts. Why would I replace my entire frame to resolve a problem isolated specifically to other peoples trigger bars. I’m not dogging you, you’re just a guy giving me feedback but this order of resolution to a problem is the same thing someone who manufactures this stuff would say “it’s not our part it’s your parts, replace everything and it’ll work” meanwhile the actual OEM parts work flawlessly. Historically speaking when a pattern like that happens it’s because someone’s lying to get money out of you. good example is automotive mechanics.

Processing date 04/23/2020 JP enterprise 211$ and 7 cents Straight from them if they’re going for 50-75$ now maybe thats a clear indication nobody is buying their product.

Stupid people like me who work overtime just to fund ammo

God no

Aimpoint T2 1.93 or 2.26 Or just use a 1913 section as a riser for lower mounts

Yes actually, standard spring and a H2 buffer or appropriate weight based on the build. I actually revisited this rabbit hole of tuning guns based off the buffer system and oh boy. The vltor A5 and BCM MK2 systems might be gigantic crocks of shit. Weirdly enough if you look deep enough into it. It appears flat wire springs and higher mass H3-H4 buffers might actually accomplish the same thing JP, vltor, BCM, and giessele. Claim to do with their proprietary recoil systems. It’s really weird how all of these companies all tried accomplishing the same thing. I think I’ve found more people using springco springs and flatwire springs than people who actually use the vltor. Eventually I’ll put out another video about It if I find anything of significant value from trying something other than a standard buffer and spring again. I’ve got a feeling it won’t make that much of a difference.

On god?

Anyone who skips through a video and makes absolute statements that aren’t even said in the video probably shouldn’t post a comment making themselves look stupid. God forbid anyone actually claims the original design that’s changed very little in the last hundred years is somehow superior than gimmick products nobody fucking uses.

​@@autonomousdefenseHave u read these comments? Im not the only one who thinks you're a 🤡 And these are YOUR followers