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Visceral Gravitas
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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2010
Welcome to The Path of Self Mastery!
A place to go beyond the endless victim-hood cycle of a codependent obsessing about narcissists, abusers, and other dangers. Redirecting our attention towards Self Mastery in the 3 domains of Being, Becoming & Belonging.
A place to go beyond the endless victim-hood cycle of a codependent obsessing about narcissists, abusers, and other dangers. Redirecting our attention towards Self Mastery in the 3 domains of Being, Becoming & Belonging.
Dave Snowden Causal model assumptions and Dialogic methods don't work
excerpt from th-cam.com/video/uXvWQzGcNCo/w-d-xo.html
@thecynefincompany
transcript:
but we know that you can't study human beings in terms of creating predictive mechanisms
this has always been my objection to things like a lot of Sociology
which is it tries to adopt a causal model
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
now I knew that didn't work before we even got into the science of it
and the assumption is if you just give people all the right information and tell them how bad things are some somehow or other they will suddenly change their mindset
yeah and magically the world will work
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
I don't like the sort of dialogic methods because they heavily rely on a facilitator and they're not naturalistic in the sense they've been part of a natural process of dialogue
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
because they heavily rely on a facilitator
you're trying to break from dichotomies into dialectics always, right
but you're trying to make that some something which is a distributed function of people's day-to-day work
not something which requires workshops facilitation
which is nearly always imposed by somebody from an external culture
privileging the people who match your expectations
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
and that Enlightenment model of the rational decision maker
if only you give them the right information
oh and by the way if they don't pay attention to it you hit them with it harder and harder and make it worse and worse
that just isn't the way that human beings evolve to make decisions
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
@thecynefincompany
transcript:
but we know that you can't study human beings in terms of creating predictive mechanisms
this has always been my objection to things like a lot of Sociology
which is it tries to adopt a causal model
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
now I knew that didn't work before we even got into the science of it
and the assumption is if you just give people all the right information and tell them how bad things are some somehow or other they will suddenly change their mindset
yeah and magically the world will work
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
I don't like the sort of dialogic methods because they heavily rely on a facilitator and they're not naturalistic in the sense they've been part of a natural process of dialogue
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
because they heavily rely on a facilitator
you're trying to break from dichotomies into dialectics always, right
but you're trying to make that some something which is a distributed function of people's day-to-day work
not something which requires workshops facilitation
which is nearly always imposed by somebody from an external culture
privileging the people who match your expectations
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
and that Enlightenment model of the rational decision maker
if only you give them the right information
oh and by the way if they don't pay attention to it you hit them with it harder and harder and make it worse and worse
that just isn't the way that human beings evolve to make decisions
if I can find these levers and pull these levers it will produce that effect
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The feelings time travel trap
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Excerpt from 8/31/23 Context blind Fragmentation and the 3 THOUGHT disorders 2h17m th-cam.com/video/eT3A39QMYGA/w-d-xo.html Visceral Gravitas Community zoom group 8/31/23 excerpt #vgcommunity Community discussion forum www.visceralgravitas.com Local Washington DC area In person community & online Zoom meetings www.meetup.com/HealingNPDabuse transcript: falling into the double bind what's the tr...
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Mercy vs Justice | Sad & Mad Baby Act-Out TRIGGER-fest | open dialogue group 5/22/21
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Visceral Gravitas Community zoom group dialogue format 5/22/21 Community discussion forum www.visceralgravitas.com Local Washington DC area In person community & online Zoom meetings www.meetup.com/HealingNPDabuse Bradford’s homework to the group: King's Speech ”I have a voice” 5m17s th-cam.com/video/_Z5tt4Fm4H4/w-d-xo.html Follow up resources: Jordan Peterson Masculine vs Feminine aggression/c...
Sam Vaknin Exposure Therapy to Confront and Disarm Trauma Triggers
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excerpt from th-cam.com/video/xrrskAO3hfM/w-d-xo.html @samvaknin transcript: when we treat post-traumatic stress disorders we commit an inordinate number of mistakes and I'm talking now about clinicians for example we force the trauma victim to describe the trauma immediately in the wake of the trauma this is called debriefing this is very bad very bad practice debunked in many many studies ano...
Sam Vaknin How to be a Good Enough Mother
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Excerpt from th-cam.com/video/eFTlUGFvQEU/w-d-xo.html @samvaknin Motherhood is a JOB. Anyone - men, women, an AI robot - can be a "good enough mother". Mother’s main role is to frustrate the child and push it away, allowing it to separate, individuate, and form proper reality testing, get rid of magical thinking. At the same time, the mother needs to be a safe/secure base: empathic, attuned, ca...
Sam Vaknin Three Roles of a Good Enough Mother
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excerpt from th-cam.com/video/Bwz8LDdPfoo/w-d-xo.html @samvaknin Roles of good enough mother: 1. Expose the child to risks (hygiene hypothesis); 2. Push the child away; 3. Mediate reality (organize and interpret it). When is a mother a good (enough) mother? According to Winnicott, when she gradually and increasingly frustrates her child. These cumulative denials of the child's wishes and negati...
The Three TOXIC Defenses: Comfort Conformity & Certainty | BPD, NPD & Codep simplified 9/3/22
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Visceral Gravitas Community zoom group 9/3/22 #VGCommunity #Visceralgravitas Community discussion forum www.visceralgravitas.com Local Washington DC area In person community & online Zoom meetings www.meetup.com/HealingNPDabuse References: Aug 2022 Vaknin-Grannon conversations NPD & BPD shared Fantasy 2h03m th-cam.com/video/Is_8C7FrE7I/w-d-xo.html www.bitchute.com/video/gyqAYFcsXiKv Sam Vaknin ...
Dr Robert Glover What is Integration?
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@Integration_Nation Transcript: what I want to talk with you about is about integration so what is integration integration is the ability to hold two or more seemingly contradictory or opposing views or feelings or realities at the same time can you be angry and content at the same time can you be sad and happy at the same time yeah if we're integrated we can as a friend once told me who said R...
Softening a Rigid Toxic SuperEgo & Re-Owning Humanity 8/6/22
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Visceral Gravitas Community zoom group 8/6/22 #VGCommunity Community discussion forum www.visceralgravitas.com Local Washington DC area In person community & online Zoom meetings www.meetup.com/HealingNPDabuse Further study: www.visceralgravitas.com/d/28-befriending-the-superego-51620 www.visceralgravitas.com/d/43-superego-reframed-as-the-quest-for-social-place
Your Public Self, Social Identity is negotiated between both Conformity & Nature 9/3/22
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Visceral Gravitas Community zoom group 9/3/22 Community discussion forum www.visceralgravitas.com Local Washington DC area In person community & online Zoom meetings www.meetup.com/HealingNPDabuse transcript: and so a good father, a good parent, puts a border of security around the child you know and the mother might be inside that border of security when she has young children and play can tak...
Robert Glover Common Childhood Triggers - from Fearful Reacting to Responding to Needs
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excerpt from vimeo.com/970394589 @Integration_Nation Transcript: I'm gonna get found out hurt left I'm gonna die or lose control and then we react a lot of these reactions come from our senses they're stored in that primitive part of our brain that's all about survival the fight the flight the freeze what subtly comes up most of the times when we react is old really old childhood old infancy ol...
Inside Out Abstract Thought Land 4 Stages = Fragmentation Deconstruction 2-Dimension Non-Figurative
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transcript: I read about this place in the manual we shouldn't go in there Bing Bong says it's the quickest way to headquarters no but joy this is abstract thought what are you talking about I go in here all the time it's a shortcut you see d a n g e r shortcut I'll prove it to you Look at me I'm closer to the station cuz I'm taking the shortcut let's go around this way almost there if you want...
The Thought Disorder Infection trap!! A Belief Bubbles B Language C MEANing 8/31/24
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Visceral Gravitas Community zoom group 8/31/24 Community discussion forum www.visceralgravitas.com Local Washington DC area In person community & online Zoom meetings www.meetup.com/HealingNPDabuse transcript: the trap of thought disorders is that you infect other person with your thought Disorder so you trap them with language or you trap them that who caves to the meanest person who caves to ...
DENIAL on steroids! It's the Trickster Archetype sabotages & pulls all the strings! | 6/29/24
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Visceral Gravitas Community zoom group 6/29/24 Community discussion forum www.visceralgravitas.com Local Washington DC area In person community & online Zoom meetings www.meetup.com/HealingNPDabuse case study clip Holly "I can't handle somebody telling me I'm dishonest" Denial vs Dishonesty | 11/12/22 Afterparty th-cam.com/video/4sVREG70fbI/w-d-xo.html @Eternalised th-cam.com/video/38hwk0BgGNU/...
Madness is the abyss! It's the experience of Utter Annihilation - Psychosis | Dr Lionel Corbett
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Madness is the abyss! It's the experience of Utter Annihilation - Psychosis | Dr Lionel Corbett
Shame "The Whole World has seen that!" A Dense, Heavy GUT, Vice Grip | 10/7/21 Aniekan & Nechama
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Schizophrenic healing - the right interpretation Awakens them! Revella Levin
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Spirit Seers & Listeners = What's the Message??? Gogo Ekhaya Esima
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Earl Hopper Failed Dependency = Fission Fragmentation vs Fusion Confusion - Endless Oscillating
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Investigate Your Demon Terror Constructs to change & dissolve them | Psychedelics Roland Griffiths
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Dr K emotionally bullies Destiny & bulldozes over his Dismissive Avoidant Schizoid Social Mask
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Dr K emotionally bullies Destiny & bulldozes over his Dismissive Avoidant Schizoid Social Mask
Schizoid Counter-dependence = Block Reality vs hidden "I need to be parented!" deep desire?
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The Guilt/Control/Anxiety loop vs MORAL INJURY as the core wound | 9/22/22
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The Guilt/Control/Anxiety loop vs MORAL INJURY as the core wound | 9/22/22
VG gets Zoom Bombed!!! Attempted conversation with bombers | 5/10/24
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VG gets Zoom Bombed!!! Attempted conversation with bombers | 5/10/24
Bill Porter Chinese Chan Relaxed Anarchists vs Japanese Zen Regimented Militaristic
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Bill Porter Chinese Chan Relaxed Anarchists vs Japanese Zen Regimented Militaristic
Moral Outrage is a trick? A clue to self betrayal & loss of agency
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Integrating a Paralyzed 1 year old Inner Child, Frozen in Terror pre-verbal 'mouse' part | 4/20/24
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Integrating a Paralyzed 1 year old Inner Child, Frozen in Terror pre-verbal 'mouse' part | 4/20/24
Bruce only knows the back healing kung fu.
Laugh at people who are in misery?
This woman is in complete denial. Ask her husband
This is so fascinating. I would like to ask though as one takeaway that I got from it is, that one side of this dissociation does not accept and can’t be integrated and also that several sides split should one attempt integration leading to put more resistance up to integrate, so my conclusion is that it can be ‘dangerous’ to do this work as one can build more resistance?
Thank you Deef et al. Brilliantly helpful, giving me lots of pointers. Sorry I can't contribute more but I'm grateful to have access to this 🙏
Sheena😊
I miss him but understand his position 🥹
The way she wriggles around is pathetic. He’s not guilting you for being a woman or calling you lesser, it’s just a matter of fact. She asks, “why must women act this way” there is no “must”, it’s just they do. It’s no different than why we men use physical aggression more, it’s our nature and there’s no changing that. Women can use their skill set for good things, or they can use them for everything that was listed in the toolbelt for bullying they have. While we men can use our aggression or assertiveness for good, we can also use it to hurt ppl unjustifiably. To echo what Jordan said, “ppl aren’t good or evil, they are both”. If you don’t like being called a petty gossiper, or character assassinator, then simply stop.
Oh wow, they thought Michelle was planted. The social contagion of paranoid sabotage is real. “I did not plant her!”
When I was working in female dominated and mixed gender fields, I would regularly have different women in my office upset, crying and telling me about the bullying that is going on among the women in the workplace. Mostly it was the self proclaimed feminists who were the worst bullies of women. On the other hand, the men were quite happy workers.
Awful interviewer.Rude.
Does anyone think that Richard might actually have Borderline personality disorder? 🤔
I'm leaning on RG having Schizoid traits (Cluster A PD), which can look a lot like BPD when they get flooded or enmeshed with someone else. They tend to have difficulties with social demands and expectations, so they can socially mask quite well but have gigantic issues with falling into other's people's frames.
*I've never heard anyone say, "ta-ra", before, what does it mean? 🤔
They are from hell
She's lucky because you showed one of her best videos. I find her very scary, as a person, to be around. She's extremely aggressive and I do believe that she's not well, mentally and psychologically. She has a lot of personal problems in her personal life and she also picks on other influencers subtly. I really wish she realises that she has issues so that she can get help. This is one of the links I'm talking about: th-cam.com/video/Bj1y6Oc7h4w/w-d-xo.html
18:23 Healthy Shame Rule: Mistakes are occasions for learning!! -JB
31:03 why those of us stuck in trauma triggers need EMDR type therapy "work" to shift out of 4F(fight,flight,...) limbic response behavior and into "curious" executive function prefrontal cortex response. Instead of getting triggered by your tone of voice...feeling of anger someone securely attached will not be threatened by your feelings(they are yours to express).
“[Annihilation anxiety] is completely indifferent to serotonin reuptake inhibitors because it is not mediated by serotonin. In fact, the main thing that will calm that kind of anxiety are the benzos and alcohol, the downer drugs. Which may be why a lot of people with substance-use disorders have a certain level of Annihilation anxiety.”
This makes a lot of sense to me, how people will act as their own apothecaries, taking benzos and anti-depressants with alcohol or stimulants like junk food or sugar.
I don’t get it - they feel like they exist if they can kill you?? How does that make sense to a narcissist- someone is trying to do this to me.
1:12:28 this is so good to hear. 😊 it’s true that at some point we can decipher things on our own and avoid external guidance ❤
LOVE THIS
14:23 this three models are as morally sick as one can get. (APD apart) 🤢
I had my first child at 36 and my third and last at 42 years of age. I was a fully grown adult when I was presented with motherhood challenges . I had to take responsibility for their safety without expecting my supporting system to do it for me. No one to blame. I had to wake up and live in reality. I can see how this was life changing for my kids, when I became safe. Unfortunately, most women can’t afford taking time off to process life, think and take accountability and it’s badly reflected in motherhood and how they mess up their children being children themselves.
My theory is that women stop their development in teenage years when confronted to early romantic trauma. Women’s growth is stunted by the unsafe society and financial demands placed on upon them way too early. Without the protection and safety of authority and institutions women are unable to grow and it reflects in motherhood.
Link the full video please
Deef what is your opinion on psychoanalysis? I want to pursue a psychology degree but it is not being taught in university curriculums. Do you think its unscientific or that it has its merit?
I'm quite fond of ISTDP which has been described as modern version of psychoanalysis, maybe a bit more advanced due to it's real time nature and the therapist actively working as a transference canvas. With traditional psychoanalysis, I've heard of people who can get stuck in it for years or decades, that might be due to excess and looping personal explorations unlinked to emotional content within a relational frame (ISTDP actively addresses this)
@@VisceralGravitas Thanks for replying! Did not mean it only as a psychotherapeutic modality, but as a psychological system/set of theories altogether (describing psychological phenomena, drives behind behaviors etc.) Do you think psychoanalysis is useful & 'legit' or unfounded?
@KyriakosChri I think I still use lots of psychoanalysis theories and models, I might lean more on Object Relations by Klein and DW Winnicott, and Jung's contributions which are spin offs of psychoanalysis. The limitation of psychoanalysis might be when it becomes endless self reflection years on end, which ISTDP actively tries deal with. So, I find psychoanalysis useful.
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You just use him for gaining followers. Create your own content!
Thank you for following the channel! 🤷♂
@@VisceralGravitas I come and go and keep my public subs list public so if you are on it, it means you're a hot topic. If not it just means i'm moody about some tiny detail but i come back always just don't make me commit i express myself with buttons, that's all we have.
@@VisceralGravitas you get points for educating us about that one muscular Australian guy from Portugal with a Southern UK accent, three years ago. Thanks for that blog on reddit by the way.
But boys learn to be men by observing men
And that is dumb
@@trustinsynchronicity Role models and mentors Women tend to be the why Men tend to be the how
@@user-jw3vy3kf5f Interesting! Never thought of that. Why, mom? How, dad?
@@user-jw3vy3kf5f men invented a bunch of shit so that only they could fix it and charge us girls hundreds of dollars labor fee for a five minute job.
@@trustinsynchronicity Exactly! That said... Men can change nappies Women can shoot Rifles
The state calls a mothers testing and defusing the worlds fear factors.. Abuse...but totally disregards the subjects Adverse Childhood Events. Judges and Lawyers have no clue about Adverse or Virtuous childhood events..they pass judgment then wash their hands of what the future holds. A mother mindful and capable of forward cognitive linear thinking and playing the odds without being wreckless ...would be great.
Try dealing with a screaming brat at the same time trying to be all good mommy
@@trustinsynchronicity the state and m
@@Grammamellow1 yeah. it's beyond frightening how the state steals mixed race adorable babies it breaks the momma's heart into a billion pieces. I witnessed a hippie girl keep having her babies taken by the state. She is creative and black. Usually it's some whyT karen sticking her nose into someone's parenting who maybe isn't perfect to whyTee standards.
@@trustinsynchronicity and promotes a 50 billion drop in a pond that should be a no wake zone. TLC children learn what they live..who is teaching them. We need to get back to teaching our children who GOD. THE CREATOR. THE ONE TRIUNE, is because the world is hell bent on showing them who HE ain't. Programmed to trust the relationships they should fear and fear the relation ships they should trust. Life preserved. Legacy. Legend, Lesson. The Moral of the Story. What moral? What are we modeling for them to emulate?
Then the children grew up and see their mama as the bad guy. And would be ego dystonic about their own skin color The thing is she was only attracted to blonde hair blue eyed men 20's ish much younger than her. Who would end up to be her baby's dad. Every one of them.
Such a compassionate man
She is only helping to keep up the divorce rate and horrible tactics that encapsulates the general anti father attitude in our So called Family court -- i had the unhappy experience of reputation destruction in that court for 6 years -- they had to resort to lying - because there was nothing solid they could really say i had done wrong. Mainly all women acting like a pack of hyenas - no fairness - no morality - no truth - no empathy for my kids who they were long term emotional wounding - no recount to even basic human emotion - of this is gone too far -- i think we should stop now --- absolutely no remorse -- aided by a pro female/mothers only (male judge)-- what a spineless example of a man. .So female bullying exists - for sure and its treacherous. There are some horrendous female example of human beings out there-- better that they were never born -- truly disgusting and horrible.. This woman interviewing is a liar and complicit in keeping this circus of hell going... better she decides to retire into obscurity -- and is not heard............
Female bullying is truly destructive.
I am going to be honest i couldn't watch the video. But i respect dr ramani a lot cause she seems really empathetic towards survivors of narcissistic people. If it weren't for her then a lot of people coming out of divorce and breakups and toxic families would be lost. That being said i do think the "narcissistic abuse coaching" is really sus and a lot of people give zoom sessions and chat with vulnerable people and take money from them. I liked a bunch of posts on narcissistic abuse and some narcissistic healing recovery coach dms me and tells me to join his program/session/course. That's so predatory. I think people should be strong on their own and not get swindled into these type of scams and cults and mlms. And dr ramani helped me be my own person. So that's that
This is an interpretation of winnicott in a more general across the whole of childhood way. Winnicott describes more detail, and tends to emphasize the third point over the first two, as winnicott focuses on the early years including and especially as a baby. This summary is more of a post 18-months version. It works as winnicott though, as long as you include all three and probably add that in order to do all three you need to accept you have a mind with craziness too, that you have some craziness and darkness and hatred and thats okay, its not who you are or how you will organise your life but it is there - like everyone else.
Apparently on track! Thank you Prof
Hey Deef, I hope you are well and are enjoying your summer!
Hi Sassy, summer seems like it's passed by too quickly, but I'll try to get some fun before fall comes along.. I hope you're adjusting well after the move..
I absolutely agree and found exposure is great for phobias and anxiety.
I was institutionalized in the military. It’s like being in prison. 😵💫20 years went bye..PTSD disable Veterans 🇺🇸It’s hard to leave it. Scary to leave. PRISON of the mind is scary to leave the military.Some has to show the truth light 💡 at the end of the tunnel .. Like being trapped in the ghetto or apartheid .Mandela suffered trapped in prison, they let him free but he went back into the prison.but he focused on breaking free..you have to pull yourself out or somebody has to help you out .They can’t elevate, trapped in the cycle of negativity, like living in a bad neighborhood that you can’t get out of because there’s no exit unless somebody pulls you out or you have to pull yourself out the ghetto
Was this from Donald winnicot?
Yes, DW Winnicott originally laid out the label and theory of 'Good Enough Mothering'
@@VisceralGravitas fantastic philosophy coupled with his soft presentation made it not only informative but digestible info for the time period. Very cool info thank you for posting! I feel like reading that back looks like ai. I need less internet
Excellent video.
It works!
AMEN!
I disagree leave me e alone. Stay away from me you devil.
Blink twice if you are ok
Women are abusive, controlling, manipulative, devious, calculating, vicious, nasty and all women know that. But never admit it. A collective conspiracy of silence. They used their sexuality to control and subjugate their gullible male slaves. They are not the lovely precious delicate creatures they would have us all believe. They are ruthless in getting what they want. Far more psychologicaly damaging than men. But they don't leave any bruises. This woman is obviously peddling the old feminist mantra. That old chestnut Very defensive because she knows he's drilling right on the nerve. And she doesn't like it. You only have to look at how they paint their faces to know what you're dealing with. War paint. Whore paint. Highly deceptive.