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goaccess is pretty neat. I just heard of it when I saw your video.

Bro this drive is not for 24/7 NAS. Iron Wolf or Seagate Exos only.

I bought 2 of these drives used from a reputable seller, both were used for chia mining, not very taxing for hdd, they were tested prior to shipping zero issues, both died after 2 days..... Shipping literally kills these baracudas even with proper packaging.

Another thing you might consider is how your local delivery company treats your postal parcels. May be it is to blame for two consecutive defective disks. It is just more realistic than the hypothesis that you are so unlucky to get two disks in a row with manufacturing defects

Have seen some info based on Backblaze data that mostly disks fail in the first month (manufacturing defect) or after several years (wear-out), almost no failures in between. Buying a used enterprise hdd with 50k hours is then not a worst idea. Be it Seagate, WD or HGST - doesn't matter. And it is cheap (usual price - 10 EUR per 1Tb for 10/12 Tb versions)

I used to run a repair shop. I have seen hundreds of dead disks, over 70% of them were seagates. I think that reflects how popular seagate drives are and how many are out there. It looks like you fell foul of the "bathtub curve" with the first drive and transit/handling the second time. The second drive sounds like it is failing to read it's firmware from the disk and that gives the familiar "click of death". (It sounds more like a ping in your video) I am a western digital fanboy but barely. They have gone down hill quite seriously in recent years. I still recommend them but only just. The pricing on their gold drives is quite good. I'm probably going to go with Toshiba next time I upgrade, they have been pretty solidly mediocre for a long time and the "bang per buck" is good.

You buy Barracuda and you are surprise, that they fall off im NAS😂😂😂

I have an old Samsung 1tb from 2009 that still works. I did replace it with a 2tb Nvme because it just felt so slow, but man that one just chugged along.

"Born to hold data, forced to fucking work" - seagate hdd

I feel like the opinion is extremely subjective. I've used seagate all my life. Only time I had one fail was after like 10 years of daily use of a family pc back in like 2010. And back then the os was running on the drive too putting extra stress on it.

I only had good luck with Toshiba disks sageate and wd is trash the only ones that fail are wd on my server Toshibas been running for years plus I never got one that’s broken I got many wds that where broken before I even fired them up could be shipping though hard hits he’s should be wrapped very well in a big box with a lot of bubble wrap

I have had seagate drives since 2017 and still works

buy western digital

Learn from your mistakes

stop buying Seagate lol

Seagate are the worst harddrives ... ive never had one that didnt fail

It would be good if it didnt have security problems

In my case always the sea Gate Drive s Dying but WD does last 10 years Plus😂

Tuna Scale! Sounds tasty!

So my 4 server, 50 CPU, 220GB Ram, and 30TB Proxmox home lab is not such a good idea? :-D

Cloud is just another mans computer, that you have no control over. There have been many data breaches and lost data on various cloud platforms, so even if were to I save money, i wouldn't trust them more than myself. Reliability will always be an issue, unless you have multiple internet connections and high availability setup, but that trade-off is undoubtedly worth it, if you care about your data.

You know there is a way to "sync" to other computers for free right? I'm not going to put that info here though. But hey, thanks for another good video.

"Delusional" is pretty strong. Skill, size, and connectivity vary wildly for people. I'm up to three 44U racks and host my own compute cloud with about 200TB of storage and around 60 CPUs. For the cost of a cloud provider to host me, well, I would have been homeless pretty quickly. Instead I can afford equipment. And no cloud provider can shut me down, inspect my data, or eavesdrop on my activities because of my political views.

For me, it's a hobby! The time I spend on it is time well spent. I have an old HP Z420 with Quadro P2000 that I got for free and I have only spent money on power and hard drives so far. I also really enjoy the problem solving aspect of it.

It appears you are using a compute /Barracuda drive which is not meant for use in NAS setups. you should try Ironwolf or Exos drives instead. They are designed to with stand vibration and to run 24/7

2:20 I'm sorry, but this is utter bs, 1 thread of my oldschool i7 5820k is 8 times faster as 1 node in the cloud, just guess how much faster a 2024 entry new Ryzen cpu will be? With $5000 you can build 2 new servers which can handle more traffic than $5000 of cloud cpu a month (okey, this will be a close call, make it 2 months and you know I'm right). Then there is the storage problem; I have 12TB of data to store online, do you know how much that costs a month? Do you know how much HDD's cost? The answer is 17, I can buy 17x 12TB HDDs for the yearly costs to host 12TB online. 2:42 Yes assume everything breaks: so dual servers, mirrored bootdisks, mirrored storage. Better jet, tripple it. 3:49 Yes, it's true, HDDs have become ultra fragile. Ordered 9x 12TB, 2 DOA, 4 died later. 4:22 Those guys need to stay away from selfhosting, yes. 5:22 As if that doesn't happen in the cloud, counter argument (because I was there): Your cloud website needs to call a URL, but it doesn't reach it, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, you call the url from your machine, it works, also while not working in the cloud, you call it from a different server, it works, you call a college he tells you the URL works. Now what. You email customer support, they don't understand you. You call them, they talk back but it seems like he doesn't understand anything you say. You email again, now you get a on-topic reply: "That's your problem". You keep emailing, a few months past, your customer starts sueing you. What do you do? You buy a server and start selfhosting. 5:58 Pointing back at my previous point. Did you know a 13th series i3 is just as powerfull as a dual xeon 2670? 4 threads vs 32 threads. 60 watt vs 230 watt tdp. 10:10 noisy, yes, if you build them like that. Overall, yes self hosting is not for the masses, so you are right for most people, even that developer that thinks he'll just do it himself with no prior experience. But, then there are massive amounts of huge companies that have hired multiple teams of cloud experts that each make 100k+ a year for stuff that senior developer can self host with a 50k budget.

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I usually just retire my old desktops as servers, so there is no cost involved. As for power usage, I live in Sweden, so as all power which goes into the server comes out as heat, which is useable anyway. So, for me, it's pretty much zero cost. It also puts my data under my control. On top of that, I like tinkering, so it's fun. So, for me, self hosting is the way to go.

Maintain proper (as close to real-time as possible) 3-2-1 backups and you won't have to be afraid of data loss. Old enterprise gear isn't necessarily power inefficient. I maintain a HA cluster only for failover with a 2013 thin client. When it fails over it only resumes critical applications and it draws >100w. Auto-updates should always be turned off in production. Even my Windows VM feature updates are set to fully manual (registry tweak). Vulnerabilities are always be a concern, so configure your router to log incoming requests so that you can properly find them when they occur. A few of these might be overkill for your average homelab, but I use my servers near exclusively remotely and depend on them for work. I've had VPN connections fail in such a way that I had to drive 2hrs+ to get physical access to the server, so I'm aware that I'm somewhat paranoid in how I configure my servers. lol

The video lacks essential context, details, and a broader perspective. Who is the target audience for this content? What specific context frames the advice being given? You are comparing loud, expensive computer equipment, possibly taking up a room in size, to spending $10 a month to have it all hosted. This is not a fair or accurate comparison; it's actually laughable. The video fails to clarify its intended audience-is it tailored for high-stakes businesses or an individual's blog? It is as if your intended audience is the layperson who isn't going to be inclined to start self-hosting anyway. There are many reasons to self-host and many reasons not to, and I don't think you articulated them well. You could technically self-host something from a Raspberry Pi 3, which is silent and only sips power. I'm not saying you should or shouldn't; the point is that you can, and this is a big difference from you suggesting that you will need a data center in your living room. You even missed a couple of crucial points against self-hosting, like your power or the internet going out. Overall, this information isn't beneficial content and feels more like an attempt to get sponsorship from a hosting provider.

Small self hosted home lab is way cheaper for me to work with where I live (countryside Brazil), work area is cheap, but internet connections and cloud providers are absolutely terrible. High end hardware is crazy expensive here, but older/discontinued hardware is dirt cheap and still* have community support. Tinkering and security updates are a easy trade off for me and most companies here.

self hosting is more profitable for a small IT business than outsourcing it to another company to make a profit off you. We have apache servers for everyone of our clients, each one hosted at there site, along with Nas/cloud storage. Sure you can outsource it to a already built infrastructure and give them a part of your sales if your lazy, or do what any other tech dose and be a computer technician. HDD Fails? recover from back up on new hdd and install it. These arent problems, this is your job. One time purchase on hardware, that you now own and can host anything. or pay for someone elses server at a monthly fee for ever.

Cloud hosting providers don’t safeguard your data. PERIOD. Even the largest providers have been compromised, have turned over data to the government, have had internal employees fapping to customer images & video, and have had thousands upon thousands of instances of customer data loss. If you don’t care about your data, then what are you even doing?

IT pro here. Spot on assessment. For most people they dont need to self host. If they arent interested in learning how the stuff does what it does then they have plenty of hosted turnkey options. All the videos pointing people to enterprise hardware because it is cheap also arent helping when they forget to mention how loud and powerhungry they are. I say this being a person that had two full 42U racks in my workshop at one point. That said, im still self hosting all the things, but thats because its my funtime. Like at work if its not my funtime, the matrix comes out to determine whether it goes on the home stack or is provided by some provider as a service.

Well, obviously selfhosting is a learning experience, that's why I'm doing it! It's like your own mail server)

I feel like self hosting viability heavily depends on what you're hosting. Self hosting storage is much better than cloud because storing multiple terabytes of data in the cloud is wildly expensive and not at all practical. Self hosting your email? massive pain, you'll spend tons of time troubleshooting. Websites? depends what kind of site but usually much better to have it hosted by a service.

Thank you for this video, it's a very good one and basically addresses lot of the gripes I have had with other videos when it comes to self-hosting. They rarely tell about these downsides in them, even though they are quite important ones. And I personally think when you decide on having a server, you should always consider does it make it more sense for it to be on a cloud or something you host self-host. Something like Plex for purely local personal use is probably better to be self-hosted but LAMP stack might be better for cloud environment because that way you are not risking your home network and you proably mind less losing few movies if a hard drive fails compared to having your business website becoming inoperable for months because of simple hard drive failure or broken software update. I think people should consider it same way they consider buying a PC or a car. What is the things I need, how much I need it and so on and do the decision between cloud vs self-hosting after those considerations. Because 5 bucks a month to run a website on a cloud will still be cheaper than adding a server to your household as it does indeed use more electricity.

Funny enough, even if you self-host, you still need to follow the 3-2-1 backup strategy, so you will need to store the important stuff in the cloud at some provider 😀

If you are running a VM in a cloud provider, you're responsible for everything inside the VM - so breaks, errors, misconfigurations can all occur irrespective of the platform.

1. hardware: raspberry pi, why use anything other than that unless it really needs something faster. 99/100 times a rpi os enough. 2. backups: with that, just restore if something messes up. Set up another rpi dedicated for backups using external old mechanical drives, cost is crazy low and you remove 99% of the "risks". 3. "things will eventually break"..?!?! WHY should it EVER break in an update?!? Install things correctly, follow documentation and thins just don't "break" in an update. also, point 2. 4. Electricity?!?: Read point 1. That's like 30-40w. I have a TON of different local servers running, dns, vpn, dhcp, password manager server, unifi (ubiquity) controller, pihole (with unbound), nfs fileserver, plex server etc etc etc, and NOTHING "just breaks", EVER. I have had ONE corruption of the sd card I was using in one, so I utilized point 2 and was back in less than 30 mins. You are not painting the complete picture here. If you follow documentation when installing, making sure everything is correctly set up, an update will NOT break anything. If that is your experience, YOU are doing something wrong. *I spend about 10 mins each moth managing all my different servers,* and most of that time is updates and EXTRA manual backups I run (backups are automated otherwise), that's it. No need to "spend massive amounts of time keeping it secure and up to date" if you FOLLOW DOCUMENTATION.

To all the viewers, self host all the way and don't be afraid, self hosting is never finished, and that's s good thing, you will be learning all the way and getting a few new skills in hardware (specification, maintenance etc) and software (Linux, storage architecture and management, virtualization etc etc). And you will actually own your stuff, remember, the cloud is just someone else's computer.

LOL "there's definitely some online service". No. Who is hosting OpenPose Controlnet for Stable Diffusion? There are literally hundreds of SD hosts out there. All they want to do is that utterly useless worthless text-to-image nonsense. I've found exactly 2 with controlnet, and zero (0) with openpose. Why???

I'm an IT pro who loves to tinker, so I'm probably not the audience for the video. I have to say that you are spot on regarding the pitfalls, but one of the biggest problems not mentioned was the sheer verity of self hosting applications available, some more suitable for lower spec hardware than others. I could spend a lifetime just evaluating the various options available. Having said that, dipping your toes into the self hosting world on an old laptop is often enough o understand if it's a route you want to take. Don't ever start a project buy running out and buying a server and a bunch of hard drives from the get go, you are likely to get something wrong in the process. This is why most people opt for a ready built NAS solution to start off with, that does the much of hand holding, makes self hosting a fairly straight forward process, and negates the majority of the problems highlighted in this video. That way it's only when you understand your needs and the applications that you can look to going down the custom route.

Who paid you

Obvious, but very important points. Very timely for me - so thank you! Great video.

I do a lot of self-hosting and I agree with many points here, however there is definitely a break-even point, and that usually comes down to storage. I cumulatively have around 200TB of data (I'm also backing-up my data locally, so that's actually 100TB x 2). Storing that quantity of data in the cloud can cost thousands of dollars per month, and then you have incredibly slow access times to read or write your data from the cloud. You could easily buy all the hard drives you need and have change left over for the price of one or two months of cloud storage.

Pretty bad take... Most homelab PC don't have to be expensive or powerhungry or noisy. Think n100 or n305. Which for most people should be powerful enough for running some basic services. Neither does it have to be difficult to secure with something like Tailscale. Also, if something brakes you will learn on how to fix stuff.

Everything in this video is valid and on point. Lots of useful information. I do a lot of self-hosting with 5 SuperMicro servers and I have had to replace hard drives and even 2 servers. But it was worth it for the learning process.

I would suggest homelabbing is a direct attack on organisations by way of people losing their rights to privacy and democratises our ability to self-manage and better our environment. If you provide your systems/content to a third party you lose control. When you lose control, things like dystopian societies occur and degradation of civil rights (look at what's happened to social media, cencorship and government bans). Your data which you believe innocently uploaded to cloud services now becomes a data-farm for A.I. modelling (this includes contributing your own comments to anything you've signed in with; reddit, youtube, etc.) It's also happening now with our choice in Operating Systems. With each telemetry bloat, people are beginning to resist. This resistance leads to open source and it ensures technology is democratised so it is accessible by everyone who wants to use it. I'd say if you're starting out, build a mini-lab first. there's no need for project creep unless you're doing something required from the ground up -- A burst of speed into your hobby -- But if it's a set-and-forget system, a minilab would be perfect if you just want your homely needs met.

Sad but true. 😊 For an average family digital archive of 1-3 Tb Backblaze B2 storage is cheaper than electricity spent on running even a small homelab 24/7. And it is probably even much safer.