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@NiggaSniffa @NiggaSniffa didnt know that. Thats cool. But in case i lose the sinker, how long will the wax last? Kinda... Forever?

Hey Rob, something we do in helping folks transition to non-lead ammunition is find ammo for them. May be a little late, but Turners in Norwalk, CA has GMX for $50, Winchester Copper for $40, and Fresno, CA Sportsman's has GMX for $48. Compared to the Partitions ($56) and some of the other lead options non-lead is currently some of the cheapest options on shelves.

Most lead used in cartridge manufacturing is smelted overseas (the US no longer smelts lead) from recycled materials

@@huntingwithnon-lead2899 I think you missed his point

Hi Dave, these are really some unprecedented times in ammo availability and pricing. We pride ourselves on shooting as much as we can get our hands on and our testing has been heavily impacted since the pandemic. I just saw 9mm Aluminum for $56!! Non-lead ammo pricing has really dropped in recent years as a result of increased competition, and technological and procedural advances. Before the pandemic I could find Federal Copper HP at Walmart for just over $20 (30-06, 308, 270, etc), so hopefully that opportunity returns. Happy Hunting

Typically lighter. Copper is less denser than lead so to avoid stabilization issues with copper, manufacturers make their non-lead bullets lighter. This tends not to be an issue since non-lead holds so much of it's weight, it penetrates deep.

Depends. Lead is denser than copper. With solid copper bullets you can get a higher twist rate without your bullet flying apart. And with a higher twist rate you can shoot longer, heavier, and higher BC bullets. That means way better accuracy and velocity/energy at range. Overall this is likely the future of ammo... If we can afford the copper....

@Chad Thomas I don't think alot of people use heavier bullets for weight retention. I use heavier bullets for the bc and ballistics. Heavier projectiles retain velocity better at longer ranges and they also create way more energy.

it is more easy to produce. homogeneous so it easier to attain better ballistic co-efficiency. Melting point is low. Dumps all its energy into impacted target. cheap. Easier on the rifling of a barrel. Better gas seal. Anything that eats lead isn't gonna like long in the survival of the fittest lifestyle of the wild.... Etc.

@@Christos1680 What about the shooter inhaling lead fumes, and being cover in lead, gun shot residue?

@@chrispridemore5562 Avoid shooting at indoors gun ranges without proper ventilation and don't put your fingers to your mouth. Also FMJ ammunition greatly reduces residual lead on your firearm, keeping it down range.

@@8brahmanas8 There is lead and mercury in the primers. I think only one company is producing non-toxic bullets, and they don't have any in my caliber. :c

@benzo It is possible to produce lead-free primers. It appears ammunition companies want profit over the lives of gun owners.

they shoot pigeons with DU over Tucson with the A-10, just for fun. people think it's contrails but it's feathers... vaporized feathers

I think your mistaken. I am a born and raised hunter and gun owner, and believe the law is not the best method to addressing this issue

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Hi Ed! Your correct that slower moving bullets both fragment less (lead), and may not appropriately expand (copper). With that being said, we usually advise people to keep their velocity above 1800 fps to ensure appropiate expansion. Hornady LeverEvolution with their Monoflex bullet comes out of the muzzle at 2465 so it will perform right out past a few hundred yards. With lead ammunition, it is completely possible to get a pass through while still depositing fragments (see the radiograph at www.huntingwithnonlead.org/bullet_performance2015.html). We are even seeing .22s fragmenting with their very low velocities. As for your state passing regulation requiring non-lead we are actively working with state Fish & Game departments to prevent this from happening, advocating instead for outreach advocating voluntary participation. If you need an further help feel free to reach out me at Nonlead@iws.org Happy Hunting!

@@chadthomas4182 what about powder coated cast bullets? Theyre harder than lead bullet cores and tend to stick together

@@anthonysurrency7134 Hi Anthony, what specifically about them?

@@chadthomas4182 have you tested with them?

@@anthonysurrency7134 We've shot a lot of the Winchester Supreme loaded with E-tip (discontinued now) that was coated with Lubalox and found them to be very accurate. The E-tip was co-developed with Nosler who I believe bought the rights to that projectile and now they only load it as a rare alloy, which is unfortunate because the Supreme was Winchester's best non-lead option. Another one we have tested is GS Customs loaded by Monolithic Munitions (who are now out of business). The HV custom show some good external ballistics but broke apart after being fired into water at 100 yards. In 22-250 they worked very well on coyotes.

Charles, we aren't trying to claim that using lead ammunition will be the extinction of vultures or coyotes, or that it even has population level effects. We are instead trying to bring to light that it does have implications for wildlife, and there are cost-effective, well performing, and readily available alternatives. Other species, such as the California Condor, are impacted at a population level and all the best modeling says they cannot become self sustaining without some reduction in lead on the landscape.

wfscjobs.tamu.edu/jobs/hunting-and-conservation-outreach-coordinator-california-2/

No one to my knowledge makes a loaded cartridge but you can get the components

Federal American Eagle have in some 9mm ammo "Catalyst high-performance lead-free primer", not sure exactly which ones though.

Hello Gabe, science has shown that a piece of lead the size of a grain of rice is enough to kill a bald eagle. I would recommend you read some of the many peer reviewed scientific journals on lead poisoning in wildlife www.huntingwithnonlead.org/scientific_evidence2015.html. Scavenging birds like Turkey Vultures and Condors feed exclusively on dead animals. Many other bird species including Bald Eagles, Golden Eagles, Ravens and various hawks also rely on gut piles sportsman provide. Its true all metals have some level of toxicity, but copper, tin, bismuth, etc. have a far lower toxicity than lead. Hunting plays a huge role in providing scavenging wildlife with a food source. To ban hunting would mean a end to many species that rely on humans acting as the main predator. If you would like more information please email nonlead@iws.org. Thank you and happy hunting.

@@chadthomas9864 Do you often leave your game in the field with the bullet still lodged in them?

@@russellkuhlman9469 I find that the bullets often are lodged in the heart or liver, so if your leaving that. . . Personally this is a soft spot for me, I live in Cali which is now leading lead down the road of the do-do (doh-doh) out here. Makes no sense to me because when I hunt I usually fire one round, and I have never left a round behind (kept heart / liver). When I target shoot though I fire thousands of rounds. I never go to a range, I always go to national forest. I have deposited literally at this point hundreds of pounds of lead in the forest, and I return home with none of it. I am also very suspicions about how much damage hunters actually do. Yes Condors , and such can get lead poisoning but is that the leading cause of their population drop? All this "non-lead" ammunition legislation and such makes me a little sick, and I really hope I am not forced to move to another ammunition type in the future. If I am I'll start having to make rounds out of pewter or other expensive ductile metals.

@@chadthomas9864 Don't expect everyone to drink your kool aid Chsd ole" boy. The comment was 100% correct.

@@TheOverturned : What you are recovering is the remaining slug. If you weigh that I would bet that you have lost >20% weight, which is deposited in the meat. Much of this is in the bloodshot (which you would cut out and leave in the field) or has traveled from the wound channel into the gut pile (which also left for scavengers). As for condors, lead poisoning is still the leading cause of mortality, and each fragment recovered from a bird is sampled to identify is isotopic ratio (a process that has proven reliable over and over, including research in 70s that showed lead poisoning of children to have the same isotopic signature as lead in paint). These lead fragments are overwhelmingly matched with lead in ammunition. This is a soft spot for me because I spent many years as a graduate student flat broke, but being required to purchase very expense non-lead in the condor to hunt when I had the time. Luckily, the price of non-lead has dropped considerably since (I payed $70 for a box of 7mm Mag in 2008, which is now $50 something). We don't advocate for laws, instead advocating voluntary participation through outreach and education.

Ken D , I don’t think he’s challenging you or the idea of using non lead ammo . The price on that ammo seems like it could be brought down to incentivize people to use it more. I agree with you , I’m loading the Barnes TTSX ammo but it’s super pricey.

now you can find lead free rounds for similar or lesser prices than the standard ammo. Real issue now is a much smaller selection.

Lead exposure is a very serious matter. This is why most veteran in their old age suffer dementia, alzheimers and many more cognitive retardation diseases. It's triply risky to growing children. I hope we find a cheap alternative soon.