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Fascinating conversation!

Another great episode! As a big tape trader back in the day, always excited to hear people like Oakley and Bob taking things to the next level 👏

What a couple of great lads! The future of PF boots is safe with these guys.

Ahhh discovering Floyd and absorbing the whole discography within an hour on Spotify vs the 70s/80s when it took a young person a year of finding ,collecting the vinyl's,(also every live show available at click if u know where to look)what a great time to be alive.Great Podcast,

David knew Syd better than the other members of the band. They were childhood friends.

Dear listeners, thank you very much for your comments and feedback! We wanted to address a few points that came up in the comments: •⁠ ⁠For Syd's Mary Poppins one-liner at the Wish You Were Here sessions, please see pages 24-26 of Nick Sedgwick's book In the Pink, and p. 26 specifically: "It's all...all a bit Mary Poppins." •⁠ ⁠Phil Salathé notes: “I've been pleased to receive feedback privately from several friends and family members with autism. In brief, they confirm that entering a social setting, only to be totally overwhelmed by sensory input and other people's presence, is an experience all too familiar to them.” •⁠ ⁠The possibility of Syd being on the autism spectrum has been advanced on multiple occasions by his sister Rosemary. It's absolutely true that people don't "develop" autism as adults, but it's also true that people with autism are sometimes able to mask very well until they suffer a major trauma as adults and decompensate. Beyond that, none of us can definitively say what Syd was experiencing, or what the cause or causes of his difficulties were. We suggest the responsible choice is to defer to the Barrett family entirely, who have a basis for judgment the rest of us will never have.

I’m of that 60-70 year old group that witnessed some great PF Shows. ‘73 at Merriweather, ‘75 Landover and ‘80 Nassau. Great memories of each!

I love Syd RIP legend

Syd's reaction to SOYCD was "It sounds a bit old", nothing about Mary Poppins. The autism theory does not work as Syd was very social as a teenager, it would have shown itself much earlier.

Only just found it. Thank you for sharing about your brother. 🎉

It's cool that Rosemary brought some information about Syd, such a mysterious and intriguing figure, thank you for this tape, pure gold.

I didn't like the host's comment regarding autism, especially since the only "evidence" is the story Jerry shared, plus Jerry wasn't really fond of this interpretation either. It's hardly likely that it had to do anything with autism; you don't get suddenly autistic. It's something that's noticed early on. Jerry described a situation where Syd "froze" in a big social gathering, but this alone cannot be a sign of autism; there has to be a long history of a) lack of social understanding and communication b) repetitive , stereotypical actions, usually from early childhood. Before the LSD abuse, Syd was quite the opposite of autistic - confident in social settings, a lot of girlfriends, being the frontman of the group, etc. etc., this is opposite of autism; the reason why the change was so evident was that Syd before the LSD abuse was very easy going, sociable, and warm. After the LSD abuse he was becoming more and more of the "middle distance" stare. Rosemary evoked neurodivergence as a way to describe Syd in general I believe, he was always a bit different, but she made it quite clear that it was LSD and the whole rock and roll lifestyle of the period that destroyed his sanity. The "black holes in the sky" thing is also no joke. Syd's eyes were not black, but when you take LSD your pupils are dilated; so that's what the people were seeing. I believe he was taking so much at that time, that he was tripping for days, his pupils always dilated to max. When you do this enough it's kind of hard to get back to reality. He says it himself "Tattooed my brain all the way" in one of his songs from Madcap Laughs; it's really interesting that people are trying to be psychiatrists and to diagnose him with some kind of "latent" schizophrenia that was there all the time even before the LSD or that he was autistic. The thing is, he was still clear enough to understand his own situation and he knew that there probably was no going back, the damage was so profound. And yes there were many people who did the same amount of LSD as Syd and got away with it, but there are also a lot of people who ended up in the same situation as Syd with much less LSD abuse. The sheer power of psychedelic experience is incredible, and anyone who experienced it knows that it can mess with you in the wrong way. I believe that he was unable to control his mind, unable to completely discern reality from his own mind, and unable to discern his thoughts from thoughts of others, as his illness got worse. Talking with others became a challenge because Syd could never know what the others really thought of him, what they wanted, and how this differed from his own wishes and thoughts. When you combine this with LSD flashbacks, obsessive thoughts, bizzare thoughts, etc., you get a man who isolates himself simply because that's less stressful than communicating with people.

This was so good. She talked about everything I hoped she would. I loved every minute of it 😻

Aside from what I learned about Syd Barrett, I have to say I really enjoyed listening to these two wholly British people talking about a really emotional subject with such grace and politeness.

Brilliant interview. I watched this around a year ago. shortly after it was uploaded and found myself back again today to watch the whole thing all over again. A small testament to how good this is.

She is sweet, bright, considerate, honest and very intelligent. I really enjoyed this, thank you both!

AI is shite.

The reason she didn't like the music? It was because she was brought up with the string quartet. She was somewhat puzzled as to why it had to be so loud.

"The music was new, the clothes were new, the air was new." What a lovely woman.

Rosemary, it makes no difference if you understand the music. You loved your brother.

While we all have to appreciate the willingness of Rosemary to open up about her relationship with Syd, it is unfortunate that she puts aside his music and especially his lyrics as "not serious". I'm afraid she did not really try to listen and understand some of Syd's songs; Piper at the Gates of Dawn, from the lyrical side, may not be the strongest; the first two singles, Arnold Layne and See Emily Play, are also somewhat giggly as Rosemary would put it, although they are well put together; however, some later songs, "Judgband Blues", "Vegetable Man", and especially his solo work is so deep and moving and philosophical in a way; songs such as "No Man's Land", "No Good Trying", "Feel", "Dark Globe", "Opel", "Dominoes", "Late Night", his rendition of "Golden Hair", they all convey powerful emotions and can be interpreted to have a personal meaning for the listener; some other of his solo work is not as easy to understand, I'd say "Octopus", "Wolfpack", "Rats", "Baby Lemonade", "Milky Way", etc., some are seemingly just for fun and giggles, such as "Gigolo Aunt". I think it's a disservice to Syd's suffering and inspiration to label his lyrics as "not serious" and urging the listeners not to take them seriously. This is why I think Rosemary did not really listen to them that much or did not really try to interpret the lyrics, because otherwise she wouldn't bellitle the emotion and thought behind some of these lyrics. Moreover, even the stuff that can be labelled as whimsical or giggly should not be cast aside as pure inspiration and something he'd do just for the giggles, something he would write in a minute; "Octopus", for instance, may seem like that kind of giggly song Syd would just shoot out; but there's an interview, was it "Locked in a Room with Syd" or the one by Mick Rock, where he told the interviewer that Octopus was something he thought about for months before writing it down. I think Rosemary had this black and white thinking about Syd's music because in her mind him going into music business was a mistake and led to his condition. This is partially true, but it's in the music world that Syd really left a mark; if it was only for the giggly songs, hardly anyone would talk about Syd today. It's that tragedy of him losing his mind, coupled with his ability to touch the listener's soul, that make people admire Syd. What Rosemary emphasizes and I think it's so important is the issue Syd had with his band, Pink Floyd. There seemed to have been a lot of suffering because he was kicked out of the band, and they all resolved it in such a cold, English way. It seems that there was too little talking involved. Richard Wright recalls living with Syd after he was kicked out, so Rick had to kind of sneak out to go to gigs and he would pretend to go buy cigarretes. He knew that Syd was aware of being left out of the group but there was still zero discussion about the problem in question. On top of that Syd was replaced by his old friend, David Gilmour. They resolved it in such a stupid way, at least that's how the band themselves convey this. They simply stopped picking him up for the gigs, I mean that's a very stupid way to stop cooperating with a guy who wrote your only hit singles and wrote the most of your debut album. Sure Syd wasn't really cooperative, but he deserved a better and more fair end.

I wish there had been a follow-up question about why his mother had to move out and leave him in the house alone. What exactly was the trouble? I also would have liked to hear more about things he SAID. She gives great insight as to what he thought or how he felt about things, but not how she knew i.e. how he expressed them.

This woman hasn't missed a step with all due respect. ❤

For years we never knew his art I would always know he was a fine artist not com art but in actuality we had it right there the rear cover of piper ! That positive negative image silloette

Morison said death makes angels of us all syd is the gaurdian of art rockers yes like my dear friend Lisa from high school yes when I was a syd fan in high school I was an artist 🧑‍🎨 but I invented new metal 🎸 thank you Roger b

What he did was bring Jackson Poleck in sound brilliant

I think rose is being overt many ex visual artists who went to sound did that yes but there is celeb in visual artists to even fine art but I to am anti popular the process 60s became every one wants to be in the painting 🖼️ the art school drop outs recreated rock n roll thank god for art

Thank you Rosemary. Hello from Slovenia. ❤❤❤

I’ve posted both the Copenhagen and Rotterdam shows on Soundcloud years back, and they were copyright claimed and removed. I’ve seen various uploads of the shows come and go on TH-cam as well. So I’m not sure they are public domain. It’s definitely something worth looking into.

Oh, no shit, MMXP. I remember some of your old Floyd artwork from back in the day, like 20 years ago now. Man, time flies.

Why Pink Floyd? I think it's not only that each album can take you from simple, gentle tunes like Granchester Meadows, to the punk, before punk, blast say, of The Nile Song, and everything in between, but that each album is different. Quite a lot of bands and artists, certainly these days can be very mundane and similar all the way through. Boring!

Syd manifested a psychosis much earlier than his drug exposure episodes. These particular symptoms are usually caused by internal, rather than external (environmental) factors. Easy access to powerful hallucinogens only compounded Syd’s condition. Syd Barrett’s musical genius was an outlet for his condition, not a mere career choice.

The neurodivergence theory was always something I held as a very plausible foundation than most, because I can relate to just about every "strange" or "concerning" behaviour which the rest of the band or his roommates mentioned; In my scenario, a lot of it came down to stress, and not being able to express or really describe to others that I just wasn't feeling it, so I let it drag on and on and the feelings got worse and worse and suddenly I'm sitting near catatonic with zero ability to do close to anything, only occasionally snapping out of that discomforting, overwhelmed state and acting as I would normally... I've been sat staring at a wall for hours; I've been totally unresponsive and uncooperative when I've, for example, been supposed to be playing guitar only to suddenly be fully coherent again and been doing it no problem. And, for me, it all came down to stress, and an inability to escape it. It all got better for me after I stopped surrounding myself with stressors and either worked on managing the sensory overload stuff or avoided situations which would overload my senses... But it was really hard... I feel very lucky that I was born in 2002, and could get the diagnoses and support before it all spiraled for me... Knowing the cause of why I react much stronger to certain things than others has been instrumental in keeping me leveled and okay. Now, I'm not going to claim this and that because so much bullshit and frankly rude lies has already been shoved in Syd's name and legacy, I simply find his story to be very relatable, and, thus, wanted to share my shared experience with the world... He was his own person and we are not; His life has been sensationalized to an almost unprecedented level... Rumours abound, and all that jazz... This was a really interesting and fun interview; it's been wonderful to listen to. I'm really glad to have found this, and also that both of you took time to sit down together and discuss :) I wish both of you the very best ✨♥️

A wonderful listen and yet again - thank you!! I have a bootleg boxed set of these first few shows and they're an utterly wonderful -and fascinating- listen. Gawd bless the tapers!

Another great conversation, one of my favorite periods in Floyd's journey. Looking forward to 1968

I was at the Newcastle show. Newcastle Odean cinema The intro *speak to Me * used the voices of UK politicians & not what was used on the album

Missed out the Sheffield show which I was at.Got a boot of the Rainbow show as well.

That was a great show. Very informative, been listening to 72 tour shows a lot lately, going deeper now!! 👍

Wow! That was a fun and informative dive into the premiere performances of Dark Side. Would love to hear a similar take on the British winter tour of 1974. In particular, the premiere of Raving & Drooling with the cut up tape of a DJ babbling away

Colin Turner 1st heroin child died, and he sent flowers. He raised money for a tribute bench for someone he had never met.

the roger waters in the flesh tour was the one with doyle bramhall 3 on guitar . that was the first waters tour where it seemed to me he was taking the musi cend of the deal seriously and trying to honor the album version live . since then he has gotten way better at the music end of it . the last few tours he was exceptionally great . i couldnt believe how good it was compared to how his band was playing the songs on his firt tour . mind you there where highlights to that ie mel collins on dsax and eric claptons guitar work . i dont see how as a pink floy fan you could skip a roger waters show . .... fuck dave gilmour , so you have that , i would have enjoyed seeing dave live as i have seen all his live dvd's but i could never afford the prices he charged for tickets . last time it was 3-600 for nose bleeds here ...

Oh man, I didnt read the description clearly enough and thought this was going to be an interview with Neil Breen's sister. Well, this is just as good.

42:30 can somebody please tell me which film she's referring to?

Imagine how many good paintings were burned or thrown out by him

His sister is a really nice person. Interesting interview

Syd must have had some Bo Diddley in his record collection in the 60s.

Lovely lady. She must have been an immense help for Syd, and her nursing background must have helped too.

in France, did you were able to learn French?

Feel people are being unfair.his sister will connect his drug taking with his music imagine it will be a painfully reminder of How she lost her brother.