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Looks overcomplicated. And I'm not talking about the fact it has more than two phases. This is normal here in Europe. The way it's signalled is unclear.

In theory, this should work. We have one intersection that’s like this too. The issue is we have too many Ontario drivers in Nova Scotia now and we don’t have cops on the streets educating these drivers!

In Peel region (Mississauga + Brampton), they do have the bike signals turn yellow when the pedestrian countdown reaches a certain number (like what you described in the video description). However, they don't tend to use protected right turn phases. I'm just thought you may be interested in this. Examples: - Erin Mills Pkwy or Mavis Rd at a usual two-lane road with a left turn lane: bike signal turns yellow when pedestrian signal reaches 7 seconds - Erin Mills Pkwy at Eglington Ave: bike signal turns yellow when pedestrian signal reaches 12 seconds. - Argentia Rd at Winston Churchill Blvd: 11 seconds. A much newer one. IDK why they got rid of the right-turn overlaps, though. - Applewood Hills Trail at Rathburn Rd: 6 seconds. It's a midblock crossing. - Bovaird Dr at NB 410 offramp: 8 seconds. - Queen St at The Gore Rd: 12 seconds - Eglington Ave at Mavis Rd: 17 seconds. I'm guessing the clearance interval was calculated differently when that one was installed.

Nice 3m lens 🚦

That’s Caledonia and the belt line

There's 5 signs for saying what 2 could: "Right Turn Only" and "Transit, Authorized Vehicles, and Bicycles Excepted."

According to someone i know, compliance at the one at mayfield and Hurontario is really bad, and theres been quite a few close calls. Its a dual left turn on a four-lane road

Awesome!! I love this intersection!

Nice cycle! I love the symbolic lenses too! 3:15 What’s in the section to the left of the green right arrow? Yellow right arrow?

Love this setup! I personally would have the right arrow activate after the ped clearance, not during.

Québec's use of right turn arrows that conflict with priority movements is insane. Especially in Ottawa-Gatineau where the green arrow has a completely different meaning depending on which side of the river you're on

In Gatineau, the green right arrow sometimes comes on with the walk signal

Interesting

How long has it been like this? Because I remember seeing that lagging turn a while back

I’m thinking: the thru signal with the lagging left might be an overlap, which could be why the pedestrian walk/ped clear doesn’t extend into it.

I'm sorry but I don't get the point. Why does it go red? Then green with a uhh I think Protected/permissive left turn?

There is no need for the bike clearance to be that long. They only need to clear a couple metres before they're out of the path of right turning traffic

Nice ! This phasing looks good, I assume the left turn in the opposite direction will be protected only?

1:34 gotta love the bike lane that just leads straight into a barrier

Victoria seems to go with a 4s amber + 1s all-red for their bike signals. Vancouver’s standard is 3.5s amber + 1.5s all-red, but they permit the all-red time to be extended up to 2.5s at locations with high cyclist volumes. I went on Google Maps and measured the curb-to-curb distance at 32.4 meters. Obviously, this is based on the old curb location before the bike lane was installed, in case the curb location changed. I calculated it assuming a 20 km/h approach and clearance speed (since that is the average bicycle speed) and used a faster deceleration rate of 1.2 m/s (since bicycles can stop quicker than vehicles). So the end result was a total clearance time of 7.1s (5s amber + 2.1s all-red).

Has anything else changed since this video was posted?

Westbound traffic lights have been closed/ inactive ever since the intersection has done construction back in 2022

Cool signals! Only thing is, i can't find them on google maps.

Nah, I that's too many signals in my opinion

One thing I always notice about how Ontario sets up their traffic lights is how messy it is! Multiple poles and arms scattered about instead of doing what most provinces and states do by just mounting all the signals on one steel arm over the road! It would look so much cleaner and the lights would line up to their designated lanes better!!

Seems like the opposing left turn phase is too short! Only two cars made it!

Toronto is fugged up

Beautiful!

I Go With Split Phasing What Do You Think

These Gentrols are looking fresh! 👌

Love this! Triple green arrow Gentrol setups are so awesome!

Awesome!

Love this intersection! Can't get enough of the symbolic LEDs!

Have you ever seen a white "BUS" light out in the wild? I know that there are red/yellow/green ones, but I've never seen a white one before.

Here's another thing I noticed: When the South walk signal is on, traffic heading NB/SB can't proceed, and traffic turning left from WB can't proceed. Since there's barely any traffic to the west of the intersection since it's just parking lots and stuff, not many vehicles can go during that pedestrian phase. Everyone is just kind of held up. Here's my idea: if the South crosswalk button is pressed, we can instead make it so that the EB/WB stage can end while the South crosswalk still has the walk or FDW signal, then we can run SB left turns for the rest of that pedestrian phase. This will also reduce delay for NB traffic. If there's no traffic coming from WB, that phase gets skipped entirely and the pedestrians on the south crosswalk will get the walk signal and SB traffic will get a left turn signal. I don't know much about traffic signal controllers, so IDK how feasible this is.

I am from AUS (and do watch lots of your videos)but I have never seen that on the split phasing!

This is a case where they should probably just copy pedestrian calls one way but not both. So if someone calls the side conflicting with the left turn it also calls the ped phase on the other side, but in the case at the end of the video it would only call the side where there was actually a call

I like your idea of making the SBL callable/extendable but leaving the W side crosswalk on recall per the downtown pedestrian recall policy. I think the only downside is the cost of installing a detector and reconfiguring the control structure. The operation is not that complicated, there will certainly be enough outputs and phases etc. If they left the SBL fixed time and implemeted the timing I described on the previous video of this intersection, the southbound green would be 13 seconds (7s Walk + 11s FDW - 3s Amb - 2s AllRed) which is roughly what the green would be anyway with detection. In the Netherlands they would likely implement something like what you described but Toronto is so far behind on signal efficiency that they probably have a lot of other intersections that would benefit more from the time and money to reconfigure the phase structure and add detectors.

The attempted LPI for the southeast approach is a total waste. The vehicle-ped conflict occurs on an unsignlized channelized turn.

That’s way too confusing. Just have two lanes, the one with the tracks only for the trolleys and buses and the right hand lane for cars, and get rid of that must turn right situation

This is about Toronto but the protected/permissive left turn is dangerous. Also how do you go between Quèbec City and Toronto so much? 😮