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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2023
Hey I'm Lucy, CS caster and HLTV fantasy expert!
ETERNAL FIRE to WIN Katowice?
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FLY HIGH IMPERIAL! IEM KATO PLAY-IN!
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NEW YEAR NEW FANTASY! BLAST Bounty Playoffs!
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WILL MONGOLZ WIN THE MAJOR?! Pickems & Fantasy!
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PW MAJOR OPENING STAGE - PICKEMS & FANTASY!
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Europe RMR B - The BATTLE of TIER 2!
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Cloud9 to surprise? And am I washed??
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Free for Liquid? Quick thoughts on the Americas RMR!
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Looks like we're BLASTing off again! JACKZ stand-in BUFF??
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The GOAT is back on LAN! Can Brazil get REVENGE for RIO?
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FURIA wins Rio!
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CADIAN returns?! BLAST Fall Finals will be a COLOGNE repeat!
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EPL C&D - Free runs for MOUZ & VITA but a lot of DARK HORSES!
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I WON HLTV FANTASY?! Cologne PLAYOFFS!
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Yalla Compass will MAKE or BREAK this HLTV fantasy season!
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ASTRALIS win their first CS2 trophy OR MOUZ with another EPL win?
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ASTRALIS win their first CS2 trophy OR MOUZ with another EPL win?
Well, R.I.P. :D
I have donk, chopper, apex, flames and mir last, and I have made my team like this because I think that the spirit will show us that it doesn't matter if they get 3rd place in the group stage, they will still make it to the finals, but these are just my thoughts, and then I have a feeling that Vitality will be there as their opponent. and i will point out that im not a spirit fan if someone think it,s the reason why i have these thoughts
I'm going with chopper, iM, jL, woxic and maj3r. I'm hoping that chopper will do well enough against VP/Navi to justify not picking mir and using the chicken booster.
I grabbed chopper, Maj3r, sh1ro, ropz and mezii Maj3r played rly well and there is a decent chance to farm mongolz first game (chicken out vs vitality) Chopper is too low-priced not to pick ropz and mezii and sh1ro don't need explanation It is really 50/50 between NAVI and Spirit, but for the sake of the good overall draft, I went with Spirit (start in quarterfinals and also sh1ro)
I am struggling because I really feel EF is a REALLY good match up for Mongolz. Out of the last 4 BO3's they have won 3 of them 7-4 in maps, dominating map wins as well. I just got this gut feeling they will get past EF and Vitality just feel like a wildcard to me, they can be anything, they can be extremely good, bad or just right in the middle. It makes sense, they are still finding out of things, while Mongolz have had the same lineup for a loooong time and I also think Mongolz's ceiling is highly underrated and underappreciated. My lineup before watching the video was Mir, bLitz, mzinho(I wanted mzinho and 910 just can't make that equation work, if I could I would 100% just have stuck with mongolz here), iM and jL. After the video I do feel the duo of Xantares and MAJ3R is in a vacuum better, especially with MAJ3R's current form, but it means they HAVE to get past Mongolz and I am probably leaning 55-60 - 40-45 in favor of Mongolz, so I am really not sure what to go for. Navi I am locked in on, they have just looked extremely good and yes Donk is donk, but Navi is just the better TEAM and that is what I am believing will prevail there, mir is a given what to do with.
I do believe EF has a chance to upset vitality, and should just win against mongolz, mongolz really don't play like they did some time back I also know the final gives more points, but I do think spirit will farm on vp, so if they have a close loss ,it should be close to the same points as navi Ended up with majer/ropz/mezii/shiro/chopper, most are easy role activation, and shiro should be decent even if they lose,probably the most consistant one out there in the end, it will probably a bunch of good games to watch, I love the outcome of this stage :) gl:D
Hi lucy just wondering what you think about the team i got so far, got the best placement ever for me during the group stage coming in at 39th place so im trying my best to make a good team for the playoffs but im unsure about vitality also about the points you miss out on if you pick navi since you dont get the spirit players points from the first match, but anyway here it is: Chopper - Leader Sh1ro - Main AWP mezii - Support Ropz - multi fragger Maj3r - eco friendly
amazing, we have the same team :(
I picked out the exact same team. JL Looks like he's back to form this tournament. It will come down to Spirit vs Na'Vi
i hope the hltv awards intro stays permanently LOL
From today onwards, instead of telling someone they are bad at the game I am telling them they have a BRILLIANT noob role activation
i like this :D
I picked donk/magixx/blitz/techno/mir. I think it's crazy how heavily EF are favoured in that Mongolz match, I can't really imagine a reality where it's not a really close game. maybe if Senzu ghosts like he did at the major stage but I'd prefer to think that it was just the first time on a big stage like that and it's gonna be different now
i like this donk draft as you have no IGL players to bring you down. magixx/techno can be risky but given you have donk i think it works!
Howdy Lucy, Top 9% - Group Stage Going for Spirit Win: donk - Multi Fragger chopper - Eco Friendly XANTARES - Entry Fragger MAJ3R - Support mir * Chicken Out Keep up the good work, I love your videos, Good luck to everyone, gg
i went same with mir, maj3r, xantares and had to grab donk and chopper. im going safe early on and ill be a bit more risky in future group stages
my average zywoo, apex, magixx, chopper, jks draft worked out good, top 18%, also chiken on jks worked nicely here i go for flamez, mezii, aleksib, jL, maj3r leaves the room for ef going to the final, spirit after their matches look like they're back to their B/C form and navi should beat them again i don't think the farm from spirit vp game is enough to justify them - if they lose against navi, they will have less points overall
yep i think you're probably right. i like the flamez mezii combo! getting a bit of fomo not drafting vitality now...
hm, Im not actually sure if 1.5x for the finals is true, cuz at balst bounty donk for example got 1.40 rating and got only 25 player points, so lg the multiplier was 1.25 on players points or something, Idk actually but well, this one is a real tough one to draft, l am 100% going double vitality, absolutely don't believe in the concept of "playoff chokers", and with no one drafting them they're a lock-in for me, but it's just really tough to decide between double spirit and double navi for me cuz on one hand I do wanna go against everyone with navi for a more likely top1%, but on the other u really do wanna go for spirit to reck up some points Im ending up however on double spirit because the farm will just give you too many points I feel like, and Im going with apex, zywoo, sh1ro, chopper and mir not an ef believer really, l think it's a complete 50/50 against mongolz so lm absolutely not drafting them, but we'll see
i think it's because it's a bo5 grand final as well, so it's more than blast bounty? idk it probs says it in the hltv page for the event :D yeah i think vitality is fairly smart for that reason. i follow your logic. sh1ro and zywoo in one draft is kinda insane!
@@lucycasts blast bounty was bo5, so Idk
@@animaaad oh yeah ofc, my bad!
stop copying my draft smh all jokes aside, i like our chances, glgl
;)
Hi Lucy, My fantasy is: b1t - HS machine jL - Attacker apEX - Support jottAAA - Multi fragger MAJ3R - Eco friendly What do you think, does this fantasy have potential?
mm possibly, if apEX can perform - but you're probably not looking at a top 10% draft because it's lacking a bit of firepower on the top side of the bracket. perhaps swapping b1t for iM could give you the money to upgrade one of the EF players, or if there's a way to grab mezii instead?
@lucycasts I edited my fantasy. If I pick iM instead b1t (role multi fragger), I have a some money, I can pick wicadia (role entry fragger) and Mezii (role support) into my fantasy.
its incredible that we thought the same way and built the same team xD
it's the smart way!
i am going with maj3r, xantares, chopper, iM, w0nderful for this playoffs
same strat, opposite navi players, good luck!
ehmm, not sure where did my comment go, but l did go with staehr, jks kscerato and stanislaw. basically stanislaw should' farmed imp valk and that was the entire point of my draft, everything else is simple. and also l wrote that ur draft is pretty good, if zaaz does okay in the 2nd game l think this draft will be amazing for you
Going with staehr device jba naf and ana. Device has been nuclear since the start of this season so lets hope that holds up, jba said recently its just nerves with him on LAN so im gambling he can get over it soon and as a woman i have get someone from imperial (and naf because smg role activation is nice)
I am going kscerato, skullz, jabbi, staehr and twenty3. Just stick to the safe bets.
I wont for jotaa and woxic from EF Threw in stavn and staehr from astralis And Kat from imperial FE
Not sure how I feel about this one, but I'm going with KSCERATO, chelo, Graviti, biguzera and snow.
went with device, jabbi, woxic majer kat still thinking on changing ef with other team who can win 2 games easily to get padding
I grabbed kyubiiii, chelo, stavn, staehr and fl1t
people sleeping on lucy shes the fantasy goat
sup goat orgininally had nertz, jks, kauz, snow & ana gonna run with twistzz (leader) jks (support) zaaz (entry fragger) kauz (hs machine) & dav1deus (multifragger) instead thoughts & bol to you ❤🔥
device, jabbi, snow, skullz and kat. GL everyone
astralis feel good, gl!
Chelo Jabbi Staehr Fl1t ag1l Portuguese blood thinks we can upset (copium) Good luck to IMP, we will be rooting for them, but with the no IGL news especially, makes it all crumble, Chelo good HS role activation, hopefully doesn't do too bad against the bubble lead squad Jabbi Staerh easy top 3 combo against a struggling MIBR and then either a very sporatic 3DMAX which hopefully Cadian can stop, or a just as chaotic FlyQuest, shouldn't be too bad. Then fl1t and ag1l are my tippy toes, I think SAW can squeak by GL, we've had some more time off to get SHR up to par into what ewjerkz did for us, he's motivated has the firepower, and MUT has been in this struggling position 50 billion times at this rate, ZTR hasn't so, putting my chips on us eeking on by GL, going against VP and maybe mut can pull something out of his hat, if not I still have VP's top fragger so I won't say no to that. GLHF
yeah i think the thing with SAW is just getting the reps after such a big changeup in the lineup, definitely potential! at least ag1l gives you plenty of budget for the rest - you don''t have a clear weak link so i think this is a nice draft!
I've been tinkering a lot before this event, but I think I'm set on this xantares/device/jdc/kyuubii/zaaz I might still back out because tory not playing is a massive issue for Imperial and go with maybe jabbi and PR instead of xantares and zaaz, but I really rate the new BIG and feel like it'd be silly to not enable both xantares and device when it's easily doable.
i think the jabbi PR play is a much safer move tbh, lower ceiling but higher floor and removes the risk with Imperial not having tory. love the double BIG play too!
My previous event was AWFUL. Ropz and mezii netted me an amazing -7 points altogether, and w0nderful brought 4 points 😂😂 what a trainwreck... For this one, I'm going with a full brazilian roster. I'm betting on Furia with Fallen and kscerato, and pain with davideus and biguzera. Zaaz is my 5th, I can easily see her get a 0.9-1.1 rating in a match against t2 teams. GL!
ah, so that's how my draft was able to succeed :D great lineup, basically mine but with the pain lean instead of astralis. gl!
Hey Lucy Hope You're Doing Well, Top 21% - BLAST Bounty 2025 / Not Bad IEM Katowice 2025 - Play-in: XANTARES - Entry Fragger * My Goat device - Multi Fragger * Astralis Play-in Buff stavn - Leader zAAz - HS Machine * Played really well against Navi Kat - Support * Deagle? Yes / Going with just 1 Imperial player is risky but I'm going to pick 2 players and I'm willing to take the risk. I think teams will underestimate Imperial but I'm confident they can neutralize points, so that the others can bring points. I immediately became a fan after the demonstration against the best team in the world, they can put up a fight, so Go Valkyries!! All tips are welcome, Good luck to everyone, gg
i have nothing but respect for the double Imperial play! i'm mostly worried that without tory and with bubble subbing it might mess up their prep :/ but they, i love it, and it let you pick 3 fire other players!
I think I'll go with this: zaaz - Eco friendly kscerato - support chelo - HS Machine regali - Main AWP fl4mus - Entry Fragger
fun draft, high risk high reward! regali seems a great upgrade for flyquest, but it IS still flyquest... hope the boys pull through here!
i'm going with kscerato, yuurih, pr, ztr, snow risking it with gamerlegion, could be cooking?
risk of overcook with double GL but i definitely think PR is crazy value! solid team tho no real weak point if GL works out :)
Had to go with hyper this tournament along with jdc. they were both playing super good and can see them going to kato same with Woxic and majer ofcourse. I love that PR finally have the chance to prove himself in "t1" and he played pretty good in bounty, shame his team dint go through.
BIG are definitely sleeper, i rate it!
hyped and jdc really clutched up
@@zese123 They really did :D
what do you think about this draft queen, should i change someone? Chelo: Hs Machine FalleN: Main Awp Device: Multi Fragger Staehr: Leader Ztr: EcoFriendly
this is actually a really cool draft, less pitfalls than taking an imperial player to allow it. ztr is maybe a sleeper eco pick, very nice!
Hello, is it better to select 5 players from 5 different teams I think will qualify or 5 players from 3 teams like you did(2,2,1)? What do you think?
i think either 2/2/1 or 2/1/1/1, going 5 different teams is usually quite risky. that said, this particular event allows more risk due to so many teams going through!
Hello Lucy, Good Luck with your fantasy on this tournament My fantasy is : jottAAA - HS machine woxic - AWPer zAAz - multi fragger dav1deuS - Defender biguzera - Entry fragger (i wanted pick kauez, but he had worse stats) I don't know if I chose the right roles for the players. Especially, for zAAz and dav1deuS.
i think with zAAz you are better off with HS machine (because its a success agnostic role) or entry fragger. mullti fragger is high because of their success in the womens events
@@lucycasts Thank you Lucy <3
I picked imperial Zaaz from the blast play in to katowice play in. Love to see them. Besides, i choose Jks and Davideus + Kscerato and Chelo
i think jks is a bit expensive personally, would rather grab biguzera or snow with your draft i think!
FYI: bubble is playing for tory. Thats gonna be tough for the valkyries. :/
yeah just seen this :( not sure if it changes my draft... same ideas still apply so i think i will stick to it
You kept the intro - Yay! :D
:D
wow you are gorgeous, you looks like Bryce Dallas Howard
HNY, Lucy. Glad you're back! Let's kick this season's ass! ;) I agree with you, that 170k pricetag on nafany is just too sweet of a deal to pass up. But instead of a superstar carry, I went with a high floor team: ropz, zont1x, mezii, w0nderful + nafany. Not looking to win the event, but I'm not gonna end worse than top 30% either. ;)
a good and sensible approach for the season! best of luck :)
I grabbed also the trio HeavyGod-Chopper-Nafany, but decided to go with ropz and sh1ro. -Nafany -Chopper -Sh1ro -HeavyGod -Ropz
this is really nice too, possibly a bit more of a safer variant should vitality get upset by EF (which is very possible!)