Bought this when it was first released back in 1986. Remember being totally blown away by it. The 80s wee a great time for comics. Also miss seeing Tom Scioli on your show
The genesis of this book was that it was originally supposed to be two regular fill in issues of Daredevil, a book which Miller was circling again because sales had tanked since he’d left and they were openly talking about cancelling the title. (Ralph Macchio was the editor) But then Mazzucchelli was starting to catch Miller’s eye and meanwhile Sienkewitcz wanted to do the pages full color which they couldn’t figure out how to print in a regular comic, hence the jump to a graphic novel. (This was the dry run for ‘Elektra: Assassin’). I’m pretty sure Sienkewitcz was the originally intended artist for the storyline that became ‘Born Again’, no joke. I never understood why this book was so incredibly hard to track down tho, it took me a few years after publication to track it down and I had to search high and low for it. (*also, thanks for calling out the ‘peanut gallery’) Still my favorite run on a superhero, ever.
Goddamn. Bill Sienkiewicz, absolute master. Have this from my teenage collection from the 90s and have been obsessively collecting Sienkiewicz individual issues the last two years of renewed collecting. Have most of his ELEKTRA ASSASSIN and NEW MUTANTS masterpieces. But lesser known and equally gorgeous from around this era is his adaptation of MOBY DICK. Would love you guys to cover that...
Bill Sienkiewicz made a number of in-store Signing Appearances at Toronto's SILVER SNAIL shop, during the mid-1980's.. At that time, one of my most memorable experiences was flipping thru entire sketchbooks of Sienkiewicz's development artwork for this GN. In my mind's eye, the memory of those images were even better than the published work. Sienkiewicz was very generous with Toronto fans, during those visits. Politely answering every banal question, while he calmly worked his way thru a lengthy list of Sketch commissions..
I know it's not technically a graphic novel but visually the Wolverine and Havok - Meltdown story is the only story that takes the same big visual swings as this. Muth, Williams, and some Duchamp! What a ride
In case anyone is interested, this GN is also available in the Daredevil-Miller Omnibus Companion, a really great collection. FWIW, page 1 in that edition is also on the left-hand side. As always, great work boys, looking forward to the next!
My first image from this book was from the same place Ed pointed out. And just like him it scared the shit out of me. Like seeing Hellraiser as a toddler. It took 15 years for me to find and read this masterpiece. Sienkiewicz is untouchable. Staples in Elektra! Holy shit. Glad that dude is still doing amazing work. CHECK OUT BIG NUMBERS! Bill can do anything. He changed comics for the better.
When it comes to the other marvel graphics novels , I’m really partial to Killraven: Warrior Of The Worlds. I’m a huge P. Craig Russell mark and that was when he was really finding his style
Some interesting stylistic choices there, too. I haven't read it in a while, but I remember some pages that were more like an illustrated story than sequential work.
I love that Love & War hardcover, and that it includes Elektra: Assassin. I never noticed the pagination difference and now I’m really curious what he intended! ***Can y’all ask Sienkiewicz???***
The only one of these flip throughs you boys have done of Sienkiewicz’s output I haven’t immediately rushed to buy is the Artifact Edition, and that’s cause I just can’t find enough dollars for it. What a beauty this GN is, gives yah that itch only a sharp pen can scratch.
Kaluta's Starstruck is the Marvel Graphic Novel that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned. Really stunning art and design in that one. Plus, you can compare the original and IDW printings like you did with Love and War.
one of my favourite novels from Frank and Bill. and so enjoyable listening to other guys that get caught up in the whole art/cartoon/history/commentary of reading a comic. nice one guys!
Question: Is there a David Mack without Bill Sienkiewicz? No disrespect to David Mack, love his work/artistic style. But would it have been allowed to flourish had it not be for pioneers like Seinkiewicz? Great video guys.
I just checked mine, it's the most recent Brazilian edition, and the first page is indeed on the left. Weird, I don't remeber finding it wrong when I read it. This book made quite an impression on me when I was a kid and it was first published in Brazil. But I would only be able to read it properly recently!
Try these out guys: Silverheels (1987-Eclipse), Pigeons from Hell (1988-Eclipse), Dracula (1986-Marvel), Killraven (1983-Marvel), Amazing Spider-Man: Hooky (1986-Marvel), Marada The She-Wolf (1982-collected-1985-Marvel) and any of the American Flagg from FIrst.
I would put Bernie Fuchs on the list of visible influences on Sienkiewicz. I have a translated edition of this book and the first page is on the left side too. Always a strange choice.
Sienkiewicz (and Moore), Big Numbers. Can we please have a video on this and the unpublished, unreleased stuff that has appeared online. I’d like to hear your thoughts on it. Keep up the good work!
Great video on easily the best marvel graphic novel . You guys hit it on the spot about Bill Sienkiewicz being an artist of the highest order that was working in a medium where his creativity took full hold. I think there are some direct references or callbacks made but it's part of that illustrative tradition (Blair and Cruickshank before Sienkiewicz, now spiderverse animation) and not something negative like cancel culture of today's social media imply. The impact Bill S. gets from reworking mixed media or source material for maximum effect is all that matters. Look at the concept art Mary Blair did for Disney for a possible reference to Bill's use of wallpaper or cloth patterns. Seeing the actual brushstrokes, splatters, pastels, charcoal or cray pas made a huge impact to me where the regular comicbook art obscured those details.
Bought this when it was first released back in 1986. Remember being totally blown away by it. The 80s wee a great time for comics. Also miss seeing Tom Scioli on your show
The genesis of this book was that it was originally supposed to be two regular fill in issues of Daredevil, a book which Miller was circling again because sales had tanked since he’d left and they were openly talking about cancelling the title. (Ralph Macchio was the editor) But then Mazzucchelli was starting to catch Miller’s eye and meanwhile Sienkewitcz wanted to do the pages full color which they couldn’t figure out how to print in a regular comic, hence the jump to a graphic novel. (This was the dry run for ‘Elektra: Assassin’). I’m pretty sure Sienkewitcz was the originally intended artist for the storyline that became ‘Born Again’, no joke. I never understood why this book was so incredibly hard to track down tho, it took me a few years after publication to track it down and I had to search high and low for it. (*also, thanks for calling out the ‘peanut gallery’) Still my favorite run on a superhero, ever.
I've seen Bill create his artwork and he is fearless in it's creation. It is a jaw dropping experience to see him do it.
one of my favorite Marvel Graphic Novels is Star Slammers. I also have a warm spot for Ron Wilson's Super Boxers
Goddamn. Bill Sienkiewicz, absolute master. Have this from my teenage collection from the 90s and have been obsessively collecting Sienkiewicz individual issues the last two years of renewed collecting. Have most of his ELEKTRA ASSASSIN and NEW MUTANTS masterpieces. But lesser known and equally gorgeous from around this era is his adaptation of MOBY DICK. Would love you guys to cover that...
They have done his Moby Dick actually! Only a few months ago, paired with looks at two other earlier adaptations by other creators
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Bill Sienkiewicz made a number of in-store Signing Appearances at Toronto's SILVER SNAIL shop, during the mid-1980's.. At that time, one of my most memorable experiences was flipping thru entire sketchbooks of Sienkiewicz's development artwork for this GN. In my mind's eye, the memory of those images were even better than the published work. Sienkiewicz was very generous with Toronto fans, during those visits. Politely answering every banal question, while he calmly worked his way thru a lengthy list of Sketch commissions..
I know it's not technically a graphic novel but visually the Wolverine and Havok - Meltdown story is the only story that takes the same big visual swings as this. Muth, Williams, and some Duchamp! What a ride
In case anyone is interested, this GN is also available in the Daredevil-Miller Omnibus Companion, a really great collection. FWIW, page 1 in that edition is also on the left-hand side.
As always, great work boys, looking forward to the next!
One of my favourites. Sienkiewicz’s work is so visceral.
My first image from this book was from the same place Ed pointed out. And just like him it scared the shit out of me. Like seeing Hellraiser as a toddler. It took 15 years for me to find and read this masterpiece. Sienkiewicz is untouchable. Staples in Elektra! Holy shit. Glad that dude is still doing amazing work. CHECK OUT BIG NUMBERS! Bill can do anything. He changed comics for the better.
Amazing book. I met bill in LA years ago and he signed my Electra Assassin re-issue - great guy, phenomenal talent! 💀🔥
When it comes to the other marvel graphics novels , I’m really partial to Killraven: Warrior Of The Worlds. I’m a huge P. Craig Russell mark and that was when he was really finding his style
Some interesting stylistic choices there, too. I haven't read it in a while, but I remember some pages that were more like an illustrated story than sequential work.
I got the OG. Met Bill a few times and had him sign it along with his EPMD album cover
Check out the Raven Banner by Charles Vess it's a very nice early marvel graphic novel
I love this book! Picked it up a while back after reading elektra assassin. Amazing art, and great writing!
I really wish this type of innovation and creativity was still in mainstream comics after the 2000s
I love that Love & War hardcover, and that it includes Elektra: Assassin. I never noticed the pagination difference and now I’m really curious what he intended! ***Can y’all ask Sienkiewicz???***
ANOTHER Awesome vid.
One of my fave graphic novels. One of my 1st tpb pick up in 80s. Miller at his best 👌
The only one of these flip throughs you boys have done of Sienkiewicz’s output I haven’t immediately rushed to buy is the Artifact Edition, and that’s cause I just can’t find enough dollars for it. What a beauty this GN is, gives yah that itch only a sharp pen can scratch.
Kaluta's Starstruck is the Marvel Graphic Novel that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned. Really stunning art and design in that one. Plus, you can compare the original and IDW printings like you did with Love and War.
Elektra Lives Again!
one of my favourite novels from Frank and Bill.
and so enjoyable listening to other guys that get caught up in the whole art/cartoon/history/commentary of reading a comic.
nice one guys!
Heartburst is so good! Rick is a super nice dude, too.
Great recommendation, Ed!
Awesome book, thanks for the video. It would be interesting to see you look through Holy Terror one day.
Question: Is there a David Mack without Bill Sienkiewicz? No disrespect to David Mack, love his work/artistic style. But would it have been allowed to flourish had it not be for pioneers like Seinkiewicz? Great video guys.
Did you notice one of Kingpin’s hired goons looks a lot like Garrett, the SHIELD/CIA cyborg? I’m sure can’t be a coincidence.
Awesome 🔥 really excited
One of my fave Miller / graphic novels. Loved this when I got it in 87. More so than Watchmen. Easier to follow
If you‘re tired of Mignola, the Silver Surfer: Judgment day illustrated by John Buscema is visually amazing !!!
I just checked mine, it's the most recent Brazilian edition, and the first page is indeed on the left. Weird, I don't remeber finding it wrong when I read it.
This book made quite an impression on me when I was a kid and it was first published in Brazil. But I would only be able to read it properly recently!
Try these out guys: Silverheels (1987-Eclipse), Pigeons from Hell (1988-Eclipse), Dracula (1986-Marvel), Killraven (1983-Marvel), Amazing Spider-Man: Hooky (1986-Marvel), Marada The She-Wolf (1982-collected-1985-Marvel) and any of the American Flagg from FIrst.
Marada is a really good choice for Marvel Graphic novels. Early Bolton.
As others have also noticed, Marvel redid some of the lettering and panel bordering when they reprinted this graphic novel.
i was 10 yrs old when read for the first time in 89 .... Blown my mind so hard ...
I would put Bernie Fuchs on the list of visible influences on Sienkiewicz.
I have a translated edition of this book and the first page is on the left side too. Always a strange choice.
Sienkiewicz (and Moore), Big Numbers. Can we please have a video on this and the unpublished, unreleased stuff that has appeared online. I’d like to hear your thoughts on it. Keep up the good work!
Dr Strange & Dr Doom by Stern & Mignola
Spider-Man Hooky by Wrightson & Putney
Man, I miss this format
Missed out on this Gallery edition! :(
But I have Daredevil and Elektra in singles so its ok hahahaha
Hi, for me it would be: Dr Strange and Dr Doom Triumph and Torment !!!
Punisher Kindom Gone
First MARVEL OGN I bought off the shelves as a kid.
I swear I have this but like so many other comics , have no idea where it is!
the animated into the spiderverse movie has a similar kingpin. I wonder if they used the daredevil gn for inspiration
Finally I find someone who notices this. They HAD to have been influenced by this.
Dudes, make a video about the Metalzoic graphic novel. One of finest works of Kevin O'Neill.
Suggestion for great Marvel GN: Inhumans w Ann Nocenti and Bret Blevins
Neuromancer by Tom Haven and Bruce Jensen
Great video on easily the best marvel graphic novel . You guys hit it on the spot about Bill Sienkiewicz being an artist of the highest order that was working in a medium where his creativity took full hold. I think there are some direct references or callbacks made but it's part of that illustrative tradition (Blair and Cruickshank before Sienkiewicz, now spiderverse animation) and not something negative like cancel culture of today's social media imply. The impact Bill S. gets from reworking mixed media or source material for maximum effect is all that matters. Look at the concept art Mary Blair did for Disney for a possible reference to Bill's use of wallpaper or cloth patterns. Seeing the actual brushstrokes, splatters, pastels, charcoal or cray pas made a huge impact to me where the regular comicbook art obscured those details.