i really don't think we'll get a bloodbag ID for any sinner. the game expresses that bloodbags are no different from corpses - they don't even have sanity. wouldn't make any sense for anybody to get one
You thought she was going to have SIX bleed count?? No wonder you were disappointed lmao. Seriously though I like that they seem to be committed to keeping 00s relevant by making them the count appliers for statuses.
I mean Rhino Muersault has 6 count on S3 and Hook Hong Lu can have up to 4 on S2 I feel like 6 count on the vampire princess Id is a perfectly reasonable ask
@@Radiance_Buer Bruh, said vampire queen gives 4 attack power up unconditionally, ramps bleed potency, good overall clashing and base damage, a clashable counter that also helps ramp blood feast and shuts down enemy bleed. perfectly fuels Hex Nail, almost perfectly fuels Sanguine Desire. If Ring Sang didn’t exist she’d be the best bleed ID ever released even with her current application.
Can feel the unreliability of bleed count in the recent Canto bosses, 1 skipped their stagger turn through cutscenes and 1 just has bazillions unbreakable coins (either take full damage or clash wins and they spend bleed count too fast through retialiation). Not even 15+ bleed count is enough when my Rodion got staggered and unable to use Sanguine.
About "Gregor and Outis will absorb blood", they cannot absorb blood until a vampire of a higher rank drinks blood first, it is written in the description of blood feast
This is a long vid so I'm not entirely sure about the context, but this bloodfeast rank rule currently never stops anyone from consuming bloodfeast. Rodion's skill 1 and 2 trigger on combat start while the other two do it on their turn, so she will always do it first regardless. And if she uses anything other than s1 and 2, she isn't counted for this turn, so she doesn't block them off.
I think you are looking at the ids from the wrong angle. They don't really care all that much about count only that 30-50 bleed damage is dealt every turn across every combatant (enemies and allies) to be added into the resource pool to empower their abilities. If they made it easy to stack bleed to 99/99 outside of MD those encounters would absolutely suck for every other id except bleed because they would have to compensate and buff those enemies HP to absurd amount to account for thousands of damage from coin flipping on the enemies. Bloodfeast is the resource pool for these ids and it really does create a new bleed archetype that isn't reliant on count while caring a lot about potency so they can get access to enough resource in the pool for the next turn. They are really well designed ids following the new design philosophy for chain battles where they will be able to ramp up.
This is it exactly, not every status is meant to be stacked to 99, or like the recent sinking ids they are making ids that give an alternate win con - lament vs spicebush. raw damage and clash vs pure status application. Wild hunt heath, Edgar Gregor and lament all lean into damage like the bloodfiends while spice and boat ish are application maxing like the older bleeds, n Faust kurokuma ryo ect
i think you're underestimating the attack buffs due to seeing it at max ramp up when i think the intent is to get some of the bloodfiends off the ground at the beginning of the fight as early on they can roll low but i am fairly new so this could just be an incorrect notion
no youre right, using rodion s2 at start makes outis s1 roll from 11 to 13 and her s2 from 16 to 18. when you dont have bleed conditionals completed at the start this is very big, saved my ass sometimes. its even more if you gave her 2 slots, you can gain and give up to 4 attack power up. I actually didnt think they would be this generous with power up, I thought it would be capped at 2 but its 4.
Moo pepega moment: I don’t care about attack power up. ah yes let’s ignore more damage that u can get by raising 2 more final power which just dosnt mean only better clashing (that’s clash power buff u thinking that only gives better clashing) it also means more damage (looks at rodya rolling 26 skill 2)
Also AFAIK [On Use] works at clash start or at unopposed attack start. Defensive skills which aren't clashed never get their on use effects. It happens during the combat phase after the combat start, so there's no danger of Rodya not drinking blood.
Was just about to say the same thing. Attack power up is so good especially a total of 4 attack power if both rodion and another bloodfiend in on stage. Its the strongest part about her kit rn but moo moo pepega'd.
Also, bleed count is really not a big problem, ring yi sang can just spin to win 3 bleed count on s2 more often than not, and R meursault inflicts like a bajillion bleed count
@@skybox6656I literally just got Blade Lineage Meursault earlier today because I wanted to build a Blade Lineage Team. Now if I am going to build one I am going to need around two months. Every two weeks I typically get around 190-230 Ego Shards. I am missing every Blade Lineage except Meursault and Outis. I already know Outis isn’t the best but I have good egos for her.
@@shinexl8079 Bleed count has already been saved by the Ring IDs though; Ring IDs + Hook Hong-Lu or R Mersault, should give you more than enough bleed count. There's also nails from NFaust, it's not much, but still Bleed count at the start of the turn, makig it alteast Count Neutral. What they needed the most was potency generation; Which was also saved by both Sanguine Desire and REP Ryoshu.
The whole scenario you described with the Bloodfeast will not happen. Outis and Gregor cannot drop a single blood before Rodion drinks. She will accumulate stacks just fine, IMHO.
She feels so comfy and rewarding to play with her two children. I like very much all of her buffs and the blooming thorn mechanic. The only part i dont like is how her counter doesn't have any conditionals. Man at least make it roll as much as her s1. Also the bleed count whining is annoying at this point. Just use r corp sault and trigger the reuses of ringsang and ringoutis.
You can use N Faust instead of Ring Outis so you can have the whole family plus Whistle and Nails which everyone will love, specially Ring Yi Sang and Hex Nail Faust passive
@BebeYoshi I have Nfaust but she is forever benched because of her good passive and horrible clashes. Oh yeah, I use the whole family atm alongside Ringsang and Kuro Ryo(I didn't get Red Eyes last walpnight so I will shard her next time + sanguine desire).
@@Whurrythe same argument applies though the only real benefit of nfaust's passive is 15sp being given to 2 allies as opposed to only one if you bench her, the current bleed team doesn't really have a huge sanity gain problem especially in drawn out fights
I don't get the obsession with bleed count. Her S2 alone makes her S tier, also focusing more on blooming thorns over attack power up? Really? A 2 attack power up for you and another ally on turn 1 is negligable especially on outis which has a lot of coins on her skills? From what I experience too, she doesn't really need bloodfeast that much so her giving it to others more is actually great. This is maybe your most "Huh?" analysis of an id, I disagree with most of your review of DulciRodion.
id disagree as the truth is others CANT GET BLOODFEAST until she does its the rule of the ascending order. but her supporting others i do agree is great. honestly...i do feel you on the huh REALLY moment.
@caellanmurphy4751 that rule has been completely misunderstood i believe. It only matters if there isn't enough bloodfeast, then higher kindreds have priority.
@@caellanmurphy4751the order doesn’t matter since Rodion is on [Combat Start]while the other two is on [On Use] she will be first no matter what it’s just the matter of will there be enough for everyone
Bleed count is a non problem we have: Rmeursault +2 s2 and +6 s3 with 2 skills RinSang +3 s2 without procs on bleed again with 1 proc on bleed is +6 Nfaust with nails giving every turn 2-4 count
@@noahi.1381 nope they give a fixed 1 potency at turn start and the same value for count but halves every turn, so s2 and s3 basically gives 2 count start of next turn for the first use and u can snowball it to 4 per turn start.
its either the bloodfiends gonna be like what we saw in the story craving for blood even stoop as low as pathetically licking the blood drops from the ground (like us scavenging for the bleed counts and bloodfeast frfr), or they raise the bar for don's kit so high we gonna witness another ring yi sang 🗣🗣
Bleed count can be reliably be kept up already if you know what you're doing. The damage the trio deals together along with other bleed ids is already amazing, you clearly have not explored how they work.
@poposao1 barber does insane damage compared to ring, especially in mass aoe encounters, which is all MD is. And now, with all the bloodfiends buffed by confetti, I just did a run and basically ran over everything without thinking.
@@jona5755 haven't used either yet so i had no idea lol. then again if we do not get anything else for brother salt, Rcorp will do the job just fine... but DQ meursault would go hard
@@makovader2124 don't have much to argue with the first kindred tbh lol although i'd say a pierced DQ who resigns himself to be judged and basically sentenced to suffering by a multitude sounds right up Meursault's alley imo but you're right that it's probably a bit too early or even just too much for us right now to get a second kindred even if weakened
Honestly, I don´t get why everyone is so obssed with count. MD -> non issue does not matter. Normal/Story does not require much count to clear and its just a nice extra dmg to already strong IDs. Its clear they don´t want you to just stack infinite count be it rupture/bleed/sinking to 99 for free and instantclear any story content.
Is there any point of getting bleed count? I mean, bloodfiend consume bleed to get stronger like atk weight, defense, etc. If we getting skill that having many bleed count, isn't that gonna be broken? like 2-3 round boss kill (not counting MD) and what's the point of making bloodfiend gimmick if we can make enemy k*ll em self?. I just don't understand why ppl want bleed count so down bad. No offense, i'm just curious...
because that's the whole point of bleed, For every status actually, to sustain and use bleed to chip away the enemie's hp, While i do not use a bleed team. Or any non-selfish status i can see what pm is going for, either a team that buffes itself by consuming bleed or an alternate team which... You know, does what bleed is supossed to and stacks it, On a side note. Rodya self fuels sanguine desire which is an already good status EGO, It is completely understandable that pm didn't add much count on her
Because people forget that bleed count is already in a really good position because they haven't used a bleed team. Bleed count is easy to build and manage atm
I feel like Rodya is pretty much confirmation of the pattern for Bloodfiends; with how their bonus coin power conditional activates on use (so it doesn’t lower even after bleed disappears), the focus with them seems to primarily be set in Bloodfeast as a resource. Like a slower charge, but one that allows for stronger effects than what charge characters currently have. Plus, in the case of Princess Rodya’s S3 and Don’s Yearning-Mircalla, they actually get stronger according to the total Bloodfeast the character has eaten up. So rather than focusing on bleed as a status for damage, Bloodfiends so far feel more like a charge/poise team, and I imagine Don’s eventual ID will follow this pattern. Outis has a strong AoE, but she mostly feels like a fodder clearer or just damage support with her Sewing Target once a bleed stack has been properly set up on a single target. Rodya and Gregor have their nukes, but until they get charged up enough for it, they’re both mostly just support. Don will probably be the true DPS of the La Mancha crew, and I imagine she’ll be even crazier than Wild Hunt Heathcliff. Considering she betrayed Quixote, I wouldn’t be surprised if she had a negative SP skill in the same style as WH Heathcliff too, or maybe Dawn Sinclair’s Blazing Strike, especially since her Yearning-Mircalla can help her recover SP. Since it would have been made with the intention of some synergy with Don’s seasonal ID, beyond just the Bloodfeast stuff, I’m guessing its passive is also meant to contribute to her play style.
Have you... actually played a Bleed team... Like seriously, are you seriously thinking that bleed team is running into Count problems. This problem died off the moment Ring Outis became a thing. And before we discuss about the opportunity cost that comes with bringing Barber Outis instead, let me mention that we intend to attain bleed potency more than count in order to grab as much bloodfeast within 1 turn as humanly possible. In moments we do need more count, we always have Rhino Sault, Ring Sang, Hook Lu, or Nfaust to come in clutch when we need to (game straight up recommends we bring Rhino anyway because Mircalla exists). And even if we have to have this kinda argument, Sanguine exists. Like dude, their is so many things that makes this ID so ridiculously strong: Her small bloodfeast spending, the thorns effect being incredible at stacking potency, her S2 applying up to FOUR POWER UP!!! Like the last thing I would think about is how much count she applies by herself and even then, she is more than fine (2, 1, 2 count is not bad in a bleed team whatsoever).
It's like captain Ish all over again. "she can't even fulfill her own S3 conditional" like my guy she applies 4 ATK up on s2 and has additional attacks who cares about her own bleed, plus there's like 6 id slots and if you have trouble with keeping up statuses even with 6 slots then that's an honest skill issue at that point.
Nothing. They can see bleed count is already super manageable even without sanguine desire if you know what your doing so their not worrying about count as much
Bloodfiends aren't here to save bleed as a general status, might as well treat it as a separate team to regular bleed. Just need more pieces of the bloodfiend puzzle.
fuck, the amount of whiners who don't care about anything but COUNT is just irritating, rupture bros have at least a semblance of reason, and bloodfiends aren't even about just bleed, they are about self-empowering while using bleed as a source, go play with artist yi sang and outis, and don't impose your one dimensional ideas on everything that has the keyword in their kit, the game and mechanics are expanding, and so are the archetypes, if you can't see the gold, check the oculist. If you think that it's a rage bait, so be it. I'm just fed up seeing the same whining over and over and over and over again about everything that doesn't give limbillion damage in a most boring and disengaging way
Bleed Count!! Bleed Count!! Bleed Count!! Bleed Count!! Bleed Count!! Ring Sang, NFaust, RMeur, and Kuro Ryo: Seems like he forgot we exist. If you can't stack up the bleed count with these IDs, it's pretty much a skill issue at this point.
I mean you'd likely want to use the other bloodfiend id's to fuel the thorns and assuming the Seasonal Don id also works along with the bloodfiends you'd have 2 slots left which makes it a bit difficult to build up count.
Im using trio, ringsang, kurokumo ryo, nfaust and didnt have any bleed count problems, I tried it on a mdh run which I didnt get any bleed ego gifts. sometimes I didnt include nfaust on the bosses and went in with 5 sinners to give the extra slot to priest gregor or rodion, rodion for extra buffs and extra bleed count and priest gregor for bloodfeast ramp up speed and extra bleed count. used 1 sanguine desire every boss and sometimes I had to do one sided attacks while ignoring low hitting ones to keep up the bleed count but its how bleed plays, you have to prepare yourself for hits, even the trio have healing in their kits and rodion giving everyone thorns is just cherry on top, so not much problem. what sucks is if the boss' part is breakable and you built the bleed on there it just becomes useless. I want sancho to come fast and replace nfaust for this team, the nails status and gaze is great but she rolls 11-16-12 man, extra slot is always more worth it if you dont do human fights and do encounter fights
@@thomaspau211 This is the key point...these IDs that give count will lose their slots to more BF IDs. I'm seeing BF team a separate entity to regular bleed at this point, more of a unique charge mechanic than actively caring about bleed as a status. I think full bloodfiend team will work well, but we're just getting the puzzle pieces one at a time
I really do not get the obsession with bleed count people are having, bleed count is in a good position. Like has anyone who wants bleed count ran a bleed team? Bleed has been one of, if not my most used teams and I have a LOT of teams. I can say this with confidence, if you know what your doing bleed count is rarely a problem, there are few enemies that make bleed count actually hard to build/manage. And not even because sanguine desire btw. I've not used sanguine desire in months until now, and even now I'm not using it for count, I'm using it to combo with meursalt's mircalla ego. Because bleed count is NOT THAT DAMN HARD if you actually think, to the point you don't even need Sanguine desire for building or maintaining count with the exception of a few enemies. Also seriously I swear this man was so disappointed by the lack of bleed count he ignored what makes the id good. There's only 1 disappointment here and it's not the id. It's the analysis of her that's disappointing
Fr. With so many of his "analyses" he just outright ignores like 90% of the ID and hones in on one tiny little thing that 9 times out of 10 isn't even an issue
@@WendigoTS i Will Just say This: Rosette Desire + yearning-mircalla meursalt funny rose effect = 38 bleed potency, no count Lost and on top of that a free stagger só i can build UP EVEN more bleed count ( Also people ARE ignoring her hex nail effect + Rosette Desire with her blooming thorns, i kid you not, The bleed potency IS wild).
@@quemteperguntou4412 and with the other two bloodfiends stacking count, the potency is insane. Even without count, more than enough bloodfeast is being generated :D
Rodion is perfectly fine as is, Sanguine Desire exists. Honestly, Rodya makes the idea of cutting N Faust not completely insane tbh. She has Festive Fever to replace Gaze (well as long as you do a big Lust chain which is trivial in the current Bleed team), much better rolls overall, she can heal while Priest Gregor and N Faust bench passive still help the SP generation side, and she also has Hex Nail for even more healing. As we get more and more Bloodfiends her stack generation is also gonna become a lot faster which will help her get to her enhanced s3 a lot sooner Kinda sad her s1 is just inferior to the counter in any way since counter gives 4 thorns and also will have a huge defense level boost thanks to thorns, but oh well it is what it is. At least you don't need that much Pride
Rhino mersault does do 5-6 bleed count, yi ponti has crazy ramp up, kurokomo ryoshu’s passive gives a addition +1 bleed, and and N faust has her nails. On top of both of rodion and mersault’s bleed ego. Princess having +5 bleed would have been overkill, especially due to these ids using bleed more like charge (or more aptly coffin) rather than their raw means of damage.
Tbh, I'm okay with her being more on the supportive side. There hasn't been much in that way in the ID roster like ever, almost. My issue with bleed rn, is: 1. Almost everything dies before you can get a good amount on enemies 2. Fights are too short for bloodfiends to apply bleed, drink the bloodfeast, and then level up from them But yeah, maybe those will get resolved with more chain battles on the way? Regardless, having an archetype be almost completely reliant on ONE season of IDs is kind of insane (if the rest of the bloodfiend IDs pan out well this season). The Sancho ID will most likely be the main DPS/sub DPS, next to whoever gets the Don Quixote ID (If the DQ ID doesn't exist, Sancho probably will be main DPS next to Outis). If we cope hard enough, KJH might reveal something big on the livestream in the coming weeks, after all the anniversary is coming up, as well.
Yeah, bleed count isn't the priority for these bloodfiend IDs, they revolve around blood feast. I mean, R Meursalt, RingSang and K.Ryoshu still exists for bleed count but it'll be nice if Sancho can at least get count positive.
@@-mene .....those that like having a lot of bleed count to stack bleed with for the team and aren't planning on R.E.P Ryoshu being the main carry of the team?
Geniune Question but do you actually play about with bleed teams? Since this seems like an outdated echo chamber. It feels like you're conflating Count with being good now, when we have other IDs (HookLu and RSault) for that, and Sanguine to stop it from dropping. Bleed hasn't been struggling since last season, and none of the statuses are lacking, Rupture only needs 1/2 IDs to spice it up; and a personal want for a blunt Poise ID, but it's mainly having options/variation now.
00 Bleed IDs are where the count is at RingTis and HookLu are best Bleed count generator; RMer is good, but pales in comparisson to both. Rodion already had access to the best Bleed EGO in the game; If she also applied a ton of Count, what's the point of having the 00 Bleed IDs? More importantly she mostly works best with other BFs.
@Commission_ I never said to run both MD go wild, wring BF Outis, Bleed literally only needs the starter EGO Gifts; Outside of it, you're going to want Ring Outis' S2. BF Rodion+BF Gregor is already a good ramping combo
@@boxtupos7718 Barber Outis’ superior clashing, damage, and self healing makes her the better choice outside of MD, especially with Princess Rodiya on the field since she’ll always be the one to get the attack power up from Princess’s skill 2. Bleed count doesn’t mean much if you can’t inflict it in the first place, good luck trying to do RR4 envy pecatulums with Ring Outis’ mediocre numbers.
@@marakrofitcac3425 Except Clashing and Damage is not what a Bleed Team needs. The team literally has RingSang and REPRyo; You only need the other 2 BF, because by their design they need to ramp up, having 3 makes the team really slow. You can run BarberTis, but again, you will lose out on the best Bleed Count generator. Even then right off the jump RingTis deals more damage than BarberTis; Simply because of how easy to hit the rerolls on her S2. A pure BF team is different from a Bleed tean, and Bleed team with both Ring IDs is just better RN. For Bloodfeast stacking you only really need Priest Gregor, and have him and Princess Rodya be your ramping ids.
Yall need to stfu about Count like Ring Yi Sang doesn't apply anywhere between 3 count at minimum and 12 count at maximum on his S2, and 3 count at minimum and 6 count at maximum on his S3. R Meursault applies 2-4 count on his S2 and 6 count on his S3. NFaust with two uses of her S2 applies a base total of 4 count which just keeps ramping up every turn the more Nails she stacks (esp with N Heath's passive). Hell, if you're STILL desperate, you can bring KK Ryoshu, who applies +3 count on her S2 and S3. Bleed Count is the most blown-out-of-proportion skill issue I've ever seen. I consistently run Bleed against Nelly who has 6 skill slots, high speed and basically all 3-coin skills, and you can still build Bleed Count against her easily. Once you use R Meursault's S3 once you basically shouldn't have any issues with count management and if you do idk what to tell you except to get good, because Bleed has the single most number of IDs out of any status effect and like 50% of them apply plenty of count.
THIS but honestly this is rodya he has sanguine desire. a LUST HEAVY E.G.O. and generally is what youd mostly need in the 1st place. we had 1 overbusted unit with ringsang they aint making that mistake twice. in my eyes BLEED really does not need saving. RUPTURE does not bleed by a longshot honestly i feel BURN is worse off than most of the other statuses(excluding rupture)
@@x3dwany371 Depends on what you have honestly Princess Rodya is really good as a slot 1 candidate; Other choice is the GOD ID of Limbus Company, Ring Pointilist Yi-Sang. Priest Gregor helps ramp Bloodfeast really fast, and is a really good tank by himself REP Ryoshu, arguably top 2 ID in the game; Tanky (You're trolling if she dies; Gains shield and can heal), clashes insane (With enough Charge), deals insane damage, and a lot of bleed Potency generation. Ring Outis and Yi-Sang, R Mersault, and Hook Hong-Lu (Walpipi) are your main Bleed count generator, best to bring atleast 2 or 3 of these IDs (Ring Outis generates the best; And is just an 00 ID). NFaust is also really good in both the bench or field; Lust resonance gives a 15 SP (If she's benched), and 2 IDs if she's on the field. Also she's the best enabler for the Ring IDs insane rerolls. Also fucking Fluid sac (If you field her).
@@boxtupos7718 I got ring sang and REP ryoshu both maxed excluding ego, got r meur not maxed, I do have priest Greg so I think I’ll just grab n Faust and max out ring outis for now and slap ahab on there
Some people be overexaggerating on bleed count number where there's a lot of id in the game that deliver the job well. Majority of us already got or shard NFaust and you can get her for free if you're a new player. Ringsang is a must in a bleed team right now do how broken he is and suprise, he actually give 3 counts on his S2 not counting the reuse. There's also other id mentioned here in the comment for cheaper alternative. For ego you can try to gacha or shard sanguine desire later on walpurgist. To proof this i actually ran trio la manchaland(Didn't have sanguine desire on Rodya), N faust, Ring sang and either TT hong lu/Red eyes Ryoshu on Nelly story fight, luxca lamp and exp. Luxca exp got a bit problem since you can't focus on certain enemies but the count is okay on exp imo (like 15-20/2-3 bleed per enemy). Luxca lamp and Nelly got a big results with bleed around 40-50/7-12. 7-12 Count is more than enough for content outside of MD. Id that can consistently 99 stacks stats on either potency or count outside MD will make the game unbalanced and powercreep past or future.
I used bloodion... She is snowball id.. she is strong even in early turn especially if you roll her s2 skill... Some easy clash especially for barber outis.. also her buffed s3 is extremely nuts AoE.
What's with the count? Its bleed, there is a lot ids that stack count pretty easily, like rhino meursault or kuromoko ryoshu(they even have good ego to pair with). They do not do damage by themselves, but sustain bleed better. A fair trade off in my book.
yep also they CANT GIVE BLEED too much count as bleed is a very abusive mechanic the only thing stopping it from shredding is its limits(with sanguine basically being the cheatcode if you can pay its cost)
with the direction the balance is going, going off the statement of "we want players to be okay with losing sinners" I ain't using fell bum and going into a downward spiral of losing sinners
bloodfinds focus on bloodfeast than actual bleed so they dont care whho gets the bleed stacks its clearly the game plan to get as much bloodfeast not bleed and the use skills that consume it to do damage
I feel the bloodfiends IDs accomplish the issue with over obssessing over status counts inherently. I wish rupture got this same treatment. Because not only does procing bleed still do damage, it also buffs and fuels their Bloodfeast. So even if you were to lose the count, it doesn't feel bad. Unlike Rupture, where losing count means losing everything for those ID. So all this whining over count feels unawarranted and an overreaction on a particular aspect when I feel these IDs kits thrive everywhere else spectacularly. Not to mention count exists for bleed plenty in other IDs.
i could be wrong ok, but i got all bloodfiend 3 family and i start recently close to 2week.. before bloodfiend rodyn is up the made rate up for her..and now we got mersault could it be next is him? i mean i could be wrong..if it true im so stupid for shard s5 of him instead these...if it true its him.
I think that the bloodfiend is not bleed character but more of unga bunga character that use bleed. In zzz term they're more of a bleed attributes attacker and not anomaly character?
In my opinion, your expectations were just way too high and your gripe about Bleed count isn't actually a problem. I run a Bleed team for my luxcavations mostly everyday, and I genuinely cannot see where you get this problem of Bleed Count being low or not existing in the first place. I do not struggle with Bleed Count even without using Sanguine Desire, so I am confused where your perspective is. Love your reviews btw, was just a bit confused.
idk if i'm playing gregor wrong now, you said she's slow but when i was doing luxcavations after getting her I got her final skill most times and never got gregors. He always staggered early and couldn't catch back up and by the time he was close both her's and outis' enhanced skill 3s would finish off the remaining people
That's the point of playing Gregor. He doesn't consume bloodfeast early therefore he scales much later than the other two Bloodfiends. He IS intended to suffer for Outis and Rodya.
you inflict additional bleed and bleed count at higher tiers of blooming thorn, the same is with rupture update: wow it doesn't, it just makes coins that inflict bleed count inflict bleed, still sanguine is right here, so I can't see any problem with that
I usually am a fan of your unit analysis but I think you set your expectations way too high for dulcinea rodion Yeah the boss has absurd count but its also a boss If bleed could consistently remain positive with count using the kind of absurd numbers you wanted then bleed would basically become the best status effect by a very large margin and break the game and though I don't like that its locked behind walpurgis, sanguine desire exists if you want to go crazy and preserve bleed That being said, I would have preferred some more rupture count as the comp you run her on mostly focuses on bleed and the rupture is basically nonexistent the hybrid comp isn't really there yet Here's hoping the don id makes the rupture bleed hybrid comp more real
I boxed her, tried mdh (without reading what she does) and i think i never saw enhanced attack even once (also regular s3 grinder is not aoe, unlike boss version). I guess fights are too fast in md and it's not worth to spam counter on her.
Ring Outis Ring Yi-Sang NFaust RMersault KKRyo HookHongLu There are a lot of options for applying Bleed Count; 2 of which are 00s, which are prolly the best at it (Though 1 is Walpipi).
@@boxtupos7718 besides that N-DON. iirc has 4 nalls aswell. and n-heath on support for the extra nail(or on field isnt that bad if you want to screw up enemy coin rolls)
Sancho ID should have sinking deluge for bleed as her boss version(blood deluge sounds good) on her empowered S3/S4, and also have a lot of count. Its really gonna make bleed OP if its turns out like that.
But... bleed doesn't need saving though? If you've used a proper bleed team even with all 3 bloodfiends bleed count is super easy to manage unless your just bad at doing it
Bruhh if focused encounter it feasible to maintain bleed (I am not stupid),but in normal fight it almost impossible to maintain bleed unless you use EGO just compared to other status effects
No way you said they're too niche when they have egos like contempt and sanguine that has so many potency and count, their only weakness is status cleanse lmao. Now if you said too expensive then I would agree with you (5 WAW egos)
what is this yap 💀. they are very op and just because you ignore everything else besides the bleed count like this youtuber ,doesnt mean the ids are bad
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As expected
Due to the existence of sanguine desire, her count won't be that much in order to balance out the bleed count prevention.
I mean even in the best scenario we would only be getting 2/2(3) count on her skills instead of 2/1(2) that we have now. Her application is decent.
I do feel like as soon as bleed can easily go count positive it becomes the strongest status effect.
@@fatcat2015I think that would go for rupture.
@@projectmoonsleeperagentyeah, but that's never happening lol
i really don't think we'll get a bloodbag ID for any sinner. the game expresses that bloodbags are no different from corpses - they don't even have sanity. wouldn't make any sense for anybody to get one
bloodbag Ishmael
@ dude
A non sanity id would be rreally interesting ngl. Maybe it would cost hp for ego usage.
@ don't see it happening. i think it would be really weird to use mirror technology to summon a dead body
@@richardomilos8686you're stuck at 0 sanity, so unless the coin rolls is a range like in ruina it wouldnt really work imo
You thought she was going to have SIX bleed count?? No wonder you were disappointed lmao.
Seriously though I like that they seem to be committed to keeping 00s relevant by making them the count appliers for statuses.
00 id enjoyer
I mean Rhino Muersault has 6 count on S3 and Hook Hong Lu can have up to 4 on S2 I feel like 6 count on the vampire princess Id is a perfectly reasonable ask
@@Radiance_Buer
Bruh, said vampire queen gives 4 attack power up unconditionally, ramps bleed potency, good overall clashing and base damage, a clashable counter that also helps ramp blood feast and shuts down enemy bleed. perfectly fuels Hex Nail, almost perfectly fuels Sanguine Desire. If Ring Sang didn’t exist she’d be the best bleed ID ever released even with her current application.
@@marakrofitcac3425 I never said she wasn't good I just wish she had a little bit more innate count considering how much of it previous IDs have
@@Radiance_Buer we have IDs that specialize in count. She does not need it
Everyone asking for a bleed count savior as if Sanguine Desire wasn’t made for that exact purpose.
Can feel the unreliability of bleed count in the recent Canto bosses, 1 skipped their stagger turn through cutscenes and 1 just has bazillions unbreakable coins (either take full damage or clash wins and they spend bleed count too fast through retialiation). Not even 15+ bleed count is enough when my Rodion got staggered and unable to use Sanguine.
@@Jacklin222 Skill issue, honestly
@@Jacklin222 stagger counters literally everyone in the game
90% of the game is MD anyways
Issue it, SD was made for WNights. And not everyone horded Lunacy for it, some either skipped that or just got unlucky with financing.
About "Gregor and Outis will absorb blood", they cannot absorb blood until a vampire of a higher rank drinks blood first, it is written in the description of blood feast
yep
This is a long vid so I'm not entirely sure about the context, but this bloodfeast rank rule currently never stops anyone from consuming bloodfeast. Rodion's skill 1 and 2 trigger on combat start while the other two do it on their turn, so she will always do it first regardless. And if she uses anything other than s1 and 2, she isn't counted for this turn, so she doesn't block them off.
thats how it should be yeah mi guessing this would be more a problem if it was on USE SKILLS its good to know that combat start wont get in outis way
@@poodlep.9719mainly because both outis and gregor are both 3rd kindred i think so it just doesnt apply but rodion is higher so it has use now
I think you are looking at the ids from the wrong angle. They don't really care all that much about count only that 30-50 bleed damage is dealt every turn across every combatant (enemies and allies) to be added into the resource pool to empower their abilities. If they made it easy to stack bleed to 99/99 outside of MD those encounters would absolutely suck for every other id except bleed because they would have to compensate and buff those enemies HP to absurd amount to account for thousands of damage from coin flipping on the enemies. Bloodfeast is the resource pool for these ids and it really does create a new bleed archetype that isn't reliant on count while caring a lot about potency so they can get access to enough resource in the pool for the next turn. They are really well designed ids following the new design philosophy for chain battles where they will be able to ramp up.
This is it exactly, not every status is meant to be stacked to 99, or like the recent sinking ids they are making ids that give an alternate win con - lament vs spicebush. raw damage and clash vs pure status application. Wild hunt heath, Edgar Gregor and lament all lean into damage like the bloodfiends while spice and boat ish are application maxing like the older bleeds, n Faust kurokuma ryo ect
i think you're underestimating the attack buffs due to seeing it at max ramp up when i think the intent is to get some of the bloodfiends off the ground at the beginning of the fight as early on they can roll low but i am fairly new so this could just be an incorrect notion
no youre right, using rodion s2 at start makes outis s1 roll from 11 to 13 and her s2 from 16 to 18. when you dont have bleed conditionals completed at the start this is very big, saved my ass sometimes. its even more if you gave her 2 slots, you can gain and give up to 4 attack power up. I actually didnt think they would be this generous with power up, I thought it would be capped at 2 but its 4.
i have all 3 ids and i like seeing big damage and the 3 ids allow me to do that, so im happy lol
Moo pepega moment: I don’t care about attack power up. ah yes let’s ignore more damage that u can get by raising 2 more final power which just dosnt mean only better clashing (that’s clash power buff u thinking that only gives better clashing) it also means more damage (looks at rodya rolling 26 skill 2)
Also AFAIK [On Use] works at clash start or at unopposed attack start. Defensive skills which aren't clashed never get their on use effects. It happens during the combat phase after the combat start, so there's no danger of Rodya not drinking blood.
Was just about to say the same thing. Attack power up is so good especially a total of 4 attack power if both rodion and another bloodfiend in on stage. Its the strongest part about her kit rn but moo moo pepega'd.
He is too focused on the blood count, that he completely undervalues almost everything in that ID
You can use bl yi sang with fellbullet to roll 36 on second coin, which just makes it even stronger and genuinely make it very powerful
Also, bleed count is really not a big problem, ring yi sang can just spin to win 3 bleed count on s2 more often than not, and R meursault inflicts like a bajillion bleed count
@@oofink467not to mention sanguine desire.
That would also be interesting in a bl team to activate meursault’s second passive
@@skybox6656I literally just got Blade Lineage Meursault earlier today because I wanted to build a Blade Lineage Team.
Now if I am going to build one I am going to need around two months.
Every two weeks I typically get around 190-230 Ego Shards.
I am missing every Blade Lineage except Meursault and Outis. I already know Outis isn’t the best but I have good egos for her.
Fell Sang: "Friendly" fire is necessary.
Rodion: "You want me. Carnally. Now come gacha for me manager~"
"Nah, I'd shard."
@@frozenser.2356 no senguine desire? (This comment doesnt apply if you actually already had it before)
sancho will save the bleed count surely just have to wait 3 more months or somethin
SANCHO, SAVE THE BLEED SOCIETY!!!
this man is right, keep investing in bleed stock. it will be worth it trust
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@khanhnguyenDK
Oh dear god, not a another one gay vampire
@@shinexl8079 Bleed count has already been saved by the Ring IDs though; Ring IDs + Hook Hong-Lu or R Mersault, should give you more than enough bleed count. There's also nails from NFaust, it's not much, but still Bleed count at the start of the turn, makig it alteast Count Neutral.
What they needed the most was potency generation; Which was also saved by both Sanguine Desire and REP Ryoshu.
She wasn't the bleed ID we wanted, but the one we deserved. Thank you, Limbus Company and the entire r34 of this one character.
Why are yall all so down bad?! I cant i have one non horny community?! (To be fair it was horny before) But let me enjoy my peak in peace please.
The whole scenario you described with the Bloodfeast will not happen. Outis and Gregor cannot drop a single blood before Rodion drinks. She will accumulate stacks just fine, IMHO.
She feels so comfy and rewarding to play with her two children. I like very much all of her buffs and the blooming thorn mechanic. The only part i dont like is how her counter doesn't have any conditionals. Man at least make it roll as much as her s1.
Also the bleed count whining is annoying at this point. Just use r corp sault and trigger the reuses of ringsang and ringoutis.
You can use N Faust instead of Ring Outis so you can have the whole family plus Whistle and Nails which everyone will love, specially Ring Yi Sang and Hex Nail Faust passive
@BebeYoshi I have Nfaust but she is forever benched because of her good passive and horrible clashes. Oh yeah, I use the whole family atm alongside Ringsang and Kuro Ryo(I didn't get Red Eyes last walpnight so I will shard her next time + sanguine desire).
@@astradalmI think it’s worth having nfaust on the field because her already amazing support can be so much better.
@@Whurrythe same argument applies though the only real benefit of nfaust's passive is 15sp being given to 2 allies as opposed to only one if you bench her, the current bleed team doesn't really have a huge sanity gain problem especially in drawn out fights
@@Whurry true but it's already good enough benched. besides 3 lust res is much more easier than 4 lust red
I don't get the obsession with bleed count. Her S2 alone makes her S tier, also focusing more on blooming thorns over attack power up? Really? A 2 attack power up for you and another ally on turn 1 is negligable especially on outis which has a lot of coins on her skills? From what I experience too, she doesn't really need bloodfeast that much so her giving it to others more is actually great. This is maybe your most "Huh?" analysis of an id, I disagree with most of your review of DulciRodion.
id disagree as the truth is others CANT GET BLOODFEAST until she does its the rule of the ascending order. but her supporting others i do agree is great. honestly...i do feel you on the huh REALLY moment.
@caellanmurphy4751 that rule has been completely misunderstood i believe. It only matters if there isn't enough bloodfeast, then higher kindreds have priority.
@@caellanmurphy4751the order doesn’t matter since Rodion is on [Combat Start]while the other two is on [On Use] she will be first no matter what it’s just the matter of will there be enough for everyone
@@caellanmurphy4751 me when I don't read
@@caellanmurphy4751 not how it works pookie....
Bleed count is a non problem we have:
Rmeursault +2 s2 and +6 s3 with 2 skills
RinSang +3 s2 without procs on bleed again with 1 proc on bleed is +6
Nfaust with nails giving every turn 2-4 count
Wait don't Nails give Potency
@@noahi.1381 No
@@noahi.1381 nope they give a fixed 1 potency at turn start and the same value for count but halves every turn, so s2 and s3 basically gives 2 count start of next turn for the first use and u can snowball it to 4 per turn start.
makes sense though. she's a princess, not a countess after all
its either the bloodfiends gonna be like what we saw in the story craving for blood even stoop as low as pathetically licking the blood drops from the ground (like us scavenging for the bleed counts and bloodfeast frfr), or they raise the bar for don's kit so high we gonna witness another ring yi sang 🗣🗣
Bleed count can be reliably be kept up already if you know what you're doing. The damage the trio deals together along with other bleed ids is already amazing, you clearly have not explored how they work.
Do they work well in MD now? Beforehand Ring Outis was still preferred in a Bleed team over Barber.
@poposao1 barber does insane damage compared to ring, especially in mass aoe encounters, which is all MD is. And now, with all the bloodfiends buffed by confetti, I just did a run and basically ran over everything without thinking.
@@poposao1In MD 100% just run Barber, Bleed Count is not a problem in MD; You literally only need 1 EGO Gift, and it's a starter EGO lol.
The don id will get is Sancho
She mentions Sancho in her uptie story and how Sancho agreed with their plan
so don sancho and something like DQ meursault i guess? maybe it's heavy cope but i still belive he will get something since he has that one WAW E.G.O
@@ramdomguymakingramdomcomme6853 Meursaults Mircalla doesn't have bloodfeast though, like Donqui's does.
@@jona5755 haven't used either yet so i had no idea lol. then again if we do not get anything else for brother salt, Rcorp will do the job just fine...
but DQ meursault would go hard
@@ramdomguymakingramdomcomme6853
Imo doesnt fit meursault and also its a first kindred so idk
@@makovader2124 don't have much to argue with the first kindred tbh lol
although i'd say a pierced DQ who resigns himself to be judged and basically sentenced to suffering by a multitude sounds right up Meursault's alley imo
but you're right that it's probably a bit too early or even just too much for us right now to get a second kindred even if weakened
Honestly, I don´t get why everyone is so obssed with count. MD -> non issue does not matter. Normal/Story does not require much count to clear and its just a nice extra dmg to already strong IDs. Its clear they don´t want you to just stack infinite count be it rupture/bleed/sinking to 99 for free and instantclear any story content.
plus, sanguine desire exist. single part bosses will enjoy having to deal with sanguine desire lol.
people acting like sanguine desire, r corp meursalt, and ring outis doesn't exist
@@shenshiya9474 and ringsang
@@shenshiya9474 you should use barber outis instead of ring outis just for bloodfiend team reasons- but ring yi sang exists
@@shenshiya9474how about to use Sanguine Desire from the start?
She's really good for buffing her bloodfiend teammates and they can deal a lot of damage and clash so much better
I really wished they made her thorns act like Dulcinea thorns also that gives the enemy double bleed count for every hit
We're slowly becoming more like bloodfiends, we want BLOOD
We don't need more blood count, because we can just go one sided attack lmao. + obviously Sanguine Desire exists.
Is there any point of getting bleed count? I mean, bloodfiend consume bleed to get stronger like atk weight, defense, etc. If we getting skill that having many bleed count, isn't that gonna be broken? like 2-3 round boss kill (not counting MD) and what's the point of making bloodfiend gimmick if we can make enemy k*ll em self?. I just don't understand why ppl want bleed count so down bad. No offense, i'm just curious...
because that's the whole point of bleed, For every status actually, to sustain and use bleed to chip away the enemie's hp, While i do not use a bleed team. Or any non-selfish status i can see what pm is going for, either a team that buffes itself by consuming bleed or an alternate team which... You know, does what bleed is supossed to and stacks it, On a side note. Rodya self fuels sanguine desire which is an already good status EGO, It is completely understandable that pm didn't add much count on her
people acting like 00 ids doesnt exist and their whole porpuse is just giving count
Because people forget that bleed count is already in a really good position because they haven't used a bleed team. Bleed count is easy to build and manage atm
I feel like Rodya is pretty much confirmation of the pattern for Bloodfiends; with how their bonus coin power conditional activates on use (so it doesn’t lower even after bleed disappears), the focus with them seems to primarily be set in Bloodfeast as a resource. Like a slower charge, but one that allows for stronger effects than what charge characters currently have. Plus, in the case of Princess Rodya’s S3 and Don’s Yearning-Mircalla, they actually get stronger according to the total Bloodfeast the character has eaten up. So rather than focusing on bleed as a status for damage, Bloodfiends so far feel more like a charge/poise team, and I imagine Don’s eventual ID will follow this pattern.
Outis has a strong AoE, but she mostly feels like a fodder clearer or just damage support with her Sewing Target once a bleed stack has been properly set up on a single target. Rodya and Gregor have their nukes, but until they get charged up enough for it, they’re both mostly just support. Don will probably be the true DPS of the La Mancha crew, and I imagine she’ll be even crazier than Wild Hunt Heathcliff. Considering she betrayed Quixote, I wouldn’t be surprised if she had a negative SP skill in the same style as WH Heathcliff too, or maybe Dawn Sinclair’s Blazing Strike, especially since her Yearning-Mircalla can help her recover SP. Since it would have been made with the intention of some synergy with Don’s seasonal ID, beyond just the Bloodfeast stuff, I’m guessing its passive is also meant to contribute to her play style.
I see Booba I pull - Archimedes
[Shards her]
Foolishness, fellow Manager, Foolishness...
You cannot control power of MD grind
Have you... actually played a Bleed team...
Like seriously, are you seriously thinking that bleed team is running into Count problems. This problem died off the moment Ring Outis became a thing.
And before we discuss about the opportunity cost that comes with bringing Barber Outis instead, let me mention that we intend to attain bleed potency more than count in order to grab as much bloodfeast within 1 turn as humanly possible. In moments we do need more count, we always have Rhino Sault, Ring Sang, Hook Lu, or Nfaust to come in clutch when we need to (game straight up recommends we bring Rhino anyway because Mircalla exists).
And even if we have to have this kinda argument, Sanguine exists.
Like dude, their is so many things that makes this ID so ridiculously strong: Her small bloodfeast spending, the thorns effect being incredible at stacking potency, her S2 applying up to FOUR POWER UP!!! Like the last thing I would think about is how much count she applies by herself and even then, she is more than fine (2, 1, 2 count is not bad in a bleed team whatsoever).
It's like captain Ish all over again. "she can't even fulfill her own S3 conditional" like my guy she applies 4 ATK up on s2 and has additional attacks who cares about her own bleed, plus there's like 6 id slots and if you have trouble with keeping up statuses even with 6 slots then that's an honest skill issue at that point.
I'm convinced anyone who thinks bleed count is the no. 1 thing that new bleed ids need to have to "save" bleed have never actually used a bleed team
what is their problem with count bro
Nothing. They can see bleed count is already super manageable even without sanguine desire if you know what your doing so their not worrying about count as much
Is this the prettiest ID so far?
Bloodfiends aren't here to save bleed as a general status, might as well treat it as a separate team to regular bleed. Just need more pieces of the bloodfiend puzzle.
fuck, the amount of whiners who don't care about anything but COUNT is just irritating, rupture bros have at least a semblance of reason, and bloodfiends aren't even about just bleed, they are about self-empowering while using bleed as a source, go play with artist yi sang and outis, and don't impose your one dimensional ideas on everything that has the keyword in their kit, the game and mechanics are expanding, and so are the archetypes, if you can't see the gold, check the oculist.
If you think that it's a rage bait, so be it. I'm just fed up seeing the same whining over and over and over and over again about everything that doesn't give limbillion damage in a most boring and disengaging way
Anni announcement surely Sancho ID and UT5 will save us bleed lovers
Bleed Count!! Bleed Count!! Bleed Count!! Bleed Count!! Bleed Count!!
Ring Sang, NFaust, RMeur, and Kuro Ryo: Seems like he forgot we exist.
If you can't stack up the bleed count with these IDs, it's pretty much a skill issue at this point.
I mean you'd likely want to use the other bloodfiend id's to fuel the thorns and assuming the Seasonal Don id also works along with the bloodfiends you'd have 2 slots left which makes it a bit difficult to build up count.
@@thomaspau211 simply. middle don and NFaust. stack your one limbillion bleed on turn two and win
Im using trio, ringsang, kurokumo ryo, nfaust and didnt have any bleed count problems, I tried it on a mdh run which I didnt get any bleed ego gifts. sometimes I didnt include nfaust on the bosses and went in with 5 sinners to give the extra slot to priest gregor or rodion, rodion for extra buffs and extra bleed count and priest gregor for bloodfeast ramp up speed and extra bleed count. used 1 sanguine desire every boss and sometimes I had to do one sided attacks while ignoring low hitting ones to keep up the bleed count but its how bleed plays, you have to prepare yourself for hits, even the trio have healing in their kits and rodion giving everyone thorns is just cherry on top, so not much problem. what sucks is if the boss' part is breakable and you built the bleed on there it just becomes useless. I want sancho to come fast and replace nfaust for this team, the nails status and gaze is great but she rolls 11-16-12 man, extra slot is always more worth it if you dont do human fights and do encounter fights
@@thomaspau211 This is the key point...these IDs that give count will lose their slots to more BF IDs. I'm seeing BF team a separate entity to regular bleed at this point, more of a unique charge mechanic than actively caring about bleed as a status. I think full bloodfiend team will work well, but we're just getting the puzzle pieces one at a time
Since when did middle Don have count?
I really do not get the obsession with bleed count people are having, bleed count is in a good position. Like has anyone who wants bleed count ran a bleed team?
Bleed has been one of, if not my most used teams and I have a LOT of teams. I can say this with confidence, if you know what your doing bleed count is rarely a problem, there are few enemies that make bleed count actually hard to build/manage. And not even because sanguine desire btw. I've not used sanguine desire in months until now, and even now I'm not using it for count, I'm using it to combo with meursalt's mircalla ego. Because bleed count is NOT THAT DAMN HARD if you actually think, to the point you don't even need Sanguine desire for building or maintaining count with the exception of a few enemies.
Also seriously I swear this man was so disappointed by the lack of bleed count he ignored what makes the id good. There's only 1 disappointment here and it's not the id. It's the analysis of her that's disappointing
Fr. With so many of his "analyses" he just outright ignores like 90% of the ID and hones in on one tiny little thing that 9 times out of 10 isn't even an issue
@@WendigoTS i Will Just say This: Rosette Desire + yearning-mircalla meursalt funny rose effect = 38 bleed potency, no count Lost and on top of that a free stagger só i can build UP EVEN more bleed count ( Also people ARE ignoring her hex nail effect + Rosette Desire with her blooming thorns, i kid you not, The bleed potency IS wild).
@@quemteperguntou4412 and with the other two bloodfiends stacking count, the potency is insane. Even without count, more than enough bloodfeast is being generated :D
youre trolling right there is no way you are serious about that bleed count part
Rodion is perfectly fine as is, Sanguine Desire exists.
Honestly, Rodya makes the idea of cutting N Faust not completely insane tbh. She has Festive Fever to replace Gaze (well as long as you do a big Lust chain which is trivial in the current Bleed team), much better rolls overall, she can heal while Priest Gregor and N Faust bench passive still help the SP generation side, and she also has Hex Nail for even more healing. As we get more and more Bloodfiends her stack generation is also gonna become a lot faster which will help her get to her enhanced s3 a lot sooner
Kinda sad her s1 is just inferior to the counter in any way since counter gives 4 thorns and also will have a huge defense level boost thanks to thorns, but oh well it is what it is. At least you don't need that much Pride
The finale is called *THE FINALE* for a reason
Not going to lie... An L review. You are underestimating the heck out of BF Rodion.
Rhino mersault does do 5-6 bleed count, yi ponti has crazy ramp up, kurokomo ryoshu’s passive gives a addition +1 bleed, and and N faust has her nails. On top of both of rodion and mersault’s bleed ego.
Princess having +5 bleed would have been overkill, especially due to these ids using bleed more like charge (or more aptly coffin) rather than their raw means of damage.
Tbh, I'm okay with her being more on the supportive side. There hasn't been much in that way in the ID roster like ever, almost. My issue with bleed rn, is:
1. Almost everything dies before you can get a good amount on enemies
2. Fights are too short for bloodfiends to apply bleed, drink the bloodfeast, and then level up from them
But yeah, maybe those will get resolved with more chain battles on the way? Regardless, having an archetype be almost completely reliant on ONE season of IDs is kind of insane (if the rest of the bloodfiend IDs pan out well this season). The Sancho ID will most likely be the main DPS/sub DPS, next to whoever gets the Don Quixote ID (If the DQ ID doesn't exist, Sancho probably will be main DPS next to Outis). If we cope hard enough, KJH might reveal something big on the livestream in the coming weeks, after all the anniversary is coming up, as well.
I wonder if you can mix fell bullet yi sang with deyvat rodia, swapping into underleveled units to kill off and then bring her back
I am so scared of Yi Sang sanity hitting-45 and killing my whole team with Fell Bullet.
Cassetti SInclair will save bleed count.
Yeah, bleed count isn't the priority for these bloodfiend IDs, they revolve around blood feast. I mean, R Meursalt, RingSang and K.Ryoshu still exists for bleed count but it'll be nice if Sancho can at least get count positive.
well technically if the enemy only have 1 coins, shes already count positive.
@Mikairium Funny you mentioned that. How many enemies in the game do you think have only 1 coin in most of their skills?
the sanguine desire in question:
Feels kinda crappy relying on senguine desire doe, also who on earth uses K.K ryo when you have R.E.P. ryo available?
@@-mene .....those that like having a lot of bleed count to stack bleed with for the team and aren't planning on R.E.P Ryoshu being the main carry of the team?
Geniune Question but do you actually play about with bleed teams? Since this seems like an outdated echo chamber.
It feels like you're conflating Count with being good now, when we have other IDs (HookLu and RSault) for that, and Sanguine to stop it from dropping.
Bleed hasn't been struggling since last season, and none of the statuses are lacking, Rupture only needs 1/2 IDs to spice it up; and a personal want for a blunt Poise ID, but it's mainly having options/variation now.
00 Bleed IDs are where the count is at RingTis and HookLu are best Bleed count generator; RMer is good, but pales in comparisson to both.
Rodion already had access to the best Bleed EGO in the game; If she also applied a ton of Count, what's the point of having the 00 Bleed IDs?
More importantly she mostly works best with other BFs.
How do you run both Ring Outis and Bloodfiend Outis at the same time 🤔
@Commission_ I never said to run both
MD go wild, wring BF Outis, Bleed literally only needs the starter EGO Gifts; Outside of it, you're going to want Ring Outis' S2.
BF Rodion+BF Gregor is already a good ramping combo
@@boxtupos7718
Barber Outis’ superior clashing, damage, and self healing makes her the better choice outside of MD, especially with Princess Rodiya on the field since she’ll always be the one to get the attack power up from Princess’s skill 2. Bleed count doesn’t mean much if you can’t inflict it in the first place, good luck trying to do RR4 envy pecatulums with Ring Outis’ mediocre numbers.
@@marakrofitcac3425 Except Clashing and Damage is not what a Bleed Team needs.
The team literally has RingSang and REPRyo; You only need the other 2 BF, because by their design they need to ramp up, having 3 makes the team really slow.
You can run BarberTis, but again, you will lose out on the best Bleed Count generator. Even then right off the jump RingTis deals more damage than BarberTis; Simply because of how easy to hit the rerolls on her S2.
A pure BF team is different from a Bleed tean, and Bleed team with both Ring IDs is just better RN. For Bloodfeast stacking you only really need Priest Gregor, and have him and Princess Rodya be your ramping ids.
Yall need to stfu about Count like Ring Yi Sang doesn't apply anywhere between 3 count at minimum and 12 count at maximum on his S2, and 3 count at minimum and 6 count at maximum on his S3. R Meursault applies 2-4 count on his S2 and 6 count on his S3. NFaust with two uses of her S2 applies a base total of 4 count which just keeps ramping up every turn the more Nails she stacks (esp with N Heath's passive). Hell, if you're STILL desperate, you can bring KK Ryoshu, who applies +3 count on her S2 and S3.
Bleed Count is the most blown-out-of-proportion skill issue I've ever seen. I consistently run Bleed against Nelly who has 6 skill slots, high speed and basically all 3-coin skills, and you can still build Bleed Count against her easily. Once you use R Meursault's S3 once you basically shouldn't have any issues with count management and if you do idk what to tell you except to get good, because Bleed has the single most number of IDs out of any status effect and like 50% of them apply plenty of count.
THIS but honestly this is rodya he has sanguine desire. a LUST HEAVY E.G.O. and generally is what youd mostly need in the 1st place. we had 1 overbusted unit with ringsang they aint making that mistake twice. in my eyes BLEED really does not need saving. RUPTURE does not bleed by a longshot honestly i feel BURN is worse off than most of the other statuses(excluding rupture)
@@caellanmurphy4751sorry to bother but what should i do for a bleed team?
@@x3dwany371 Depends on what you have honestly
Princess Rodya is really good as a slot 1 candidate; Other choice is the GOD ID of Limbus Company, Ring Pointilist Yi-Sang.
Priest Gregor helps ramp Bloodfeast really fast, and is a really good tank by himself
REP Ryoshu, arguably top 2 ID in the game; Tanky (You're trolling if she dies; Gains shield and can heal), clashes insane (With enough Charge), deals insane damage, and a lot of bleed Potency generation.
Ring Outis and Yi-Sang, R Mersault, and Hook Hong-Lu (Walpipi) are your main Bleed count generator, best to bring atleast 2 or 3 of these IDs (Ring Outis generates the best; And is just an 00 ID).
NFaust is also really good in both the bench or field; Lust resonance gives a 15 SP (If she's benched), and 2 IDs if she's on the field. Also she's the best enabler for the Ring IDs insane rerolls. Also fucking Fluid sac (If you field her).
@@boxtupos7718 I got ring sang and REP ryoshu both maxed excluding ego, got r meur not maxed, I do have priest Greg so I think I’ll just grab n Faust and max out ring outis for now and slap ahab on there
Some people be overexaggerating on bleed count number where there's a lot of id in the game that deliver the job well. Majority of us already got or shard NFaust and you can get her for free if you're a new player. Ringsang is a must in a bleed team right now do how broken he is and suprise, he actually give 3 counts on his S2 not counting the reuse. There's also other id mentioned here in the comment for cheaper alternative. For ego you can try to gacha or shard sanguine desire later on walpurgist.
To proof this i actually ran trio la manchaland(Didn't have sanguine desire on Rodya), N faust, Ring sang and either TT hong lu/Red eyes Ryoshu on Nelly story fight, luxca lamp and exp. Luxca exp got a bit problem since you can't focus on certain enemies but the count is okay on exp imo (like 15-20/2-3 bleed per enemy). Luxca lamp and Nelly got a big results with bleed around 40-50/7-12. 7-12 Count is more than enough for content outside of MD. Id that can consistently 99 stacks stats on either potency or count outside MD will make the game unbalanced and powercreep past or future.
I used bloodion... She is snowball id.. she is strong even in early turn especially if you roll her s2 skill... Some easy clash especially for barber outis.. also her buffed s3 is extremely nuts AoE.
My big question is if we will even get a Das Quixote ID
I think it’s gonna be another Farmwatch thing where the final boss won’t have an ID
When we get units that revive themselves Yi Sang's ego will get crazy
Dulcinea Rhodion Perfectly Fuels that EGO.
Well except for the ONE WRATH RESOURCE!
Trust in Sancho. She will be the savior of bleed!
R Corp meursault may have his tank role already filled but he’s good for bleed count
What's with the count? Its bleed, there is a lot ids that stack count pretty easily, like rhino meursault or kuromoko ryoshu(they even have good ego to pair with). They do not do damage by themselves, but sustain bleed better. A fair trade off in my book.
yep also they CANT GIVE BLEED too much count as bleed is a very abusive mechanic the only thing stopping it from shredding is its limits(with sanguine basically being the cheatcode if you can pay its cost)
Excellent, just Sancho Don quixote now and my vampire team is complete
with the direction the balance is going, going off the statement of "we want players to be okay with losing sinners" I ain't using fell bum and going into a downward spiral of losing sinners
what is bro on 😭 these videos lately have been actual insane ramblings calm down
Does Rodion require uptie 4?
Not necessarily, but boy does it help.
Not really but it is very nice to have
I think it would be funnier/cooler if Mersault gets a Don Quixote ID, while our Don gets Sancho
WE NOT GONNA SAVE RUPTURE WITH THIS ONE 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Rupture doesn't need saving honestly
bloodfinds focus on bloodfeast than actual bleed so they dont care whho gets the bleed stacks its clearly the game plan to get as much bloodfeast not bleed and the use skills that consume it to do damage
I feel the bloodfiends IDs accomplish the issue with over obssessing over status counts inherently. I wish rupture got this same treatment.
Because not only does procing bleed still do damage, it also buffs and fuels their Bloodfeast. So even if you were to lose the count, it doesn't feel bad. Unlike Rupture, where losing count means losing everything for those ID. So all this whining over count feels unawarranted and an overreaction on a particular aspect when I feel these IDs kits thrive everywhere else spectacularly.
Not to mention count exists for bleed plenty in other IDs.
i could be wrong ok, but i got all bloodfiend 3 family and i start recently close to 2week..
before bloodfiend rodyn is up the made rate up for her..and now we got mersault could it be next is him? i mean i could be wrong..if it true im so stupid for shard s5 of him instead these...if it true its him.
mersault already have id right at the beginning of this season
@huyle-ob8rg yah, but he got rate up so i was so scared 😂 what "if" becouse i already preper don, rodyn and mersault...
I think that the bloodfiend is not bleed character but more of unga bunga character that use bleed.
In zzz term they're more of a bleed attributes attacker and not anomaly character?
In my opinion, your expectations were just way too high and your gripe about Bleed count isn't actually a problem.
I run a Bleed team for my luxcavations mostly everyday, and I genuinely cannot see where you get this problem of Bleed Count being low or not existing in the first place. I do not struggle with Bleed Count even without using Sanguine Desire, so I am confused where your perspective is.
Love your reviews btw, was just a bit confused.
idk if i'm playing gregor wrong now, you said she's slow but when i was doing luxcavations after getting her I got her final skill most times and never got gregors. He always staggered early and couldn't catch back up and by the time he was close both her's and outis' enhanced skill 3s would finish off the remaining people
That's the point of playing Gregor. He doesn't consume bloodfeast early therefore he scales much later than the other two Bloodfiends. He IS intended to suffer for Outis and Rodya.
@@astradalm ah
17:47 yeah
I think they meant rupture count savior
you inflict additional bleed and bleed count at higher tiers of blooming thorn, the same is with rupture
update: wow it doesn't, it just makes coins that inflict bleed count inflict bleed, still sanguine is right here, so I can't see any problem with that
Dude is mad she isn't another ring Yi Sang.
I usually am a fan of your unit analysis but I think you set your expectations way too high for dulcinea rodion
Yeah the boss has absurd count but its also a boss
If bleed could consistently remain positive with count using the kind of absurd numbers you wanted then bleed would basically become the best status effect by a very large margin and break the game
and though I don't like that its locked behind walpurgis, sanguine desire exists if you want to go crazy and preserve bleed
That being said, I would have preferred some more rupture count as the comp you run her on mostly focuses on bleed and the rupture is basically nonexistent the hybrid comp isn't really there yet
Here's hoping the don id makes the rupture bleed hybrid comp more real
Also saying 'very supporty for some reason' as if that wasn't her role in the la manchaland trio fight
still waiting on casetti
Sancho ID will inflict 10 counts of bleed trust
I boxed her, tried mdh (without reading what she does) and i think i never saw enhanced attack even once (also regular s3 grinder is not aoe, unlike boss version). I guess fights are too fast in md and it's not worth to spam counter on her.
It happens with all Bloodfiends to be fair. If you have bloody mist the fight is already over before you can stack their buffs.
Wait for Rusted chain Mersault in Walpurgis night
Maybe we will get mersault castelvinia collab.
Cassetti slander is insane😭
look like PM is cooking something and they been holding back about give ID a lot of count for now, for me it still fine I have no problem.
Huh i thought the higher kindred drinks blood first
They do. She drinks on combat start, outis and greg drink on skill use. I imagine Don's id will be similar in how she consumes blood
sancho will save bleed i know she will
2 ID to go Sancho and Don Quixote.
There is way to fix her bloodfiest problem. Use ring Outis. She is also good
Ring Outis
Ring Yi-Sang
NFaust
RMersault
KKRyo
HookHongLu
There are a lot of options for applying Bleed Count; 2 of which are 00s, which are prolly the best at it (Though 1 is Walpipi).
bloodfeast isnt a problem though? dulc and priest use it first no matter what , and barber outis is just cooler so use other ids instead
@@boxtupos7718 besides that N-DON. iirc has 4 nalls aswell. and n-heath on support for the extra nail(or on field isnt that bad if you want to screw up enemy coin rolls)
The only way I see them saving bleed is if Sancho give a ton bleed count and have ability to to trigger the bleed for bloodfest generation.
Sancho ID should have sinking deluge for bleed as her boss version(blood deluge sounds good) on her empowered S3/S4, and also have a lot of count. Its really gonna make bleed OP if its turns out like that.
But... bleed doesn't need saving though? If you've used a proper bleed team even with all 3 bloodfiends bleed count is super easy to manage unless your just bad at doing it
Bruhh if focused encounter it feasible to maintain bleed (I am not stupid),but in normal fight it almost impossible to maintain bleed unless you use EGO just compared to other status effects
nah this aint it man...
I think this is hoe bleed rework look like. We have enough damage with sink and rupture, so they do bleed like tremor, more interesting.
Until Sancho comes, all the bloodfiend ids can go to the trashbin. All of them are way too niche to work in anystage outsides bloodbags and md.
No way you said they're too niche when they have egos like contempt and sanguine that has so many potency and count, their only weakness is status cleanse lmao. Now if you said too expensive then I would agree with you (5 WAW egos)
what is this yap 💀. they are very op and just because you ignore everything else besides the bleed count like this youtuber ,doesnt mean the ids are bad
You're actually trolling.