Prophetstown & A Presidential Curse!!! | History Traveler Episode 113
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- Following the Battle of Tippecanoe (which can be seen in episode 112), William Henry Harrison and his men marched on the Native American's settlement of Prophetstown to burn it to the ground. While nothing remains of the original settlement, a reconstruction of the village has been set up on the original site that we are exploring. Also, we're taking a look at a curse that was supposedly placed on the U.S. presidents by The Prophet himself. Interesting!
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In the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 we really do have some strange almost comical place names, and in my opinion the USA 🇺🇸 has their fare share as well, and in this case Tippe Canoe 🛶 is a good example, obviously the name comes from the native language and I don’t want to offend, however, Tippe Canoe sounds like a landing spot for people travelling on the waterways, and at night they tip over their canoe’s to dry out overnight, it doesn’t translate into words the way I see it in my warped mind. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴
Better ck ur history on the curse...Roosevelt died in 1945...not 1940
I love your non-biased history talks, and just how excited you get over history is almost contagious. Thank you for your videos!
Thanks! Appreciate that. I enjoy learning about the events and viewing them from as many viewpoints as I can.
It is a shave horse, see Matthew below. Pushing on the pedal with your feet holds your wood tight. It is a vise.
Always learning something. Thanks!
I'm not surprised in learning it is a shave horse but that is the first time I've seen one like that one.
I grew up on a farm in eastern Ohio. The Shawnee and Wyandotte native americans used to fight over the area because of the hunting grounds. There were several burial sites there. We used to find arrow heads there all of the time. We even found one that dated back past these tribes as it was 3,000 years old!
Wow!
There is an author called Allan Eckert that has written a series of books on the history of settling of America. One of them called The Frontiersman talks about prophetstown and Tecumseh. He also wrote a book about Tecumseh. All his books are well written and have a lot of history.
Alan Eckart's Frontiersman was great! Read it in7th grade. Then son read it, and loved it.
Eckert's books are fun reads as novels, but as history they should be taken with a big grain of salt. For instance, he hyped the myth that the Shawnee war leader Blue Jacket was actually a white man named Swearingen who had been kidnapped by the Shawnee as a child. Historians have thoroughly debunked this myth by, among other means, DNA tests of the descendants of Blue Jacket and the Swearingen family which showed no relationship whatsoever. Those tests didn't exist when Eckert was writing his books, be he still should have known better since the story didn't first appear until decades after Blue Jacket's death. There were zero contemporary references to Blue Jacket being white and had he been so, that fact obviously would have figured prominently in any accounts written about him during his lifetime.
@@loumencken9644 It does something else. The entire series gets people interested in the times and the people the books covered.
Also read "That dark and bloody river" by eckart", it really brings together the struggles of pre settlement and settlement of the Ohio River valley including the war of 1812.
Regan was an incredible speaker and motivator imo but he was also fantastic in his use of comedic relief. He played a small role in my reasons for joining the military near the end of his term.
We must never forget history because when we do it is bound and determined to repeat itself
“Early America RX” we as a Nation has lost a vast amount of history. Thank you for sharing 👍
Thanks for watching!
The Prophet died in the Argentine area of Kansas City, Kansas. His grave is near White Feather Spring in the Argentine area. It can be visited but it is behind a house on Ruby Avenue. The spring is owned by Shawnee Tribe (West} and Eastern Shawnee Tribe. There is an historic marker at the spring as well as offerings from the Shawnee Tribes.
Interesting. Always learning something!
I lived in KCK for years and never knew this. Actually, KCK is located in Wyandotte county. Named after the local tribe.
@@rebeccapowell2004 I found this out on a Kansas State Historical trip of sites in Wyandotte County. In actuality the Shawnee lands were south of the Kansas River. This would put the Argentine area in Shawnee tribal lands.
@@firstcitytraveler Thanks! So interesting.
Loving the approach of bringing in other, lesser know parts of American history. Thanks for being such a great representative for all of us history educators trying to get it right! Can’t wait to see the “next place”!
Thanks! I appreciate that. I definitely learned a lot on this one.
Absolutely Awesome ! Really enjoyed this and as always, I learned new things. Really would enjoy seeing more about our Native American People 💜☮️🌎💫
Definitely plan on doing more in the future. Thanks!
Very interesting, loved the comic relief. Needed the laughs, and dang it looked cold! Be safe and take care.
Ha! Yeah, it was pretty chilly up on that hilltop.
I had no idea about the curse, that is very interesting. The structures are very cool to see, most of the Native Americans in this region (Southwest) were much more nomadic, and had many ranges depending on season. So, it is neat to see a culture that would have been much more stable and had more settled lifestyle and permanent structures. Thanks for sharing! 👍
Yeah, that's a corner of Native American culture that I think gets less attention than the western tribes. Pretty interesting.
You never cease to educate me. Big thumbs up from the UK.
Glad to share the experience!
Thanks for pointing out about the buildings. Cherokee and other Eastern tribes used "lodge houses" and other buildings prior to the influx of European technology and building skills because they were more established in permanent villages and living areas than Plains and Southwestern Native Americans who were more transient, moving with seasons to access water, food and game. By the time period of Tecumseh and the Native Americans along the Natchez Trace that you covered earlier, most eastern tribes were using tools purchased from or made from European and American materials and building cabins and houses although the "Medicine Hut" is an example of a "modern" build keeping tranditional designs.
Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Always learning something.
As always an awesome video. I will be using, "mispronounced correctly" in the future. 🤣
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That curse is really scary..... when you named all the presidents who died, i got the chills..... 🥶
Kind of weird coincidence for sure.
I cannot imagine how Tecumseh felt on his return, so sad. British Major-General Sir Isaac Brock wrote of Tecumseh: "A more sagacious or a more gallant warrior does not I believe exist."
Wonderful coverage, thank you!
Thanks! He was certainly something else.
Tecumseh has a town in Ontario just near Windsor named after him. Tecumseh died at the Battle of the Thames two thirds of the way up the Thames from Lake St Clair near London ON. His trying to get the tribes together and siding with the British might have made life miserable for the American settlers
I live in a town called Chillicothe in Ohio, on the Scioto river originally named "Chalahgawtha" by the Shawnee.
Like your town
It is believed that Tecumseh was born in Chillicothee.
I was there at least once with my late husband during the 1980’s. We really enjoyed our visit, including the outdoor theater production of Tecumseh!
Once again, I always learn something new from your videos. Stay safe out there, and warm!
Appreciate that! Thanks!
Thank you for a great video as always! Now I'm singing "Here comes the sun...." Great!
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Darn it JD. I was going to start reading a new book today. Now because of your last video and this one I'm going to have to spend the rest of the day reading about the Battle of Tippecanoe. You constantly peak my curiosity.
Ha! Glad that the content can serve as a healthy distraction :)
I really enjoyed listening to Episode 112 and 113 hearing about the Battle of TIppecanoe and Prophetstown. A really great job telling the story. There is an interesting piece regarding the battle that you may have missed. General Harrison's march to Prophetstown. Harrison was following along the Wabash River on his march north from the Territorial Capitol in Vincennes until he received word that the Native Americans had planned to ambush him at a choke point along the river on their route north. Harrison diverted his march away from the river and well north of the river traveling through what is today the northern end of Warren County, Indiana. Harrison avoided the ambush and safely reached his destination near Prophetstown. Legend has it that Zacriah Cicott, a trader and early white settler to the area, let Harrison know of the ambush after being informed of it by a daughter of a chief known to white settlers as Kate. Kate according to legend was cast into a pond and drowned for telling Harrison of their plans.The pond, an 80 acre lake, is still today known as Kate's Pond.
Another well done history lesson! Nice work and I look forward to the next video! Hoosiers!!!
Wow that bit about the curse on the presidents is just absolutely crazy! Great video
Fascinating history. Rock solid statement about choices and leadership. We each carry that responsibility. Be safe young man. Appreciate what you and your family do sharing with the history buffs that make up this community of subscribers.
Thanks! Appreciate that.
This is 10 min from my home!! Glad you enjoyed it
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Wow, thank you!
As always, a fascinating look at the past history of a nation. Good or bad, history deserves to be remembered, and as a teacher of mine used to say, "warts and all".
I can see a real estate advertisement for the Chief's house....."Rustic bachelorette log cabin in a rural setting. Excellent cross flow ventilation. Peaceful country living, connect with the past with this reconstructed historical building. A great opportunity for the right individual."
Ha! Thanks.
If you are still in Indiana, check out Mounds State Park in Anderson, IN. Amazing site with the mound builders culture.
Interesting tidbit: There were a group of counterfeiters who tried (and failed) to steal Lincoln's body to hold hostage to get their buddy out of jalil. They were going to hide it at Mounds.
Nice work,glad to see history never sleeps. Stay warm and thx you🖒.. cA
Thanks, will do!
The bench in the first building is a foot vice used to hold a bow stave in place while being scraped down and tillered into a shootable bow. Bowyers today still use them. Thanks for sharing!
3:53 is a foot operated vise for clamping down pieces of wood or other materials so they are held in place so the user has both hands free to operate draw knives, drills and anything else that requires two hands. The bench is straddled, foot or feet on the board near the ground, work piece clamped under the board on the top.
Thanks! Always learning something.
Another excellent film. We have an amazing American history. Unfortunately -- the older I get the more sensitive I am to this, and I'm a political conservative so go figure -- so much of American success and advancement came with the demize of indigenous cultures. Thank you for giving attention to the native people in this and other reports you file. Keep traveling.
Hoo rah!!! United we stand ! Divided we fall. This is a mantra we need to remember in today's "Social Dilemma " !! Also the title of the. Netflix Documentary every American should watch to gain knowledge and most importantly... perspective. Amen
The roots of the sassafras tree make a root beer flavored drink. The leaves are used in Cajun cooking it’s called file(fill-a) powder. And the Wyandotte nation still exists in Oklahoma.
Yes! I was going to mention both of those, but you beat me to it. I study herbs and that part peaked my interest, not that JD doesn't. I love these videos. Do any of that tribe own casinos 🎰 just curious?
@@MiJacFan1 yes they own a couple of casinos in Oklahoma that I’m aware of
I had to go back and watch again. Regan said "missed me" 😂
Lot of great information I really appreciate it, but please don't think for one minute that my favorite part of the video would cancel out the rest but my favorite part of the video was your George Harrison reference at the end here comes the sun
Ha! Thanks. I was just talking to myself there and left it in to see if anybody would get it.
As someone who is not physically able to travel much , I appreciate you videos so much , always very professional,very well done , very well narrated. You have a gift please keep it , I for one appreciate it so much , your the best ,thank you
Appreciate that. Thanks for the kind words. It’s been fun sharing the experiences.
It's colder this week. Glad you like Indiana.
As a native born Hoosier, I studied Indiana history in the eighth grade. Living in east central Indiana, it wasn't possible to take a field trip to this battlefield but I am very grateful that you did! Thank you so much for bringing history to life!
Check out books by James Alexander Thom. He has written several on Tecumseh, their original capital in Chillicothe, Ohio, and the battle you speak of. Extraordinary history in a fictional setting. Prophetstown has a very strange vibe to it. Perhaps from the battle and destruction. America, as in the US military may have won the battle of Tippecanoe. But America lost because of the history that has been lost, And the inhilation of the Native Americans.
Have to purchase MORE books now, thanks to you ! Wonderful video. Thank you for delving into this rich history.
Dang, interesting. Thanks from Scotland 👍
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Thanks. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Will be headed that way in two weeks.
Thanks for the tour. I’d forgotten the divisible by 20 curse.
Hi, a very cool place and it's good that they did a reconstruction to show what it would have looked like. Thank you for sharing, much love. xx 🙏💖
Both this one and the one on Battle of Tippecanoe were very well done and highly informative. I grew up in Tippecanoe County and have always found the history behind this battle to be very intriguing. Thanks for the videos!!
Wow , I never knew about the curse ! I found this video very interesting and informative ! Please keep making great history lesson videos ! Take care , stay safe and healthy with whatever you maybe doing next ! Doing well here in Kansas .
The Wyandot were also known as the Wendot, Wendaki and more commonly known these days as the Huron.
Interesting. Always learning something.
Love your videos. I had never heard of this before. Keep em coming. Great work. Always interesting
Excellent historical information. Your never to old to learn, something new. American Indians were well known for their herbs used for medicine, and cooking, some of these are still used in the same ways today in pharmaceutical medicines, and also cooking. My father was raised on some of the wild foods, such as poke salad, wild mustard green, wild lambs quarters, etc.. I don't know about the curse of the prophet, but it certainly makes you think. Great video.
Yeah, I learned a lot while putting this one together. Thanks for watching!
Once the pandemic is under control, you may want to check out the outdoor drama of Tecumseh. Its outside of Chillicothe, Ohio, 5968 Marietta rd. It is absolutely incredible
Interesting. I'll have to look into that. Thanks!
I remember it being called “ THE ZERO FACTOR”. Thanks for reminding me of this. Love your videos. They are the best! Thanks!
Watched many of your videos thoroughly enjoy your historical perspective keep up the great episodes
A great pair of videos. Thank you. Very educational.
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Great video had no idea about this at all Thank you
1993 movie about tecumseh called. The last warrior. Well done
Once again, thank you, this episode is interesting too ! 👍this presidential curse...unbelievable!🤔...and medecine lodge! Yes...Respect for the natives...
I love how informed your vlogs are thankyou for thr History lessons, keep up the good work.
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... As usual ... outstanding job ... thank you ...
Loved this part two. Great job!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Published just a few months ago, the book
"Tecumseh and the Prophet: The Shawnee Brothers Who Defied a Nation," by Peter Cozzens, is an excellent, well-researched, and well-written detailing of the events presented in this and the previous vlog.
FANTASTIC video - I don't buy boogie man tales but I DO love reading of them - the presidential curse was always creepy - Reagan seems to have stopped it somehow - GREAT VID.
Thanks! I'm the same way. They're fun to think about.
Looking at the tribes names, you can see a lot of them used for locations in the Midwest today. Wyandotte, MI is named after the Wyandot tribe, for example. Interesting.
Yeah, I thought the same thing.
Wyandotte County is also the county Kansas City, KS is located in.
The Wyandot Tribe was in Ohio too. They were the last tribe to leave, and the town of Upper Sandusky was formed immediately after that. My late husband knew a lady from that area whose ancestor watched the Wyandots as they walked past for the last time. Thank you @The History Underground for sharing your very interesting, educational and entertaining videos.
Great stuff as always, JD.
That's a shaving horse using a draw knife to shape wood. Great video!
Really enjoying your videos👍🏼👍🏼
I live in this area, in West Lafayette. I've only lived here for a year. I'm going to have to check this out! I would imagine that this area is probably more happening in the summer though.
Another great video!
Wow, that curse was a bit frightening. Kind of weird 🤔 I really enjoyed this video!! I loved the content 😊
Indiana is full of Underground Railroads sites- check out the Levi Coffin house online.
Very cool 😎 nice job 👍
Thanks 👍
Awesome video as always thank you
At Prophet's Town State Park, they have monuments that show the known Native Nations that were part of Tecumseh's Confederation.
Another area you may have enjoyed visiting and learning about is about 40-50 miles north of Battle Ground, the Grand Kankakee Marsh, "The Everglades of the North". It is a fraction of the size it was historically after the dredging of the Kankakee River and the draining of the Marsh but lots of history there that is often overlooked.
Another amazing video! Keep the wonder content coming!
Those drone shots 👌
Thank you!
Live in NW Indiana...Been to the Battle of Tippecanoe monument and the museum..also traveled some of the Potawatami Death Trail. So awesome seeing you walk the grounds. Never made it to Prophetstown, definitely will check that out. Love your Videos bro...Thanks for some awesome historical videos, Really enjoy them. Keep it up!o
Really enjoy your aerial photography!!!
Thank you very much!
Great Episode
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Learned some good stuff want to do more research on this subject, I’m really interested, thank you!
Me too! Thanks.
The bench you saw is a leather vise. You put what ever piece of leather beteeen the two parts sticking up on top. One is statiinary the other is connected to the pedle underneath. When you set on the bench and press the peddle underneath it causes the upper pieces to clamp together holding the leather tight so you can shape it and sew it.
You usually found these in a cobblers shop. But it can be used to process any kind of leather product.
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Very good video enjoy very much learn something everyday
Cool fact about William Henry Harrison is my great great great grandfather.
Wow!
That's called a Shaving Bench. You use your feet to to push down on the pedal and it will clamp things in place so you can work on it.
It was a vice bench you sat down on it put your work in it pushed on the bottom of it with your feet and it locked you’re work in so you could use a draw knife for shaping. Great video you do such a good job
i know this is off topic of the video but you have to visit chickamauga battlefield. One of the bloodiest battles of the civil war and really does not get talked about and i feel like you are the perfect person to actually bring it to light
I just discovered your videos, and I’m really enjoying them while learning a lot. Btw, your reference to George Harrison’s song by the Beatles was not lost on me. As a first generation Beatles fan, I’ll be celebrating George’s birthday this Wednesday, February 24.
Great history lesson JD 👍🏻😎
Thanks! I enjoyed putting this one together.
That bench resembles a shaving horse for bow making, I have never seen one exactly like that one. The pedals are used for holding the stave in place while shaving out the growth rings.
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Appreciate that! Feel free to share some of them out from time to time :)
Awesome place. Very interesting list of presidents that got cursed.... on to the next place JD.
Yeah, kind of a neat coincidence.
@the history underground The old south saying "GOD WILLING AND THE CREEK DON'T RISE" Was an answer given most often when someone asked for example "brother Smith will we see you Sunday morning for church?" The meaning, I thought was like waters in creeks etc and also very poor English. The actual meaning referenced the Creek Indians. For instance Stone Mountain Georgia is one area where native tribe the Creek and the Cherokee both occupied and eventually merged before the Trail of Tears happened. If we Europeans owe anyone anything we owe our native people restitution and appreciation.
Great video cant wait for the next one
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The haunting desolate feeling of today's prophet town seem appropriate for vanished culture.
If you take a look behind where he is standing at 12:35 you will see the farm located at prophetstown. There are two houses there that are Sears houses. One was moved there and one is a replica of a kit that Sears sold.
I'm late to the party, but I'm pretty sure that bench in the first building is a shave horse for woodworking. Sassafras root makes root beer and the dried leaves make gumbo filet. It's a thickening agent but like okra, it doesn't add much flavor.
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Trying to imagine that huge open field was one huge village. Must have been impressive to have seen 200 years ago. I didn't know about the prophet's cruse, way too coincidental lol.