I can barely calculate lethal when my opponent is on 10hp and I topdeck Pyroblast, I have no idea how much work must go into calculating the absolute maximum damage for each class. Mad props to you, sir.
I have done stuff similar to this before. Like "most possible damage by turn 3, opponent does nothing." What you generally do is try to find holes in the game design and determine what the rules of the challenge are. Because the rules of the challenge says no RNG and no Hero Powers, you are working with 10 cards that were reduced to zero. One design hole to exploit is anything that doubles. For example Windfury and Divine Champion basically double the damage a minion would do. So now the question is just "how do we get the most amount of buffs to go with the double?" This is why every class that revolved around "getting a big minion to charge" used 2 Bonemares, Brann, and 1 Brewmaster. Bonemare is biggest buff, Brann doubles it, and Brewmaster is another Bonemare. You can't have another Brewmaster to get another Bonemare because of mana issues so only one Brewmaster. That fixes 4 cards. Biggest charger is Leeroy, so 5 cards. Faceless is another double, so that is 7 cards fixed and all of those are Neutral cards. From there, you just look at each class. What does Shaman have to add? Windfury is another double and Bloodlust/Rock Biter adds 3 damage, so we are at 10 cards. Do Shaman have that would be more damage than Leeroy or Bonemares? Nope, so Shaman are done. What do Paladins have? Divine Champion and Bless of Kings. Do Paladins do anything better? No but if you change Leeroy with Boar and Blessing of Kings to Dinosize it is the same damage but funnier. Okay, Paladins are done. Even Warrior, which actually has to deal with board size issues only ends up changing 2 cards of the Charge Package: Grom-Leeroy and 1 Sudden Genesis - 1 Faceless. If you do the work to find a strong neutral base, you only have to find a couple of cards in each class to make the best template. And if it is a class that would be better off casting spells, you have another template with Malygos-2 Faceless. After that, there are only a few classes that wanted to do something totally different than "charge big Leeroys" or "cast a lot of spells" and most would be pretty obvious. Mages obviously have Infinite Fireball, Priest have Velen, though I bet trying to find the best way to abuse Warlock was kind of a challenge as it is one of the few that is just so totally different than "big chargin' dude" or "cast spells." It is actually a really fun puzzle to work out. About as challenging as a crossword and about as time consuming; nice timekiller for me at work.
Seriously, the amount of "HE USED OPPONENT'S MILLHOUSE FOR ZERO MANA FIREBALLS, RIP RULES" comments are too damn high. Which part of UNLIMITED MANA people cannot seem to comprehend?
fonpotter then for the paladin otk he could have use leeroy insted of stonetusk boar it would have also dealt more damage. Yes and i know the reason he did not do that was that he did not have enough mana... but isnt that ironic?
It is still a card that ur opponent played to help you, if you don't understand the meaning of "help" and "opponent" and "card" repeat it 10 times before you post your comment
You perfectly well understand why this Millhouse was played. Stop being so annoying. Would you be happy if it was specified like "No help from your opponent aside from the obvious Millhouse that's needed for this to work"?
To those people bitching about having the opponent play Millhouse one turn earlier: It's to simulate infinite mana which is what the video is about... The minions cost 0 too so at some point in the game there had to be an Emperor Thaurissan in play which was played on previous turns... Serves the same purpose
+ケメントエーゲ You could just play Anduin on that turn, you don't need to play anything earlier. Raza played earlier would just be simulating the "infinite mana" like the Millhouse for the mage. +ScreenName You could still set up the 6 Velens first for 128 damage hero power which adds up quicker than Mage's 36 damage fireballs. Ping the Volajz and then play Lyra. Depending on the spells you get you could definitely do more damage than the current priest one. But you could also just get spells you can't actually play and break the chain. Even if hero powers were allowed the "no random effects" rule bans Lyra who is very random.
Yea, but you could cycle shadow visions infinitely, unless that counts as random since you'd have to have drawn all the cards except for the one shadow visions.
The title of this video says “with Infinite Mana”. So if you complain about how the opponent “helped him”, they didn’t. Millhouse is the only way to simulate infinite mana for spells in this scenario.
The Paly combo was pretty far off the max damage. If Millhouse is used, as it was in Rogue and Mage, Rafaam would be better than a bonemare. This would bump the damage up from 408 to 696. It would go like this: 1. Play Boar 2. Play Dinosize 3. Play Brann 4. Play Bonemare buffing Boar 5. Play Rafaam, picking Lantern of Power both times 6. Use both lanterns on Boar 7. Bounce Rafaam using Youthful Brewmaster 8. Repeat steps 4 and 5 9. Use both Blessed Champions on Boar 10. Use both Faceless Manipulators on Boar 11. Swing all three Boars for 232 each I may have done my math a little wrong here, but I'm pretty certain that this combo is higher than the one shown in the video. Just to reiterate, Millhouse is allowed because it simulates infinite mana. Thanks for reading! Edit: The Mage combo could have been improved too. By switching Taldaran with a second ancient mage, he could have bumped his spell damage bonus up by one. Here's how: 1. Play Brann 2. Play Malygos 3. Play the 1st ancient mage between Brann and Malygos 4. Play 2nd ancient mage between the 1st ancient mage and Malygos 5. Use both Faceless Manipulators on Malygos 6. Play Antonidas 7. Combo off I think that it's possible to do even better by swapping one of the pyroblasts and one of the fireballs with brewmasters, then doing like so (I don't have much time, so I'm not going to specify every placement. It should be obvious that you always buff and copy the Malygos, never buff the brewmaster or ancient mage, and always bounce the ancient mage): 1. Brann 2. Malygos 3. Antonidas 4. Ancient mage 1 5. Brewmaster 6. Ancient mage 2 7. Brewmaster 8. KIll brewmasters with spells 9. Ancient mage 3 10. Ancient mage 4 11. Faceless 12. Faceless 13. Combo off This would bump spell damage up to 47.
Vanondorf I think "discover" is a random effect just like drawing a card. You can argue against it but Hysteria makes the rules.. Druid could also draw cards like Moonfire and stuff with Ultimate Infestation. If you have 2 cards in your deck and draw 5 you will always draw those 2 cards but it's still random, just like the discover effect..
Stubbari but u won't draw those cards if u drew them a turn before, so that is random, but if u ALWAYS will be able to choose the card u need it isn't random.
Stubbari The Rafaam discovery is never random. It does not fall into that category. You will always get the same three. It's really more of a "choose one" effect, in that way.
@Vanondorf: It's a discover basically only because discovering was the theme of that expansion. In reality it's more like Kalimos (or druid's choose ones, like you said). I like your ideas.
shaman you have more damage if you added a second brewmaster and a lighting bolt(to clear a brew master) rather then the double rockbitter. it would give leeroy 8 attack instead of 6
@ForemostPanic62 Millhouses effect is still active according to the wiki Loatheb and Millhouse Manastorm's effects remain active during extra turns granted by Time Warp,[4] but Ice Block's immunity will wear off when the extra turn starts.[5]
You'd have to complete the quest on that turnto get the card which would take most your turn and most of your hand. Plus random element of getting specific cards playable.
Man, whoever came up with these combos deserves some serious kudos! Fantastic to watch, those combos were amazing! My favorite was the Warlock combo! How creative and close can you get?! Well done again, HysteriA. Fantastic video as always from a seriously underrated twitch and yt channel! Well done!
The warlock's damage might have been meh, but the method was pretty damn creative. And hunter dealt 18,2236393 times the damage of all other classes combined, if you were wondering. 51.3935592 times if you don't count priest. A true face master.
+Eik Naur Jensen Nah, not a true face master. The hunter screwed up. If you are a bit more tricky, you get at least 458754 damage (105.4 times the priests damage)
+Eik Naur Jensen Already wrote it as comment here, but the updated version: Cards: Gahz'rilla Brann Baron Bonemare Tentacle x2 Corpse Raiser Explosive Shot Feign Death Tundra Rhino Play Gahz'rilla, Brann, Baron and Bonemare -> 14/17 rilla. Play Tentacle x2 and Corpse Raiser, targeting a tentacle. Needed positioning: tentacle (without bonus deathrattle), Mare, Raiser. Now Explo Bonemare and the fun begins, Corpse Raiser to 3/1, killing the mare and tentacle -> 2x 1 damage on all -> killing Raiser and 2nd tentacle[the one with raiser deathrattle]. This opens 4 slots for the deathrattle of the 2nd tentacle = 2x 1 damage followed by filling the 4 slots with 4 tentacles. 224/13 rilla and 1/3 baron. Feign Death for 8 trigger (due Baron, killing him) + 4 dying (Baron wont double here)= 12 damage -> 917.504/1 rilla Finally Rino and hit that sweet face. Priest damage: 4352 Hunter damage: 917.504 + 2 from Rino
You wanna get into technics? It doesnt deal damage boi, just destroys opponent. Like how sw pain on a acolyte of pain doesnt draw card. Math. Physics. Best 2/3. I win.
Lol, I see you changed your original comment. Well, I probably made that comment before I learned about murkeye here, but atleast im not editing it to pretend I did lol xD.
The spells and minions are discounted to 0 (by millhouse and thaurissan, respectively), because of the infinite mana rule, for anyone thinking that this was cheating
The hunter BEGS to be optimized. I mean really? He is the original SMOrc and won't be satisfied until he beats the puny priest by at least a factor of 100!!! Cards: Gahz'rilla Brann Baron Bonemare Tentacle Corpse Raiser Grievous Bite (for style) Explosive Shot Feign Death Tundra Rhino Play Gahz'rilla, Brann, Baron and Bonemare -> 14/17 rilla, bonemare positioned next to rilla. Play Tentacle on the other side of rilla and Corpse Raiser between rilla and mare, targeting the tentacle. Now bite the Corpse Raiser, hitting rilla for 1 -> 3/1 Corpse Raiser, 28/16 rilla, tentacle with deathrattle summon 2 tentacles. Explo Bonemare, killing the mare, Corpse Raiser and tentacle -> 2x 1 damage on all and the 4 now open slots are filled with tentacles. 112/14 rilla Feign Death for 8 trigger (due Baron, killing him) + 4 dying (Baron wont double here)= 12 damage -> 458.752/2 rilla Finally Rino and hit that sweet face. Priest damage: 4352 Hunter damage: 458754 PS: does fatiguing the opponent counts?
Raffam should have replaced a bonemare in every single combo, it gives 2 spells becuse it brann and they are free so +20 instead of +8 and given the brewmasters, seems like most of them are wrong, even the deals 10 randomly is better than some spells unless it breaks the random rule. the board is empty so IDK but . so the warlock is the only one thats right otherwise, :/
"Deal 10 damage randomly split among all enemies." Sounds pretty random to me but who am I to judge. But yeah I agree. For example 1 Rafaam's Lantern would be better than Dinosize.
Its not random since "discover" in this case ALWAYS yields the same result, always the same 3 cards. Which would turn it into a "choose one" instead of "discover" draw a card is random, beacuse its not always the same, even if you are guaranteed to get the right card, it still is random if it places last in the deck. With rafam, its not random, since you get the 3 same results. Kalimos (shaman ungoro legendary if that was the correct name) is a "choose one" effect too, but by the same logic as rafaam, could have been "discover"
It's a complicated matter. I would love if HysteriA would comment his thoughts. You wrote down arguments for you theory. Bravo! most people just say what they think without adding any explanation. (like ravi above you)
If you include Time Warp you would have to get it through quest, since finishing quest for time warp counts as getting help from previous turns. Edit: i forgot fireballs are created. i'm retarded. Yeah i wonder why he did not either
He couldve Done more damage since he couldve used king krush for example and Thats 8 damage for 1 card and Maybe something like hammer of wrath Which is essentially 11 damage for 2 cards and the boar combo is 10 damage for 2 cards
does the "time warp" break the first rule or not? idk if it is also "in 1 turn" by the effect of that and maybe let mage have more time to deal damage?
You can do more with warlock. Instead of donating apothecary you donate a wrathguard with the same corpse raiser trick and shadowflame a massive void terror, beefing it up with Brann, the corpse raisers and Rafaam with +10/+10. The example I came up with does 384, I have no idea if it's optimal: Brann, Wrathguard, 2 Corpse Raiser, Treachery, Rafaam, 2 Void Terror, Shadow Bolt, Shadowflame, in that order on the obvious targets. 4 damage from shadowbolting the wrathguard, making 4 more, and then shadowflame the 95/95 void terror against a board of 4 wrathguards for 380.
Does playing Nozdormu near the end of the turn and then removing it not reset the rope anymore? Because if it does reset it, then Mage's would be much higher
Good thinking. Maybe one day we'll get Millificent Manastorm with Battlecry: Your opponent's minons cost (0) next turn. Or simply a sandbox mode. Until then we're limited by the normal game rules.
Every class, 162 damages (more than the druid one): -leeroy -brann -bonemare -bonemare -panda (on bonemare) -bonemare again -repeat this with the 4 pandas (you play 6 bonemare in total) -faceless manipulator -faceless manipulator This combo needs exactly 10 neutral cards and you have 3 leeroy with 54 attacks each -> 162 dmg...
While this is true in theory, and some of these can go even higher with the panda bonemares, hystera can only work with what hearthstone allows him to. Even if infinite mana would allow it, there is no way to simulate it as the bonemares go to 7 mana when bounced. Hysteria mainly showed the highest thats possible to actually show.
Just so you dont have to read all the comments. They go like this HAHA YOU CHEATED YOU USED MILLHOUSE GAY and then there is a stream of comments saying about infinite mana.
There are literally more comments bitching about the people who said millhouse was outside help than there are people who actually said millhouse was outside help. Out of ~700 comments, I found ~5 people who said millhouse was outside help. There were at least 50-60 people who commented about those 5ish people. Grow up people. 5 people made mistakes and were corrected in replies, you don't need to write a separate comment bitching too.
There is literally no harm in correcting people who are wrong. They just learn and they shouldn't get offended by it, unless the ones who are correcting are doing it in an offensive way. And I'm sure the people just didn't notice the other comments before correcting them.
Is shadow visions allowed? If yes, then priest can do more damage by discovering double hp for creature until the rope, and set it's attack equal to health in the end.
Yep, im sick of pirates too, but its good there arent that many pirates anymore, i mean, its been a while since i played against a pirate warrior, i can only seem to find pirates on rogues nowadays, so thats good.... And taking that rhyme as an example, we've been having that for months now, and its finally changing, so how about change that DAMN SAX SONG?!
Yeah, if u have seen as many videos of hearthstone as i have, then u know that at least 90% of them have that damn song.... sure, at first it was nice, but now? Years have passed and that damn song STILL playing in almost every video, come on! I dont know about you, but when i listen to a song over and over again for so much time, i get really sick of it...
while using shadowstep on the shadow caster to make another malygos would provide a total of 30 damage, you would lose out on the otherwise 84 you get from the extra petals.
Wait, why no hero power? I'd love to know because If it's for priest couldn't you use the same rule as infinite fireballs? It seems worse if I'm honest.
with mage wouldn't it be better to replace one of the faceless with the mage quest? you can play it on the same turn as you finish it, so you almost double your damage. Not sure if its cheating tho.
There is a flaw in the druid one, druid can technically produce far more damage with hero attack buff cards being included in the mix(eg 2 claws, 2 bites, 2 savage roars, 2 feral rage, 2 gnash, and 2 moonfire) as druid is the only class in this list with such immense card draw potential(that hand draws 12 cards eg enough to grab every other damaging spell in druid) so the cards drawn should be included in this list With those twelve additional card and the setup given on the board its come out to 68 more damage for druid 26 from hero buff and 42 from the two moonfires also that additional 68 damage puts druid at an exact tie with shaman at 216 damage
6:34 In the paladin one: change Stonetusk Boar for Leeroy Jenkins, and Dinosize for Youthful Brewmaster #2. Leeroy starts as a 6/2, and using Brann + 4 Bonemares, he goes to 38/34. The final damage is then 456 (instead of 408).
so... druid could be higher no? there is no rule here about drawing into more cards that do damage, i understand it would be hard to capture but theoretically you could draw into more burn spells since you could draw last and have a full hand again.
With this sort of videos, it would be cool/nice for you to do the highest damaging neutral combo too. I know it probably would not be very high damage count but it would still be nice to see. Keep up the good work!
Those 2 buffs casted created a total of 12 spell damage, that then get multiplied by velan. In other words, those 2 buffs added 768 damage to every spell.
is it possible for damage on the shaman one to be increased by using al akir instead of leeroy? That way the windfury card can be replaced with something else, like abusive, as al akir already has charge and windfury and getting a brann abusive onto al akir would put him at 7 attack, 1 higher than leeroy
Wouldn't it be better to add more trigger for Gazhrilla? Like, I think would be even better than those 5 mana 3/3. Because from x attack two trigers will make 4x attack, and two duplicates will do just 3x.
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I can barely calculate lethal when my opponent is on 10hp and I topdeck Pyroblast, I have no idea how much work must go into calculating the absolute maximum damage for each class. Mad props to you, sir.
golden comment!
Not that much really
Franco Pulido alright you do it then
I have done stuff similar to this before. Like "most possible damage by turn 3, opponent does nothing." What you generally do is try to find holes in the game design and determine what the rules of the challenge are. Because the rules of the challenge says no RNG and no Hero Powers, you are working with 10 cards that were reduced to zero. One design hole to exploit is anything that doubles. For example Windfury and Divine Champion basically double the damage a minion would do. So now the question is just "how do we get the most amount of buffs to go with the double?"
This is why every class that revolved around "getting a big minion to charge" used 2 Bonemares, Brann, and 1 Brewmaster. Bonemare is biggest buff, Brann doubles it, and Brewmaster is another Bonemare. You can't have another Brewmaster to get another Bonemare because of mana issues so only one Brewmaster. That fixes 4 cards. Biggest charger is Leeroy, so 5 cards. Faceless is another double, so that is 7 cards fixed and all of those are Neutral cards. From there, you just look at each class. What does Shaman have to add? Windfury is another double and Bloodlust/Rock Biter adds 3 damage, so we are at 10 cards. Do Shaman have that would be more damage than Leeroy or Bonemares? Nope, so Shaman are done. What do Paladins have? Divine Champion and Bless of Kings. Do Paladins do anything better? No but if you change Leeroy with Boar and Blessing of Kings to Dinosize it is the same damage but funnier. Okay, Paladins are done. Even Warrior, which actually has to deal with board size issues only ends up changing 2 cards of the Charge Package: Grom-Leeroy and 1 Sudden Genesis - 1 Faceless.
If you do the work to find a strong neutral base, you only have to find a couple of cards in each class to make the best template. And if it is a class that would be better off casting spells, you have another template with Malygos-2 Faceless. After that, there are only a few classes that wanted to do something totally different than "charge big Leeroys" or "cast a lot of spells" and most would be pretty obvious. Mages obviously have Infinite Fireball, Priest have Velen, though I bet trying to find the best way to abuse Warlock was kind of a challenge as it is one of the few that is just so totally different than "big chargin' dude" or "cast spells."
It is actually a really fun puzzle to work out. About as challenging as a crossword and about as time consuming; nice timekiller for me at work.
Imagine being that brainlet :^)
*Join the Kabal they said*
*Throwing potions maniacally*
Join the Kabal, they said.
*CRYSTALS* they said
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it will be fun, they said..
Seriously, the amount of "HE USED OPPONENT'S MILLHOUSE FOR ZERO MANA FIREBALLS, RIP RULES" comments are too damn high. Which part of UNLIMITED MANA people cannot seem to comprehend?
those guys are just as smart as the "use mage-quest" guys!! :D
People nowadays always say things before they think instead of vice versa. President Trump is an excellent example of that
I guess they are mad because the rule says "no hlep from cards played a turn earlier " and "no help from your opponent"
fonpotter then for the paladin otk he could have use leeroy insted of stonetusk boar it would have also dealt more damage. Yes and i know the reason he did not do that was that he did not have enough mana... but isnt that ironic?
How? Dinosize would still only put it to 10/10
0:50 THE SWIPES SOUND EFFECTS ARE SYNCHRONIZED WITH THE SONG :O
Milhouse only helps to simulate infinite mana, it is not "help from your opponent".
Repeat it 10 times before you post your comment.
Milhouse helps for spells only. The combos were done with 0-cost minions too, so milhouse was clearly not used on this video.
millhouse was used for the mage one. antonidas doesnt create 0 cost fireballs without millhouse
I've seen Millhouse on Rouge too, razorpetals quickly discounted to zero when he got them
It is still a card that ur opponent played to help you, if you don't understand the meaning of "help" and "opponent" and "card" repeat it 10 times before you post your comment
You perfectly well understand why this Millhouse was played. Stop being so annoying. Would you be happy if it was specified like "No help from your opponent aside from the obvious Millhouse that's needed for this to work"?
To those people bitching about having the opponent play Millhouse one turn earlier: It's to simulate infinite mana which is what the video is about... The minions cost 0 too so at some point in the game there had to be an Emperor Thaurissan in play which was played on previous turns... Serves the same purpose
Reinhardt but bonemare costs 7 after brewmaster
Makrell Are you being serious? Bounced cards always return to their original form e.g they lose buffs, deathrattles, mana modifications etc.
Bring it on from the warrior was probably used to reduce minion cost, due to it also increasing armour which he needed to showcase this.
Sylvester Holmes Whatever gets the job done
I just like to be right :)
And here I thought the previous Hunter record of 18k would never be beaten...
Exantius E I think the world record is up in the billions
Tobias Boss Billions in one turn, from empty board and no help from the enemy? How the hell?
Exantius E who said it was in 1 turn?
technically mage's is infinite
@@exantiuse497 If you’re still interested, Linecracker + Bees can easily reach billions
Velen's chosen Velen Kappa
Like a Putin
Choosing himself for the raise in paycheck smh
I choose me!
Number 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 : not bad SMOrc
Hunter : what the fuck
•no hero power
Every prohibition has a story.......“the light has betrayed me-not all who wander are BEHOLD THE GLORY OF A NEW *wush* “
It wouldn‘t be random
*no help from cards played earlier*
Turn time would still limit it. Just look at the mage one. Think before you comment
+ケメントエーゲ
You could just play Anduin on that turn, you don't need to play anything earlier. Raza played earlier would just be simulating the "infinite mana" like the Millhouse for the mage.
+ScreenName
You could still set up the 6 Velens first for 128 damage hero power which adds up quicker than Mage's 36 damage fireballs. Ping the Volajz and then play Lyra. Depending on the spells you get you could definitely do more damage than the current priest one. But you could also just get spells you can't actually play and break the chain. Even if hero powers were allowed the "no random effects" rule bans Lyra who is very random.
Yea, but you could cycle shadow visions infinitely, unless that counts as random since you'd have to have drawn all the cards except for the one shadow visions.
Anduin: "I can do 4k dmg in one turn."
Rexxar: "Hold my beer."
The title of this video says “with Infinite Mana”. So if you complain about how the opponent “helped him”, they didn’t. Millhouse is the only way to simulate infinite mana for spells in this scenario.
are we really gonna let him pass the fact warrior had 3600 armor against priest?
Sounds like a normal Priest v Control Warrior match from back in the day
this
Still not enough to win against Razakus Kappa
The Paly combo was pretty far off the max damage. If Millhouse is used, as it was in Rogue and Mage, Rafaam would be better than a bonemare. This would bump the damage up from 408 to 696. It would go like this:
1. Play Boar
2. Play Dinosize
3. Play Brann
4. Play Bonemare buffing Boar
5. Play Rafaam, picking Lantern of Power both times
6. Use both lanterns on Boar
7. Bounce Rafaam using Youthful Brewmaster
8. Repeat steps 4 and 5
9. Use both Blessed Champions on Boar
10. Use both Faceless Manipulators on Boar
11. Swing all three Boars for 232 each
I may have done my math a little wrong here, but I'm pretty certain that this combo is higher than the one shown in the video. Just to reiterate, Millhouse is allowed because it simulates infinite mana. Thanks for reading!
Edit: The Mage combo could have been improved too. By switching Taldaran with a second ancient mage, he could have bumped his spell damage bonus up by one. Here's how:
1. Play Brann
2. Play Malygos
3. Play the 1st ancient mage between Brann and Malygos
4. Play 2nd ancient mage between the 1st ancient mage and Malygos
5. Use both Faceless Manipulators on Malygos
6. Play Antonidas
7. Combo off
I think that it's possible to do even better by swapping one of the pyroblasts and one of the fireballs with brewmasters, then doing like so (I don't have much time, so I'm not going to specify every placement. It should be obvious that you always buff and copy the Malygos, never buff the brewmaster or ancient mage, and always bounce the ancient mage):
1. Brann
2. Malygos
3. Antonidas
4. Ancient mage 1
5. Brewmaster
6. Ancient mage 2
7. Brewmaster
8. KIll brewmasters with spells
9. Ancient mage 3
10. Ancient mage 4
11. Faceless
12. Faceless
13. Combo off
This would bump spell damage up to 47.
Vanondorf I think "discover" is a random effect just like drawing a card. You can argue against it but Hysteria makes the rules..
Druid could also draw cards like Moonfire and stuff with Ultimate Infestation. If you have 2 cards in your deck and draw 5 you will always draw those 2 cards but it's still random, just like the discover effect..
Stubbari but u won't draw those cards if u drew them a turn before, so that is random, but if u ALWAYS will be able to choose the card u need it isn't random.
Stubbari The Rafaam discovery is never random. It does not fall into that category. You will always get the same three. It's really more of a "choose one" effect, in that way.
@Vanondorf: It's a discover basically only because discovering was the theme of that expansion. In reality it's more like Kalimos (or druid's choose ones, like you said). I like your ideas.
Thanks, Mate!
damn this video was satisfying
Try not to get satisfied
Could you imagine being the warrior with two ancient ones and then all of a sudden a hunter does 122,000 damage to you?
You could have used felfire potion to get 5 more damage out of Warlock.
Priest: "I can do more than Mage in ONE HIT!"
Hunter: "I can do more than _EVERYONE ELSE COMBINED_ in ONE HIT!"
Thank you for doing this, I love these!
2:13 T H I C C
lmfao
only quality
Ragnarosino Dummierino I know right
Pat fussy
VALEERA, RAZOR LEAF!
No hero powers but nice idea
I think that was a pokemon reference....
Yes it was but.. He is cute
shaman you have more damage if you added a second brewmaster and a lighting bolt(to clear a brew master) rather then the double rockbitter. it would give leeroy 8 attack instead of 6
Dylan Regan 10 cards limit?
instead of double rockbiter, so you remove the rockbiters and put brewmaster and lightning bolt
Dr. MeeM Im taking out the 2 rockbiters for a brewmaster and a lighting bolt
snakehead4978 correct that give 8 attack which is better then 6
The bonemare cost 7 if he were returned. NO MANA
For mage, can't you play quest for an extra turn and extra time? I mean it's technically one for you
Day DReam The fireballs created by Antonidas count towards the quest.
I don't think millhouse would work for the second turn so he couldn't emulate infinite mana like that
@ForemostPanic62 Millhouses effect is still active according to the wiki
Loatheb and Millhouse Manastorm's effects remain active during extra turns granted by Time Warp,[4] but Ice Block's immunity will wear off when the extra turn starts.[5]
actually I thought of another reason he didn't do it ... lol it does say with no help from the turn before lol that's all I got
You'd have to complete the quest on that turnto get the card which would take most your turn and most of your hand. Plus random element of getting specific cards playable.
Blizzard: We do not want to see a lot of OTK in further add-ons.
HysteriA: I understand you!
love the warlock one
Too bad it doesn't work anymore with the new patch.
Ryan Wettschurack why? What did they nerfed?
Check the patch notes for 9.1.1
Man, whoever came up with these combos deserves some serious kudos! Fantastic to watch, those combos were amazing! My favorite was the Warlock combo! How creative and close can you get?! Well done again, HysteriA. Fantastic video as always from a seriously underrated twitch and yt channel! Well done!
5:21
RIP Penguin.
I cry every time !!
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AND THEY SAID TREACHERY WOULDN'T SEE PLAY
The ramp up from 9 to 5 was meh, 5 to 4 was decent, 4 to 3 was a lot, 3 to 2 was fucking crazy and number 1 I could not stop laughing.
The warlock's damage might have been meh, but the method was pretty damn creative.
And hunter dealt 18,2236393 times the damage of all other classes combined, if you were wondering. 51.3935592 times if you don't count priest. A true face master.
Eik Naur Jensen Not enough to kill a Control Warrior
+Eik Naur Jensen
Nah, not a true face master. The hunter screwed up. If you are a bit more tricky, you get at least 458754 damage (105.4 times the priests damage)
Kilian Stöpler please explain how.
+Eik Naur Jensen
Already wrote it as comment here, but the updated version:
Cards:
Gahz'rilla
Brann
Baron
Bonemare
Tentacle x2
Corpse Raiser
Explosive Shot
Feign Death
Tundra Rhino
Play Gahz'rilla, Brann, Baron and Bonemare -> 14/17 rilla.
Play Tentacle x2 and Corpse Raiser, targeting a tentacle.
Needed positioning: tentacle (without bonus deathrattle), Mare, Raiser.
Now Explo Bonemare and the fun begins, Corpse Raiser to 3/1, killing the mare and tentacle -> 2x 1 damage on all -> killing Raiser and 2nd tentacle[the one with raiser deathrattle]. This opens 4 slots for the deathrattle of the 2nd tentacle = 2x 1 damage followed by filling the 4 slots with 4 tentacles. 224/13 rilla and 1/3 baron.
Feign Death for 8 trigger (due Baron, killing him) + 4 dying (Baron wont double here)= 12 damage -> 917.504/1 rilla
Finally Rino and hit that sweet face.
Priest damage: 4352
Hunter damage: 917.504 + 2 from Rino
Paladin deals infinite damage with the dk card Kappa
SnoutBB no damage, kappa
You wanna get into technics? It doesnt deal damage boi, just destroys opponent. Like how sw pain on a acolyte of pain doesnt draw card. Math. Physics. Best 2/3. I win.
Magic Coat *KAPPA*
he said no hero power
MyLittleHecarim *KAPPA SAURUS FLEX*
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't old murkeye be better then stonetusk boar in the paladin one?
jh heuvel 'Dinosize : set a minion's health and attack to 10'. The minion doesnt matter, only thing better would a windfury charger (none in pally).
tristan carron bruh he buff himself when other murlocs are on the battlefield so more damage
Neither would be better. I made a comment describing the best Paly combo. It's somewhere in here.
Sorry, @Mate00. I didn't really think that one through. You're right, it is an improvement. No excuses, I messed up.
Crimson Hunter Whoops my bad, it would indeed be 6 more damage, I spent 5 minutes trying to find where the 'other murlocs' were.
Rules: no help from cards played (a turn) earlier.
You can not do that damage without 10x Taurissan buff.
It was to simulate infinite mana.
For paladin one use Murloc legendary instead of boar and you do more damage
It's minimal but still
Stonetusk is cool, and does just as much damage as any other avalible charge, as thats how dinosize works.
+Detective Cheese
You might want to read Old Murk-eye's effect..
Stubbari you might want to read the tag at the bottom of the card....
+Crimson Hunter
Umm, what?
Lol, I see you changed your original comment.
Well, I probably made that comment before I learned about murkeye here, but atleast im not editing it to pretend I did lol xD.
Blizzard should make a craftable only "8 Mana 1/1 Battlecry: Your opponent's minions cost 0 next turn" card for the sake of fun stuff like this.
That moment when u see that enemy is priest and u know that its gonia be big
The spells and minions are discounted to 0 (by millhouse and thaurissan, respectively), because of the infinite mana rule, for anyone thinking that this was cheating
Rexxar The Smorc King
The hunter BEGS to be optimized. I mean really? He is the original SMOrc and won't be satisfied until he beats the puny priest by at least a factor of 100!!!
Cards:
Gahz'rilla
Brann
Baron
Bonemare
Tentacle
Corpse Raiser
Grievous Bite (for style)
Explosive Shot
Feign Death
Tundra Rhino
Play Gahz'rilla, Brann, Baron and Bonemare -> 14/17 rilla, bonemare positioned next to rilla.
Play Tentacle on the other side of rilla and Corpse Raiser between rilla and mare, targeting the tentacle.
Now bite the Corpse Raiser, hitting rilla for 1 -> 3/1 Corpse Raiser, 28/16 rilla, tentacle with deathrattle summon 2 tentacles.
Explo Bonemare, killing the mare, Corpse Raiser and tentacle -> 2x 1 damage on all and the 4 now open slots are filled with tentacles. 112/14 rilla
Feign Death for 8 trigger (due Baron, killing him) + 4 dying (Baron wont double here)= 12 damage -> 458.752/2 rilla
Finally Rino and hit that sweet face.
Priest damage: 4352
Hunter damage: 458754
PS: does fatiguing the opponent counts?
Raffam should have replaced a bonemare in every single combo, it gives 2 spells becuse it brann and they are free so +20 instead of +8 and given the brewmasters, seems like most of them are wrong, even the deals 10 randomly is better than some spells unless it breaks the random rule. the board is empty so IDK but . so the warlock is the only one thats right otherwise, :/
"Deal 10 damage randomly split among all enemies."
Sounds pretty random to me but who am I to judge.
But yeah I agree. For example 1 Rafaam's Lantern would be better than Dinosize.
It's a discover which is a random effect. Thus it can not be used.
not random tho since there are only 3 options
Its not random since "discover" in this case ALWAYS yields the same result, always the same 3 cards. Which would turn it into a "choose one" instead of "discover" draw a card is random, beacuse its not always the same, even if you are guaranteed to get the right card, it still is random if it places last in the deck. With rafam, its not random, since you get the 3 same results. Kalimos (shaman ungoro legendary if that was the correct name) is a "choose one" effect too, but by the same logic as rafaam, could have been "discover"
It's a complicated matter. I would love if HysteriA would comment his thoughts. You wrote down arguments for you theory. Bravo! most people just say what they think without adding any explanation. (like ravi above you)
Mage: I have gone infinite!
Priest and Hunter: Pff, we can top that
Why don't you include Time Warp into Mage? More time = more damage.
If you include Time Warp you would have to get it through quest, since finishing quest for time warp counts as getting help from previous turns.
Edit: i forgot fireballs are created. i'm retarded. Yeah i wonder why he did not either
Martin Yu he probably considers it as 2 turns
Martin Yu Yeah so can replace one card with the 1 mana Mage quest and complete it on the same turn with fireballs.
When casting Velen's Chosen on Velen, he should say "If you want something done, do it yourself."
Glorious xD
Amazing video man, respect !!!!!!
Wouldn’t Druid do more damage if you drew into more spells like moonfire off of the draw from UI & starfall?
kane donaghy these videos use a max of 10 cards as that is the max hand size
also, drawing cards is a andom effect, and the rulse states "no random effects"
Correct me if I’m wrong, but couldn’t the Paladin OTK be higher damage if you used a bigger charger than Stonetusk Boar?
Sethers Nichols he is using dinosize so it makes the charger 10/10
Nope, dinosize *sets* a minions stats to 10/10, regardless of his initial stat-line.
He couldve Done more damage since he couldve used king krush for example and Thats 8 damage for 1 card and Maybe something like hammer of wrath Which is essentially 11 damage for 2 cards and the boar combo is 10 damage for 2 cards
you forget that he doubles the attack at the end. :D (10*2*2=40 ; 8*2*2+3=35)
Getting King Krush in the hand for a Paladin is random
does the "time warp" break the first rule or not?
idk if it is also "in 1 turn" by the effect of that
and maybe let mage have more time to deal damage?
Why the fireballs cost 0 ?
Used millhouse to simulate infinite mana.
Bomjag60 Millhouse manastorm dumbfuck
But the rules say no help from your opponent
because of Millhouse Manastorm played by his opponent last turn. AND IT'S NOT HELP FROM OPPONENT, because video called "damage with infinate mana"
+mandilozano
What part of "infinite mana" you don't understand?
You can do more with warlock. Instead of donating apothecary you donate a wrathguard with the same corpse raiser trick and shadowflame a massive void terror, beefing it up with Brann, the corpse raisers and Rafaam with +10/+10.
The example I came up with does 384, I have no idea if it's optimal:
Brann, Wrathguard, 2 Corpse Raiser, Treachery, Rafaam, 2 Void Terror, Shadow Bolt, Shadowflame, in that order on the obvious targets. 4 damage from shadowbolting the wrathguard, making 4 more, and then shadowflame the 95/95 void terror against a board of 4 wrathguards for 380.
No bm with hunter? Dislike.
Does playing Nozdormu near the end of the turn and then removing it not reset the rope anymore? Because if it does reset it, then Mage's would be much higher
Pretty sure you can get more damage out of rouge with vanish
I imagine he didn't do it because it would be hard to simulate infinite mana using vanish.
Good thinking.
Maybe one day we'll get Millificent Manastorm with Battlecry: Your opponent's minons cost (0) next turn. Or simply a sandbox mode. Until then we're limited by the normal game rules.
what's most damage from any class without any limitations? Allowing help from the opponent and help from cards from previous turns.
2,147,483,647
Missed 1 damage on rogue.
Came for the annual Ghazrilla combo.
Every class, 162 damages (more than the druid one):
-leeroy
-brann
-bonemare
-bonemare
-panda (on bonemare)
-bonemare again
-repeat this with the 4 pandas (you play 6 bonemare in total)
-faceless manipulator
-faceless manipulator
This combo needs exactly 10 neutral cards and you have 3 leeroy with 54 attacks each -> 162 dmg...
I count 10 minions while the board is capped for 7.
While this is true in theory, and some of these can go even higher with the panda bonemares, hystera can only work with what hearthstone allows him to.
Even if infinite mana would allow it, there is no way to simulate it as the bonemares go to 7 mana when bounced. Hysteria mainly showed the highest thats possible to actually show.
That and board limit is 7 minions. He chose 10 minions for his theory. No board space.
Bounced bonemare costs 7, you can't play more than 1 bonemare after bouncing it...
So is Rogues requirement that opponent hero has to be undamaged "help" or not? Otherwise I guess an evicerate instead of shadowstrike would be used?
Just so you dont have to read all the comments. They go like this
HAHA YOU CHEATED YOU USED MILLHOUSE GAY
and then there is a stream of comments saying about infinite mana.
Ha Peenes also mentions of how to improve the combos through technicalities and old murk eye.
does gang up and fatigue count?
Spiritsinger umbra + Baron Rivendare + dancing sword + Brann Bronzebeard + unearthed raptor x3 + shadowstep x2 + Eviscerate = 126 cards drawn
But mage can deal unlimited damage already 😐
The rules at the beginning invalidate Exodia Mage
its infinite mana not infinite time. You still only have 90 seconds
Weirdo O mage's damage limited by turn's time
false
She can have 2 turns doe with the quest
Actually isn't paladin infinite damage if we account for Uther DK hero power? (even if it's hero power...)
If we broke the rules and used Paladin's Hero Power he would still deal 0 damage because it's not dealing any damage it's just destroying.
FACE = ANNIHILATED
Can't you use nozdormu to start the turn timer again in mage deck? Is it fixed or something?
you have already done this video right?
MultiSpiderFish says 2017 dumbshit
Yeah, it's just a new version with new cards in the pool
Croxius yeah but not w/ infinite mana, you dumbshit
Why don't you shadowstep the shadowcaster ? Wouldn't it give you twice as much razorpetals ?
Didnt hero power on the hunter one 9:51
Rules, "no hero power"
This video is pure madness wtf. How many time do you take to make this?
You know mage has infinite damage right? (Read in most annoying voice ever)
-Patrik - you know you don't an infinite turn right? (Read in the most irritated voice ever)
Crimson Hunter when dealing with a theroritical infinite mana situation I don't think it would be out of line to assume infinite turn duration.
Lorkanthal if we're not talking about game limitations than rogue could've been higher up the list using vanish as well
9:28 "Trolden has disconnected"
"NURF HUNTER"
There are literally more comments bitching about the people who said millhouse was outside help than there are people who actually said millhouse was outside help. Out of ~700 comments, I found ~5 people who said millhouse was outside help. There were at least 50-60 people who commented about those 5ish people. Grow up people. 5 people made mistakes and were corrected in replies, you don't need to write a separate comment bitching too.
True
Most underrated comment
You need to if they keep bitching about millhouse after being proven wrong.
You dont always have to correct people who are wrong. Especially when 50 other people did it for you.
There is literally no harm in correcting people who are wrong. They just learn and they shouldn't get offended by it, unless the ones who are correcting are doing it in an offensive way. And I'm sure the people just didn't notice the other comments before correcting them.
Is shadow visions allowed? If yes, then priest can do more damage by discovering double hp for creature until the rope, and set it's attack equal to health in the end.
I don't know what part of "no random" you don't understand.
PLEASE stop with this damn sax song, IM SICK OF IT ALREADY!
it s your view of being sick. here check this little rhyme i made for you
I M IN CHARGE NOW
I M IN CHARGE NOW
I M IN CHARGE NOW
I M IN CHARGE NOW
Yep, im sick of pirates too, but its good there arent that many pirates anymore, i mean, its been a while since i played against a pirate warrior, i can only seem to find pirates on rogues nowadays, so thats good....
And taking that rhyme as an example, we've been having that for months now, and its finally changing, so how about change that DAMN SAX SONG?!
Leonardo Wustrow Heresy!
you demon! How dare you disrespect the Epic Sax Guy!
Yeah, if u have seen as many videos of hearthstone as i have, then u know that at least 90% of them have that damn song.... sure, at first it was nice, but now? Years have passed and that damn song STILL playing in almost every video, come on! I dont know about you, but when i listen to a song over and over again for so much time, i get really sick of it...
How could you damage your opponent when it says “no help from your opponent”?
Wouldn't you do more damage with Paladin if you replace stonetusk + dinosize with Leeroy + panda (for another bonemare buff)?
Yeah, but Panda doesn't give him the eight board slot for Bonemare.
Using rafaam instead of bonemare would gield higher dmg though, since it gives +20 atk instead of +8
+Riftborn
Through a "random" effect..
Stubbari oh yeah, you're right
What's the highest damage possible with infinite mana with hunter WITHOUT Gahzrilla?Like every year he wins because of that legendary.
But if you had two moonfires in the deck and drew them you would get more as druid?
"No random effects"
Drawing cards is random.
The warlock one took over 3 minutes of waiting for it to finish... wow
would the mage one have more damage if there was a second archmage instead of one of the maligos so you could cast fireballs faster?
It would probably be even slower, since you get 2 archmage animations to wait for every spell, and the turn is still jsut 90 secs.
Would it not be more efficient to double shadowstep the malygos and make another?
while using shadowstep on the shadow caster to make another malygos would provide a total of 30 damage, you would lose out on the otherwise 84 you get from the extra petals.
Wait, why no hero power? I'd love to know because If it's for priest couldn't you use the same rule as infinite fireballs? It seems worse if I'm honest.
For the Shaman, would it not be more damage to replace one of the bonemares with Rafaam?
For the shaman one, wasn't having a second brewmaster better than having a second rockbiter?
For one, rockbiter is a shaman card, hard for a druid to get hold of, and secondly, did you count for the extra board space brewmaster requires?
Oh yes, I didn't check the board space
with mage wouldn't it be better to replace one of the faceless with the mage quest? you can play it on the same turn as you finish it, so you almost double your damage. Not sure if its cheating tho.
There is a flaw in the druid one, druid can technically produce far more damage with hero attack buff cards being included in the mix(eg 2 claws, 2 bites, 2 savage roars, 2 feral rage, 2 gnash, and 2 moonfire) as druid is the only class in this list with such immense card draw potential(that hand draws 12 cards eg enough to grab every other damaging spell in druid) so the cards drawn should be included in this list
With those twelve additional card and the setup given on the board its come out to 68 more damage for druid 26 from hero buff and 42 from the two moonfires
also that additional 68 damage puts druid at an exact tie with shaman at 216 damage
6:34 In the paladin one: change Stonetusk Boar for Leeroy Jenkins, and Dinosize for Youthful Brewmaster #2. Leeroy starts as a 6/2, and using Brann + 4 Bonemares, he goes to 38/34. The final damage is then 456 (instead of 408).
And the max board limit is 8 minions, oh wait no it isn't...
I thought of this too. Sadly, board limit is too annoying.
xnick '4 bonemares'. Sounds like every one of my arena opponents. Fortunately, still decks limits in constructed.
if we have infinite mana, why not using leeroy instead of boar ?
Shouldn't the Warlock one use Felfire Potion, not Twisting Nether? It's the same effect but adds 5 damage.
so... druid could be higher no? there is no rule here about drawing into more cards that do damage, i understand it would be hard to capture but theoretically you could draw into more burn spells since you could draw last and have a full hand again.
pretty sure drawing counts as "random"
With this sort of videos, it would be cool/nice for you to do the highest damaging neutral combo too. I know it probably would not be very high damage count but it would still be nice to see. Keep up the good work!
How were the Razor Petals all getting reduced to 0?
At 07:00
It's wrong because you can play the quest and get a whole extra turn I just wanted to point that out.
why did you take the buffs on priest? Wasn't the 2 damage spell better?
Those 2 buffs casted created a total of 12 spell damage, that then get multiplied by velan.
In other words, those 2 buffs added 768 damage to every spell.
this may sound stupid, but how did he get the minions to cost 0?
Electerz probably emperor thaurissan on board for a few turns
is it possible for damage on the shaman one to be increased by using al akir instead of leeroy? That way the windfury card can be replaced with something else, like abusive, as al akir already has charge and windfury and getting a brann abusive onto al akir would put him at 7 attack, 1 higher than leeroy
The board is already full, and there is nothing there worth switching for an abusive.
Wouldnt Mage be much more with The Quest and an Extra turn?
Is there any reason why you used duskboar and no leeroy in pala?
Wouldn't Leeroy be more damage instead of Stonetusk Boar at Paladin?
+Icebear
Do the math and see. 1+Dinosize=10 attack. 6+Dinosize=10 attack.
May or may not have slightly forgotten how Dinosize work.
Icebear the legendary Murloc would do more damage
Why didn't you use class colours on every class rather than on only a few?
Wouldn't it be better to add more trigger for Gazhrilla? Like, I think would be even better than those 5 mana 3/3. Because from x attack two trigers will make 4x attack, and two duplicates will do just 3x.
Dark iron dwarf is better than rock biter weapon because it’s +4 attack instead of plus 3 attack with bran on the table
No room
But one lighting bolt and one brewmaster instead of rockbiters still works
Why use Stonetusk Boar for paladin? Wouldn't it be better to use a windfury minion instead?
Name one windfury+charge minion he could use.