Bill's father is such a breath of fresh air! So tired of hearing the parents or families of killers saying that they still love them and they forgive them. Pops was like, "what a fuckin disappointment I'm so ashamed of him, can't believe he's my son." And honestly, disappointment from a beloved family member may be worse than any jail sentence
Yep, that was refreshing. My father has passed but i know if i would have done something like that he would have wanted me on death row. He would have said the same thing, your not the son i raised.
Thank goodness for the stepmom. She is a good woman. She took over protecting those children. She could've just left them behind and walked out but she was a true hero.
She didn't take over protecting them. She was the first person in their lives to step up and protect them. Their mother knew that their dad was sexually abusing them and physically abusing them, and she did nothing about it. She stayed and kept her and her kids in that horrible, dangerous situation, and he ended up killing her. Thankfully the kids made it out alive, thanks to nobody else but their stepmom. I do give the grandparents credit for taking the kids and raising them, but their daughter really failed her kids by choosing not to protect them
@@silvers_ink it seemed that she realised he’d probably kill them all if she ran away with the kids and she was trying to find a way to leave safely while sadly not realising how close to death she already was
@@mandurahmum123 Let's look at the time frame of when the murders happened. The 1980s. A time where murders of women were at an all time high thanks to the numerous serial killers on the loose. This shows that men's mentality back then about women was very backward since most of the investigators didn't even bother investigating the cases since it was about prostitues and stuff, ultimately blaming women for the tiniest of things. Let's say Marlene had told the police, they would have taken it as a hoax and accused her of trying to run away with the children and take her husbands money (Women were considered gold-diggers even then). No one will believe that a father would do that to his own kids, hell, I've gone through the same thing and in my country it's almost taboo to even talk about it, with people calling someone like me brainwashed by media in order to get my parents arrested or something. Marlene knew their mindsets, so she chose to find a different way to get her kids out, but she got killed before she could. If the police didn't believe what was written in the diary where Marlene had clearly written that her son was molested, then why would they believe it coming from the woman's mouth herself? Marlene knew damn well they wouldn't
@@mandurahmum123Why are you ALL OVER this comment section, bad mouthing Marlene?? Stupid troll, get a life!! You are probably a friend of that monster!!
Also her brother tried to protect her. I am amazed that the cops were able to arrest that guy, after Pauline went to them. Also prouud of the old dad, who got his son to say just enough to prove he murdered Marlene.
Ikr she was lk not on my watch I bet he showed his true colors with her in some way cuz he seems to me lk he is abusive in one way or another with everyone he gets into a relationship with and he's a perve I hope he loves being on the other end of that kinda of abuse in jail cuz once they know what kind of abuse he was in jail for they don't let that go they could be murders yet would never hurt a child and they don't let that sh*t go ..
Right.. couldn’t they have atleast brought the diaries to cps or something and try to get the kids away from him. I’m baffled they read that and did nothing
There are some heros in this story! LaLana of course, her brother Donald, Bill's father, and Bill's second wife, the children's step-mother Pauline. It was remarkable that Pauline actually believed what the children said and called the police. If he had not been convicted of the child molestaion at that time this story would be even worse! Glen is also an interesting character, having been trusted to keep the diaries safe... reporting some other man's wife missing before the husband reported any absence. Brilliant video from the Unseen team, thank you. 😀
Glenn was her only friend that's how my parents met. My mother wasn't an emotionally abusive marriage she went to my dad because he was a friend from church to rest. And he gave her shelter when my mom's first husband kicked her out of the house because she wasn't bringing in any money. Do some up how bad he was towards my mom he went to his mom's house ate there and my mom was eating bacon grease sandwiches.
It’s refreshing that his father cooperated and got him to basically confess. “The no good son of a bitch id hang him myself if I could get my hands on him.” I’ve seen so many parents of killers defend their children lately in these true crime videos, it’s nice to see someone seeing that their son is evil and helping to catch him. I say this as a parent myself. I’m not saying he is a good dad or even a good person bc I don’t know him at all. But I’m sick of seeing parents go “it was an accident 🥺 my baby is innocent 😔 he didn’t mean to” For example, in folly beach SC, the case of the girl who was drunk (3x legal limit) going 65 in a 20 killing a bride and injuring 3 others. Her parents comforting her and telling her none of it is her fault and that she shouldn’t be sorry. Telling his daughter “bad things happen to good people”. I watched a video on it yesterday and it boiled my blood.
I actually shouted out loud when his dad said that! He is clearly a decent man who is disgusted with his son! What was the video you watched about the drunk girl, if you don't mind sharing?
@@laurenwest3090Mackenzie shrilla- Annie Elise from 10 to life did a really good video on it - it’s infuriating though, the girl who did it, her parents and especially the statement the mum gave to the court- absolutely blood boiling!
I missed something. The young 13 year old son tells 2nd. wife presumably about the sexual abuse and she calls the cops. He gets 15 years. Where was the proof? Did I miss something? He gets time on an unproved accusation? Can''t picture him confessing.
@@sleeplessinscotland9394 mhm! I watched the one by rotten mango (Stephanie Soo) but I love 10 to life too, she’s very kind and down to earth. I was absolute furious the entire time I was listening to her bullshit. I live in SC where this happened. Some people are trying to say she’s an alcoholic as an excuse and it extra infuriated me. Im a heroin and meth addict with almost 4 years clean and even I knew not to drive high because I knew I’d kill someone. I had my partner drive me if I needed to go somewhere. And even if I had and I’d killed someone, I’d NEVER blame the innocent people and say they shouldn’t have had a golf cart on the road. Here in sc there’s plenty of people who ride golf carts around and it’s not illegal except in main highways. They were in a 20mph zone so they were perfectly fine but SHE blames THEM for being in HER way. When she’s 3x the legal limit going 65 in a 30. Just absolutely horrific behavior from her and her parents. I can see where she got her spoiled behavior from
@@ash_tray absolutely - I never got a driving license when I was younger as I knew I liked to go for drinks spontaneously and it’d be too tempting to then drive, so I removed the option before I made a stupid drunk mistake. Now, i rarely drink and wouldn’t even consider it after just one drink. I knew I was too young, immature and impulsive to be trusted but I wasn’t stupid - if you can’t behave yourself and take something as dangerous as driving seriously and in her case to use it as an actual weapon you shouldn’t be anywhere near a car. She ruined so many lives that day, including her own and yet she’s playing the victim. When she said why is this happening to me I honestly shouted at my screen!
That poor father, he was so ashamed of the man he raised. Who knows what kind of father he was, but there’s really no way to avoid it if your kid is born a sociopath.
Was thinking the same. Also, the detail that Bill's mother knew what he had done and just kept quiet all those years. Definitely something very wrong with the family dynamic, whatever it was.
@@Flamencoistait was the maternal grandmother not the paternal grandmother lolollollll do you people not listen to it? She had no evidence so why traumatised the kids she’s raising by telling them about the murder before they’re of age and asking about it?
God rest her soul. Initially things got worse, but the little girl growing up must have been inspired from above and her mom determined to keep watching over her children. her precious mother thought she could end it right then.
You don’t think he would’ve found her and still did what he did? He as set on killing her sadly. She married a demon. And she didn’t know but she was brave for standing up for her kids.
@@nakedbarebear8090He was never that powerful. He wouldn't have found her, even back then, the DV system is like an underground railroad for escapees and survivors. Nowadays though the system to help women and their children escape is even more like a well oiled machine, victims just have to Google the number, make a call, and they'll get instructions on how to be as safe as they can be and escape if/and when they want to. They'll even get instructions on how to hide the call. Sometimes we'll even pick them up and take them to a safe house. Hell, we've even helped legally crafted entirely new identities for women and their children and helped them completely fall off the abuser's grid, in a couple of cases the abuser's couldn't find their victims despite having millions at his disposal or even being a member of law enforcement.
I’m so glad to hear of children telling an adult, especially a step parent, of the molestation and then doing something to stop it. And Glen, for keeping those diaries safe, what a true friend to her. What a good guy. And Bill. What a good grandfather to those kids. Good for him to not cover for his son.
he was a wonderful brother. the step mom must have been very caring and selfless. she just got married to the monster. he probably hadn't beaten her yet.
@@ultimatums1 obviously based on lack of coverage in teh documentary and praises from the people being interviewed. how do you know the brother deserves to have equal coverage in this documentary?
@@nicolaablett7790 The cops couldn't do anything or the court. They stated it in the video that the DIARY was vague and didn't give any solid details of events. It couldn't be presented in the court to convict him of any charges because it is considered HEARSAY.
@@jaysmith179something completely missed by all above (almost every comment) who rely only on emotion and don't pay attention to facts actually presented in the video.
Except for the fact that the cops knew what this freak was doing to his kids and did not, at the very least, send cps to do a thorough investigation. Same goes for the grandmother, I don’t care if that was her son: how do you deprive your grandbabies from the truth and just live on?! Other than that, I’m also glad that the stepmom and the grandfather didn’t take this monsters’ side.
@@everrgreen122that was Marlene’s mother lol. She wanted to protect the kids from the truth because they had no fucking evidence. She raised the grandchildren, which is a big sacrifice, so don’t tell me she isn’t a heroine.
The young brother had a lot of guts, to go to Pauline & tell her must have been a big gamble for him, because being a step mum she could have easily told the moster of a father what the young boy had said, instead of ringing the police. So she deserves a lot of recognition also. What an evil evil person this "thing" (he is neither a man or a father) pure bloody evil, & gutless to murder a woman by shooting her, to sexual abusing the children, & lying to them all their lives about their mother, just a coward that hid behind lie's & threats to innocent children. I'm glad the dad of the monster, rang & helped the police too. God bless each one of this family BUT not the "thing" Perhaps the devil will look after his own, eventually! Sad story.
If somebody's loved one goes missing and a few days later the other person moves out of state, there's a 98% chance they know they're never coming back because they killed em.
It should have been clear from those diaries. I know they said they are taken as hearsay, but why they let him move out with the children if there was a chance it was him and he was abusive?
What a story!! What that children had to endure for years is mind blowing. What is remarkable is the soft way Lalana talks, without cussing, without bitterness but with strength and yes, there are a lot of heroes in this story as 1 fellow crime watcher rightfully mentioned. Greetings from South Africa
the diary heavily implies he sexually abused his son and police didn t even ask the son about it? I mean that case could have been solved way earlier.. or at least the father could have been punished for the sexual abuse way earlier.
@@mainexx1352 True, but I think saitamab (the op commenter) was questioning why they didn't interview the son himself about it. And not about convicting him on the diary notes.
When the second wife comes into the picture I was devastated. My mind went straight to she’s going hurt those babies too😢 Because he’s a monster I thought who would date him? Another bad person 🤷🏻♀️ I’m so grateful I was wrong but I’m more grateful she was a great stepmom. She had to be caring and loving because the brother trusted her with a deadly secret. Bill would have killed his children. Thank you who ever you’re and may god bless you always 🙏🏼
I LIVE for the Victim's side of the story. We as a part of the true crime community should support more creators like Unseen and focus on the victim, not the killer. Everyone wants to focus on why they did it, but these stories with the victim's statements and testimonies REALLY makes it clear why people would do such horrible things. These videos not only show the whole truth, but they shine the light on the victims and spotlight where they are now. I adore this content, and the support you guys show for those affected.
Going in to this story with just the phone call was crazy. The story telling from start to finish was so good. Once we came full circle, it gave me chills to hear the phone call again knowing it was the grandpa speaking with his son. Thank you for telling her story and for the amazing content. ❤
This story is life giving. I was a victim of beatings and molestation myself. It's so amazing to see a mother and bonus points a step mother and grandfather out there protecting kids. I work with CASA/GAL as a foster care advocate. The number of cases where no one cares is astounding. Thank God for good foster families.
This is absolutely heartbreaking. Those poor children had to endure their father's abuse while not even knowing their mother was dead. I cried when they got justice for their mother. I wish them all the best in life, I just wish that monster would've been brought to justice sooner. I love how the grandfather said his own son didn't deserve to breathe the air and was disgustingly ashamed of his actions by saying I can't believe my own son would do such a thing.
I can't believe this channel doesn't have several million subscribers. The production value is great, the stories are varied and compelling, the narration is smooth and compassionate. It really is one of the very best true crime channels out there!
Perhaps it’s because he’s using other content to make his videos??? I have seen all of these interactions with the family members before on another show but not sure what show it was. This channel has taken them and added his narration of the events and has done a good job of it I will admit that.
now that u mention it. i clicked the video through recommendations so i didnt know what channel this was. i honestly thought it was narrated and put together by a big company like investigation discovery :O
@@jacobhendrickson8935I am curious if he gets the rights and permission for every single one of these videos that he is using someone else’s content? He would have too I think
Lalana there is living proof of just how much your Mom loved you and that is your spirit and your tenacity in bringing her killer to justice because no one who's Mom didn't love them would have the capacity and strength to do that, way to go girl, I'm sure she would be proud as punch of her exceptional daughter, Bravo!
Those poor kids. It breaks your heart to know that many children go through similar situations day after day. Each day is a challenge to survive the day with the least amount of damage. I hope the now adults have found some peace in life.
I truly expected the stepmom to be like one of those pickme women we hear about in child abuse cases. That she would go snitch to dad and join the abuse. But no, she freaking called the cops on her husband. Pauline, you rule.
Its hearsay because theres no one to attest it indeed is that persons diary & they wrote those things. The police didnt even find it amongst her personal things, a 3rd party brought it in. Alot of ppl have faked other ppls diary entries to suit them
Why do the justice system always release sex offenders out early?!, when he was sentenced to serve 15 years, he was let out after just serving 11 and then he went on to commit more sexual crimes, which would have never have happened if he was still behind bars!, the only good thing the child abuser ever did was to finally pass away in 2018, good riddance to bad rubbish, l say. RIP Marlene.🙁🙏
If he was jailed in Rhode Rhode Island, there is (was?) a “good behavior” law. Shockingly, child predators don’t offend in adult prisons where children aren’t allowed, so years get knocked off their sentences. There is a famous case there of a young guy who was assaulting and consuming young children who got released in his 50’s for “good behavior”. Hopefully the law was repealed or modified.
As a parent and a decent human being, I just can't wrap my head around the fact that there are parents that hurt their children in this way or in anyway. The fact that some parents abuse their kids sexually, physically, verbally and some even kill them, I just don't understand. I can't imagine hurting anyone (unless in defense of someone I love) let alone my own child. I applaud the stepmom for immediately taking action when Donald told her what was happening. They didn't say much about her but I have a feeling that she was a good woman. Something about her made Donald feel safe enough to open up to her. Lalana was absolutely amazing as well. She worked so hard to get justice for her mom ❤️ Also, absolutely loved what Bill's dad had to say about him and point blank told him "I can't believe I raised a son like you" you could hear the disgust and disappointment in his voice
The best part of this was when his father stated in no uncertain terms how he felt about his son. As serious and sad as this story is i laughed out loud when he said that ! Good for him ! So often the parents will say what a good man he was and such a loving dad ,etc. He spoke the truth without any hesitation !!! Did my heart good !
You tell these 😂stories so respectfully. I feel awful for Marlene, children and family. Rip angel 🕊🌹🍂 Sending prayers. Thank you for this upload. God bless 👑🙏🕊💜💜💜
Marlene, Llelana, the step mom Pauline, and the grandfather, and the handyman are all heroes! There are some people in this world that are absolute evil, and that man is one of them. I’m so glad Justice was finally served to him, and I pray it has brought Marlene’s children closure.
I'm so glad the stepmom believed the kids and didn't hesitate to do something for the kids, and then the killers father. I feel bad for him, but as feisty as he still is, I know he can't believe he raised such a heartless bastard, and he wants something done about it.
Thank god for the decent people in this case who went against this man. His dad, the step mum and lalana who didn't give up on her mum, even with all the lies
The stepmom saved the kids and Bill's dad helped deliver justice and he didn't let the fact that it was his son stop him, he was shocked that someone he raised could be such a monster. Thank goodness the family has received closer and got justice for Marlene.
You guys really know how to cover a case incredibly well. The titles are catchy and pique one’s interest without being empty click bait. Subscribed for quality content ❤
BEST channel!!'these video's is are well done and the shorter length is perfect, I can watch 3 in the time it takes others to tell one story full of filler for length, and so I always choose this channel for my true crime fix!!! thanks for the uploads!!!
It only takes one bad apple. If you took Bill out of the equation they would have been a great FAMILY. Blll's dad openly showed his disgust over his son's behavior. It seems their grandmother stepped up when dad went to jail. There are multiple heroes in this story but one nasty villain held everyone hostage for years .
Bills dad is awesome! He definitely helped solve this case too! This is 1 story the stepmom was actually a good woman for turning him in too. What a story! Sucks so much the kids had to grow up without their mama tho 😥😥 Lelanas determination was amazing! Your videos are absolutely amazing! You are definitely 1 of my Favorites! 💞
I never understand the 'good behaviour' thing, he hurt his kids, keep him locked up. It anger me that the police knew he was hurting them and did nothing, they should have found something to get him, not just leave them to be hurt
A family of warriors against a psychopath. Every one of them fought him as hard as they could - even his own father. Grandpa was awesome and Lalana is a testament to her mother’s love. They’re all amazing. Their stepmom is equally heroic.
I was first exposed to this case when I saw the tail-end of the Forensic Files episode on my parents’ old, ‘80s-era TV in our basement. I was only about ten at the time, but Marlene’s beautiful smile lingered in my memories, along with the fact that she was the victim of mariticide. I have the utmost respect for LaLana and the investigators who helped close the case.
I feel sorry for the paternal grandad as well for his having to acknowledge he raised a monster. Kudos Lalana's children and to the stepmother for believing them. They are all heroes. RIP lovely lady.
The siblings look so much like each other & both look very much like their mom espacily when they smile & /or grin! They are so strong & brave, her brother for finding the courage to tell their step-mom.
Really? She caught her husband smexually abusing her children, stayed with him for another year, and then was literally in the process of leaving her children and driving off to leave him when he killed her. Are u nuts ?
It's sickening. As any mentally-healthy parent can attest, they would do anything to protect their children, including take a bullet for them. We wouldn't hesitate even a split second to protect our children. It's beyond baffling (and utterly heart-breaking) to know there are 'parents' out there who actively bring harm to their children.
I know… I recently read about the dad that executed his 3 young boys (all under 10) in their back yard and I felt so sick. I gave my son a big hug after I picked him up from school. I can’t fathom hurting my son 😢 But there are parents out there that would.
I really wish i would have not found your channel until TODAY.... Because I've watched EVERY episode, and want MORE!!!! lol GREAT JOB! 😋 I, of all people, understand how hard you work....
Several heroes here. First off of course the daughter. Second the stepmom for believing the kids right away and taking action. Third to Peepaw. He closed the damn case with a phone call. So many people came together to finally get Justice for these children and their mother 💙💚
I love that you can say openly that you are a man and you cry over these videos! We as a society need to get over the idea that men shouldn’t cry. Personally, the more emotionally available and open a man is the sexier they are. Crying is good for the soul! ❤
I always get a little more excited when i get a notification you've got a new video out, than i do my other subscriptions.! Yours are more like a tv documentary and are so well put together. Im just watching on my tablet as i cook our tea. Loking forward to it! 😊. You deserve many more subs! And im sure youll get them. Thanks unseen! ❤ from the UK 🥰
And the worlds best daughter award goes to…. joking aside, Lalana is incredible and a truly incredible person, she never gave up and that’s amazing 👏👏👏
Bro this case is such a whiplash in a good and bad way like let’s start with the praise cause wow the step-mom!, the dad of the killer! The “children”! They’re all such great examples of humanity but WHAT their maternal grandmother knew her Child was murdered by their father but never said anything? Im confused what is grandmas deal did she mean that she always knew she was dead but couldn’t do anything please this be the case because that’s so tragic
In what world is it more suspicious an affair partner reports a woman missing after 2 days, than her husband whom she lives with/Dad of her 2 small kids _not_ reporting her missing?? The police failures here are nothing short of criminal. I’m truly in awe of the survivors Lalana & Donald. Their story in several ways reminds me of Collier Landry. I wish Lalana and Donald nothing but happiness, peace, love, joy, and a feeling of safety & belonging the rest of their lives.
It came over in the video as though the police pretty much thought he did it and he was the primary suspect, but they couldn't prosecute the murder because no evidence and not knowing if she was actually murdered. I still think they could have interviewed the son based on the abuse mentioned in the diary, at least getting the children away from the father. But it's unlikely he could have been convicted for murder at that time.
So proud of Lalana for continuing to fight for truth and justice for her mother! I’m so sorry that she and Donald didn’t get to grow up with their mom. I’m also very proud of Pauline for doing the right thing for those kids when Donald told her everything.
Bill's father is such a breath of fresh air! So tired of hearing the parents or families of killers saying that they still love them and they forgive them. Pops was like, "what a fuckin disappointment I'm so ashamed of him, can't believe he's my son." And honestly, disappointment from a beloved family member may be worse than any jail sentence
Agree
Yep, that was refreshing. My father has passed but i know if i would have done something like that he would have wanted me on death row. He would have said the same thing, your not the son i raised.
My family is Italian, I hope beyond life itself that the cops got to me first.
Nah jail is way worse
Walahi! The guy was like uhhhh you can’t be mine
Thank goodness for the stepmom. She is a good woman. She took over protecting those children. She could've just left them behind and walked out but she was a true hero.
She didn't take over protecting them. She was the first person in their lives to step up and protect them. Their mother knew that their dad was sexually abusing them and physically abusing them, and she did nothing about it. She stayed and kept her and her kids in that horrible, dangerous situation, and he ended up killing her. Thankfully the kids made it out alive, thanks to nobody else but their stepmom. I do give the grandparents credit for taking the kids and raising them, but their daughter really failed her kids by choosing not to protect them
@@silvers_ink it seemed that she realised he’d probably kill them all if she ran away with the kids and she was trying to find a way to leave safely while sadly not realising how close to death she already was
You understand NOTHING. @@silvers_ink
honestly what an ignorant thing to say and not only ignorant but unbelievably insensitive..@@silvers_ink
@@silvers_inkyour pathetic! She died trying to save them, protect them and remove them!
The grandfather, stepmom, brother, and daughter are all heroes, as is Marlene herself.
Marlene should have contacted the police when she knew what was happening instead she stayed for a year. She is no hero
@@mandurahmum123 Let's look at the time frame of when the murders happened. The 1980s. A time where murders of women were at an all time high thanks to the numerous serial killers on the loose. This shows that men's mentality back then about women was very backward since most of the investigators didn't even bother investigating the cases since it was about prostitues and stuff, ultimately blaming women for the tiniest of things. Let's say Marlene had told the police, they would have taken it as a hoax and accused her of trying to run away with the children and take her husbands money (Women were considered gold-diggers even then). No one will believe that a father would do that to his own kids, hell, I've gone through the same thing and in my country it's almost taboo to even talk about it, with people calling someone like me brainwashed by media in order to get my parents arrested or something. Marlene knew their mindsets, so she chose to find a different way to get her kids out, but she got killed before she could. If the police didn't believe what was written in the diary where Marlene had clearly written that her son was molested, then why would they believe it coming from the woman's mouth herself? Marlene knew damn well they wouldn't
@@mandurahmum123Why are you ALL OVER this comment section, bad mouthing Marlene?? Stupid troll, get a life!! You are probably a friend of that monster!!
Woman were treated way different back then. Though Woman were supposed to have rights children too. For the most part it was ignored.
@@mandurahmum123IT WAS FKN KENTUCKY!!! Which, obviously, you’re not from.
I commend Pauline for believing those kids!! What a win for a tragic story. Actually so many heroes in this one, especially Llalana
Exactly!
Also her brother tried to protect her. I am amazed that the cops were able to arrest that guy, after Pauline went to them. Also prouud of the old dad, who got his son to say just enough to prove he murdered Marlene.
Pauline found out what type of Monster he was .
Ikr she was lk not on my watch I bet he showed his true colors with her in some way cuz he seems to me lk he is abusive in one way or another with everyone he gets into a relationship with and he's a perve I hope he loves being on the other end of that kinda of abuse in jail cuz once they know what kind of abuse he was in jail for they don't let that go they could be murders yet would never hurt a child and they don't let that sh*t go ..
And Bill's father too
The cops knowing what he was doing to those kids because of the diary and not even investigating it..... Disgusting.
Many police are corrupt!
Right.. couldn’t they have atleast brought the diaries to cps or something and try to get the kids away from him. I’m baffled they read that and did nothing
They were probably doing the same thing to their families behind closed doors, just look at the insanely high DV statistics on law enforcement.
You have to fight the urge to generalize! Good luck 🤞
@@laurenS94was probably acceptable to them because their the same.
There are some heros in this story! LaLana of course, her brother Donald, Bill's father, and Bill's second wife, the children's step-mother Pauline. It was remarkable that Pauline actually believed what the children said and called the police. If he had not been convicted of the child molestaion at that time this story would be even worse! Glen is also an interesting character, having been trusted to keep the diaries safe... reporting some other man's wife missing before the husband reported any absence. Brilliant video from the Unseen team, thank you. 😀
Glenn was her only friend that's how my parents met. My mother wasn't an emotionally abusive marriage she went to my dad because he was a friend from church to rest. And he gave her shelter when my mom's first husband kicked her out of the house because she wasn't bringing in any money. Do some up how bad he was towards my mom he went to his mom's house ate there and my mom was eating bacon grease sandwiches.
@@freedomcat Thank you for your interesting reply. So nice that he would give women in difficult situations shelter without exploiting them. 💗
@@solitairestarr5516 he was a kind person who himself was in an abusive marriage.
It’s refreshing that his father cooperated and got him to basically confess. “The no good son of a bitch id hang him myself if I could get my hands on him.” I’ve seen so many parents of killers defend their children lately in these true crime videos, it’s nice to see someone seeing that their son is evil and helping to catch him. I say this as a parent myself. I’m not saying he is a good dad or even a good person bc I don’t know him at all. But I’m sick of seeing parents go “it was an accident 🥺 my baby is innocent 😔 he didn’t mean to”
For example, in folly beach SC, the case of the girl who was drunk (3x legal limit) going 65 in a 20 killing a bride and injuring 3 others. Her parents comforting her and telling her none of it is her fault and that she shouldn’t be sorry. Telling his daughter “bad things happen to good people”. I watched a video on it yesterday and it boiled my blood.
I actually shouted out loud when his dad said that! He is clearly a decent man who is disgusted with his son! What was the video you watched about the drunk girl, if you don't mind sharing?
@@laurenwest3090Mackenzie shrilla- Annie Elise from 10 to life did a really good video on it - it’s infuriating though, the girl who did it, her parents and especially the statement the mum gave to the court- absolutely blood boiling!
I missed something. The young 13 year old son tells 2nd. wife presumably about the sexual abuse and she calls the cops. He gets 15 years. Where was the proof? Did I miss something? He gets time on an unproved accusation? Can''t picture him confessing.
@@sleeplessinscotland9394 mhm! I watched the one by rotten mango (Stephanie Soo) but I love 10 to life too, she’s very kind and down to earth. I was absolute furious the entire time I was listening to her bullshit. I live in SC where this happened.
Some people are trying to say she’s an alcoholic as an excuse and it extra infuriated me. Im a heroin and meth addict with almost 4 years clean and even I knew not to drive high because I knew I’d kill someone. I had my partner drive me if I needed to go somewhere. And even if I had and I’d killed someone, I’d NEVER blame the innocent people and say they shouldn’t have had a golf cart on the road. Here in sc there’s plenty of people who ride golf carts around and it’s not illegal except in main highways. They were in a 20mph zone so they were perfectly fine but SHE blames THEM for being in HER way. When she’s 3x the legal limit going 65 in a 30. Just absolutely horrific behavior from her and her parents. I can see where she got her spoiled behavior from
@@ash_tray absolutely - I never got a driving license when I was younger as I knew I liked to go for drinks spontaneously and it’d be too tempting to then drive, so I removed the option before I made a stupid drunk mistake. Now, i rarely drink and wouldn’t even consider it after just one drink. I knew I was too young, immature and impulsive to be trusted but I wasn’t stupid - if you can’t behave yourself and take something as dangerous as driving seriously and in her case to use it as an actual weapon you shouldn’t be anywhere near a car. She ruined so many lives that day, including her own and yet she’s playing the victim. When she said why is this happening to me I honestly shouted at my screen!
That poor father, he was so ashamed of the man he raised. Who knows what kind of father he was, but there’s really no way to avoid it if your kid is born a sociopath.
Was thinking the same. Also, the detail that Bill's mother knew what he had done and just kept quiet all those years. Definitely something very wrong with the family dynamic, whatever it was.
@@Flamencoistait was the maternal grandmother not the paternal grandmother lolollollll do you people not listen to it? She had no evidence so why traumatised the kids she’s raising by telling them about the murder before they’re of age and asking about it?
The dad clearly had no connection with him anyways so i have no doubt it was easy
@@Flamencoista it was marlenes mother, but there was no evidence so she couldnt do anything
Well written and true
Their mother if she sees them now. She must be so so proud of her children for what they have done.
God rest her soul. Initially things got worse, but the little girl growing up must have been inspired from above and her mom determined to keep watching over her children. her precious mother thought she could end it right then.
Sexual abuse is the worst kind of abuse any child can endure, especially at the hands of your so called protector! Big disappointment...😞
Yes it is indeed it makes u carry a shame around ur self for ever when u know it's really them that should feel shame
@@angelagarutti6118 100%
i can't believe he did it that to both of them. it damages our souls. in the 60's there was not a spotlight on pædophilia like there is today.
It absolutely is, @TsAudrey, having "been there, done that, & bought the t-shirt", so to speak!
Issa mega oof
Never threaten an abuser. Just pack up and go!!!
Your advise is one of the best I ever heard. I think the same.
You don’t think he would’ve found her and still did what he did? He as set on killing her sadly. She married a demon. And she didn’t know but she was brave for standing up for her kids.
@@nakedbarebear8090He was never that powerful. He wouldn't have found her, even back then, the DV system is like an underground railroad for escapees and survivors. Nowadays though the system to help women and their children escape is even more like a well oiled machine, victims just have to Google the number, make a call, and they'll get instructions on how to be as safe as they can be and escape if/and when they want to. They'll even get instructions on how to hide the call. Sometimes we'll even pick them up and take them to a safe house. Hell, we've even helped legally crafted entirely new identities for women and their children and helped them completely fall off the abuser's grid, in a couple of cases the abuser's couldn't find their victims despite having millions at his disposal or even being a member of law enforcement.
@@nakedbarebear8090 that is certainly possible, yes. Maybe it would've just been a little harder for him to be able to do it
....and watch your back while you're doing it😔😔😔😔
I’m so glad to hear of children telling an adult, especially a step parent, of the molestation and then doing something to stop it.
And Glen, for keeping those diaries safe, what a true friend to her. What a good guy.
And Bill. What a good grandfather to those kids. Good for him to not cover for his son.
What a brave and faithful daughter. You are a hero and you are a great example to all of us. Thank you.
he was a wonderful brother. the step mom must have been very caring and selfless. she just got married to the monster. he probably hadn't beaten her yet.
@@ultimatums1her brother saved them by telling the stepmother
@@ultimatums1 I mean, the daughter seems to be the main person pursuing justice, so the documentary covered her role. Not really a competition lol
@@ultimatums1 obviously based on lack of coverage in teh documentary and praises from the people being interviewed. how do you know the brother deserves to have equal coverage in this documentary?
@@ultimatums1 let’s compete over who gets to win our adoration in this murder case! Yay your life is so fulfilling!
Bill's father is a real one, his little giggle at his son getting caught was everything
"He don't deserve to breathe the air!"
Jim Major is also a hero here. To go against his son when so many parents would just go into denial
3:10 sorry cops.. it's a little weird that someone else reported it, but it's WAY WEIRDER that the husband didn't report it first.
How could they not follow up on the diary entries
@@nicolaablett7790 I know right? There's literally, allegations of SA on kids in there.
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@@nicolaablett7790 The cops couldn't do anything or the court. They stated it in the video that the DIARY was vague and didn't give any solid details of events. It couldn't be presented in the court to convict him of any charges because it is considered HEARSAY.
@@jaysmith179something completely missed by all above (almost every comment) who rely only on emotion and don't pay attention to facts actually presented in the video.
Major probs to the creep's dad for not supporting his son's behavior and helping nab him!
Yeah now that's a dad you can be PROUD of!!👍👍👍👍 Not letting any love he may have for his son count as more important than justice for his victims.
I loved it when the paper said that he wanted his son to get the death sentences.
Not really, i dont think the father had any care for his son and quite frankly shows his parenting.
@@Janet-xb4jg Was he supposed to let his son get away with it? Wth?
@@Janet-xb4jgHe held his son to account. Better than most of what we see in today's excuse-culture.
The love that the mother and those two siblings had for each other is truly amazing.
Props to the stepmom for siding with the kids. Props to pops too! This is a great case. Great justice. Satisfactory.
Except for the fact that the cops knew what this freak was doing to his kids and did not, at the very least, send cps to do a thorough investigation. Same goes for the grandmother, I don’t care if that was her son: how do you deprive your grandbabies from the truth and just live on?! Other than that, I’m also glad that the stepmom and the grandfather didn’t take this monsters’ side.
@@everrgreen122 ya I guess I kinda overlooked that part at that point of commenting.
@@everrgreen122that was Marlene’s mother lol. She wanted to protect the kids from the truth because they had no fucking evidence. She raised the grandchildren, which is a big sacrifice, so don’t tell me she isn’t a heroine.
She wasn’t protecting her son because she’s Marlene’s mother.
@@everrgreen122they clearly said maternal grandmother
The young brother had a lot of guts, to go to Pauline & tell her must have been a big gamble for him, because being a step mum she could have easily told the moster of a father what the young boy had said, instead of ringing the police. So she deserves a lot of recognition also. What an evil evil person this "thing" (he is neither a man or a father) pure bloody evil, & gutless to murder a woman by shooting her, to sexual abusing the children, & lying to them all their lives about their mother, just a coward that hid behind lie's & threats to innocent children. I'm glad the dad of the monster, rang & helped the police too. God bless each one of this family BUT not the "thing" Perhaps the devil will look after his own, eventually!
Sad story.
The grandfather and that step mom! Thank you for helping these children🙏🏼
If somebody's loved one goes missing and a few days later the other person moves out of state, there's a 98% chance they know they're never coming back because they killed em.
It should have been clear from those diaries. I know they said they are taken as hearsay, but why they let him move out with the children if there was a chance it was him and he was abusive?
What a story!! What that children had to endure for years is mind blowing. What is remarkable is the soft way Lalana talks, without cussing, without bitterness but with strength and yes, there are a lot of heroes in this story as 1 fellow crime watcher rightfully mentioned. Greetings from South Africa
What a gutsy woman. I wish her a happy life.
All any cold case needs is one person that just won’t quit. I’m very proud of LaLana. The guy deserves to be in prison for ever.
the diary heavily implies he sexually abused his son and police didn t even ask the son about it? I mean that case could have been solved way earlier.. or at least the father could have been punished for the sexual abuse way earlier.
Because the diary didn't tell exactly what he do , it's not specific thats why they can't convict him.
@@mainexx1352 True, but I think saitamab (the op commenter) was questioning why they didn't interview the son himself about it. And not about convicting him on the diary notes.
When the second wife comes into the picture I was devastated. My mind went straight to she’s going hurt those babies too😢 Because he’s a monster I thought who would date him? Another bad person 🤷🏻♀️
I’m so grateful I was wrong but I’m more grateful she was a great stepmom. She had to be caring and loving because the brother trusted her with a deadly secret. Bill would have killed his children.
Thank you who ever you’re and may god bless you always 🙏🏼
I LIVE for the Victim's side of the story. We as a part of the true crime community should support more creators like Unseen and focus on the victim, not the killer. Everyone wants to focus on why they did it, but these stories with the victim's statements and testimonies REALLY makes it clear why people would do such horrible things. These videos not only show the whole truth, but they shine the light on the victims and spotlight where they are now. I adore this content, and the support you guys show for those affected.
What a true hero this daughter is! I'm in awe!
Going in to this story with just the phone call was crazy. The story telling from start to finish was so good. Once we came full circle, it gave me chills to hear the phone call again knowing it was the grandpa speaking with his son. Thank you for telling her story and for the amazing content. ❤
This story is life giving. I was a victim of beatings and molestation myself. It's so amazing to see a mother and bonus points a step mother and grandfather out there protecting kids. I work with CASA/GAL as a foster care advocate. The number of cases where no one cares is astounding. Thank God for good foster families.
This is absolutely heartbreaking. Those poor children had to endure their father's abuse while not even knowing their mother was dead. I cried when they got justice for their mother. I wish them all the best in life, I just wish that monster would've been brought to justice sooner. I love how the grandfather said his own son didn't deserve to breathe the air and was disgustingly ashamed of his actions by saying I can't believe my own son would do such a thing.
His father is a really good man for helping the police ❤️
I can't believe this channel doesn't have several million subscribers. The production value is great, the stories are varied and compelling, the narration is smooth and compassionate. It really is one of the very best true crime channels out there!
I was reading your comment thinking 'exactly! I agree!'
Then when I checked, I wasn't actually subscribed myself ha! Now I am 😄
Perhaps it’s because he’s using other content to make his videos??? I have seen all of these interactions with the family members before on another show but not sure what show it was. This channel has taken them and added his narration of the events and has done a good job of it I will admit that.
@@jacobhendrickson8935 Fair point!
now that u mention it. i clicked the video through recommendations so i didnt know what channel this was. i honestly thought it was narrated and put together by a big company like investigation discovery :O
@@jacobhendrickson8935I am curious if he gets the rights and permission for every single one of these videos that he is using someone else’s content? He would have too I think
This just proves that you never confront the person that is abusing you. Just get gone! After that you can do what needs doing!
Lalana there is living proof of just how much your Mom loved you and that is your spirit and your tenacity in bringing her killer to justice because no one who's Mom didn't love them would have the capacity and strength to do that, way to go girl, I'm sure she would be proud as punch of her exceptional daughter, Bravo!
Kudos to Pauline. A wonderful step mother!
Horrific. Poor, poor children, and mom.
Those poor kids. It breaks your heart to know that many children go through similar situations day after day. Each day is a challenge to survive the day with the least amount of damage. I hope the now adults have found some peace in life.
Bill’s dad is awesome. Nothing peeves me more than denying somebody’s a murderer
I truly expected the stepmom to be like one of those pickme women we hear about in child abuse cases. That she would go snitch to dad and join the abuse. But no, she freaking called the cops on her husband. Pauline, you rule.
Unseen, you do a wonderful job telling these stories, and your voice is sooo nice and pleasant to listen to. I'm glad I found your channel!
How can what is written in someone's personal journal be considered hearsay? It's literally in their own words
At least you paid attendance asked the appropriate questions.
Most simply overlooked the hearsay issue. It was the case law of the time.
Its hearsay because theres no one to attest it indeed is that persons diary & they wrote those things. The police didnt even find it amongst her personal things, a 3rd party brought it in. Alot of ppl have faked other ppls diary entries to suit them
What a beautiful young woman! Never giving up to find out what happened to her mom! God bless her and her brother, I pray they find healing 🙏❤
You kinda look like Voldemort.
@@anonuser600 What is wrong with you?
The stepmom, the grandpa, and Lalana are all heroes in my eyes. Bless them. 🙌
And Donald
God bless the children that they were at the hands of a true monster. God bless the adults they've become. So glad they finally caught him.
Why do the justice system always
release sex offenders out early?!,
when he was sentenced to serve 15
years, he was let out after just serving 11 and then he went on to
commit more sexual crimes, which would have never have happened if he was still behind bars!, the only
good thing the child abuser ever did was to finally pass away in 2018,
good riddance to bad rubbish, l say.
RIP Marlene.🙁🙏
If he was jailed in Rhode Rhode Island, there is (was?) a “good behavior” law. Shockingly, child predators don’t offend in adult prisons where children aren’t allowed, so years get knocked off their sentences. There is a famous case there of a young guy who was assaulting and consuming young children who got released in his 50’s for “good behavior”. Hopefully the law was repealed or modified.
As a parent and a decent human being, I just can't wrap my head around the fact that there are parents that hurt their children in this way or in anyway. The fact that some parents abuse their kids sexually, physically, verbally and some even kill them, I just don't understand. I can't imagine hurting anyone (unless in defense of someone I love) let alone my own child. I applaud the stepmom for immediately taking action when Donald told her what was happening. They didn't say much about her but I have a feeling that she was a good woman. Something about her made Donald feel safe enough to open up to her. Lalana was absolutely amazing as well. She worked so hard to get justice for her mom ❤️ Also, absolutely loved what Bill's dad had to say about him and point blank told him "I can't believe I raised a son like you" you could hear the disgust and disappointment in his voice
The best part of this was when his father stated in no uncertain terms how he felt about his son. As serious and sad as this story is i laughed out loud when he said that ! Good for him ! So often the parents will say what a good man he was and such a loving dad ,etc. He spoke the truth without any hesitation !!! Did my heart good !
I genuinely love that father(Jim) that is a father he has the kind of spirit I wish I had “I’d hang em if I could get my hand on em”
Pauline did such a commendable job... Bless her
Lalana also is a here for finding justice to her mom
I've seen this story on a bunch of different shows. I'm glad Lalana got justice for her mom.
I can relate. Its been 33 years since My Mum's "Supposed" suicide. TBH I'm scared of what I may find out.
Lalana your mom is so proud of you for not believing the lies told and not giving up on her. You are a good daughter. Bless you.
No one should ever go through that, especially children.
May their mum R.I.P
Thank you. I’m so happy that her children finally got some closure, and that monster can’t hurt them anymore.
Nothing like a new crime show story while I work
thats cool im doing that too!
I'll work for you❤
We will always support this channel. They're the best at crafting analyses worth watching after.
Paternal grandad: "he doesn't deserve to breathe air!" You tell him gramps
You tell these 😂stories so respectfully. I feel awful for Marlene, children and family.
Rip angel 🕊🌹🍂 Sending prayers.
Thank you for this upload.
God bless 👑🙏🕊💜💜💜
Marlene, Llelana, the step mom Pauline, and the grandfather, and the handyman are all heroes! There are some people in this world that are absolute evil, and that man is one of them. I’m so glad Justice was finally served to him, and I pray it has brought Marlene’s children closure.
And Donald, didn’t mean to forget to put him with the list of heroes in this story.
I'm so glad the stepmom believed the kids and didn't hesitate to do something for the kids, and then the killers father. I feel bad for him, but as feisty as he still is, I know he can't believe he raised such a heartless bastard, and he wants something done about it.
You do a great job with your videos, extremely well rounded and respectful. Thanks, man
Thank god for the decent people in this case who went against this man. His dad, the step mum and lalana who didn't give up on her mum, even with all the lies
The stepmom saved the kids and Bill's dad helped deliver justice and he didn't let the fact that it was his son stop him, he was shocked that someone he raised could be such a monster. Thank goodness the family has received closer and got justice for Marlene.
You guys really know how to cover a case incredibly well. The titles are catchy and pique one’s interest without being empty click bait. Subscribed for quality content ❤
BEST channel!!'these video's is are well done and the shorter length is perfect, I can watch 3 in the time it takes others to tell one story full of filler for length, and so I always choose this channel for my true crime fix!!! thanks for the uploads!!!
It only takes one bad apple. If you took Bill out of the equation they would have been a great FAMILY. Blll's dad openly showed his disgust over his son's behavior. It seems their grandmother stepped up when dad went to jail. There are multiple heroes in this story but one nasty villain held everyone hostage for years .
Bills dad is awesome! He definitely helped solve this case too! This is 1 story the stepmom was actually a good woman for turning him in too. What a story! Sucks so much the kids had to grow up without their mama tho 😥😥 Lelanas determination was amazing!
Your videos are absolutely amazing! You are definitely 1 of my Favorites! 💞
I never understand the 'good behaviour' thing, he hurt his kids, keep him locked up. It anger me that the police knew he was hurting them and did nothing, they should have found something to get him, not just leave them to be hurt
Breaks my heart for this girl. Worst and very depressing way to be raised in a violent household. She is very strong. Her Dad was a devil.
A family of warriors against a psychopath. Every one of them fought him as hard as they could - even his own father. Grandpa was awesome and Lalana is a testament to her mother’s love. They’re all amazing. Their stepmom is equally heroic.
I really like your videos. They’re not an hour long, they’re full of so much info, and they are 100% advocating for the victims. Me gusta
I was first exposed to this case when I saw the tail-end of the Forensic Files episode on my parents’ old, ‘80s-era TV in our basement. I was only about ten at the time, but Marlene’s beautiful smile lingered in my memories, along with the fact that she was the victim of mariticide. I have the utmost respect for LaLana and the investigators who helped close the case.
The grandad is a legend for what he said and did!! Hope he and lalana are proud for what they did
The stepmom and the children are so brave. GOD bless them. And RIP Marlene.
Wow Bill is the spitting image of his Dad! 😮 But his Dad is freaking awesome! That chuckle when they got him was sheer gold 😂
I feel sorry for the paternal grandad as well for his having to acknowledge he raised a monster. Kudos Lalana's children and to the stepmother for believing them. They are all heroes. RIP lovely lady.
The siblings look so much like each other & both look very much like their mom espacily when they smile & /or grin! They are so strong & brave, her brother for finding the courage to tell their step-mom.
everyone in those children's life were amazing people, the Stepmother and Grandfather are real heroes
Amazing mom, deserves all the praise in the world.
Really? She caught her husband smexually abusing her children, stayed with him for another year, and then was literally in the process of leaving her children and driving off to leave him when he killed her. Are u nuts ?
Wow those poor children had to live with a monster & had to call him dad! My heart brakes for children who are abused in any way!
Thankyou for giving us another true crime story. Good job.
How can any parent abuse their children??? Animals have more love and compassion for their young then abusive human being parents do.
It's sickening. As any mentally-healthy parent can attest, they would do anything to protect their children, including take a bullet for them. We wouldn't hesitate even a split second to protect our children. It's beyond baffling (and utterly heart-breaking) to know there are 'parents' out there who actively bring harm to their children.
I know… I recently read about the dad that executed his 3 young boys (all under 10) in their back yard and I felt so sick. I gave my son a big hug after I picked him up from school. I can’t fathom hurting my son 😢 But there are parents out there that would.
Satan. They have Satan living inside.
Animals can abandon their children too. Some kill them. Hate this argument
@@willmurphy6498 so don’t make it!!🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Well done little girl. You and your brother.
I really wish i would have not found your channel until TODAY.... Because I've watched EVERY episode, and want MORE!!!! lol GREAT JOB! 😋
I, of all people, understand how hard you work....
What an fine man the killer's father was- to stand for justice. God help all involved in getting this done.
Several heroes here. First off of course the daughter. Second the stepmom for believing the kids right away and taking action. Third to Peepaw. He closed the damn case with a phone call. So many people came together to finally get Justice for these children and their mother 💙💚
Watching tonight ❤❤❤❤ always makes me cry as a man and that helps so much thank you unseen we appreciate ur videos
I love that you can say openly that you are a man and you cry over these videos! We as a society need to get over the idea that men shouldn’t cry. Personally, the more emotionally available and open a man is the sexier they are. Crying is good for the soul! ❤
@@ash_tray A THOUSAND PERCENT RIGHT!! YOU STOLE THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH. "I'LL KEEP SPREADING THE WORD/LOVE." 🇺🇸🙏❤️ THANK YOUU
Well told story. 😢 Thank you, unseen.
I love his dad. So many family members of criminals either help hide or defend them. Deplorable
I always get a little more excited when i get a notification you've got a new video out, than i do my other subscriptions.! Yours are more like a tv documentary and are so well put together. Im just watching on my tablet as i cook our tea. Loking forward to it! 😊. You deserve many more subs! And im sure youll get them. Thanks unseen! ❤ from the UK 🥰
And the worlds best daughter award goes to…. joking aside, Lalana is incredible and a truly incredible person, she never gave up and that’s amazing 👏👏👏
Bro this case is such a whiplash in a good and bad way like let’s start with the praise cause wow the step-mom!, the dad of the killer! The “children”! They’re all such great examples of humanity but WHAT their maternal grandmother knew her Child was murdered by their father but never said anything? Im confused what is grandmas deal did she mean that she always knew she was dead but couldn’t do anything please this be the case because that’s so tragic
Great channel, much appreciated 🕺
This is a rare case where nobody protected the villain. Everyone wanted justice.
RIH Marlene Oakes 🕊️
I love the stepmom, amazing woman that helped break the circle of horror.
In what world is it more suspicious an affair partner reports a woman missing after 2 days, than her husband whom she lives with/Dad of her 2 small kids _not_ reporting her missing??
The police failures here are nothing short of criminal. I’m truly in awe of the survivors Lalana & Donald. Their story in several ways reminds me of Collier Landry.
I wish Lalana and Donald nothing but happiness, peace, love, joy, and a feeling of safety & belonging the rest of their lives.
You note general police failures, yet fail to actually denote any of them.
It came over in the video as though the police pretty much thought he did it and he was the primary suspect, but they couldn't prosecute the murder because no evidence and not knowing if she was actually murdered.
I still think they could have interviewed the son based on the abuse mentioned in the diary, at least getting the children away from the father.
But it's unlikely he could have been convicted for murder at that time.
This is a really tragic case and it’s really sad one as well within the victims.
So proud of Lalana for continuing to fight for truth and justice for her mother! I’m so sorry that she and Donald didn’t get to grow up with their mom. I’m also very proud of Pauline for doing the right thing for those kids when Donald told her everything.