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Song of the Day: Time by Pink Floyd
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Thank you. You laid this out well. Slowly and I enjoy the simple details you point out to each grade
I do have a mint condition record. A orginal 1980 pressing unopened soundtrack to one of the greatest movies ever.....The Empire Strikes Back
Brand new video, so I'll share a word on Jarrett's impact on my record craze. Thanks to you, Jarrett, I've recently got into spinning that vinyl!
I started off easy, playing my dad's collection of over 100 records on his old Fonica turntable (very popular brand back in 80's Poland). Then, I decided to buy my first own player, so I went with an LP60X, and got myself some deadmau5 records off Discogs. Now, my humble collection has 9 records, but it is going to be increasing every now and then.
Thanks again, Jarrett!
Sometimes you have to take a chance on buying vinyl because I’ve brought a record with no visible marks and plays awful and had some with scuffs and minor scratches that played very well. So I find grading quite difficult but if it’s a good price I normally take a chance and buy it.
7:58 In fact, a sealed record could be worse because the shrink-wrap can, well, shrink and squeeze the record and warp it. VWestlife showed this a couple of weeks ago in the video "Don't keep your vinyl records sealed!" 😕
I totally get why record sales companies would avoid using the word "mint." I'm a car valeter (detailer for our US cousins) and there's one term I ALWAYS avoid when talking to a client. The term is: "showroom condition" which denotes "brand new" or "flawless." As a valeter, I can't ever get a USED vehicle back to "showroom condition" so the term I use is "forecourt condition" (by which, I mean "as good as your car's gonna get!") I'm also a record collector, and have been since 1973. I take obsessive care of my thousands of records, but I'm a former mobile dj, and I know, that amongst the thousands, I only have ONE "MINT" record. Its Oasis' "D'u Know What I Mean" which is still in its cellowrap. Unopened, unplayed... perfect.
Yeah and I come from the dj community of the 80’s through 2003 and most djs trashed their records from constant playing gigs and practicing how to Mix at home. But I never dj’d and just collected the records and the ones I still have look brand new still. So I’m back after 20 years and trying to learn the new way of collecting records and how to grade them bc in the last few weeks I already bought about 50 12” and everyone puts VG+ or higher. But you get a range of different condition and trying to understand the new grading standard. Back in the days, when you sold or bought records from used record stores, it would be in NM condition or they wouldn’t take. That’s what I hoping to find in this vintage record collecting that’s going on here.
They sold like used record store have 2 grade, like new and used with cosmetic wear. This way you know what your getting, like from a used record store .
I never knew this, thanks for the education brother
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According to the liner notes for a King Oliver CD I have, a record of "Zulu's Ball" and "Workingman Blues" was found in 2001 after being thought lost forever. And just as the film prints of the Second Doctor classic _The Tomb of the Cybermen_ returned to the BBC in 1992 had seen better days*, so those two jazz tracks show mildly lower audio quality than the other tracks on the disc, I gather that in both the case of the film prints and the record the loss of quality was due to the ravages of time?
* Still watchable, so the story--long thought lost--was released on VHS as soon as possible, though a DVD feature comparing the VHS and DVD releases highlights the work of the Doctor Who Restoration Team on the DVD releases.
Hi Jarret, thank you very much for your very informative reports about vinyl records, speakers, turntables and other accessories. continued success in your channel ! Stay healthy, wishing you all the best from Germany !
I don't like that records can be graded "Good" and still have surface noise and/or scratches that affect the playing. I think a grade of Mild should be in-between Good and Poor. Your video cleared up an experience I had using Discogs and I appreciate the breakdown, thank you!
There is a "Fair" grading between Good and Poor which generally indicates the record will play but can stick or skip in spots. If a record plays through without stopping then the lowest you should grade it is "Good" according to Goldmine. Dumb, but that's the system that everyone signed up for. Discogs even gives you a warning when you buy a "Good" record. I think that's proof the system makes no sense but whatever.
You forgot “Fair”. These records are usually scratched, may play okay but skip a few times, and sound more crackly than others. So essentially worse than “good” but not as bad as poor
Fair = Poor according to the video.
Discogs, which also uses the Goldmine standard, has another category between "Good" and "Very Good" called "Good +"
@@lmaoroflcopterok I see 5:50 now :) I think I meant to say “acceptable” which also counts as a grading
Great video. I once bought a Zorba the Greek soundtrack that was sealed. When I got it home and opened it the first track had a huge scratch on it. I felt that I couldn't take it back as they'd say I'd scratched it when I played it. If I'm buying 2nd hand I now know to avoid sealed records.
And shrink wrap gets tighter over time. I bought a copy of Steely Dan's "Prtezel Logic" unopened and it was warped. Luckily, it was still playable.
oh i really wish sellers to apply to those definitions
Please do a video on how to read the deadwax and determine the pressing plant. Thanks.
Yes shrink wrapped records can be damaged do to warped. I once bought a 45 with the labels on backwards.
Song of the day, More Than A Feeling - Boston
I've been collecting vinyl records since August. I really enjoy your videos. You've helped me so much so I joined the membership as my appreciation. Greetings from Hungary, Budapest!
Hi Jarrett. When i want to buy a record, I first look on Ebay to see if it is available. I usually look for "very good plus" or higher. When i receive the record, i check the surface for any visible marks. The next step is to thoroughly clean the record using a power cleaner (mold remover), record cleaning fluid, and a vacuum record dryer. Next i use a record preservative to harden the groove wall for about 200 plays. Then i play the record to check for any excessive surface noise. If there is, i repeat the cleaning process.
VG++ and NM are my go too gradings
Bought a record that said VG. Side A had the center label double pressed covering the grooves. Side B played great though so they were'nt completely wrong.
I picked up the Eagles Greatest Hits recently. Desert island record for me. This was the package that had both Volume 1 and Volume II in the same packaging. Oddly, Volume II was in Volume I's sleeve and vice versa.
Watching this because my housekeeper knocked over my ENTIRE collection, and they all have smashed cover corners now… even my still wrapped ones.
thank you so much for this!! just about to buy something but saw one was vg++ and the other vg.
New content. Loving it! You could probably also make a series of videos highlighting some of your favorite records and why they're most amazing on vinyl! (Or something like that)
war pigs by black sabbath, my favourite song and i bought the album paranoid as my first vinyl!
I scored a VG copy of Led Zeppelin’s Physical Graffiti and VG+ of Blondie’s Eat to the Beat with a flawless poster still inside. They’re some of my most prized records
I'd also like to mention the case where it is possibly a rare pressing and you'd never know until it's opened, most people wouldn't take the chance spending the extra money when it's possibly just a normal press. So most of the time vinyls "in shrink but opened" fetch a lot more than "unopened" ones.
Wwestlife made a good video about how a sealed record can be warped precisely because of the shrink wrap.
Exactly... as a collector, I mostly steer clear of sealed LP's that are over 40 or 50 years old... because as you say, there's a good chance the vinyl is warped after being confined for so long. I'd rather buy vinyl that I can see...
I absolutely love the grading process I think it works very well. I don’t buy records if it’s scratched or warped at all I don’t like those. I only have one album which is really good a double album called vintage Duane eddy by the great guitar player Dwayne Eddie released on vinyl. The record is in very good condition although one edge of the record jacket is frayed on the edges which I don’t like that’s the only minor complaint and I think not I love buying records that are in mint condition which is really good that’s what I go for when I shop for vinyl or even CDs or even cassettes even. thank you Jared for sharing this this really helps me out a lot I love buying vinyl and I always well even the vinyl box sets.
Dear Jarrett,
the thing when a sealed record isn´t perfect reminds me of something that happened to me a few years ago.
I bought a sealed reissue from Iron Maiden Brave new world as 2 LP. The first record ran perfect but the second was so warped that the stylus jumped all over the record.
I contacted the seller and one week later i got a new sealed copy in really Mint condition.
Something like this is really heartbreaking for our passion.
I hope this will never happen to you so you can keep spinning your vinyl.
Best regards
Adam
Adam, I've had the same problem with older records that were still sealed. Decades are often unkind to shrink wrap.
@@ka-pop2243 Yeah, i´ve also bought a ealed record from 1984 a few years ago. The inlay is crumpled-up and the record is warped but the stylus runs without any problem.
The funniest thing is the seller wrote new unplayed copy from old stock / sealed. The record was sealed so i expected a new vinyl as hell. But the most important part is, that vinyl runs without any problem.
@@adamokon358 I bought two sealed Stryper LPs (separately), In God We Trust and To Hell With The Devil, from the 80s. Both were slightly warped but, fortunately, both also track just fine.
@@ka-pop2243 That´s good to hear. Never heard of this band before but i made an audio sample and must say, very nice songs. Maybe one day at least this two records will find a place in my collection. Thank you for the hint. If you want to know the sealed record i bought back then was from the band Spinal Tap. The reord is called This Is Spinal Tap.
@@adamokon358 In God We Trust is not altogether indicative of their style; it's a bit more pop-ish. The Yellow & Black Attack (original 6 song EP), Soldiers Under Command, and Against The Law, in addition to the aforementioned To Hell With The Devil, are GREAT Stryper albums. They also have newer releases with quite a few good songs but the ones I named are the classics.
A friend of mine refers to bad records as having "vinyl cancer" and has to do extensive chores to try and make the record playable. If you buy a record for a dollar or to, you can probably expect some "cancer", but you get what you pay for.
Thanks for the video! I think there are a lot of sellers out there that don't know the difference between VG and NM... specially on Discogs. I've been burned a couple of times because I couldn't see photos of the actual item I was buying before hand. I mostly stick to ebay when buying resell items now.
Good video!
From my experience, grading is all a matter of opinion with the seller. Idk how many times I've bought something off Discogs that says NM+/M, and it not be... so the grading scale isn't perfect, but most of the time, it's pretty close..
As a buyer I just assume NM is VG+ in almost all cases because sellers are always overly optimistic.
@@TheAboriginal1 of course! They wanna make that sale!
I just bought Prince - the Hits poster & Issac Hayes Joy album on vinyl at the Atlanta record show altogether for 12 bucks.....😁
I just got a seald record from Barnes and Noble the other day and it was pretty warped already. Luckily they let me exchange it for another copy.
i use SS[ABOVE m] means Still Sealed, EX also is used [more or less means VG++]. Drill hole means DELETION HOLE .
Always wondered if a self cleaned but brand new record is still Mint.
But whatever, I think sometimes it's hard to grade a record.
I recently bought a 1988 original pressing of Metallica's "...And Justice For All" and after cleaning it played so damn good, it played better than some new records I have in my collection. But the viniyl had some light scratches and obvious signs of wear, despite of playing great and clear.
The sleeve was in my opinion a Very Good+ (after cleaning it).
Nah definitely not Mint if you're putting it through a clean cycle. You can get away with different grades for different music though. AC/DC NM, VG+, and VG all sound the same. Very different when applying that to a piano recital though where the passages are extremely quiet.
Once bought a new record and there was a second label on the grooves. Only time that ever happened to me. I did get a replacement, though. So all's good.
There's also with older records from the 50's 60's that have the label printed with a large circle and a small circle. I find that the pressing with the small circle are a better quality. Furthermore on MGM Stereo LP's some pressings have a 45/45 on the right side of the label. That stopped in late 1963..i've never seen any other label that did this.
So… been collecting now a decent while, and I still find occasionally I come across a new thing… and here we are again. What is ring wear exactly? Edge scuffing from a wedding ring and suchlike or something entirely different? Keep the vids coming chief, genuinely an educational experience everytime. 🤘🏻🇬🇧
Ringwear is on the jacket and is an inverse indentation from records being too tightly packed together on a shelf. There are examples on Google.
I love the song of the day 🤘🏼.
I used to sell on eBay I used to hate grading records.
I always try to get Mint condition when I can. Worth the money
Irregardless of the condition of the jacket, after washing as long as the vinyl plays and plays well that is to be cherished. Especially vinl from the 60's And 70's
Song of the day - On the surreal by Hello Meteor
Most of my records are mint, near-mint and very good plus. Good for me!
My favourite part of your video was learning how to pronounce Jim’s last name properly. Thanks!
I would be very weary and careful when buying a sealed record. Very often, the seal will shrink over time beyond the initial seal dimensions and cause pressure to be applied to the record inside.. and causing it to warp. It's very common. I stick to VG to VG+ records for my own collection.
Know any workaround to keep records sealed? I just purchased some records sealed and brand spanking new and I’m storing them for 40+ years. What’s the best way to go about that without mishandling?
Song of the day: “BFG Division” by Mick Gordon. Mick needs our support now more than ever
Ohh god...I really need to see some informations like this! Thanks for all @Vinyl Eyezz
Song of the day: "In The End" by Linkin Park
"EX" is my favorite grading... like nearly NM. .oh, and i always prefer buying EX or NM copies than Sealed ones, due to the warp issue or even pressing flaws, not check-able before.
EX is technically not in the Goldmine scale but I know what you mean. There's a big different between VG+ and NM and it should be EX or I've seen VG++ also but neither of those are technically a real grading.
@@TheAboriginal1 yeah, you are right. But i use EX for many years. It just gives a better info, that goldmine dont have in that grading field (would just make sense, if they would add it)... and i dont care about a "real" grading, as long as people know what to expext when a wax was graded,.. and to fine tune that grading.🙂✌️
@@indyvinylz agreed! The Goldmine scale is very antiquated. I wish it would get a 21st century update
Your video is very helpful, thank you 😊!
😊 thank you for sharing valuable information!!
Jarrett more videos! Also Song of the Day: "Like a Surgeon" by Weird Al
Can you do a video of the "Little Golden Records" label?
song of the day suggestion: Weird Fishes/Arpeggi - Radiohead
I do have an original release cracked record The Who Live AT Leeds (with documents) it has a 1/2 inch fracture as well as a ugly chipped gap at the edge of the disc but with careful needle placement I can still get good sound with slight popping from that crack that the needle rides over, but the rest of the record is in otherwise good to very good condition,. similar to my otherwise near mint 1970 pressing of Elton John self titled with the first 10 seconds of the opening hit song Holy Moses being obliterated by a vintage cigarette burn while cueing up the needle back in the day.
Song of the day - Picture Of My Life by Jamiroquai
My guide: if it’s in one piece, playable. if it’s broken, it’s not.
10/10, would follow this advice again
Even if we buy NM vinyl records there are still bits of surface noise when we place the cartridge on the surface of the revolving records.
I still have a Kenny Roger’s record which is in poor condition. The record was part of the freebie when I purchased Madonna’s You Can Dance Disco version record.😅😂
Don't trust DIscogs grades. I bought a NM Album, only to find that it was a dogs chew toy. could be a mistake? But, yeah............
That’s why I usually ask for pictures of the record I want from the seller
Turnpike by ram jam
And also can you help me find a cassette it’s called portrait of a young artist as a ram by ram jam on cassette, instead is released on cassette, 8track, and vinyl. I’ve been trying to find the cassette version for years please help if you can, thank you
I bought a brand-new R. Kelly record which is a new press, and it still was warped.
Great video sir !!
I've gotten brand new sealed records in the mail with heavy scuff marks like the size of my fist running up them. It didn't actually affect the play but you can see it in certain light. I would never call anything Mint. I've only bought 3 used records from Discogs and all of them were great though my copy of Zombie had a big corner crease aside from being labeled Near Mint which I let pass but would have classified it lower. Out of all the brand new records I own a lot of them have some sort of very minor flaw at least.
I don't think warps should be categorized into VG+
Song of the day Santana - Oye Como Va
I've bought probably a few hundred records over Discogs/Ebay so I'll share what I've learned.
1. I don't even buy a record without a description. Just saying it's "NM-" isn't enough. I want to hear how it's "shiny" and looks "unplayed." Feel free to message them and ask for more details on its condition.
2. I wouldn't even consider buying a record lower than VG+ if you're looking for something decent to play. NM- is basically perfect; VG+ only has slight issues but should play well; after that it's kind of a crapshoot IMO.
3. When someone says "VG++" that means they must know what VG+ and NM- are in order to grade a record between them. I would trust this record to be very nice.
4. I tend to trust Japanese sellers a bit more in describing Japanese pressings. Records in Japan were too expensive for normal folks so they were taken better care of.
5. And of course look at the seller's feedback. If they have a habit of overgrading, and you know your standards are high, then you may want to look somewhere else. Also, I'm weary when a seller has like a thousand records graded at NM- or M (not new) and a hundred graded VG+/VG. It means they are probably overgrading.
Good luck!
This is a silly question but what’s the black/purple album in the background on the wall? It looks interesting to me
I have a copy of REM Automatic for the People from Spain I think, It's labels on the record are wrong. Side 1 is actually side 2 ironically.
I just recently watched a video from another channel that showed a vintage album still in its original plastic that the plastic wrap actually shrunk over the years and bent the sleeve and I think warped the record too. Not sure if it's okay to mention the channel so I didn't.
My experience is that sellers overgrade their records by 1 grade on average. So when a record is advertised as NM, I expect it to be VG+, and I don't buy records advertised worse than VG+ because they won't be any better than G, which imho sounds worse than mp3s or online streams.
All true. "Good" is such a silly grade when the reality is a record can sound like rice krispies but if it plays through it is "Good". I have "Good" records that are fine and listenable and then "Good" records that makes me tear my hair out after 1 track. Seems silly for all that to be under 1 grade.
Song of the day: bat country by avenged sevenfold
Btw love your videos!!
Great video. Mint is a very dangerous word to use. I don't think I've ever seen a perfect vinyl ever.
Song of the day: Parabola by Tool from their 2001 album Lateralus.
Cool video thanks
Song of the Day, Rain - The Beatles 👍
My question is nm or nm- copies you can’t play them or the grade goes down? If so, how would you know if something is nm or nm- if you don’t play it and check if they play right? If collectors have NM or NM-, they can’t play it or the grade goes down? Sounds too strict and reminds me of collecting comic books in the70’s when I was a kid and I couldn’t even open to read my mint comics bc I was afraid to damage them.
Anyway, your video was helpful.
Oh and can you switch covers on original pressing or is that a no no?! Bc of the pressing date or that doesn’t matter bc it’s more about the record that’s indicated by the vinyl? I buy many dance 12”s and most came with generic label logos or a generic black cover and switching the cover to make a more perfect copy doesn’t seem to matter. In fact, when I buy them recently, I don’t try to check any code or anything and assumed that’s the original cover it originally came with,
Thanks for helping!
Song of the day: jethro tull- thick as a brick part 1
A good record dealer's return policy is worth more than a rating category in my opinion. I like to know that the expected variations in quality within a grade will be in my favor if it comes time to return something. I play everything I buy, and I have a FLAC for pretty much anything I'm interested in already. Online, I have no problem if a dealer wants to make their money on shipping, because I'm not paying extra for inflated grades. I'd rather buy from a ruthlessly honest grader than someone who says everything is VG+ or near mint. Near mint is for when I NEVER want to buy another copy, and VG+ is for when I'm tired of looking. Everything else, I'm paying for the mystery of wondering what path it took over the decades to get to my store.
Song of the day: vicinity of obscenity by system of a down
Cool Cat - Queen
Oh boy, new video!
Lovin’ Touchin’ Squeezin’ - Journey
Song of the day is always something mainstream and well known. However going to suggest this as song of the day. Helluri by Pochonbo Electronic Ensemble.
where would signed covers fit into this if they are signed by the band?
From my experience I've seen the grading vg++ quite often. I am not an audiophile by any means. And I never want to be. It sounds stressful and expensive. That being said I try to only buy the vg++ or better but I have found that most of the time vg+ is good enough for me. Due to the differences in people's interpretation of condition I have received some Vg+ records that were really not good. I try to stay away from them if possible. Thanks for your videos. I really enjoy them.
Yup most sellers just go by looks without actually listening. Just bought a VG+ last week and even after Record Doctor it sticks on 2!! separate tracks. According to Goldmine that should be Fair or even Poor.
Song of the day: telegraph road - Dire Straits
Song of the day Heartaches by All bowlly
While a Crosley cruiser is bad, are other crosley products good with a anti skate and everything a audio technica lp 120 has?
The only use I can think of poor records are for testing on older, more novelty based record players (like the sound burger ow wondergram) Most in my collection are good or very good, although my beach boys one for just £3 surprisingly has almost no scratches or surface noise.
Honestly, it just what I expect. I usually buy my records at a car boot sale or something where people sell a bit of their collection for quite a cheap price. Not that it matters, as i’m not that much of an enthuast and you probably couldn’t tell a difference from my lp-60 hooked up to a philips micro hifi.
that went long fast
Great video buddy 💯🙏🙏
Although I try to buy only brand-new (mint) LPs, sometimes a title I want isn't produced anymore, so I have to find it used. I will only buy (near mint) LPs, since that description - according to Goldmine - isn't really open to interpretation: The vinyl must be flawless. I've bought several (near mint) LPs from eBay, and I've not been disappointed. eBay is a great source because the sellers are fastidious about their reputation "score" and usually won't risk a bad review. The LPs I've bought look brand-new, and some can be a real bargain.
I purchased 5 vinyl records on Amazon, I had to return 3, all of them warped. I ended buying the CD version instead.
I don't even like Vinyl (I prefer CD) yet I watch this guy's videos, and that says something hehehe
What about a record listed as nm but has skips and crackles. So weary from sellers over stating condition.
I wish Discogs used the EX grade, as well.
I had a new sealed copy of Metallica black and it had a factory fault where 1 track instead of having groves it was flat and shiny and the stylus just slid straight over into the next track , so no being sealed doesn't make a record mint or even near mint .